Show Posts

This section allows you to view all posts made by this member. Note that you can only see posts made in areas you currently have access to.


Messages - Tom Bishop

Pages: < Back  1 [2] 3 4 ... 307  Next >
21
Flat Earth Community / Re: Post Your Favorite NASA ISS Fails
« on: July 14, 2019, 06:13:46 PM »
Thank you. The wire stuff seems pretty damning. Here are some more pure coincidences:

Astronauts on ISS Spacewalks Push Objects at a Distance

The following video shows astronauts on spacewalks pushing objects just before touching them, suggesting that the scenes are being filmed in an underwater set. See these two examples at the 5:20 mark:



Bodies are moving before being touched, which is difficult to explain. The entire video is worth watching as well.


Tom,

How do you square this with Pete's article about not always believing everything you see on the internet? (i.e. I saw it on the internet, therefore it must be true)

Thanks

You are right to point that out. I have my doubts about those videos that NASA put up on the internet.

22
They ask "Can the genie ever be put back into the bottle?"

Yes. By producing independent, repeatable, and conclusive evidence that the earth is a globe.

23
Flat Earth Theory / Re: A single question...
« on: July 10, 2019, 08:35:11 PM »
And somewhat related...if the Earth is flat, how come if I setup a powerful laser perfectly parallel with the Earth/ground, it will always end up shining on the sky above?  This would only happen in a spherical Earth.

Can you give a reference to where you have seen this? It might be a piece of evidence for EAT.

24
Flat Earth Theory / Re: how do gyrocompasses work on FE?
« on: July 08, 2019, 08:09:57 AM »
A researcher in Russia performed experiments which saw odd southerly deflections which he believed  to defy classical mechanics. The gyrocompass is probably taking advantage of this effect he found.

http://www.chronos.msu.ru/old/EREPORTS/levich_substan_inter/levich_substan_inter.htm

Quote
One of Kozyrev’s early papers (Kozyrev 1958) describes in detail the experiments on anomalous southern deflection of bodies falling in the Earth’s gravitational field, from Hooke’s experiments of 1680 to that of Kozyrev, arranged at Pulkovo.

The northern deflection effect “is observed by vibration of any nonrotating body suspended to a filament. The conditions necessary for obtaining the pendulum displacement effect due to the Earth’s rotation, are quite similar to the above conditions of gyro displacement... These experiments were carried out at Pulkovo with pendulums of different lengths, from 1.5 to 11 meters. The fractional displacement turned out to be independent of pendulum length... Thus the displacement is caused by a certain force, independent of pendulum construction. This force significantly varies with geographic latitude... No doubt, the forces measured by pendulum displacements are horizontal projections of asymmetric forces active at the surface of the Earth. As for vertical projections of the same asymmetric forces, one can try to obtain them by vibrating the system with a vertical degree of freedom” (Kozyrev 1963, p.107). “The simplest system of this kind is a beam balance. Assume that a weight is suspended at one end of the beam by a rigid suspension able to transfer beam vibrations to the weight. The other, balancing weight was suspended to rubber shock-absorbers which damp all the oscillations. Then, as the balance vibrates, it is possible to observe oscillating weight reduction...

He believed that the earth was round, and speculated on some kind of force inherent in nature that deflected southwards, but it is difficult to understand his exact theory. He did perform several experiments which showed southern deflection, whatever his theory about it might be. There are a bunch of books and articles about him if of interest.

Oddly, the deflections and and changes of weight that he found only seem to occur with moving mechanical objects, such as gyroscopes.

Assessing the operation of the gyrocompass shows that it indeed operates on slight weight changes.

See: https ://books.google.com/books?id=PiEDAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA91&ots=s0slhdUupv&pg=PA91#v=onepage&q&f=false

25
The study you cited is a totally different study with different doses and cancers and timespans.

The people in the study I cited were given the same treatment and their cancers were suppressed in a double-blind study against a control group. The control group without the high doses of garlic had cancers which proliferated. How did those people in that study taking high dose garlic coincidentally regress?

26
Garlic suppresses cancer in humans:

Careful with statements like: "Garlic suppresses cancer in humans". There's a potential and is still being studied.

I bet those people were pretty happy when the garlic suppressed their cancer.

27
Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Clarifications on UA
« on: July 05, 2019, 04:26:08 PM »
Alternate reality? It sounds like he's just talking about Newton's laws from Wikipedia to me. Take a look:



It says the same thing here at the University of Pittsburgh:

https://www.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/teaching/HPS_0410/chapters_August_14_2018/general_relativity/index.html

Quote



A two pound mass feels twice the gravitational force than does a one pound mass in the same gravitational field, since it has twice the gravitational mass.



One might expect that, if we drop the two masses, the two pound mass would fall faster because it is acted on by twice the gravitational force.

A second factor comes into play that erases the effect of the increase. In Newtonian gravitation theory, a body with a two pound gravitational mass will also have a two pound inertial mass.

The inertial mass of the body tells us how much acceleration the body acquires when acted on by a force. (The precise relation is acceleration = force/mass.)

Thus, in passing from the one pound to the two pound mass, we have doubled both the inertial and the gravitational mass. So we have doubled the gravitational force, but halved the responsiveness of the mass to the gravitational forces.

The outcome is that both masses fall with exactly the same acceleration.

See the underlined above -- "A second factor comes into play that erases the effect of the increase". The second factor that comes into play is inertia and inertial resistance which equalizes the different gravitational pulls to the same rate of acceleration.

28
Flat Earth Community / Re: Flat earthers in Switzerland
« on: July 05, 2019, 02:43:00 PM »
There is a Flat Earth friend finder website that is becoming popular in the wider Flat Earth community called zoom truth. It will show the flat earthers who have signed up near you. Do a search on Google or YouTube.

Edit: https://www.facebook.com/TheFlatEarthPodcast/posts/httpzoomtruthcomadd-yourself-to-the-flat-earth-friend-finderfind-others-on-the-f/2299687630350618/

29
Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Clarifications on UA
« on: July 04, 2019, 04:28:08 AM »
I just provided you with a video of an experiment controlled for atmosphere, so your claim that they don't exist is disproven.

You had responded to an exchange between Salviati and I about the weight variation by latitude experiments. How would the experiment you provided contribute to that?

30
Garlic suppresses cancer in humans:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16484573

Quote
Aged garlic extract has potential suppressive effect on colorectal adenomas in humans.
Tanaka S1, Haruma K, Yoshihara M, Kajiyama G, Kira K, Amagase H, Chayama K.

Abstract
Epidemiological and animal studies suggest AGE and its organosulfur constituents, such as S-allylcysteine and S-allylmercaptocysteine have anticarcinogenic effects. To confirm these effects in humans, a preliminary double-blind, randomized clinical trial using high-dose AGE (AGE 2.4 mL/d) as an active treatment and low-dose AGE (AGE 0.16 mL/d) as a control was performed on patients with colorectal adenomas-precancerous lesions of the large bowel. The study enrolled 51 patients who were diagnosed as carrying colorectal adenomas. The patients were randomly assigned to the two groups after adenomas larger than 5 mm in diameter were removed by polypectomy. The number and size of adenomas right before intake (0 mo) and at 6 and 12 mo after intake were measured using colonoscopy. Thirty-seven patients (19 in the active group, 18 in the control group) completed the study and were evaluated for the efficacy of AGE. The number of adenomas increased linearly in the control group from the beginning (the baseline), but AGE significantly suppressed both the size and number of colon adenomas in patients after 12 mo of high-dose treatment (P=0.04). The results suggest AGE suppresses progression of colorectal adenomas in humans. It appears that AGE has multiple pathways to reduce cancer incidence and suppress its growth and proliferation.

31
Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Clarifications on UA
« on: July 03, 2019, 11:31:49 PM »
Can you reference experiments that were conducted in a vaccum chamber?
Here's one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lliBy-S4ZPA

It seems that he forgot to take it to a different latitude to check the weight change.
Why would latitude be relevant when the experiment is looking at the effects of air pressure? ???

Because the weight variation by latitude experiments you guys constantly reference that 'disproves UA' involves measuring the weight of a mass in one environment and taking the mass and scale to another environment and looking for the difference of a fraction of a percent.

It is astounding that these experiments are uncontrolled for atmosphere. A search for vaccum controlled tests of this bring up zero results for me. Perhaps because they were done 300 years ago and they are only now casually done for educational purposes.

32
Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Clarifications on UA
« on: July 03, 2019, 10:49:13 PM »
Can you reference experiments that were conducted in a vaccum chamber?
Here's one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lliBy-S4ZPA

It seems that he forgot to take it to a different latitude to check the weight change.

33
Flat Earth Theory / Re: Lunar eclipses...
« on: July 03, 2019, 10:38:08 PM »
What makes you think that the Nibiru community aren't using coronagraphs to try and find Nibiru?

https://youtu.be/Si8dEhjKa2w

https://youtu.be/vgg-EYhJQ00

https://youtu.be/llU2UJJqZy4

Many more on YouTube

34
Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Clarifications on UA
« on: July 03, 2019, 10:25:04 PM »
Quote
1). Please note that gravity isn't the same at every point of the earth. The difference is not too much great but isn't too small either.

Those experiments are uncontrolled. See: https://wiki.tfes.org/Weight_Variation_by_Latitude

Can you reference experiments that were conducted in a vaccum chamber?

35
Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Clarifications on UA
« on: July 03, 2019, 08:57:22 PM »
It literally says the opposite of that ???

See this conversation on stack exchange:

https://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/3396/different-gravitational-and-inertial-mass

Quote
As has been discussed already, different objects would fall at different speeds. Why? Wikipedia led me to an interesting derivation.

...

An object with larger gravitational mass would undergo a greater acceleration. Strange but true; it's an artifact of the equation. So heavy objects would fall a lot faster than lighter objects

See Salvati's quote above:

I did not express myself properly. I meant that the acceleration would be greater if there were no inertia. But with inertia the acceleration is the same for all bodies.

It is an astounding coincidence that inertia, an entirely different properly of mass, should slow all bodies in Earth's gravity to exactly the same rate of acceleration. If gravity had been any different, such as with gravity on Jupiter, it would not match inertia. Inertia is a universal property of mass which is the same for the same mass in weightless space, on Earth, and on Jupiter.

Tom, inertia does not slow things down.  Inertia is the resistance to change in motion.  You might be thinking about friction, which is a completely different concept.  Inertia is solely dependent on mass.  In fact, mass can be thought of as a measure of an object's inertia.
Mass as a Measure of the Amount of Inertia

All objects resist changes in their state of motion. All objects have this tendency - they have inertia. But do some objects have more of a tendency to resist changes than others? Absolutely yes! The tendency of an object to resist changes in its state of motion varies with mass. Mass is that quantity that is solely dependent upon the inertia of an object. The more inertia that an object has, the more mass that it has. A more massive object has a greater tendency to resist changes in its state of motion.

Resistance = Slow Down

If the elephant is accelerating towards the earth faster than the mouse due to gravity alone, then inertial resistance--which is greater for a greater mass--must be slowing it down to match the mouse.

36
Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Clarifications on UA
« on: July 03, 2019, 08:34:07 PM »
It says that with gravity alone, the elephant would accelerate faster than the feather. Gravity does not equal out on its own. In the absence of inertia, heavier and more massive things fall faster.

It is an astounding coincidence that inertia, an entirely different properly of mass, should slow all bodies in Earth's gravity to exactly the same rate of acceleration. If gravity had been any different, such as with gravity on Jupiter, it would not match inertia. Inertia is a universal property of mass which is the same for the same mass in weightless space, on Earth, and on Jupiter.

This is why Newtonian Gravity is wrong.

37
Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Clarifications on UA
« on: July 03, 2019, 08:01:59 PM »
Quote from: AllAroundTheWorld
The force required to accelerate an object at a certain rate is proportional to its mass.
The force of gravity acting on an object is also proportional to its mass.

Ergo in a gravitational field objects of different mass accelerate at the same rate.

https://web.archive.org/web/20120319085642/http://www.physicsclassroom.com/mmedia/newtlaws/efff.cfm

Quote
Suppose that an elephant and a feather are dropped off a very tall building from the same height at the same time. Suppose also that air resistance could somehow be eliminated such that neither the elephant nor the feather would experience any air drag during the course of their fall. Which object - the elephant or the feather - will hit the ground first? The animation at the right accurately depicts this situation. The motion of the elephant and the feather in the absence of air resistance is shown. Further, the acceleration of each object is represented by a vector arrow.



Many people are surprised by the fact that in the absence of air resistance, the elephant and the feather strike the ground at the same time. Why is this so? This question is the source of much confusion (as well as a variety of misconceptions). Test your understanding by making an effort to identify the following statements as being either true or false.

TRUE or FALSE:

- The elephant and the feather each have the same force of gravity.
- The elephant has more mass, yet both elephant and feather experience the same force of gravity.
- The elephant experiences a greater force of gravity, yet both the elephant and the feather have the same mass.
- On earth, all objects (whether an elephant or a feather) have the same force of gravity.
- The elephant weighs more than the feather, yet they each have the same mass.
- The elephant clearly has more mass than the feather, yet they each weigh the same.
- The elephant clearly has more mass than the feather, yet the amount of gravity (force) is the same for each.
- The elephant has the greatest acceleration, yet the amount of gravity is the same for each.
 
If you answered TRUE to any of the above, then perhaps you have some level of confusion concerning either the concepts or the words force, weight, gravity, mass, and acceleration. In the absence of air resistance, both the elephant and the feather are in a state of free-fall. That is to say, the only force acting upon the two objects is the force of gravity. This force of gravity is what causes both the elephant and the feather to accelerate downwards. The force of gravity experienced by an object is dependent upon the mass of that object. Mass refers to the amount of matter in an object. Clearly, the elephant has more mass than the feather. Due to its greater mass, the elephant also experiences a greater force of gravity. That is, the Earth is pulling downwards upon the elephant with more force than it pulls downward upon the feather. Since weight is a measure of gravity's pull upon an object, it would also be appropriate to say that the elephant weighs more than the feather. For these reasons, all of the eight statements are false; there is an erroneous part to each statement due to the confusion of weight, mass, and force of gravity.

But if the elephant weighs more and experiences a greater downwards pull of gravity compared to the feather, why then does it hit the ground at the same time as the feather? Great question!! To answer this question, we must recall Newton's second law - the law of acceleration. Newton's second law states that the acceleration of an object is directly related to the net force and inversely related to its mass. When figuring the acceleration of object, there are two factors to consider - force and mass. Applied to the elephant-feather scenario, we can say that the elephant experiences a much greater force (which tends to produce large accelerations). Yet, the mass of an object resists acceleration. Thus, the greater mass of the elephant (which tends to produce small accelerations) offsets the influence of the greater force. It is the force/mass ratio which determines the acceleration. Even though a baby elephant may experience 100 000 times the force of a feather, it has 100 000 times the mass. The force/mass ratio is the same for each. The greater mass of the elephant requires the greater force just to maintain the same acceleration as the feather.

38
Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Clarifications on UA
« on: July 03, 2019, 06:48:24 PM »
See the bolded above. The elephant experiences a greater force of gravity than the mouse.
Yes

Quote
Based on that force alone the elephant would accelerate faster than the mouse.
No! Literally the next sentence after the one you bolded explains why not.

What do you mean? It says that based on the force of gravity alone that the elephant would accelerate faster than the mouse:

Quote
If Newton's second law were applied to their falling motion, and if a free-body diagram were constructed, then it would be seen that the 1000-kg baby elephant would experiences a greater force of gravity. This greater force of gravity would have a direct affect upon the elephant's acceleration; thus, based on force alone, it might be thought that the 1000-kg baby elephant would accelerate faster.

The next sentences start talking about inertia:

Quote
But acceleration depends upon two factors: force and mass. The 1000-kg baby elephant obviously has more mass (or inertia). This increased mass has an inverse affect upon the elephant's acceleration.

It's talking about inertia and inertial resistance. Without inertia, the elephant would accelerate faster than the mouse.

39
Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Clarifications on UA
« on: July 03, 2019, 06:30:03 PM »
Here is a source which says basically the same:

https://web.archive.org/web/20120320234442/http://www.physicsclassroom.com/Class/newtlaws/U2L3e.cfm

Quote
Free Fall Motion

As learned in an earlier unit, free fall is a special type of motion in which the only force acting upon an object is gravity. Objects that are said to be undergoing free fall, are not encountering a significant force of air resistance; they are falling under the sole influence of gravity. Under such conditions, all objects will fall with the same rate of acceleration, regardless of their mass. But why? Consider the free-falling motion of a 1000-kg baby elephant and a 1-kg overgrown mouse.



If Newton's second law were applied to their falling motion, and if a free-body diagram were constructed, then it would be seen that the 1000-kg baby elephant would experiences a greater force of gravity. This greater force of gravity would have a direct affect upon the elephant's acceleration; thus, based on force alone, it might be thought that the 1000-kg baby elephant would accelerate faster. But acceleration depends upon two factors: force and mass. The 1000-kg baby elephant obviously has more mass (or inertia). This increased mass has an inverse affect upon the elephant's acceleration. And thus, the direct affect of greater force on the 1000-kg elephant is offset by the inverse affect of the greater mass of the 1000-kg elephant; and so each object accelerates at the same rate - approximately 10 m/s/s. The ratio of force to mass (Fnet/m) is the same for the elephant and the mouse under situations involving free fall.

See the bolded above. The elephant experiences a greater force of gravity than the mouse. Based on that force alone the elephant would accelerate faster than the mouse.

But inertial resistance equalizes the two so that they move at exactly the same rate of acceleration. Coincidence. See:

https://books.google.com/books?id=5dryXCWR7EIC&lpg=PA148&ots=r75r_jl-VB&dq=%22equivalence%20principle%22%20%22remarkable%20coincidence%22&pg=PA149#v=onepage&q=%22equivalence%20principle%22%20%22remarkable%20coincidence%22&f=false

Quote
This equivalence of the gravitational and inertial masses (which allows us to refer simply to 'the mass'), is a truly remarkable coincidence in the Newtonian theory. In this theory there is no a-priori reason why the quantity that determines the magnitude of the gravitational force on the particle should equal the quantity that determines the particle's 'resistance' to an applied force in general.

http://cosmoschool2018.oa.uj.edu.pl/pdfs/day3/CosmoSchool_Cracow2018_PiorkowskaKurpas.pdf




40
Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Clarifications on UA
« on: July 03, 2019, 05:33:34 PM »
It is not a misconception at all. Einstein thought it was an astronomical coincidence, which is why he came up with his upwardly accelerating theories.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0039368185900020

Quote
Whilst preparing a review article on his new special theory of relativity, he became convinced that the key to the extension of the principle of relativity to accelerated motion lay in the remarkable and unexplained empirical coincidence of the equality of inertial and gravitational masses.

"remarkable and unexplained empirical coincidence"

According to Newtonian gravity bodies of different masses are pulled at different rates towards the earth.
What is your basis for that claim?
I showed using Newton's equations above that objects of different mass are accelerated towards earth (or any body) at the same rate.
The force on them is proportional to their mass, that's why the acceleration is agnostic of their mass.

Under Newtonian Gravity bodies are pulled at different rates towards the earth, and inertia slows them down to exactly the same rate of acceleration. Salviati explained it here:

An heavier body is attracted with a greater force (not energy!) and thus with greater acceleration, but inertia slows it down by an equal amount.

In other words Gravitational Mass = Inertial Mass

That's the coincidence in the paper about Einstein above.

Pages: < Back  1 [2] 3 4 ... 307  Next >