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Re: Trump
« Reply #13220 on: June 20, 2025, 04:06:06 PM »
So your criticism isn't criticism.  You just wanted more Trump.  Markjo's point stands: you have no criticism.  No questioning thoughts.  No disliked action.
I knew what his answer would be.
It’s like one of those answers to the “what would you say is your biggest weakness!” Interview questions.
“I think I’m too much of a workaholic and too committed to my employer”
 ;D

As for Trump’s approval rating…

https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker

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Re: Trump
« Reply #13221 on: June 22, 2025, 01:14:41 AM »
The "no new wars" president has now begun a war with Iran. On the one hand, this is an enormously unpopular move among Americans, thousands of innocent people will be killed, getting involved in wars in the Middle East never ends well for us, and Netanyahu is a liar and a war criminal who's almost certainly just looking to expand his ongoing genocide to another country, so nothing he says can be trusted. On the other hand, Trump really likes and admires Netanyahu, as he does all strongmen, and he really, really wants to impress him. So who's to say if this really is a good or bad move?
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« Reply #13222 on: June 22, 2025, 07:27:56 AM »
It's funny how he just ignores his own intelligence director then forces her to match him.

If Trump supporters don't see that his people are doing whatever he says, not what they should, they're brainwashed.
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« Reply #13223 on: June 22, 2025, 12:26:53 PM »
Trump single-handedly and personally destroyed the Iranian Nuclear treaty in 2018. Nations all over the world had negotiated with Iran and curtailed Iran's nuclear research. We had inspectors on the ground in the Iranian facilities, we had cameras watching production equipment. A number of countries were surveilling Iran.

Then a fat, orange man-child came stomping through yelling about the deal wasn't tough enough. He didn't want Iran to have nuthin. He was going to put together a deal so tough that he would have those people helplessly under his thumb. Like everything else he does, it was a complete failure and Iran went back to building bombs. Now we're starting a war.  Good work MAGA!

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Re: Trump
« Reply #13224 on: June 22, 2025, 09:59:43 PM »
https://www.newsweek.com/iran-parliament-vote-close-straits-hormuz-us-attacks-2088968

Will they?
Maybe.
I'm sure Trump will just launch missiles at them until they stop.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #13225 on: June 24, 2025, 05:26:25 AM »

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« Reply #13226 on: June 24, 2025, 05:37:52 AM »
Yes, if Trump says that everything is fine now, I for one certainly believe him. Trump wouldn't lie to us!
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« Reply #13227 on: June 24, 2025, 06:11:03 AM »
The conviction will get overturned on appeal.

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« Reply #13228 on: June 24, 2025, 07:39:03 AM »
Not sure he's being honest here.
He said he'd sort out the Ukraine thing very easily in a day and he did that*, so surely he wouldn't lie about this?

*lol
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« Reply #13229 on: June 24, 2025, 08:22:04 AM »
"Israel defence minister accuses Iran of violating ceasefire and orders ‘powerful strikes’ on Tehran"

From the BBC.

Well that went very well.
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« Reply #13230 on: June 24, 2025, 04:10:17 PM »
The "no new wars" president has now begun a war with Iran.

i was promised a war by all the talking heads. where is the war?

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« Reply #13231 on: June 24, 2025, 08:49:15 PM »
https://thehill.com/homenews/5365719-trump-israel-iran-ceasefire/

What a surprise! Trump was full of shit, and the war continues.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #13232 on: June 25, 2025, 08:25:08 AM »
https://thehill.com/homenews/5365719-trump-israel-iran-ceasefire/

What a surprise! Trump was full of shit, and the war continues.


No.  He is full of shit but, on this one, he seems to have pulled some strings and, 24 hours later, cease-fire is holding. 

Regarding his full-of-shitness, he's still claiming that Iraq's nuclear programme has been completely obliterated, despite his own intelligence organisations stating otherwise.  As usual, anyone who can't see the Emperor's new clothes is an unpatriotic "low level loser".  From a military aviation perspective, the planning and exection of the B-2 strike was outstanding and no other military on earth could have done it.  That is down to the equipment, training and courage of the Air Force, but Trump undoubtedly needed balls to authorise it. 

As usual, of course, his narrative of the outcome is entirely driven by his big orange ego.  He can't bring himself to publicly concede that any of his projects is less than a 100% success. 

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« Reply #13233 on: June 25, 2025, 08:44:55 AM »
Sounds to me like Trump announced the cease fire before anyone else was ready to.  Or Iran was done because the US attack did nothing substantial.
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« Reply #13234 on: June 25, 2025, 09:02:47 AM »
Whisper it quietly, but he might have got this one right.
The ceasefire is holding, for now. Early days yet of course.
And naturally he's going "laa laa laa, can't hear you" at all the intelligence indicating the striker might have not been quite as effective at obliterating the Iranian nuclear sites as he's claiming.

I wonder what is wrong with him that he has to always claim the superlative, always be so absolute. All the "they said this was the greatest..." stuff. Who are "they"? And was it the greatest? (That's just an example, not referring to anything specific, just generally the way he talks such utter bollocks all the time.)
Tom: "Claiming incredulity is a pretty bad argument. Calling it "insane" or "ridiculous" is not a good argument at all."

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« Reply #13235 on: June 25, 2025, 09:12:37 AM »
Whisper it quietly, but he might have got this one right.
The ceasefire is holding, for now. Early days yet of course.
And naturally he's going "laa laa laa, can't hear you" at all the intelligence indicating the striker might have not been quite as effective at obliterating the Iranian nuclear sites as he's claiming.

I wonder what is wrong with him that he has to always claim the superlative, always be so absolute. All the "they said this was the greatest..." stuff. Who are "they"? And was it the greatest? (That's just an example, not referring to anything specific, just generally the way he talks such utter bollocks all the time.)
He was raised to believe himself to be the best.  His brain is just broken and now everything has to be at the extreme.  Either extreme great (because he's never wrong according to everyone he pays), or extreme bad (for everything against him).
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« Reply #13236 on: June 25, 2025, 10:18:23 AM »
The "no new wars" president has now begun a war with Iran.

i was promised a war by all the talking heads. where is the war?
If someone else was asking the question, I would reply, " Ask harder."

But, I don't think you want a war.
To be honest I am getting pretty bored of this place.

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« Reply #13237 on: June 25, 2025, 11:37:59 AM »
Whisper it quietly, but he might have got this one right.
The ceasefire is holding, for now. Early days yet of course.
And naturally he's going "laa laa laa, can't hear you" at all the intelligence indicating the striker might have not been quite as effective at obliterating the Iranian nuclear sites as he's claiming.

I wonder what is wrong with him that he has to always claim the superlative, always be so absolute. All the "they said this was the greatest..." stuff. Who are "they"? And was it the greatest? (That's just an example, not referring to anything specific, just generally the way he talks such utter bollocks all the time.)
He was raised to believe himself to be the best.  His brain is just broken and now everything has to be at the extreme.  Either extreme great (because he's never wrong according to everyone he pays), or extreme bad (for everything against him).
Trump's behavior is easily explained by his megalomaniacal, narcissistic, Main Character Syndrome. What's harder to explain is his legions of idiotic followers believing it.
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« Reply #13238 on: June 25, 2025, 08:22:40 PM »
If someone else was asking the question, I would reply, " Ask harder."

But, I don't think you want a war.

of course i dont. what normal human would actually want a war (aside from people who get paid to talk about how there should be a war). maybe i need to switch to journalism, id love to make 20% 70%+ or less than i do now to yell at people why war is coming. also, trump bad, two more weeks, etc...
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« Reply #13239 on: June 26, 2025, 01:22:52 AM »
I don't agree with the people giving even grudging credit to Trump over this. Trump clearly said that there was a ceasefire, and Israel and Iran clearly disregarded him and continued their war. The fact that at a later time Israel and Iran really did agree on a ceasefire doesn't somehow ripple back through time and imbue Trump's impotent declaration with retroactive relevance. No, Trump was bullshitting, because he's a thoroughly stupid man and a habitual liar, and he almost certainly played a very limited role (at best) in the actual ceasefire.
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