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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Where is Google Maps wrong?

« on: January 20, 2022, 04:19:30 PM »

Satellites above a flat accelerating upwards earth would not be practical.  A big supply of fuel would be necessary to keep them accelerating upwards to maintain a constant distance above the earth.  Extremely basic physics.  I would also think that all that burning fuel would distort pictures taken thru the hot exhaust gases.

Didn't you say this before? FET hypothesises that the earth itself shields the force which makes UA...A. That's why we don't accelerate upwards too - well, we do, but we're pushed upwards by the earth - which creates the effect which RE calls gravity.
But that shield only works up to a certain altitude which is why the earth doesn't accelerate into the stars, they are also being accelerated upwards. So if you could get a satellite into that region then it would be accelerated up along with the earth.
There are bunch of other problems, presumably you'd still need fuel to keep the satellite orbiting.
And of course there would have to be a big conspiracy amongst all the countries who launch satellites who claim that they're doing so based on all the maths to make this work on a RE. Which was kinda my point in my post which kicked this conversation off. We have a load of satellite data and photos from space. The image I posted would be extremely difficult to fake. The FE response to satellites confuses me in general. Some just shout "fake!" and run away, but this quality and quantity of data would be next to impossible to fake, and they have no actual evidence of that. Pete's response seems to be that satellites are possible on a FE but I'm not clear how that would work.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Where is Google Maps wrong?

« on: January 19, 2022, 04:38:42 PM »

I don't see what this has to do with Google Maps

Well, it doesn't really but it's an example of how we are able to map the earth accurately with the help of orbiting satellites. I wasn't sure it deserved its own thread.

the FE "take" on electromagnetic acceleration doesn't change. You are viewing the image under the assumption that electromagnetic waves travel in straight lines, but they do not.

I'm not sure how that's relevant. This is a composite of photos claimed to come from an orbiting satellite - so it would be looking straight down. What's EA got to do with it?

Of course, the composite nature of the image does weaken your case (look at you, you even felt the need to defensively twitch at how it "doesn't equal fake"!) since you can compose them any way you'd like.

Well sure. I said the "!= fake" because it's a FE claim I've seen a lot (more outside here than on here, to be fair). It's a weak claim though, any panorama you take is a composite, that doesn't mean you're not actually looking at the object you're taking photos of.

I guess the point of this thread - and the reason I put this in here - is that we have very accurate maps of the whole earth. In part because of a lot of surveying but now because we have orbiting satellites which can take photos with impressive resolution. One such satellite is claimed to have taken the photos which make up this composite. A common FE claim is that this is all fake - although I'd suggest that faking a map of the whole of the UK to this resolution would be a very difficult thing to do. From other threads you've indicated you don't see a contradiction between FE and orbiting satellites but I'm never clear how you square (globe?!) that circle.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Where is Google Maps wrong?

« on: January 19, 2022, 03:48:30 PM »

I saw this today which I thought was interesting

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-60044065

Amazing image of the whole of the UK, taken from a satellite using radar - so not subject to clouds etc. It's a composite (remember, kids, composite != fake), the full image is something like 2Gb and you can see quite small scale features on it.

Be interested to hear a FE take on this.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: The Great Reset: Aftermath

« on: January 19, 2022, 11:10:16 AM »

The real way to go is to not have a nation of people so poorly educated that you have to resort to using "bish, bash, bosh" as your main means of communication, but that's gonna take a while.

But if Boris did that, he'd be putting himself out of a job.

He might be soon anyway the way things are going.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: The Great Reset: Aftermath

« on: January 18, 2022, 10:36:21 PM »

Holy shit, we actually agree on something. I, too, hate that slogan and I, too, think it should be "sort it".

No.
Because that surely implies that you are going to “sort it”. Surely the slogan is saying that by saying it, it will be sorted (out).
I think the slogan is…fine. I don’t love it, but it doesn’t make me froth at the mouth.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Experiment to Distinguish FE from RE

« on: January 18, 2022, 04:05:25 PM »

What experiments could one do in order to distinguish FE from RE?

You're going to find that question impossible to answer.  The reason being evidenced by just what you listed:

Well, that's why I asked the question.
One of my frustrations with FE is they seem to simultaneously claim that observations demonstrate a FE, but then hypothesise mechanisms which they claim produce equivalent effects to a globe (the page about EA pretty much makes this claim).
Hence the question, what experiment could we do - and have they done - which discriminate between the two models.

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Flat Earth Theory / Experiment to Distinguish FE from RE

« on: January 18, 2022, 01:16:47 PM »

What experiments could one do in order to distinguish FE from RE?

I would suggest that objects sinking below the horizon, the distance (and angle dip) to the horizon increasing with altitude are observations which we all agree on.
That could be explained by us living on a globe - objects disappear over the curve, as you ascend you see further over the curve. But these observations could equally be explained by EA on a flat earth.

I think we can all agree that objects fall. That could be explained by mass attracting mass, but it could equally be explained by UA.

Ah, but the weight of things, and therefore the force of gravity, varies by latitude (and in other ways) in a measurable way. That could be explained by a spinning globe, the centrifugal force being greater nearer the equator where you are spinning faster. Other variations can be explained by the mass of the earth not being distributed perfectly uniformly.
But it could also be explained by Celestial Gravitation causing local variations.

RET has explanations for all the above. If FET has hypothesised mechanisms which also explain them then what experiment can we do to help us determine the true shape of the earth?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: January 17, 2022, 07:58:38 PM »

UK clinic tells woman not to take any more vaccines, claims that new safety data spells bad news.

Have you alerted Donald Trump so he can stop spreading the dangerous misinformation that the vaccine is safe and effective?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: January 16, 2022, 09:43:09 PM »

And by the way ... covid isn't dangerous. This stupid shit about it being lethal ... its only lethal if a cold is lethal to you.

This continues to be a lie.
I never understand why some people seem to think that simply repeating something which isn’t true somehow makes it true.

This is how I feel about it. Novak isn't about to die. None of his competitors are about to die of covid either. None of the spectators will die. The only people who would die are house bound or hospitalised and unable to go attending tennis matches with large numbers of people because all kinds of diseases would kill them. Its such a lie that covid is just an indiscriminate lottery that could hit anyone like a bolt of lightning. Like any disease, it only picks off the weakest ... ergo those not out at tennis matches enjoying themselves.

I don’t particularly disagree with any of that. And I think Australia’s rules are bullshit, as is the assertion that Djokovic is a danger to anyone. But come on, dude, this isn’t just a common cold - although Omicron is admittedly much milder than the original (and still the best) Covid, which is part of the reason why we aren’t all in lockdown now like we were this time last year.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: January 16, 2022, 09:15:38 PM »

It’s not irrelevant what Trump says because a large number of people may act on his words.

Correct, but Kangaroony is right that Trump has no medical qualifications to pontificate about this.

What’s funny is watching Trump fans, who hang on his every word, spend all year falling in to anti vax conspiracy theory rabbit holes and then trying to reconcile that with Trump’s clear pro vaccine stance.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: January 16, 2022, 08:53:37 PM »

And by the way ... covid isn't dangerous. This stupid shit about it being lethal ... its only lethal if a cold is lethal to you.

This continues to be a lie.
I never understand why some people seem to think that simply repeating something which isn’t true somehow makes it true.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: January 16, 2022, 03:17:09 PM »

Aside from driving, depending on age, none of those are things young and healthy people shouldn't do.

Irrelevant.

Considering that this is perhaps the fifth time you brought up your conversation with an ICU doctor you once had as your source of knowledge we can safely dismiss you.

Why? Because he’s not saying what you want?

I know it’s on brand of you to dismiss sources which don’t back up what you want to believe, but why is this ICU’s doctor’s experience not valid? He’s been on the front line of this. You haven’t, nor have I.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Britain's Pedo Prince

« on: January 14, 2022, 05:00:11 PM »

I'd like to see Gates face charges. Gates isn't dumb. Gates is wicked.

I'm sure you have excellent evidence of that.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Britain's Pedo Prince

« on: January 14, 2022, 04:31:24 PM »

It doesn't matter if it was out of stupidity or because he's a bond villain.

It absolutely does. The stupid can learn from making mistakes. Bond villains will actively pose a threat to others in the future. My guess is that Andrew has already learned his lesson. Again, he's dumb, not wicked.

I dunno.
I think people have had enough of the rich and powerful being able to do what they want without consequence.
One could argue that loss of reputation is a consequence, but he's still living a life of luxury.
I don't think it's a bad idea to send a message that they aren't above the law (even though often they are).

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Britain's Pedo Prince

« on: January 14, 2022, 04:20:25 PM »

^ This post illustrates my point exactly. You start from the own fantasy of your imagination and dismiss the case based on that. That’s how children act.

The point I'm making is 'Is Andrew evil, or is he just stupid?'. My feeling is that he is stupid, but he is facing the charges of someone who is evil. He acts out of poor decision making, not out of malice. In society we don't punish the stupid. We punish the evil. I think his lawyers can build a case around these kinds of premises.

I'm not a million miles away from disagreeing with you, but you're saying he shouldn't be charged.
If he did something illegal and there's good evidence of that then of course he should be charged.
It doesn't matter if it was out of stupidity or because he's a bond villain.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Britain's Pedo Prince

« on: January 14, 2022, 03:47:44 PM »

your worth.

Also, of course Thork is being Thorky.
But he's not a million miles off here. Calling Andrew a pedo is harsh.
But he absolutely should be charged.

No-one in the UK cares much about Andrew.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: January 14, 2022, 10:53:16 AM »

Actually if you watch the video I linked earlier Trump appears to agree with the host that there are risks with the vaccine

Of course there are.
But only in the same way that there are risks taking aspirin, or virtually any medicine.
There are risks in driving.
Or crossing the street.
There is virtually no risk free activity in life.

Are you pretending that you and Trump agree about the vaccine? Your rhetoric has been to highlight the risks, to overstate them, to say how experimental it is, to doubt it's efficacy.
Trump has consistently urged people to get the vaccine, said it's safe and effective.

The trouble for Trump is he is taking credit for Operation Warpspeed, so of course he has to take credit for the vaccine (I think he is justified in taking credit, for the record).
Unfortunately his devoted followers are prone to conspiracy theories and a mistrust of the mainstream. Which has worked pretty well for him in believing his lies about election fraud, but it also means they're believing lots of lies about the vaccine too. So it's a bit of a dilemma for Trump. He wants to take credit for something but in doing so he alienates his own fanbase.

Your reaction is interesting, you seem to be attempting to square the circle and claim that you and Trump are aligned when you're clearly contradicting each other. #OrwellWasRight #DoubleThink

I think that Covid is essentially just the flu

Then you are wrong. How did we end up in a world where people believe that stuff like this is a matter of opinion?
Covid has a significantly higher mortality rate than seasonal flu at every age range. The ICU doctor I spoke to last summer told me that the previous winter his unit was full of people in a way he'd never seen before and many of who died. And he told me that many of the people in his unit were relatively young, people in their 40s and 50s. This is not just the seasonal flu.
That said, I do think some have over-stated the risk for young people. There's a sensible middle ground between "we all need to hide under our beds" and "it's just the flu, nothing to worry about".

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: January 14, 2022, 09:37:59 AM »

Holy shit, Australia, will you make your mind up?!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-59991762

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: January 13, 2022, 02:37:30 PM »

I dont care that Trump says some things in favor of the vaccine.

Why not?
You keep posting about how experimental it is, how dangerous it could be, how ineffective it is. And here’s Trump saying the vaccine is safe and effective and recommending people have it. Isn’t that dangerous advice? Or are you wrong?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: January 13, 2022, 01:17:00 PM »

Why are you conflating being pro-vaccine with vaccine mandates?
Trump has been very clear that he believes the vaccine is effective and he has encouraged people to get vaccinated.
He's also been clear that it's up to the individual whether they get vaccinated, so he's not pro vaccine mandates.
That is not a contradiction and it's pretty much my position too.