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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes
« on: October 23, 2020, 09:09:53 PM »

It's difficult to find direct demonstration for anything related to this. The best I can tell you is that there are two FE theories.

Monopole Model -

Traditional Flat Earth model. The lines of longitude diverge in the South greater than assumed. It would mean that the content linked on this page would need to be true:

Bi-Polar Model -

The lines of longitude do converge together in the South:

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: October 22, 2020, 12:18:39 AM »
Rachel Maddow of MSNBC is apparently trying to convince people that Gentoo Linux is a hacking tool.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« on: October 21, 2020, 10:50:43 PM »
If Gulania had info the best thing to do would be to release it before tomorrow's Thursday debate. Release it at a time for peak embarrassment. Biden would either have to answer for it on air or drop out of the debate, generating more media momentum on it.

Flat Earth Theory / Re: Low earth orbits, vs. Sun and moon
« on: October 21, 2020, 03:49:11 AM »
There is an example diagram of FE's sun epicycle on

Scroll down to the "Rendered Picture of the Sun in Relation to the Earth" section.

I don't really agree that it's an epicycle, however. I didn't come up with that.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes
« on: October 18, 2020, 05:15:50 PM »

Flat Earth Theory / Re: Tides and water levels on a flat earth
« on: October 18, 2020, 04:52:58 PM »
NGT says that the Earth turns into a bulge of water. Do you have a source which says that NGT is incorrect?

Flat Earth Theory / Re: Tides and water levels on a flat earth
« on: October 18, 2020, 04:15:31 PM »
There may be issues with the tides. There are places near the equator where there are negligible tides. Check this 4m video:

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« on: October 17, 2020, 09:24:51 PM »
Rudy Guliani has taken down crooked organizations before. If Guliani says that he has sufficient evidence of crimes implicating Biden and his family then there should be concern that he has sufficient evidence of those crimes.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: October 17, 2020, 06:14:24 PM »
Even the Biden Campaign is saying that the poll numbers are untrue.

From the link, a tweet by reporter Shane Goldmacher:

"Shane Goldmacher is a national political reporter and was previously the chief political correspondent for the Metro Desk. Before joining The Times in 2017, he worked at Politico, where he covered national Republican politics and the 2016 presidential campaign. He also served as chief White House correspondent for Politico in the first months of the Trump administration. Before that, he worked for National Journal magazine, where he covered both Congress and campaigns. There, he won the National Press Club’s Sandy Hume Award for Excellence in Political Journalism for a series on lobbyist-sponsored travel."

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« on: October 17, 2020, 01:29:47 PM »
Giuliani to release evidence implicating Joe Biden in a pay-for-play corruption scandal 10 days before election.

Giuliani interview with Daily Caller on Hunter Biden's laptop:

Flat Earth Theory / Re: UA and Gravitational Time Dilation
« on: October 17, 2020, 02:46:05 AM »
You agreed that time would dilate between the floor and ceiling in an upwardly accelerating rocket ship, so the same should occur between the floor and the ceiling in an experiment like NIST performed.

You're missing the point.

The NIST experiment showed that time dilation occurs at different elevations on earth; time dilation (according to relativity) is caused by different degrees of gravitational potential; therefore, the NIST experiment indicates that there are different degrees of gravitational potential at different elevations on the earth.

Different degrees of gravitational potential at different elevations on the earth, directly contradicts UA; the NIST experiment you cite on your wiki contradicts UA.

If the time dilation results are the same between floor and ceiling measurements in an upwardly accelerating rocket ship and floor and ceiling measurements in a room on Earth, then what is your point? The NIST doesn't say that it detected a difference that deviated from the Equivalence Principle which that says results on Earth would not be different than an upwardly accelerating rocket ship.

Your argument seems to hinge on your interpretation of the phrase "gravitational potential," which is irrelevant, since the effect would be the same.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« on: October 17, 2020, 02:14:45 AM »
That's not a good enough reason. If hospitals are playing games and using out of network doctors and causing medical bankruptcies, that can be fixed through legislation. I don't see why the entire field needs to be socialized if there is a single problem.

The people who are poor or old are largely already on the socialized programs. The socialized programs of Medicare and Medicaid already serve almost 160 million people combined.

Medicare - 61.2 Million
Medicaid - 97 Million

Much more than the 30 million figure cited. Considering the US population is 328.2 million, that's a lot. Medicine is already largely socialized. Medicaid even offers socialized supplemental insurance for people who are under-insured.

The 30 million figure appears to only refer to people who went without coverage at some point during the year: “Nearly 30 million Americans went without coverage at some point in 2019.” The Continuation of Health Coverage (COBRA) program allows you to bill medical claims to your previous insurance if you get sick for up to 18 months if they are transitioning between jobs, as long as you pay the rate your employer was paying. If you are unemployed for a long period of time then you should probably be on Medicaid. Medicaid can be applied for 60 days after losing your job, which some people neglect to apply for.

The actual number of chronically uninsured might be unaware of the socialized healthcare options available to them, are young and healthy, or don't care. If they get sick they know that they can just get insurance when they need it, since applicants are not judged for pre-existing conditions anymore.

Medicine is already socialized for those who need it. There is no reason to socialize it for people who can afford it. If it was totally socialized the people who could afford it would just be paying for it anyway via taxes, with an extra layer of government bureaucracy, and would likely get less options available to them. Right now young people can choose a cheaper catastrophic plan, and people willing to pay more can choose elaborate plans that include non-standard alternative practitioners or incidentals considered cosmetic by regular plans. If it was standardized by the government to a single plan there would be fewer options available. It also removes the competition aspect among insurance providers which naturally makes the standard plans employers buy cheaper.

Flat Earth Theory / Re: UA and Gravitational Time Dilation
« on: October 17, 2020, 01:19:30 AM »
You agreed that time would dilate between the floor and ceiling in an upwardly accelerating rocket ship, so the same should occur between the floor and the ceiling in an experiment like NIST performed.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« on: October 17, 2020, 01:14:59 AM »
But don't deny people health care based on risk factors they can't control.  The US healthcare system is a disaster. People shouldn't have to die because a corporation wants more profits.

There already is socialized medicine in the US. It's called medicaid for the poor and medicare for the old. Millions are on it, and use it to get healthcare.

Why should people who can afford healthcare get it too?

Flat Earth Theory / Re: UA and Gravitational Time Dilation
« on: October 17, 2020, 12:08:59 AM »
In a rocket ship accelerating 'upwards' through space at 1G there would be a time difference between the floor and the ceiling of the rocket. The time difference occurs in a rocket accelerating uniformly.

Gravitational Time Dilation

Gravitational Time Dilation is predicted by the Equivalence Principle, which suggests that two clocks at different altitudes will seem to measure time at different rates when compared to each other.

The Five Ages of the Universe: Inside the Physics of Eternity
By Fred C. Adams, PhD and Prof. Greg Laughlin

On p.116 of The Five Ages of the Universe (Archive), its authors describe gravitational time dilation by giving an analogy of an upwardly accelerating rocket in space which contains a clock attached to the ceiling and an astronaut sitting on the floor of the rocket with another clock. The astronaut on the floor first observes his own clock, and then observes the ceiling clock:

    “ however, he observes that the ceiling clock is running faster. The ceiling clock sends a tone (in the form of a radio wave) down to the floor. Because the floor is accelerating upwards, it intercepts the radio wave sooner than if the rocket were merely coasting along. If the acceleration continues, subsequent tones also arrive earlier than expected. In the viewpoint of the astronaut on the floor, the ceiling clock is broadcasting its time intervals at an increased rate, and is running fast compared to the floor clock.

    According to the equivalence principle, the phenomenon of mismatched clock rates, which occurs in response to the acceleration of a rocket, also occurs in a uniform gravitational field. The equivalence principle therefore insists on a seemingly bizarre conclusion. Two clocks at different heights above Earth's surface must measure the flow of time at different rates. This strange behavior is an intrinsic feature of gravity. The variation of the flow of time within a gravitational field is entirely independent of the mechanism used to measure time. Atomic clocks, quartz watches, and biological rhythms all experience the passage of time to be dilated or compressed in the same manner. ”

The authors explain that time dilation should be a natural consequence in an upwardly accelerating rocket, and acknowledge that its application to gravity on earth is "strange" and "bizarre".

Ex-Military member and Benghazi Whistleblower Nick Noe is on board, saw the evidence, re-tells the story, and explains what is coming. Hillary Clinton had Extortion 17 shot down with stinger missile. Treason.

0:00 to 8:00 - His background
8:00 to 14:00 End - Osama / Seal Team Six timeline

It was more than one team conducting the op according to the discussed claims.

So are you accepting that O'Neill was on the team that killed Bin Laden?  And that he is still alive?  So he was NOT murdered by Biden?

He may have been involved, but the news article I posted suggested that he may have lied about killing Bin Laden. And the assault team is not necessarily the same team performing the DNA tests and verification and body cleanup.

Why would they need to pick 15 members instead of taking one or two hundred team members?  Are you serious?  How else do you expect them to pick members of a dangerous and vital mission, randomly?

You don't know how the teams were involved in this, or any of the names involved. Don't pretend that you do.

Plus one of those team members is alive and talking and saying they know personally that the rest of the team is still alive.

There are a number of article stating that he lied about Osama.

Bin Laden Shooter Robert O’Neill Misstated Facts, Falsely Took Sole Credit: Report

Former special-operations officials accused Robert O’Neill, the one-time U.S. Navy SEAL who claimed to have shot dead Osama bin Laden, of misstating facts, and they criticized him for taking sole credit in the killing of the world’s then-most wanted man, the Daily Beast reported. The accusations came as O’Neill’s claim contradicted the description of the operation in a book by Matt Bissonnette, an ex-member of SEAL Team Six who took part in the raid against bin Laden.

While O’Neill claimed he fired two shots at bin Laden’s head at the al Qaeda leader’s compound in Pakistan’s Abbottabad, the SEAL’s former colleagues -- one of whom was within feet of O’Neill during the operation -- denied his claim. They said it was a still-unidentified man who fired the shot that killed bin Laden, who founded the group responsible for the terrorist attacks on America on Sept. 11, 2001, the Daily Beast reported.

One of the former special-ops officials also said O’Neill did not identify himself as the shooter at the “hot wash” debriefing after the attack conducted by senior officials. O’Neill later claimed to be bin Laden’s shooter to members of the public while drinking at some bars frequented by SEALs in Virginia Beach, Va., after he returned from his tour of duty. O’Neill’s claim led to his superiors to counsel him over discussing a classified operation, the Daily Beast reported.

O’Neill said in at least two separate interviews -- one published by the Washington Post Thursday and another published by Esquire in 2013 -- that the operation’s “point man” fired at bin Laden when the al Qaeda leader peeked through his bedroom door, but missed. O’Neill said he then fired, killing bin Laden. After the appearance of the Esquire article, Peter Bergen, a chronicler of bin Laden who was able to tour his compound after the raid, interviewed an unidentified SEAL Team Six member who said the account was “complete BS,” the Daily Beast reported.

Two sources stating that this person is giving false statements.

Another article:

The Washington Post published a story on Thursday quoting Rob O’Neill, a former SEAL, as claiming to have fired the fatal shot that hit bin Laden in the forehead after O’Neill stormed into a room in bin Laden’s house in Abbottabad.

The claim by O’Neill, who travels the country giving motivational speeches, was countered by a source close to another SEAL team member.

The source, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the team member told him the fatal shot was fired by one of two other men who entered the room before O’Neill.

The Post said O’Neill acknowledged shots were fired at bin Laden by at least two other Seal team members, including Matt Bissonnette, a former Seal who wrote a 2012 book about the raid entitled “No Easy Day.”

The book did not identify the person who shot bin Laden.

NBC News quoted Bissonnette on Thursday as saying: “Two different people telling two different stories for two different reasons ... Whatever he (O’Neill) says, he says. I don’t want to touch that.”

Last year, after Esquire Magazine published an interview with an anonymous SEAL member, now widely reported to have been O’Neill, who claimed to have shot bin Laden, other media outlets questioned the account.

So we have sources stating that this guy Robert O’Neill did not make the kill shot, entered the room later, and is full of lies. Therefore he wouldn't be credible enough to say whether it was a body double or not.

No. This has nothing to do with this or that platoon name. The government cover-up claims about the Osama Seals were made despite the platoon name. says that the members on board Extraction 17 were part of the DEVGRU that did the Osama raid.

The Costliest Day in SEAL Team Six History

"On August 6, 2011, insurgents shot down a Chinook transport helicopter in Afghanistan, killing all 38 people on board, including 15 Navy SEALS from Team Six’s Gold Squadron.


Of the 30 Americans killed, 22 were Navy personnel, and 17 were SEALs. These included two bomb specialists and 15 operators in the Gold Squadron of DEVGRU, or Team Six, the highly classified unit that conducted the raid that killed Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden at his compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan the previous May."

There are several squadrons that comprise DEVGRU. They are delineated by colours. Red Squadron carrier out Operation Neptune Spear, not Gold Squadron.  There is no evidence a member of Operation Neptune Spear was killed in that crash.

The government doesn't list out names of Seal Team Six members, so you wouldn't know that no one involved with Osama was killed in the crash.

The fact is that the Gold Squadron of DEVGRU of Seal Team Six are credited as the team that conducted the Bin Laden Raid.

Members of that team were on Extortion 17

Therefore it is false to say that no members of the team that conducted the Osama raid died.

'Operation Neptune Spear' refers to an operation name, not a team name.

No, Gold Squadron are not credited, Red Squadron is.  It is false to say they are dead when they were not even the same squadron and members of the team are still alive and talking.

You are seriously desperate for this to be true. Where is your source that it was Gold Squadron?

McRaven hand-picked a team drawing from the most experienced and senior operators from Red Squadron, one of four that make up DEVGRU. Red Squadron was coming home from Afghanistan and could be redirected without attracting attention. The team had language skills and experience with cross-border operations into Pakistan. Almost all the Red Squadron operators had ten or more deployments to Afghanistan.

Your quote just says that they hand picked some team members from the Red Squadron. Why would they need to hand pick members from Red Squadron to participate if it was Red Squadron that did it?

The whole operation likely involved multiple teams on some way, not just one, hence selecting from Red Team.

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