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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: Today at 08:12:40 AM »
‘Donald Trump barred Jeffrey Epstein from his beach club for hitting on teenage girl’

"Donald Trump reportedly kicked Epstein out of his Mar-A-Lago beach club for harassing a teenage girl

Yeah! Harassing teenage girls is Trump’s job

He just came strolling right in,” Dixon said. “There was no second to put a robe on or any sort of clothing or anything. Some girls were topless. Others girls were naked. Our first introduction to him was when we were at the dress rehearsal and half-naked changing into our bikinis.”
Dixon went on to say that employees of the Miss Universe Organization encouraged the contestants to lavish Trump with attention when he came in. “To have the owner come waltzing in, when we’re naked, or half-naked, in a very physically vulnerable position and then to have the pressure of the people that worked for him telling us to go fawn all over him, go walk up to him, talk to him, get his attention…”
The Trump campaign did not offer a response to either story, but in a 2005 appearance on Howard Stern’s show, Trump bragged about doing exactly what the women describe. “I’ll go backstage before a show, and everyone’s getting dressed and ready and everything else,” he said.
His position as the pageant’s owner entitled him to that kind of access, Trump explained, seemingly aware that what he was doing made the women uncomfortable. “You know, no men are anywhere. And I’m allowed to go in because I’m the owner of the pageant. And therefore I’m inspecting it… Is everyone OK? You know, they’re standing there with no clothes. And you see these incredible-looking women. And so I sort of get away with things like that,” he said.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: January 15, 2021, 09:06:39 PM »
Tell me why I should trust Rasmussen instead of Pewresearch?  Rasmussen doesn't publish their data sets or methods, Pewresearch publishes both.
I mean, this is the trouble these days.
You can always find a source which backs up what you want to believe. Tom rails against certain sources and their left wing bias...but is happy to cite biased right wing sources which back him up. He’s not uniquely guilty of this. We all have our biases. Increasingly it seems like people just want a news source which tells them what they want to hear, they don’t care if it’s true or not. Witness how Trump supporters who have been lapping up FOX for the last 4 years have scurried off to NewsMax or OANN when even FOX weren’t extreme enough to go along with Trump’s bullshit over the last couple of months.

Trump is a symptom of this, not the cause.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: January 15, 2021, 08:40:40 PM »

How would it be self defence?

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: January 15, 2021, 08:53:59 AM »
Fuck going through this again in 4 years time.

What are you going through? You don't even live in America or are an American.
It’s strange how people who live in a country which they believe to be the best (lol, no) and most powerful (yes) country in the world don’t understand that goings on in America affect other countries. Other people have expanded on that. Couple of other things I’d add
The Paris Climate agreement withdrawal concerns me as does Trump’s general refusal to understand or believe in climate change science. I saw a video recently where concerns about climate change were related to him and he just said “don’t worry, it’ll get cooler”. Just like he said “don’t worry, it’ll go away, like a miracle” about Covid. He seems to think him just saying stuff like that will make it happen which it demonstrably doesn’t.
Then there was the time that Trump and Kim Jong Un were conducting international diplomacy via a Twitter flame war “lol, ur old”, “ur fat!”. I wish I was exaggerating but that was pretty much how it went down. Two toddlers with nuclear buttons. Terrifying.

But you know what, even if there was no impact on other countries. Just generally I don’t like to see the US tearing itself apart like this. The divisions have grown under Trump and he has been there all along pouring petrol on the flames.

I think you’re giving them too much credit if you think there was a plan. Emphasis on the “a”. I’m sure some of them had plans but I don’t believe for one minute there was a single coordinated plan. As I said elsewhere they were like a load of kids running around “playing revolution”. I’m sure a lot of them thought they were going to take back the country, hang the “traitors” and install Trump as President for life or something. I don’t think any of them had the faintest clue how to actually achieve that.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: January 14, 2021, 04:50:35 PM »
Singer of the National Anthem at the Inauguration

2013 Obama: Beyoncé
2017 Trump: 16-year-old former American Idol contestant Jackie Evancho
2021 Biden: Lady Gaga


Petty, I know, but it amused me.

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Suggestion
« on: January 14, 2021, 10:20:54 AM »
Wow. That is by some distance the most useful post you've ever made on here.

Suggestion cheerfully retracted. As you were.

Suggestions & Concerns / Suggestion
« on: January 14, 2021, 09:54:48 AM »
So I tell you what annoys me about this place. Well, one thing...  ;D
When you make a post it returns you to the index of the board you're posting in, not the thread you just posted in.
Now maybe this is just me and I know there's a preview option but after I've posted I generally like to read it back through to check it.
So...personally I'd prefer it if after you've posted it went to the thread you've posted in.
But maybe everyone else checks before they post in which case...fine. It's not the most important thing.
Just my 2 cents.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes
« on: January 13, 2021, 09:32:08 PM »

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: January 13, 2021, 09:30:23 PM »
He’s going to be impeached, clearly.
But only 10 Republicans voted for it which is a bit disappointing.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: January 13, 2021, 05:45:54 PM »
If it prohibits a 2024 run, I am all for it.  Asking for the 25th Amendment to be invoked appears to be the more brazenly political move.
Agreed. From what I’ve seen they’d be on shaky ground invoking Article 25 anyway. But there’s definitely grounds for impeachment and if it stops him running in 4 years time then great. Fuck going through this again in 4 years time.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: January 13, 2021, 04:25:47 PM »
Looks like Trump is about to be impeached for a second time. Impressive.
Only time that's happened in US history, no?
He's nothing if not unique.

It’s a fair cop, guv.
Although the second one was obviously a joke.
But fine, I’ll behave.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes
« on: January 12, 2021, 09:42:22 AM »

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes
« on: January 12, 2021, 09:13:47 AM »

I think that's giving them a bit too much credit.
Let me try to rephrase, since I don't think we actually disagree:

The mastermind behind the whole situation unleashed a bunch of useful idiots on the Capitol, and while that was going down, a small handful of people who aren't completely mindless could have easily walked in among the crowd and done a lot of good covert work. Since the date and location were planned, and floor plans were exchanged well in advance of the event (they weren't even really hiding it), it speaks to reason that SOME of them were organised.
Interesting. Certainly plausible.

Let's not forget that virtually every computer in the Capitol has to be assumed compromised, every room thoroughly scanned for bugs, etc. It's not as exciting for TV to talk about, but this whole thing was a perfect distraction for malicious actors; very likely the whole point of the "protest".
I think that's giving them a bit too much credit.
It was a coup in the same way that your 6 year old is definitely leaving home and you find them at the nearest intersection because they're not allowed to cross the road on their own. They're mostly a load of kids running around causing mischief. Adult kids, but still.
Some of them probably had pretentions of something more sinister but it doesn't feel like there was any real plan or co-ordination behind it.

There’s no doubt that in some of their minds it was a revolution. Trouble is, as Tom shows on here daily, they are mostly sadly deluded and inept.

Aren’t you, Elizabeth?

(Invited in. Lolz)

So the end result was a load of people running around inside the building with no real plan. Rather nicely summed up by the dude who came armed with a taser, hid it in his trousers and ended up tasing himself in the balls repeatedly while trying to steal a painting and ended up having a heart attack and dying.

They were revolutionaries in the same way that FErs are “scientists”. They come across more like a bunch of kids “playing revolution”. Some of them want to have one but none of them have the faintest clue how to do it.

In brief:

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