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No. This has nothing to do with this or that platoon name. The government cover-up claims about the Osama Seals were made despite the platoon name. History.com says that the members on board Extraction 17 were part of the DEVGRU that did the Osama raid.

https://www.history.com/news/the-costliest-day-in-seal-team-six-history

The Costliest Day in SEAL Team Six History

"On August 6, 2011, insurgents shot down a Chinook transport helicopter in Afghanistan, killing all 38 people on board, including 15 Navy SEALS from Team Six’s Gold Squadron.

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Of the 30 Americans killed, 22 were Navy personnel, and 17 were SEALs. These included two bomb specialists and 15 operators in the Gold Squadron of DEVGRU, or Team Six, the highly classified unit that conducted the raid that killed Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden at his compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan the previous May."

There are several squadrons that comprise DEVGRU. They are delineated by colours. Red Squadron carrier out Operation Neptune Spear, not Gold Squadron.  There is no evidence a member of Operation Neptune Spear was killed in that crash.

The government doesn't list out names of Seal Team Six members, so you wouldn't know that no one involved with Osama was killed in the crash.

The fact is that the Gold Squadron of DEVGRU of Seal Team Six are credited as the team that conducted the Bin Laden Raid.

Members of that team were on Extortion 17

Therefore it is false to say that no members of the team that conducted the Osama raid died.

'Operation Neptune Spear' refers to an operation name, not a team name.

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No. This has nothing to do with this or that platoon name. The government cover-up claims about the Osama Seals were made despite the platoon name. History.com says that the members on board Extraction 17 were part of the Gold Squadron of DEVGRU that did the Osama raid.

https://www.history.com/news/the-costliest-day-in-seal-team-six-history

The Costliest Day in SEAL Team Six History

"On August 6, 2011, insurgents shot down a Chinook transport helicopter in Afghanistan, killing all 38 people on board, including 15 Navy SEALS from Team Six’s Gold Squadron.

~


Of the 30 Americans killed, 22 were Navy personnel, and 17 were SEALs. These included two bomb specialists and 15 operators in the Gold Squadron of DEVGRU, or Team Six, the highly classified unit that conducted the raid that killed Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden at his compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan the previous May."

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None of the members who were on the mission to kill Bin Laden are dead.  The guy who actually shot him is being very public in showing that he is alive and well.  He has confirmed they are ALL alive.

A lot of Seal Team 6 did die. It was the single largest loss of life in the history of the US Navy Seals. Parrot references Extortion 17 in the documents he provided.

And you are again avoiding the fact that none of the people on the Bin Laden raid died in that attack. 

You have no proof or evidence that anyone on the Bin Laden raid was on that helicopter.  And evidence DIRECT from one of the people on it that they were NOT.

Dead wrong.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Afghanistan_Boeing_Chinook_shootdown

For years after the downing of Extortion 17, there were many theories about a possible government cover-up. The official statement from US Central Command states that a Taliban fighter scored a lucky shot with a rocket propelled grenade on the CH-47 Chinook helicopter. It was reported that the Taliban fighters had no information of the helicopter's flight path and that they had been in the right place at the right time. A Department of Defense official asserted that there were no leaks from the Afghans.[citation needed] Doubts about this story were raised by families and other concerned citizens despite the fact that the US Navy SEAL team aboard Extortion 17 had been a different platoon than had carried out the raid that killed Osama bin Laden three months earlier. The theories suggest that there had been leaked information from Afghan forces to the Taliban about the mission, allowing the Taliban to plan and carry out the strike against Extortion 17.[21]

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None of the members who were on the mission to kill Bin Laden are dead.  The guy who actually shot him is being very public in showing that he is alive and well.  He has confirmed they are ALL alive.

A lot of Seal Team 6 did die. It was the single largest loss of life in the history of the US Navy Seals. Parrot references Extortion 17 in the documents he provided.

Even the person who wrote the book on it expresses doubts with the official story.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_Sign_Extortion_17

The crash, said to have been caused by a Rocket-propelled grenade fired by Taliban forces in the Tangi Valley of Wardak Province, when the helicopter was at approximately 100–150 feet off the ground just before to landing, was the largest loss-of-life by U.S. in the Afghan War.[6] The Chinook was shot down in the early morning hours of August 6, 2011, at approximately 0239 AM local time, and was the largest single loss of American life in the history of the U.S. Navy SEALs.[7]

The book is written based largely upon a review of the official, non-classified military record of the crash, which was mysteriously leaked to several family members in October 2011, one month after the official military investigation was closed. Brown believes that the SEAL team may have been sacrificed, either through extreme gross negligence in the mission-planning or for other reasons, and has stated in interviews that the military is covering up key facts germane to the case, including the identities of seven Afghans who slipped on the helicopter without authority, and the true status of the helicopter's black box, which has been the subject of conflicting reports by the military.[8]

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It seems like Parrot did not have access to Bin Laden but knew a smuggler who did, T2. I see nothing that indicates how he would be aware of a high level plot to fake and cover up the death of Bin Laden. His contact in the CIA had trouble getting his letters delivered, why would he have knowledge of this higher level operation? As I’ve said before this is extremely unconvincing without corroborating evidence.

The last minute of the video trailer I posted has statements  that Parrot had the ability to go in and sit with Osama Bin Laden at will and had met him five or six times. It's the premise of the documentary.

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You keep ignoring that a member of the Seal team that killed Bin Laden is NOT DEAD as the conspiracy theory claims.

Why won't you address this?  You not only keep avoiding commenting on it, but delete any reference to it whenever you reply.

Many members of the Seal Team 6 are dead, and that is well known. This individual was not discussed at all.

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The basis of the claim is that the military was instructed to lie about it, so referencing a military tale that Osama Bin Laden was killed does not present a hole in the story.

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The CIA operative that non-CIA officials "confirmed" the authenticity of to someone on Twitter who has no apparent credentials.  That whistleblower?

The whistleblower's name is Allen Parrot, and you didn't do a good enough job of looking at his background. He is known to have worked with the CIA.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/feathered-cocaine_b_4392859

Parrot realized that his role as a supplier of falcons to royals in the Middle East was changing — that it was now more than just helping rich Arabs with a hobby, but a matter of helping Arabs network with terrorists.  Parrot was supplying falcons to hunting camps that ultimately led to military corruption, bribery, and a meet with Osama bin Laden.

"If you have billions and billions of dollars, people indulge themselves," ex-CIA agent Bob Baer says in the 2010 documentary, Feathered Cocaine. When the super rich come out to these falconry camps, "they live these bifurcated lives. They're enormously wealthy, and so they feel obligated to give out zakat (or gifts)," Baer says. "When they hold a majlis (meeting) out in the desert, with the Pakistanis, with the Generals, and hand out the money, and you've got a Pakistani leadership that wants to use Islam to unify the country, it's all done in one business meeting. Falcons, madrases, buying off Generals, funding the Afghan resistance." Baer concludes that princes and royal families in the Gulf routinely met with members of al Qaeda at falconry camps. "This has been seen on overhead, we know it exists. You show up and you say, here is $100 million in cash. Take the money. They're buying redemption, if you like. As a Catholic would. It's like going in and lighting a candle for them -- is giving this money. The entire 9/11 operation was not funded out of bin Laden's personal pocket. It was not funded by Taliban. It was funded out of the Gulf. Falconry camps are just a metaphor for the way business is done in the Middle East."

According to Feathered Cocaine, in the winter of 1999, the CIA encouraged a group of Afghans that were working for the CIA to try and reliably locate Osama bin Laden so that the U.S. could order an air strike on a falconry camp and kill bin Laden and any other high ranking associates. The Afghan agents received information that bin Laden was going to attend a falconry hunting camp in southern Kandahar that had been arranged by guests from the United Arab Emirates. The CIA ordered satellites above the falconry camp and images showed a large C-130. The camouflage pattern on the plane, and the tail number matched a plane that belonged to the United Arab Emirates. The host of that camp was Sheik Hamdan bin Zayid, the U.A.E. Minister of Foreign Affairs. But the recommendation for a strike was never approved after it was determined to be a "luxury hunting trip," by then National Security Adviser Richard Clarke and then DCI George Tenet. At the time, the U.A.E. was in negotiations with American companies to purchase 80 F-16 jets at a cost of $6.5 million per plane. Purely a coincidence, though.


There is a documentary about it. Parrot was one of the few people who had access to Osama Bin Laden.


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Who cares what random internet comments say.

You haven't convinced anyone why your anonymous internet comments are any better. At least those sources aren't known liberal trolls.

That puts a pretty big hole in the whole thing, doesn't it?

Why? The basis of the whistleblower claim is that the military was instructed to lie about it.

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I agree. Mine aren't any more credible than yours or the random commenters.

Then there shouldn't be a problem with anonymous comments appearing in a thread full of anynomyous comments.

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But I would say Robert O'Neill's are more credible than all of ours.

All anonymous commenters are discussing the credibity of the sources involved.

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Wait a sec. Now your appeal is to "top comments" on a story? Seriously? Integrity?

Sure. They accurately pointed out that the person provided no evidence for that claim

Sure, the random anonymous 'commenters' pointed out that the "person", who is actually the guy who put 3 bullets in Bin Laden's head, didn't have any evidence for his claim...And the random anonymous 'commenters' evidence is??? And I'm supposed to believe the random anonymous 'commenters' who have no evidence that the decorated Seal Team 6 guy who shot and killed Bin Laden amid a very dangerous mission knows less than the random anonymous 'commenters'.

I think you may just want to lie down for a bit and think about this.

I just see an anymous internet comment here. I don't see why your comments are more credible than theirs.

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Wait a sec. Now your appeal is to "top comments" on a story? Seriously? Integrity?

Sure.  I don't see your commentary here as any more credible as those comments. Those comments accurately pointed out that the person provided no evidence for that claim.

I dont know why you guys would link to a page full of people doubting the story and pointing out its flaws.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Sunsets in EA
« on: October 16, 2020, 02:20:33 AM »
Quote from: JSS
I have additional questions and observations related to yours.

The above image could work for a single cloud, but how does it work for a larger amount of cloud cover?  I made a modification below to illustrate. I would think you also would still be able to see light hitting the tops of the clouds over in Brazil.  So at some point the clouds would transition from being lit at the top to being lit at the bottom?

I understand cloud cover isn't continuous over the entire surface, but just the next two clouds would block all the light from the first.

Fallacy. If there were clouds thousands of miles long curving around the "globe" it would also block the Sun under the RE idea.

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Did you miss the point where it was circulated in 2009?  What does that have to do with anything?

The published photographic evidence of Obama's death was fake. I don't see that it matters that they copied it from somewhere else, purposefully or not. It's fake. The public has no photographic evidence.

Pointing out other claims is pretty invalid if you have not looked into whether those claims were true or not outside of your liberal-biased media websites calling them false.

The evidence for this one is coming out, and will be bad news for Team Obama.


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Yep, it's fake alright. That's because:

Ironically, the Photoshopped image — a composite of another photo of a bloodied corpse and one of bin Laden from 1998 — was initially published in April 2009 and has been circulating on conspiracy forums as proof that he had been killed.

You know, a faked photo from 2009. 2 Years before Seal Team 6 killed Bin Laden.

Are you really that desperate you want to jump right in and believe all this without even looking into any of it? We know one thing for sure from the Survivor contestant, God is in control.

That image was shared by the media as the picture of dead Osama Bin Laden, which was fake. Which means we only have the word of the government that the DNA evidence matched, as claimed.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/may/02/osama-bin-laden-photo-fake?CMP=twt_fd




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Come back when there is actual evidence, not just right wing nutjobs making up stuff.  They said this, they said that.  Falcon guy!

I don't see how audio of Biden's lawyer and signatures of the whistleblower and the lawyer on an NDA forum are "making up stuff". Biden and the lawyer should come out and claim that it's faked if it's fake. There is some rather serious fakery going on here.

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This is it? This is the evidence we have been waiting for? Stunning.

Pay attention.





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I also love how someone typing out a transcript is now "supporting documents".  Like typing something somehow adds credibility to it?  Maybe if they use a bigger font it will be even MORE credible.

The full audio was released, and was played in part on the last video.

Audio Pt. 1 - https://twitter.com/Annakhait/status/1316317833211473921
Audio Pt. 2 - https://twitter.com/Annakhait/status/1316319351759425537
Transcript - https://twitter.com/scienceismymuse/status/1316071065525911556


- Seal Team 6 executes the mission but knows the dead BL in Pakistan is a double

Makes sense, since the circulated picture of the dead Osama Bin Laden was a photoshop fake.

LINK: WARNING: GRAPHIC IMAGE OF DEAD PERSON

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The documents are supporting evidence for the played audio of Biden's lawyer stating that Osama was being protected by the US.


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Wow, such desperation for this not to be true. Evidence is starting to be released now.

Anna Khait twitter - https://twitter.com/Annakhait

Obama Administration cut a deal to protect Osama Bin Laden until they decided otherwise. An audio phone call with Joe Biden's lawyer saying that Osama was being protected. NDA agreement signed by whistleblower. Whistleblower infiltrated middle east events under the guise of a falcon trainer. See video:



Edit: Re-Uploaded here - https://puresocial.tv/whistleblower-damage-control-mode/

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Moon landing Technology-Adam ruins everything
« on: October 14, 2020, 04:33:38 PM »
You are getting two projects called "Moonbeam" mixed up.  Again, these two amateurs  did their work before the project you mentioned existed.

The amateur "Project Moonbeam" done by W4AO and W3GKP in 1953. This bounced radio off the Moon.

And the Project Vanguard "Moonbeam" which wasn't started until 1956 to fund amateur HAM operator projects.  You even quoted that Project Vanguard started in 1955.

https://history.nasa.gov/SP-4202.pdf

The enthusiasm of amateur star-gazers over the opportunity to have a part in an important scientific venture early impressed the USNC's Executive Committee. Here evidently was a simple way of widening public interest in the IGY both at home and abroad. In response to the committee's suggestions that the men in charge of other phases of the IGY open the doors to amateur participation, in early 1956 the technical panel authorized "Moonbeam" for ham radio operators

Oh, so now you have two different Project Moonbeams for radio hams, one which is funded by the military and one which you think is independent, and which both take place within the few years of each other. How absurd. It says in the caption of the first image I provided "after three years of trying". These projects take years.

You quote doesn't even say that it was started in 1956. It says "in early 1956 the technical panel authorized 'Moonbeam' for ham radio operators;". That doesn't say that it was started in 1956. It says that they authorized it for something.

Names like Project Moonbeam and Project Vanguard are clearly military-style project names.

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Actually, it is you who are once again mistaken by failing to line up the historical record in the right order. As JSS just pointed out, you have the wrong dates. The amateur moonbounce was in 53', pre-dating any NRL affiliation by 2-3 years. So again, what about their amateur moonbounce echo test do you disagree with and why? And please pay special attention to facts.

I do pay attention to the facts. You don't. If you had gone to the link JSS provided you would see what it was authorized for. The quote continues with a semicolon. Here is the whole thing.

"The enthusiasm of amateur star-gazers over the opportunity to have a
part in an important scientific venture early impressed the USN C’s Execu-
tive Committee. Here evidently was a simple way of widening public inter-
est in the IGY both at home and abroad. In response to the committee’s
suggestions that the men in charge of other phases of the IGY open the
doors to amateur participation, in early 1956 the technical panel authorized
“Moonbeam” for ham radio operators; the Naval Research Laboratory
accepted responsibility for indoctrinating licensed applicants in the essen-
tial do’s and don’t’s, chiefly by means of a descriptive and technical manual
to be prepared by John Hagen. At the same time Whipple agreed to draft
instructions for Moonwatch teams.
"

So no. It, doesn't say it was started in 1956. You aren't paying attention. Do learn what a semicolon is, and do read your sources that you are trying to champion thoroughly. You are continuously wrong.

Again, you're missing the facts in the historical record. Project Vanguard didn't exist until 1955. The amateur HAMs did their landmark moonbounce echo in 53'. From the Naval Research Lab history:

"Vanguard Project
Between 1955 and 1959, NRL conducted the first American satellite program called Vanguard. The program was initiated to represent the United States in the International Geophysical Year (IGY). IGY was a cooperative international scientific effort to study the physical properties of Earth. "
https://www.nrl.navy.mil/accomplishments/rockets/vanguard-project

The Naval Research Laboratory (NRL) started both Vanguard and Project Moonbeam. The NRL predates all of those projects.

https://archive.org/stream/NASA_NTRS_Archive_19670008308/NASA_NTRS_Archive_19670008308_djvu.txt

    "In cooperation with the American Radio Relay League, NRL started Project Moonbeam, the electronic cousin to the SAO amateur optical tracking  activity, Project Moonwatch."

We see that the NRL is working with amateur organizations like the American Radio Relay League on projects, to be able to tell the world that their work is verified by amateurs.

From the ARRL website:

http://www.arrl.org/about-arrl

    "ARRL is the national association for Amateur Radio in the US. Founded in 1914 by Hiram Percy Maxim as The American Radio Relay League, ARRL is a noncommercial organization of radio amateurs."

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This is the "October Surprise" Trump's been harping about, yet another discredited conspiracy theory?

That's a relief, I thought it might actually end up being something to be worried about.

Also I thought Dumbledore was dead.

Really? How is it discredited when they state that they have the evidence and are releasing the evidence this week and have already distributed it to some? It sounds like you are pretty desperate for this to not be true.

You are discrediting only yourself by claiming that this has been discredited without even seeing the evidence.

Quote from: stack
"Overall, we rate Next News Network Extreme Right Biased and Questionable based on the routine publication of right-wing propaganda and conspiracy theories as well as several failed fact checks."
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/next-news-network/

You linked me to an amateur leftist website. It's not neutral.

https://www.justfactsdaily.com/media-bias-fact-check-incompetent-or-dishonest



When Journalism was a Thing



https://www.wnd.com/2017/02/phony-baloney-the-9-fakest-fake-news-checkers/

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Phony baloney: The 9 fakest fake-news checkers

2. Media Bias Fact Check

MediaBIasFactCheck.com describes itself as "the most comprehensive media bias resource in the Internet." The site is owned by Dave Van Zandt from North Carolina, who offers no biographical information about himself aside from the following: "Dave has been freelancing for 25+ years for a variety of print and web mediums (sic), with a focus on media bias and the role of media in politics. Dave is a registered Non-Affiliated voter who values evidence based reporting" and, "Dave Van Zandt obtained a Communications Degree before pursuing a higher degree in the sciences. Dave currently works full time in the health care industry. Dave has spent more than 20 years as an arm chair researcher on media bias and its role in political influence."

WND was unable to locate a single article with Van Zandt's byline. Ironically, the "fact checker" fails to establish his own credibility by disclosing his qualifications and training in evaluating news sources.

Asked for information concerning his expertise in the field of journalism and evaluating news sources, Van Zandt told WND: "I am not a journalist and just a person who is interested in how media bias impacts politics. You will find zero claims of expertise on the website."

Concerning his purported "25+ years" of experience writing for print and web media, he said: "I am not sure why the 25+ years is still on the website. That was removed a year ago when I first started the website. All of the writing I did was small print news zines from the '90s. I felt that what I wrote in the '90s is not related to what I am doing today so I removed it. Again, I am not a journalist. I simply have a background in communications and more importantly science where I learned to value evidence over all else. Through this I also became interested in research of all kinds, especially media bias, which is difficult to measure and is subjective to a degree."

WND asked: Were your evaluations reviewed by any experts in the industry?

"I can't say they have," Van Zandt replied. "Though the right-of-center Atlantic Council is using our data for a project they are working on."

~

Van Zandt says he uses a "strict methodology" in determining which news sources are credible, but his website offers vague and typo-ridden explanations of his criteria, such as the following:

~

Bill Palmer of the website Daily News Bin accused Van Zandt of retaliating when the Daily News Bin contacted him about his rating. Palmer wrote:

"It turns out Van Zandt has a vindictive streak. After one hapless social media user tried to use his phony 'Media Bias Fact Check' site to dispute a thoroughly sourced article from this site, Daily News Bin, we made the mistake of contacting Van Zandt and asking him to take down his ridiculous 'rating' – which consisted of nothing more than hearsay such as 'has been accused of being satire.' Really? When? By whom? None of those facts seem to matter to the guy running this 'Media Bias Fact Check' scam.

But instead of acknowledging that he'd been caught in the act, Van Zandt retaliated against Daily News Bin by changing his rating to something more sinister."


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October Surprise - Information is coming out showing that Obama, Clinton and Biden executed Seal Team 6 and sent money to Iran to cover it up.



Edit: Re-uploaded here: https://puresocial.tv/breaking-whistleblower-drops-hard-evidence-on-biden-obama-hillary-about-seal-team-6-audio-proof/

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