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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: November 08, 2024, 03:58:42 PM »

Rushy in "providing no evidence for his claims and dismissing all evidence which shows him to be wrong" shock exclusive!

Me: the government is lying
You: here is the government saying they are not lying
Me: they obviously would not tell you they are lying
You: haha no evidence!

 

You're saying the government is lying in a way which:
a) Would be very noticeable in the country and
b) Makes no sense

You said "those missing 15 million Democrat votes aren't people that decided to stay home, they're dead. They took the vaccine and it killed them".
15 million people is close to 5% of the US population. It's close to 1 in 20 people in the country. Are these additional deaths? Presumably people are still dying from other causes. A jump in the number of people dying - that's significantly more people than died in the pandemic - would be obvious and easy to evidence.
Secondly, you understand it wasn't just Democrats who got vaccinated - 58% of Republicans were vaccinated too.
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/for-covid-19-vaccinations-party-affiliation-matters-more-than-race-and-ethnicity/
Did none of them die?

Again I call in to question how you arrive at beliefs. It seems to be whatever pops in to your head.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: November 08, 2024, 02:39:20 PM »

Those missing 15 million Democrat votes aren't people that decided to stay home, they're dead. They took the vaccine and it killed them.

Which is impressive given that's more than the total number of people who have died in the US since the vaccine was available.

Oh no, you mean to tell me the government that gave millions of people a deadly injection would also lie about the numbers of deaths that have occurred?

Rushy in "providing no evidence for his claims and dismissing all evidence which shows him to be wrong" shock exclusive!

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: November 08, 2024, 02:18:38 PM »

Those missing 15 million Democrat votes aren't people that decided to stay home, they're dead. They took the vaccine and it killed them.

Which is impressive given that's more than the total number of people who have died in the US since the vaccine was available.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: November 08, 2024, 02:11:10 PM »

This was addressed in many of the cofeve threads.

The supposed "excess deaths," were coming anyway. During the years 1945 - 1962, more people were born than at any prior time in recorded history.

Oh right, so over 16 years there was a rise in births and that led to a one off spike in 2020 did it?
There's a clear rising trend of deaths - as you'd expect in an ageing population. But a clear spike in 2020 when Covid hit.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/195920/number-of-deaths-in-the-united-states-since-1990/
But if you think your "brilliant" hypothesis has any merit then feel free to point me at some actual experts who agree with you.
Tumbleweeds.

Not once during the entirety of the plandemic were you ever offering any sort of alternative, rational approach instead of what was done.

They should have locked down earlier and harder. By the time they did lock down it was too late - because of Trump repeatedly insisting it was under control and would all go away. And they should have done more to protect the vulnerable while giving more freedom to people who were at less risk. There.

Now, stop derailing the thread. The point is Trump was a bloody awful president.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/20/presidents-ranking-trump-biden-list
But gas and groceries were cheaper under him so you voted him back in. Silly you!

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: November 08, 2024, 10:16:55 AM »

Then it should be no surprise that she lost.

I'm not surprised she lost. I am a bit surprised at how badly she lost

Hold on there, you believe it was serious. People in general do not.

You may be right, but it doesn't matter what you believe. The data shows it was a serious situation which required a response.


The data above is all deaths so even if you think deaths were being misattributed to Covid, something was causing a lot of extra deaths - and we saw that in the UK too.
I wonder if the issue is that when people think of a pandemic they think of films like 28 Days Later. I agree it wasn't a "holy shit we're all going to die" thing. For most young healthy people it wasn't that big a deal. The issue is in the West we have a lot of old and/or unhealthy people. There don't have to be piles of bodies in the street for it to be a situation which requires a response. My view is that Trump made a hash of it, as did our government.

The real reason for your leftist error, of course, is that you value feelings over rational thought.

I'm not a leftist. I'm fairly centrist. And it's ironic you say I value feelings over rational thought when my opinion is based on data and yours is based on a vague feeling of "well, most people didn't die so what was the fuss about?"

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: November 07, 2024, 06:44:12 PM »

all he had to do was say he would and all the other stuff he does just doesn't matter to people.

Wow, that's all you have to do to get voted into presidency?

In the scenario when people think things are going to shit and blame the current government for that it goes a long way.

Kamala also said she would fix things

Yes, but she is part of the current administration which people believe have caused their problems.

With Trump we can look back and see that the country was in a better state.

Well that’s debatable.
I don’t think he handled Covid well - repeatedly denying the seriousness of it and saying it was all under control. I disagree with a lot of his positions on climate change and immigration. But sure, “gas” was cheaper, groceries were cheaper. Those are things which affect people day to day.
My take is the inflation has been caused in part by the hangover from the pandemic and the situation in Ukraine, I don’t think its all been because of the Democrats and I’m not convinced Trump will fix it. But I’d be the first to admit I’m no expert on economics so I guess we’ll see.

I hope he does a good job, no one wins out of it being a complete shit show.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: November 07, 2024, 04:56:34 PM »

I thought this was interesting. A good explanation in why all the mud slinging from the Democrats was ineffective.
Obviously Trump was doing that too, but the bottom line is people aren't happy with how things are going, they blame the Democrats and will elect anyone who says they'll make things better. I'm not convinced he will, but all he had to do was say he would and all the other stuff he does just doesn't matter to people.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: November 06, 2024, 08:06:23 PM »

The rest are bot votes fed via the machines.

Ah yes, but this is one of your claims and those don't require evidence. I'm catching on now. 

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: November 06, 2024, 07:00:01 PM »

In 2020 he lost of course

That's a funny way of saying "in 2020 it was easier to print fake ballots and drop them off".

Your opinion is definitely to be taken seriously.

Not that any of this matters. Harris owns all the voting machines. The steal is already in, folks. It's over for Trump.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: November 06, 2024, 06:42:20 PM »

The consequences being: MAGA style politics is now socially acceptable and encouraged because it works and will for a decade or two.

Does it work, though? Has it ever worked?

He has won 2 elections but both times it has been more about the alternative being even worse, or perceived as such. Starmer won over here because he wasn’t the Tories. Almost no one was enthused about him, but people just wanted change.

In 2016 it was more of an “anyone but Hillary” vote. In 2020 he lost of course, no matter how hard he pretends he didn’t. This time the economy was the big issue. Which is actually doing quite well but people don’t feel that because of the cost of living stuff. Which is mostly caused by bigger events like the pandemic hangover and Ukraine. But it’s easy for Trump to say “things were a lot cheaper when I was in charge”. Which is true of course.

I think Trump is a bit of a one off, I don’t think anyone could imitate his style even if they wanted to.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: November 06, 2024, 06:33:07 PM »

Many on Reddit are beginning to say it doesn't matter and that you should stop crying

That Reddit quote is the sort of hilarious cope you were posting 4 years ago. The difference is Harris is an actual grown up who will make a concession speech, not a man sized toddler who will keep stamping their feet and shouting NOT FAIR! when they lose

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: November 06, 2024, 02:19:44 PM »

Perhaps in retrospect the Democrats can admit running a candidate who couldn't make it a few months in their primary was a bad idea.

What was the other option though when Biden was so clearly unfit for office?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: November 06, 2024, 02:18:47 PM »

Please provide the number of primary votes received by the Democratic nominee for US President in 2024.

I don't understand the US system but the Democratic nominee for US President in 2024 stood aside. I am presuming the Democrats then followed whatever process exists to select a new one. You may think that's an undemocratic process - I would probably agree, as I said there are similar ones here where people can vote for, say, Tony Blair as Prime Minister and then get Gordon Brown. The argument goes you don't vote for a PM so the party with the most MPs can change leader at any point. Which is all true, but there's no doubt that the leader of each party at the time of an election is a big factor in how people vote here.
But anyway, people still had a free choice between Harris and Trump - which is actually better than what I described in the UK where the leader of the ruling party can be replaced after an election and you then have a PM which no-one voted for.

What's your actual issue here? You weren't going to vote for Biden, you didn't vote for Harris.

PS: In the future, I believe it would be best for you and the rest to stop pretending. You are getting exactly what you want in terms of destabilization of the US constitutional republic.

I don't even know what any of that is supposed to mean.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: November 06, 2024, 01:22:09 PM »

If anything, the replacement of Biden with Harris (and the willingness of the US populace to allow such a thing to even occur) was the death knell for free and fair elections in the US. The entire process is stripped, naked, and shown to be a farce.

How so?

I mean, I'd vaguely agree with the farce part - your system of democracy is pretty poor, as is ours in the UK. But you had a free and fair choice yesterday and you made your choice. You got it wrong of course, because people are idiots, but that's a separate discussion.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: November 06, 2024, 12:53:38 PM »

Kamala was not able to outperform Sleepy Joe in a single county. It seems that your side made a huge mistake

What was the mistake, replacing Biden?
I don't think so, if that's what you mean. You're comparing Biden in 2020 with Harris in 2024. What we can't know is how would Biden in 2024 have done compared with Biden in 2020. And my gut feeling, given Biden's mental state, is he would have fared even worse than Harris has. Obviously impossible to know for sure. The Democrats did the only thing they could reasonably do after that car crash debate.

Trump won in the US for the same reason Starmer did over here - people are pissed off with how things are going and want change.
Trump isn't going to fix their problems of course, he just had to say he would and that was enough.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: November 06, 2024, 12:01:59 PM »

Surely yesterday's events kill off any prospect of him running in 2024. Maybe as an independent but surely the Republicans wouldn't touch him again?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: November 06, 2024, 09:40:46 AM »

Putin's forces unimpeded in eastern Europe would most definitely be 'wild shit'.

Mmm. That could be...interesting.
I'm going to file this under "nothing I can do about it so I guess we'll just see how it all pans out"

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: November 06, 2024, 09:24:30 AM »

Oh, yeah, wild shit is about to go down one way or another. I dunno if it'll be martial law, but we mostly agree

Will it, though?
I mean, I'm weary of Trump's endless bullshit and pretty much hate everything he stands for.
But he was president before and the world didn't explode.
The difference this time is the Republicans have pretty much swept the board and Trump is more ready for power - I don't think he seriously expected to win in 2016. So...I dunno, my gut feeling is things won't be as bad as I fear they could be. Nothing we can do about it though so strap yourselves in. Scream if you want to go fas....actually, just scream.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Democracy Is Overrated

« on: November 06, 2024, 07:54:31 AM »

Told ya!

There should be a test…

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024

« on: November 06, 2024, 07:13:47 AM »

This election would be ridiculously close had Harris and her goons not already programmed the voting machines. It's going to be a blowout for Comrade Harris.

This has aged very well