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Re: Trump
« Reply #13260 on: July 01, 2025, 06:00:49 PM »
Is it just me, or does anyone else think that whoever bought a copy of The Art Of The Deal should demand a refund?
He didn’t even write it.
Fairly likely he’s never read it.

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« Reply #13261 on: July 01, 2025, 08:52:35 PM »
Trump has never been a good businessman. He just played one on TV. It really can't be overstated how integral The Apprentice and its false portrayal of Trump as this universally-respected titan of commerce and icon of success was to the rehabilitation of Trump's public image. In the eighties and nineties, everyone knew that Trump was a joke. And nothing changed about him - they just made a TV show saying no, Trump is actually awesome, and inexplicably, tens of millions of Americans believed them.
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« Reply #13262 on: July 02, 2025, 04:13:43 AM »
It's fairly absurd by any measure to claim that a billionaire is not a good businessman. Even the claim that he received a jumpstart through millions from his father just means that both Trump and his father are good business men.
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« Reply #13263 on: July 02, 2025, 06:15:45 AM »
It's fairly absurd by any measure to claim that a billionaire is not a good businessman. Even the claim that he received a jumpstart through millions from his father just means that both Trump and his father are good business men.
His father?  Yes.
But you'd be amazed how far you can get riding on someone else's coat tails.
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« Reply #13264 on: July 02, 2025, 08:40:45 AM »
It's fairly absurd by any measure to claim that a billionaire is not a good businessman. Even the claim that he received a jumpstart through millions from his father just means that both Trump and his father are good business men.
His father?  Yes.
But you'd be amazed how far you can get riding on someone else's coat tails.
Indeed

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2016/live-updates/general-election/real-time-fact-checking-and-analysis-of-the-final-2016-presidential-debate/fact-check-trumps-claim-that-he-built-his-company-with-1-million-loan/
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« Reply #13265 on: July 02, 2025, 12:22:13 PM »

It's fairly absurd by any measure to claim that a billionaire is not a good businessman. Even the claim that he received a jumpstart through millions from his father just means that both Trump and his father are good business men.

You know, Sam Bankman-Fried was a billionaire. Now he's in prison.

Trump inherited a vast fortune and it was all gone before he was 50 years old. By his sixties, he had so many bankruptcies that the American financial industry wouldn't do business with him anymore. He gets his credit from Europe and currently Deutsche Bank holds the 'pink slip' to Mar A Lago. 90% of the businesses with his name on it have failed. Let's not forget Trump’s $TRUMP token, down by 80%.

This patently false idea that Trump is some super savvy businessman is one of the myths that keeps him popular with his Appalachian, sub-normal supporters and the idiots that invest in his scams.

BTW: Billionaires fail all the time.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/savingandinvesting/eight-billionaires-from-around-the-world-who-have-gone-broke/ar-AA1Edo8j







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« Reply #13266 on: July 03, 2025, 08:23:25 PM »
Welp, it passes the house without issue.

So Trump got what he wanted.

I'd day good luck America but honestly?  I hope you reap what you sow and if it's bad (it will be), you all suffer and know it's your own fault.
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« Reply #13267 on: July 03, 2025, 09:59:42 PM »
It doesn't matter. Trump's voters won't learn any lessons from this. They'll just blame Biden or Obama for all the negative consequences
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« Reply #13268 on: July 03, 2025, 10:12:59 PM »
what lessons are there to learn?

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« Reply #13269 on: July 03, 2025, 10:37:40 PM »
what lessons are there to learn?

Like: Rural hospitals really really really need medicare money to keep the doors open.
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« Reply #13270 on: July 03, 2025, 11:54:42 PM »
what lessons are there to learn?

That the politicians who championed and supported this bill can't be trusted to protect the interests of their constituents and therefore should be voted out would be an obvious one.
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« Reply #13271 on: July 04, 2025, 05:23:09 AM »
Welp, it passes the house without issue.

So Trump got what he wanted.

I'd day good luck America but honestly?  I hope you reap what you sow and if it's bad (it will be), you all suffer and know it's your own fault.
It’ll be fine. It only affects the poor and the vulnerable and fuck those guys, amirite?
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« Reply #13272 on: July 04, 2025, 03:35:27 PM »
what lessons are there to learn?

That the politicians who championed and supported this bill can't be trusted to protect the interests of their constituents and therefore should be voted out would be an obvious one.

my goodness, you have solved politics. get the nyt and time to post huge stories about this...

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« Reply #13273 on: July 04, 2025, 10:32:53 PM »
...you're the one who apparently needed to have it explained to you. ::)
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« Reply #13274 on: July 05, 2025, 04:12:43 PM »
...you're the one who apparently needed to have it explained to you. ::)

i did, especially by the sadman. i am educated now. thank you, and thanks for fixing politics.

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« Reply #13275 on: July 05, 2025, 06:42:56 PM »
nice debate
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« Reply #13276 on: July 06, 2025, 02:18:13 PM »
Musk's 3rd political party will fail so massively that anyone looking directly at the blast without eye protection will be permanently blinded by the flash.

However, it will be a success for America as it siphons percentage points away from Trump's base of preppers, Appalachian sub-normals, incels and aspiring post-Soviet oligarchs. It could fracture the freak coalition.


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Re: Trump
« Reply #13277 on: July 06, 2025, 04:10:35 PM »
no you don't get it, this is just a manufactured feud to get the democrats to release the epstein files or whatever
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« Reply #13278 on: July 06, 2025, 07:22:08 PM »
It is Democrats who are extremely dissatisfied with their party, not Republicans. This is why you guys claim "I'm not really a Democrat" or "I'm not really a liberal" and claim some kind of moderate stance despite your leftist values and voting history. In contrast, Republicans and conservatives are generally satisfied with their labels and don't put distance between their party and themselves in this way.

Elon still has some credence as a leftist leader. His right wing antics are generally being characterized as a crazy phase of life and excuses are already being made for him. In time he will be forgiven by the left.

Recall that he already attempted to divide the Democrats  when he first switched over with numerous tweets of direct reason and convincing. His goal with this new party and the manufactured division is clearly to divide the Democrats in a more subtle way, claiming to be a moderate alternative.

Again, it is the Democrats who have been calling for a moderate alternative to their party, not the Republicans, showing us the truth on what this really is.
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« Reply #13279 on: July 06, 2025, 08:43:01 PM »
I partly agree with Tom - Democrats are deeply dissatisfied with their party and eager for something new. It's ludicrous to suggest they want something more moderate or centrist when the leadership of the party is firmly in the camp of Clinton-era centrism, the more progressive voices within the party are always kept at arms length despite their popularity, and all three of its last presidential candidates ran as centrists. The idea that Democrats are just way too left-wing is a cynical strategy from conservatives to try and get them to move right, at which point they too move right and continue to insist that the Democrats need to move right, thereby moving the Overton window right as well. There isn't a single person in the world who would vote Democratic if only the party were slightly less leftist. Anyone like that is already voting Republican. I also don't believe that Elon was ever especially liked or admired by the left. I've only ever heard conservatives make that claim, not leftists, and there doesn't seem to be any good evidence backing it up beyond the fact that Elon sells electric vehicles. I don't know who you're claiming is trying to rehabilitate his reputation, but even if Elon were making an effort to backtrack from his right-wing politics and reinvent himself as a progressive (and a quick glance at his Twitter will show that he very much is not), I don't see any reason why progressive voters would suddenly forgive him for helping Trump get reelected and then butchering the federal government so that he could make more money.

We might learn some lessons from the recent victory of Zohran Mamdani over Andrew Cuomo in the Democratic mayoral primary of New York. Democratic voters made their priorities clear by supporting Mamdami's strongly progressive policies over Cuomo's business-as-usual centrism, and also by rejecting Cuomo, who, unlike Elon, had previously been well-liked by Democrats until he resigned as governor in the wake of a sexual scandal. That's two strikes against Elon - Democratic voters want progressive policies, not even more centrism, and they're not interested in giving multiple chances to people disgraced by scandal. Oh, but I will agree with you that Republican voters are content with what they have. Trump has shown us repeatedly what kind of person he is, and Republicans are unanimously okay with it. They wouldn't hire him, work for him, hang out with him, lend money to him, or leave their girlfriend alone with him for five minutes - but they will vote for him. In the face of that kind of solidarity, Elon trying to win over his voters is a ridiculous idea, but as I've said before, Elon is nowhere near as smart as he and his followers think he is.
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