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Suggestions & Concerns / Session problems on the Wiki
« on: November 29, 2019, 06:20:25 AM »
It seems that after a recent Wiki software update I have a hard time staying logged in. After logging in and going to make an edit, the Wiki will log me out when I go to press submit. After several attempts I might get an edit to go through. It is happening on Chrome and Firefox on a desktop, as well as Chrome on an Android phone.

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Flat Earth Community / Flat Earth Quote Collection
« on: October 17, 2019, 04:15:13 AM »
A thread for discussion and sharing of miscellaneous quotes on topics related to everyone's favorite subject, Flat Earth. Not intended to be a debate thread.

I recently came across an excellent quote by science historian Dr. James Hannam:

“Although we condemn flat-Earth thinking as an example of foolish ignorance, a spherical Earth is actually counterintuitive. It’s such a radical idea that it has been ‘discovered’ only once, in Athens after 400 BCE. The concept of the Earth being round didn’t appear in any other civilisation. India and the Islamic world learnt it from the Greeks, while China had to wait until the Jesuits arrived in the 16th century and turned the Chinese view of the Universe upside down.”
            —Historian of science Dr. James Hannam, author of "God’s Philosophers: How the Medieval World Laid the Foundations of Modern Science"

The question is, where do we put it?

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Flat Earth Media / The Principle Movie
« on: October 10, 2019, 04:57:07 PM »
This post contains spoilers.

I came across this meme about The Principle, and the quotes caught my eye:



If that website full of falsities is trying to discredit it then there must be some truth to it.

So, I decided to finally watch Robert Sungenis' geocentrism movie The Principle. The movie consists of a mix of science history and interviews with famous physicists who were apparently interviewed believing that they were going to be part of a regular cosmology documentary.

The movie starts with them describing the Copernican Principle which states we are unimportant and with Lawrence Krauss screaming "we are nothing!!" We then join the physcists on a journey of discovery to make sense of cosmological data suggesting that we are central.

The common line about this movie is that scientists were "misquoted," but there is no mistaking that they are saying things like "it really looks like we are at the center of the universe... but don't worry, it only looks that way!", that there are large scale phenomena in the universe aligned with the earth and ecliptic, that it is really weird that experiments show that we are not moving, and that if the earth was the center of the universe it would solve many problems in cosmology.

The movie ends on a feel-good note. Maybe a little theological misquoting at the end... but "misquoted" or not, the statements are fairly interesting. At the end of it all, and after all of their challenges and struggles to make sense of nature, our cosmologist interviewees finally find God and admit that the earth is a very special place at the center of the universe. A happy ending.

A free streaming version is available on archive.org: https://archive.org/details/ThePrinciple

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Flat Earth Media / Another Picture in Favor of Flat Earth
« on: September 17, 2019, 11:45:40 PM »
Taboo Conspiracy and Wide Awake submit another piece of evidence to the pile. Runtime: 2:34



Clearly, each light is affected by different refraction gradients of differing magnitudes, which unwrap the lights from around the ball to put the light sources onto a plane.

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Flat Earth Media / NASA: Going Nowhere Since 1958
« on: July 21, 2019, 06:53:44 AM »
To celebrate the 50th anniversary of the moon landing Jeran Campanella explores the interesting history of NASA and it's relationship with politics since its inception in 1958. The film features several rarely seen clips, such as from president Kennedy speaking semi-privately about how he didn't really care about space, the Moon, or research, only the international order and defense implications.

Runtime: 1h


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Help me understand the direction of the Solar Eclipse.

According to what we observe:

- The Sun sets in the West.
- The Moon sets in the West.

Ask an Astronomer: "The Earth rotates counter-clockwise on its axis (picture a spinning top). Because of this motion, celestial bodies such as the Sun, Moon and stars appear to rise in the eastern sky and set in the western sky."

The Aug 2017 Path of Totality for the solar eclipse Started on the West Coast of the United States and ended on the East Coast.



If we observe the earth from the perspective of the sun, from a static point over the earth, the shadow of the moon would appear on the East Coast first and end on the West Coast.



When pressed for an answer, some have that it started in the West because the Moon is traveling around the Earth from West to East. However, if we have the Moon rotating around the Earth faster than Earth's rotation, then we should see the Moon set in the East every day.

How does this work?

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Flat Earth Media / Jeranism - Cosmology Has Some Big Problems
« on: May 07, 2019, 03:01:54 AM »
Jeran has a new video; a reading of a Scientific American article which depicts the problems of cosmology, essentially calling it a folktale. Runtime 40m


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In wake of the recent Black Hole picture Jeran discusses Nar Holes, the hypothetical cousin to Black Holes. Runtime: 22m


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Flat Earth Community / Wiki: Occam's Razor and Burden of Proof
« on: April 17, 2019, 01:57:37 PM »
I am considering whether or not to de-list the Occam's Razor and Burden of Proof articles from the main pages. They come from the early era of the other website, and can be interpreted as mainly trolling. However, it is possible that they are not trolling.

https://wiki.tfes.org/Occam%27s_Razor

https://wiki.tfes.org/Burden_of_Proof

If either or both should stay, or if they should be rewritten, how should it be done and what should they say? These are subjects that come up on a regular basis.

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Flat Earth Community / Dr. John D. Bedford Canal Experiments
« on: April 08, 2019, 10:51:43 PM »
Dr. John D. will be performing experiments on the Bedford Canal on April 13th. I find the matter to be interesting because, other than an attempt some time back that encountered lots of heat effects and extreme distortion in the distance, there have been no good modern repeats of the experiment on this canal.



Initial reconnaissance video from March 31st:


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Flat Earth Media / How Einstein Made the Earth Move
« on: March 24, 2019, 02:02:38 AM »
A good video by Jeran and Robert Sungenis. Not many people know that Einstein developed relativity as a way to explain evidence that the earth was not in motion around the sun.



Pdf here

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Jeran talks about the horizontal image compression which is said to bring out the curvature of the earth. Runtime 9m


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Flat Earth Community / FE Core Mechanical Gyro Test
« on: March 07, 2019, 10:38:52 PM »
On YouTube there are numerous mechanical gyro tests which show no rotation beneath the earth. People have taken time lapse videos of gyroscopes, showing that over long periods of time that the earth does not rotate beneath it. The common rebuttal to this experiment is that the gyroscopes are "not sensitive enough."

I am interested in the following FE Core project:

Mechanical Gyro Motion Testing

https://fecore.org/project/mechanical-gyro-motion-testing/

FE Core is building a mechanical gyroscope with a base that can simulate the rotation of the earth.



"The bearing at the base of the gyro can be turned by a control circuit and a series of step down gears at rates slow enough to simulate between 5° to 70° per hour earth rotation in either direction."

The base of the gyro acts as a control to the validity of the device. If the gyro can detect the rotation of the base, then it should be able to detect the rotation of the earth. A performance of this experiment with no drift would provide an experiment that is difficult to impeach.

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This one is a bit long, but interesting. Jeran presents a marathon of quotes from various physcists and astronomers who make statements along the lines that Heliocentrism and diunral motion are untenable or unverified, and that rejection of evidence or the invocation of illusions are used to explain failings. Runtime 3h:


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Announcements / On "Behind The Curve"
« on: March 01, 2019, 07:15:45 PM »
It has come to our attention that a documentary titled Behind the Curve has appeared on Netflix and is introducing significant numbers of new people into the Flat Earth discussions. After viewing this piece we feel that the work depicts a poorly researched Flat Earth Theory. It should be noted that the Flat Earth Society was not consulted with the science of the documentary and that the topics discussed should be further researched.

Questions have come up about the light experiment at the end of the film. We point to the following from an account of a self-proclaimed Round Earth proponent who was present at the Jeran event [archive link] :

"In about 10 tries, with the light held waist-high at 17 feet above water we never clearly saw it through the center panel hole. On one of the attempts, maybe the fourth of ten, we clearly saw it when Enrique lifted it over his head. On that one, Jeran asked him to raise it and lower it a few times, and it would appear when Enrique raised it and vanish when he lowered it. That was the "gasp" moment. Jeran said, "that's interesting." I noted it was the prediction for a round Earth. When they repeated the whole procedure, it did not happen again. I suggested having Enrique move from side-to-side a bit when occluded by the panel, in case it was lateral alignment that was off. Jeran accepted the suggestion, but it made no observable difference."

Of about ten observations, the fourth observation was the only one where the event occurred, and the only one which was published in the documentary. Nine of the ten trials did not see the event. The above description of inconsistency suggests the presence of curving light rays in the experiment—refraction. The manner in which the experiment was portrayed in the film by the producers further suggests dishonesty. The documentary does not show the times the event did not occur. Misrepresentation of this nature is called scientific fraud. Had the results of all ten trials been honestly presented it would have, assuredly, been a far different segment.

It should be noted that time lapse photography has shown that the curvature of light rays across long distances can be a regular occurrence. Since ancient times, mankind has used this inconsistent effect as a primary piece of evidence that the Earth was spherical 1.

Per the Ring Laser Gyroscope, the claim that this device can see the rotation of the Earth is the latest in the controversy between Copernicans and Anti-Copernicans on the matter of the Earth's rotation. From the era of Ptolemy, to Tycho Brahe, to conflicts of the Victorian Era, and even to attempts in present day, science has been engaged in the attempt of finding direct and conclusive evidence for the rotation of the Earth 2. When assessing the Ring Laser Gyroscope studies of Earth's rotation, we find that the device does not appear to be measuring the Earth's rotation directly 3.

Regarding other social aspects of the film as presented by Delta-v Productions, we may only comment that it is a non-compelling argument to consult with psychologists rather than to seek the consultation of scientists and experimenters on combating the Flat Earth movement and demonstrating truth on empirical grounds. The Flat Earth Society values scientific integrity and demands direct, conclusive, and repeatable evidence that our Earth is a globe.

Footnotes:

1 Sinking Ship Effect Caused by Refraction - Information on the Sinking Ship Effect
2 Coriolis Effect - Information on the Coriolis Effect and historical attempts to determine rotation
3 Ring Laser Gyroscope - Resource on the claim of the Ring Laser Gyroscope observing Earth's rotation

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Suggestions & Concerns / Front Page Response to Behind the Curve
« on: February 27, 2019, 09:03:45 PM »
We should publish a front page response to Behind the Curve like we did with the Logan Paul situation. The work depicts a poorly researched Flat Earth Theory. Netflix is bringing numerous people into the Flat Earth discussions and they are introduced with this documentary.

I would suggest writing an announcement that the Flat Earth Society was not consulted in the science of the documentary and that the topics discussed should be further researched, with some further details around that.

We should also link to the following resources:

https://wiki.tfes.org/Ring_Laser_Gyroscope (updated)
https://wiki.tfes.org/Sinking_Ship_Effect_Caused_By_Refraction

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Flat Earth Media / Bill Nye's Flat Earth Mental Breakdown
« on: February 24, 2019, 05:48:56 PM »
Bill Nye the Science Guy seems to be having a mental breakdown over this Flat Earth business. A humorous collection of clips and cuts of Nye's Flat Earth statements.



Video Description: "This is a short lighthearted video highlighting Bill Nye's ridiculous straw man arguments and his concern other the growing number of people questioning the true nature and shape of our Earth."

Notice how Bill Nye's response is "everyone knows..." and "go to the edge if that's what you think" rather than "RET was conclusively proven hundreds of years ago by xyz studies/experiments/researchers"

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Flat Earth Media / Himawari 8 Satellite Analysis
« on: January 25, 2019, 01:24:16 AM »
An interesting analysis of the Hamarawi 8 satellite. Documents are found on NOAA's FTP that the underlying model is the Blue Marble dataset.

The Himawari 8 is the weather satellite which is supposedly far enough from the earth to take continuous photos of the whole half of the earth it is over


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Classic moon hoax media that was never posted here. Bill Kaysing worked with NASA and says that they did not go to the moon.


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Flat Earth Community / Pole to Pole Trip Cancelled
« on: January 24, 2019, 11:35:08 PM »
There is an eleven thousand dollar flight which supposedly goes around the world from Pole to Pole. A YouTube user named greatersapien set up a Kickstarter and collected 20 thousand dollars from the public to "prove flat earth wrong".

https://youtu.be/QE7b6Os3TlM

He collects the 20k, buys the ticket from the company, his camera equipment, and guess what happened? The company stopped responding to him and disappeared with the money.


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