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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes
« on: July 31, 2021, 09:50:38 PM »







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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: July 30, 2021, 08:38:39 PM »
That article Tom linked to says doctors are “feeling pressured”, but never does it even quote a single doctor who is feeling this way. It is just asserted and Tom is drinking it up.

The doctor cited says that the way of counting deaths are vague and misleading, result in wrong numbers, and is concerned about the situation. If an authority is giving you instructions to do something, you are being pressured to do it.

If your manager wants you to do something, and you are concerned about it, you are being pressured to do it by definition.

Quote from: Dr Van Nostrand
Ok Tom,   I'll ask you the same question I asked Wuhan80.

If all these numbers are fake and everyone is lying, how will you ever know if a real pandemic hits.

Probably when people other than the elderly and chronically ill are actually dying and these memes aren't possible:



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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: July 30, 2021, 07:40:04 PM »
The White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator during the start of the Coronavirus pandemic said it herself that they were doing things differently.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/04/08/dr_birx_unlike_some_countries_if_someone_dies_with_covid-19_we_are_counting_that_as_a_covid-19_death.html

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Dr. Birx: Unlike Some Countries, "If Someone Dies With COVID-19 We Are Counting That As A COVID-19 Death"

Here's the official CDC guidance on how to report Covid deaths:

Reporting and Coding Deaths Due to COVID-19
This page provides guidance and resources for reporting deaths due to COVID-19 on death certificates. When COVID-19 is determined to be a cause of death, it is important that it be reported on the death certificate to accurately assess the effects of this pandemic and appropriately direct public health response.

Everything you want to know about how Covid deaths should be reported on death certificates. Seems quite standard. Here's the longer PDF with the details from the link above:

Your quote just says "a" cause of death. They want it to be reported even if it's not the main cause of death.

Doctors are saying that they are being pressured by authorities to do things differently, even if Covid is not detected at all:

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/doctors-and-clinical-researchers-challenge-uns-who-cdc-and-dr-faucis

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COVID doctors challenge CDC's rules on cause of death, concerned about inflated numbers

Frontline COVID-19 doctors this week have gone public saying they feel pressured to show COVID-19 as cause-of-death on certificates of patients suspected of having the virus when they also have had underlying medical conditions.

Dr. Jonathan Fishbein, a clinical researcher, says the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Disease and the World Health Organization have issued “vague if not misguided recommendations that unfortunately have been adopted by national, state and local leaders.”

“It is absolutely critical that we have accurate data to support decision-makers,” he also told Just the News. “If the data in our assessments included patients who have not definitively tested positive for COVID-19, that provides misleading information to policy-makers.

In cases of pandemics or epidemics, world organizations set the cause-of-death guidelines to create a uniformity among countries and related, international health agencies.

It is not unusual for the CDC, in conjunction with WHO, to add new codes when a new disease appears.

But it is unusual when there is a new disease and a patient dies and the cause of their death may be their underlying condition like diabetes or congestive heart failure and the doctors are pressured to report the cause of death as COVID-19 instead.

Such reporting could result in inaccurately inflating the number of virus-related deaths and hurt those drafting public health policy for future pandemics or epidemics.

The above article states that:

- Doctors are feeling pressured to report deaths as Covid
- There is a central world authority on how deaths are reported during pandemics

Quote from: stack
So pretty much every government on the planet is engaged in "enacting fear and tyranny to enact policies and consolidate power"?

They do get together and work on shared goals and policies. There are a consolidation of world leaders who are part of the World Economic Forum who have publicly stated on their website that they want to use Coronavirus as an opportunity to push their "Great Reset" of capitalism. We talked about that already.

But you still haven't explained why we need to change the nature of capitalism because of Covid. The last time this was asked you just ran away from the discussion. Care to explain?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: July 30, 2021, 06:09:42 PM »
The White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator during the start of the Coronavirus pandemic said it herself that they were doing things differently.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/04/08/dr_birx_unlike_some_countries_if_someone_dies_with_covid-19_we_are_counting_that_as_a_covid-19_death.html

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Dr. Birx: Unlike Some Countries, "If Someone Dies With COVID-19 We Are Counting That As A COVID-19 Death"

At Tuesday's White House coronavirus press conference, task force member Dr. Deborah Birx said that while some countries are reporting coronavirus fatality numbers differently, in the U.S. you are counted as a victim of the pandemic if you die while testing positive for the virus, even if something else causes your death.

DR. DEBORAH BIRX: "So, I think in this country we've taken a very liberal approach to mortality. And I think the reporting here has been pretty straightforward over the last five to six weeks. Prior to that when there wasn't testing in January and February that's a very different situation and unknown.

There are other countries that if you had a preexisting condition and let's say the virus caused you to go to the ICU and then have a heart or kidney problem some countries are recording as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death. Right now we are still recording it and we will I mean the great thing about having forms that come in and a form that has the ability to market as COVID-19 infection the intent is right now that those if someone dies with COVID-19 we are counting that as a COVID-19 death."

Illinois Department of Public Health said they count the same way:

https://week.com/2020/04/20/idph-director-explains-how-covid-deaths-are-classified/

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IDPH Director explains how Covid deaths are classified

Still, the department's Director, Dr. Ngozi Ezike used part of her time during Sunday's health briefing to explain how the department determines if a death is related to Coronavirus.

Essentially, Dr. Ezike explained that anyone who passes away after testing positive for the virus is included in that category.

"If you were in hospice and had already been given a few weeks to live, and then you also were found to have COVID, that would be counted as a COVID death. It means technically even if you died of a clear alternate cause, but you had COVID at the same time, it's still listed as a COVID death. So, everyone who's listed as a COVID death doesn't mean that that was the cause of the death, but they had COVID at the time of the death." Dr. Ezike outlined.

She reiterated Illinois health officials will continue to work vigorously to protect the state's most vulnerable populations.

Lots of quotes and examples here:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/as-u-s-coronavirus-death-toll-mounts-so-does-the-belief-it-is-exaggerated

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“I think a lot of clinicians are putting that condition (COVID-19) on death certificates when it might not be accurate because they died with coronavirus and not of coronavirus,” Macomb County, Mich., Chief Medical Examiner Daniel Spitz in an interview with the Ann Arbor News last month.

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Colorado counted a man who a county coroner said died of acute alcohol poisoning as a COVID-19 death.

Montezuma County Coroner George Deavers told the Durango Herald the man’s blood-alcohol level was 0.55, or almost seven times the legal driving limit of 0.08 in Colorado. A BAC of 0.3 is considered lethal.

“COVID was not listed on the death certificate as the cause of death,” Deavers said, the paper reported Wednesday. “I disagree with the state for listing it as a COVID death, and will be discussing it with them this week.”

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News reports have identified the man as Sebastian Yellow, 35, and reported that he was found dead by police May 4.

The Montezuma County Public Health Department also was refusing to report Yellow's death as a COVID-19 death. “The state is reporting that death as a COVID death, but our health department wanted to let people know that even though the person did have the virus, they did not die from it,” the agency said.

In response to a request for comment about Yellow’s death, the Colorado Department of Health told KCNC-TV that it classifies a death as confirmed when there is a positive SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) laboratory test.


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Last month, the same agency reclassified three deaths at a Centennial nursing home as COVID-19 deaths, challenging the findings of attending physicians who ruled the deaths were unrelated to the virus.

The deaths occurred at Someren Glen, where four other residents died of COVID-19. The state has now recorded all seven deaths as COVID-19 deaths.

“We have never seen a situation where the health department overrules a physician’s findings,” Tim Rogers, the facility’s executive director, told KCNC. “However, these are unprecedented times and the health department official did not share their motivation for changing physician’s orders.”

A health department spokesman told the station of those deaths that the agency was following CDC guidance.

“When a person with a lab-confirmed case of COVID-19 dies, their death is automatically counted as a COVID-19 death unless there is another cause that completely rules out COVID-19, such as a fatal physical injury,” the spokesman said. “A pre-existing illness would not rule out COVID-19.”

The last health department claims that they are not recording physical injuries as Covid Deaths, but they are clearly recording almost any death that could be biological in nature as a Covid Death.

“We have never seen a situation where the health department overrules a physician’s findings” - The state is overruling dissenting physician findings and reclassifying deaths as Covid. Never done before. Certainly a motive there.

Quote from: stack
Around the entire planet? For what purpose? As in what motive, gain, and for whom?

The government has drummed up fear in the past to enact its policies, consolidate power, and get funding for things like war.

Governments enacting fear and tyranny to enact policies and consolidate power. Like that has never happened before.  ::)

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: July 30, 2021, 02:46:21 PM »
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Are you saying that there is wide-scale fraud where the attending physicians who complete death certificates are falsifying the documents all across the country, around the globe?

They're just doing what they are told to do.

The same death counting tactic is happening in Australia too: https://theconversation.com/died-from-or-died-with-covid-19-we-need-a-transparent-approach-to-counting-coronavirus-deaths-145438

Why adopt an entirely new death counting method for this disease if not to pump up the numbers for media hype? If they really and honestly changed the method to "track community spread" they would clearly disclaim that the death toll numbers are inaccurate as compared to other diseases and out of line to how deaths have been tracked in the past and seek to provide a realistic estimate. Rather, the inflated numbers are being used to spread fear.

I find that it is more likely that this is being done for a dishonest reason by the world authorities.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: July 30, 2021, 01:54:33 PM »
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/27/upshot/coronavirus-deaths-new-york-city.html

Did you bother reading your link? It says that there was a general increase in deaths, that weren't attributed to coronavirus.

Which agrees with this:

https://www.kxl.com/study-shows-increase-in-non-covid-deaths-during-pandemic/

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(Portland, OR) — Health officials say there was an increase in deaths from non-COVID-19 related conditions during the pandemic. A Providence Health study found unplanned hospitalizations were cut up to 50-percent while deaths increased 20-percent. People held off going to hospitals for heart issues, strokes and care for chronic conditions due to fear they’d get COVID-19. Doctors say people need to know that medical clinics, hospitals, and emergency rooms are safe places to get medical care.

People were afraid of going to the hospital means that there were excess deaths.

The Coronavirus death toll, as we know, is inflated with a new method of counting deaths for this disease:

https://www.kgw.com/article/news/investigations/questions-over-the-accuracy-of-how-the-state-tracks-covid-deaths/283-0b1b7b6c-695e-4313-92cf-a4cfd7510721

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So what does that policy mean in practice? We asked Modie about a hypothetical case where someone died from a motorcycle crash and also had COVID-19. Would that be counted as a COVID-19 death?

“It would be,” Modie explained. “But I must go back to the point about how we used this data, which is to help us track how COVID-19 is spread in the community.”

Did they count people who died in a motorcycle accident with asymptomatic or symptomatic flu as a flu death in years previous? No. This is an entirely new death counting method.

You guys still are not addressing or accounting for this. You are just repeating "higher death counts" and ignoring that the numbers are inflated and manipulated.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Cavendish experiment
« on: July 28, 2021, 07:32:21 PM »
If you are trying to measure the weight of a feather with a crude pair of scales outside during a slight breeze, and the view of the feather was obscured, it's difficult to say whether there is actually a feather on the scale. The feather-scale analogy is the analogy the astrophysicist at Futurism gave.

In the Cavendish Experiment it's trying to measure the force equivalent of the weight of a few cells. Very slight. If they can't target that, it's difficult to say what it's measuring at all.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: July 28, 2021, 05:04:47 PM »
In this very thread AATW showed excess death increases and how they correspond with increases in coronavirus infections. Perhaps you need to follow along more carefully because you look to be having comprehension issues.

And those Covid-death numbers are inflated, as pointed out by Action80 and myself:

https://www.kgw.com/article/news/investigations/questions-over-the-accuracy-of-how-the-state-tracks-covid-deaths/283-0b1b7b6c-695e-4313-92cf-a4cfd7510721

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So what does that policy mean in practice? We asked Modie about a hypothetical case where someone died from a motorcycle crash and also had COVID-19. Would that be counted as a COVID-19 death?

“It would be,” Modie explained. “But I must go back to the point about how we used this data, which is to help us track how COVID-19 is spread in the community.”

Did they count people who died in a motorcycle accident with asymptomatic or symptomatic flu as a flu death in years previous?

No. They did not. They have adopted a special and new way to count deaths for this. Same in other countries. And here you are parroting the manipulated data and media hype.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: July 28, 2021, 04:42:11 PM »
Tom, if you are just going to repost the same stuff without following the conversation, perhaps you should refrain from posting.

Wrong. If you're not going to bother addressing this you need to just stop posting about the 'increased death counts'.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: July 28, 2021, 04:22:52 PM »
So no evidence. Thanks for clarifying.
There is no evidence of mass graves for Covid victims in New York.

"The mayor stressed that even the most recent burials on the island are not necessarily always related to the pandemic."

Those graves were for prisoners and unclaimed bodies.

Those graves saw a fivefold increase in burials in the months after the pandemic started. Surely. SURELY a coincidence.

No, it's not.

https://www.kxl.com/study-shows-increase-in-non-covid-deaths-during-pandemic/

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(Portland, OR) — Health officials say there was an increase in deaths from non-COVID-19 related conditions during the pandemic. A Providence Health study found unplanned hospitalizations were cut up to 50-percent while deaths increased 20-percent. People held off going to hospitals for heart issues, strokes and care for chronic conditions due to fear they’d get COVID-19. Doctors say people need to know that medical clinics, hospitals, and emergency rooms are safe places to get medical care.

People were afraid of going to the hospital = Excess deaths.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes
« on: July 28, 2021, 02:01:38 AM »
We already knew you thought Kamala was a clown. I was surprised to find out you think Trump is a clown. Why do you want a clown as president?

I didn't vote for him for medical advice. You seem to believe that anyone who voted for him agrees with everything he says. I like my DNA and RNA unmolested.




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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes
« on: July 28, 2021, 01:27:03 AM »
Now we know what you really think of Trump. Beautiful.

Trump wants you to go take his experimental Trump shot that he funded and pushed quick emergency authorization for, so you should probably follow his lead and go for it.

Kamala gave in:




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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Cavendish experiment
« on: July 27, 2021, 11:09:35 PM »
They don't know what they're measuring.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/puzzling-measurement-of-big-g-gravitational-constant-ignites-debate-slide-show/

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Although gravity seems like one of the most salient of nature’s forces in our daily lives, it’s actually by far the weakest, making attempts to calculate its strength an uphill battle. “Two one-kilogram masses that are one meter apart attract each other with a force equivalent to the weight of a few human cells,” says University of Washington physicist Jens Gundlach, who worked on a separate 2000 measurement of big G. “Measuring such small forces on kg-objects to 10-4 or 10-5 precision is just not easy. There are a many effects that could overwhelm gravitational effects, and all of these have to be properly understood and taken into account.

https://futurism.com/the-gravitational-constant-is-it-really-constant

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So far as we can tell, the gravitational constant has remained constant throughout the entire history of the universe. This has, however, been VERY difficult to prove! Measurements of the gravitational constant over the past 200 years have been erratic. Even as the techniques that we use now are far more advanced and sensitive than were used two centuries ago, the true value of the gravitational constant remains elusive.

In 2013, a group of researchers working out of France took the measurement of the gravitational constant, using the same machine that they’d used some 2 years earlier. Improvements were made on the machine to improve the sensitivity and give a more accurate result. The machine, which uses two independent methods to calculate the constant, averages the results of the two. This, in theory, should help reduce systematic errors. What did they find? A different result!

At first it may seem strange that the gravitational constant is so hard to determine. There are four fundamental forces in the universe:

Strong Force
Weak Force
Electromagnetism
Gravity

Gravity is by far the weakest of the four forces, which, may also sound a little strange considering what we see in the universe. When looking out into the cosmos, gravity appears to be the reigning king of all. Gravity is so strong that it causes stars to fuse hydrogen into helium, collapses stellar cores into neutron stars and black holes, creates quasars and dictates the flow of matter within the entire universe.

On a large scale, gravity wins. But, as was previously mentioned, gravity is the weakest of the four forces. The reason for this discrepancy is, as a force, gravity travels further and has a slower fall off. The strongest of the four forces, the Strong Force, becomes almost non-existent at distances outside of a nucleus. What makes gravity stronger in macro circumstances is that it is accumulative. The more matter there is, the more gravity. But still, gravity is weaker. Therefore, when trying to measure it, the other forces can cause systematic errors. It is akin to trying to measure the weight of a feather, outdoors, in a slight breeze, with an old pair of scales.

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsta.2014.0253

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What matters then is not the actual value of G itself (give or take a percentage or so) but its uncertainty. The real importance of the accuracy of G is arguably that it can be taken as a measure, in popular culture, of how well we understand our most familiar force: the discrepant results may signify some new physics, or they may demonstrate that we do not understand the metrology of measuring weak forces. Owing to the lack of theoretical understanding of gravity, as alluded to earlier, there is an abundance of respectable theories that predict violations of the inverse square law or violations of the universality of free fall. In fact, a growing view is that G is not truly universal and may depend on matter density on astrophysical scales, for example. A misunderstanding of the metrology of weak force physics may in turn imply that the experimental tests that have established the inverse square law and the universality of free fall thus far are flawed in some subtle fashion. This makes for a potentially exciting situation and perhaps explains the general interest shown in our apparently mundane and painstaking work on G.

Either new physics or they are misunderstanding something about the forces that exist at that range.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: July 27, 2021, 10:31:51 PM »
Quote from: AllAroundTheWorld
My mistake, it was actually 44% above average at the peak. This is all cause mortality over the last winter.
By Christmas it was 30% above the average you'd expect for the time of year, by early Feb it peaked at 44% above the average.

Did you show that there was not a general increase in deaths and that Covid cases are not being misreported? No. You didn't even bother to address those arguments. You just keep posting your graph and repeating the same trash.

Another article on it:

https://www.kxl.com/study-shows-increase-in-non-covid-deaths-during-pandemic/

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(Portland, OR) — Health officials say there was an increase in deaths from non-COVID-19 related conditions during the pandemic. A Providence Health study found unplanned hospitalizations were cut up to 50-percent while deaths increased 20-percent. People held off going to hospitals for heart issues, strokes and care for chronic conditions due to fear they’d get COVID-19. Doctors say people need to know that medical clinics, hospitals, and emergency rooms are safe places to get medical care.

People were afraid of going to the hospital = Excess deaths.

Reporting Motorcycle Accidents and any death with Covid as a Covid Death = FRAUD

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Cavendish experiment
« on: July 27, 2021, 10:19:03 PM »
It's not remarkably similar. The physicist Terence Quinn above says that the range undermines their science of the metrology of the small forces.

https://www.nature.com/articles/nphys3651.pdf?proof=t

"Who needs a more accurate numerical value of G (the current recommended value is 6.67408 ± 0.00031 × 10−11 kg−1 m3 s−2)? The short answer is, nobody, for the moment, but being apparently unable to converge on a value for G undermines our confidence in the metrology of small forces."

"Despite intensified efforts, measurements of the gravitational constant continue to fail to converge, as Terry Quinn explains."

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: July 27, 2021, 10:05:41 PM »
General increase in deaths:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2778361

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A study analyzing US mortality in March-July 2020 reported a 20% increase in excess deaths, only partly explained by COVID-19.

Plus misreporting of Covid Deaths:

https://www.kgw.com/article/news/investigations/questions-over-the-accuracy-of-how-the-state-tracks-covid-deaths/283-0b1b7b6c-695e-4313-92cf-a4cfd7510721

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So what does that policy mean in practice? We asked Modie about a hypothetical case where someone died from a motorcycle crash and also had COVID-19. Would that be counted as a COVID-19 death?

“It would be,” Modie explained. “But I must go back to the point about how we used this data, which is to help us track how COVID-19 is spread in the community.”

= FRAUD

We get plenty of asymptomatic or otherwise harmless diseases in us. There is no reason to start changing the way deaths are reported. In years past they did not attribute motorcycle deaths to the flu if someone had asymptomatic flu in their system.

If you can't argue with consistent data and methods, it's a worthless argument.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: July 27, 2021, 08:55:12 PM »
The lockdown itself is causing excess deaths, as Thork pointed out. They are being mis-attributed to Covid because it's a highly transmissible harmless disease (or as harmful as the flu) that everyone gets. Unlike with the flu in previous years, the government is putting anything down as Covid, even if you die of a motorcycle accident with Covid in your system, as we saw in the other thread. That is a fraud on the public to make Covid into a bigger deal than it is.

The excess deaths that they couldn't pin on Covid are up all around during this Covid pandemic:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2778361

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A study analyzing US mortality in March-July 2020 reported a 20% increase in excess deaths, only partly explained by COVID-19. Surges in excess deaths varied in timing and duration across states and were accompanied by increased mortality from non–COVID-19 causes.

Caused by the lockdown.

Th data is clearly manipulated. The fact is that they are misreporting any death to be caused by Covid if there is Covid in your system.

https://www.kgw.com/article/news/investigations/questions-over-the-accuracy-of-how-the-state-tracks-covid-deaths/283-0b1b7b6c-695e-4313-92cf-a4cfd7510721

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So what does that policy mean in practice? We asked Modie about a hypothetical case where someone died from a motorcycle crash and also had COVID-19. Would that be counted as a COVID-19 death?

“It would be,” Modie explained. “But I must go back to the point about how we used this data, which is to help us track how COVID-19 is spread in the community.”

They didn't do that in previous years. If you had the flu and died in a motorcycle accident you were not counted as a flu death.

Why the new procedure?

It's a lie and a manipulation to fudge the numbers. You are perpetuating fraudulent arguments that do not hold up.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: July 27, 2021, 07:30:01 AM »
Incorrect. You claimed that the vaccine doesn't stop you from catching Covid right here:

The vaccine doesn't stop you catching Covid

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