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Flat Earth Media / International Shipping Agent
« on: July 04, 2020, 12:38:16 AM »
This person appeared on Mark Sargent's show, and had some interesting comments regarding International Shipping and the shape of the Earth. He says that the routes do not make the logical RE routes. Oakland to Guam routes through Alaska rather than Hawaii; shipments from South America to the rest of the world route through the US.

Runtime: 9m


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Flat Earth Projects / The Atlantic Split
« on: July 03, 2020, 10:32:06 PM »
I am looking into a variant map to the Bi-Polar model, which I call the Atlantic Split. In this variant the split occurs in the Atlantic Ocean rather than the Pacific Ocean.

Link to Bi-Polar Model overview: https://wiki.tfes.org/Bi-Polar_Model

I was able to derive a rough draft version the Atlantic Split as generated from an old version of the nullschool webapp: https://web.archive.org/web/20170731230036/https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/ocean/surface/currents/overlay=primary_waves/azimuthal_equidistant=-205.32,21.99,115/loc=154.680,-89.951



Now, the continents might not look exactly like that, as this website has limited ways to warp the map. My idea of the Atlantic Split is that the African and South American continents are on the Left and Right sides of the world. Africa or South America might be smaller or less warped in shape than what is depicted. Again, there is limited control over this aid map. The continents South America and Africa should be considered to be blobs on the sides of the map.

At first glance Africa and South America seem quite abnormal, as compared to the ones we see on the Mercator Map. However, consider the Peter's Projection. The Peter's Projection supposedly provides a more accurate depiction of the continents in terms of land mass. The size of Africa and South America are much bigger in this map.



https://www.oxfordcartographers.com/our-maps/peters-projection-map/

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Maps not only represent the world, they shape the way we see it. The revolutionary Peters Projection map presents countries in their true proportion to one another: it has been adopted by the UN, aid agencies, schools and businesses around the world.

WHAT IS THE PETERS MAP

The Peters World Map is an Equal Area cylindrical projection with standard parallels at 45 degrees thus resulting in a distortion of shape which is stretched about the equator and squashed towards the poles, but having the great advantage that all countries are correct in size in relation to each other.

So, it is possible that Africa and South America are much larger than normally depicted.

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Flat Earth Projects / FAQ Improvements - 'Spotlight Sun'
« on: June 15, 2020, 09:41:02 PM »
On FAQ improvements, I think that we should to rephrase the term 'spotlight' in the FAQ. Perhaps change it to a 'circular area of light' upon the earth. This will eliminate the "how can the sun be a spotlight??" question that comes up now and then.

Are there any objections to this?

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There is a 2019 European Journal of Physics paper called What the gravitation of a flat Earth would look like and why thus the Earth is not actually flat, written by two Theoretical Physicists. Summarily they apply universal gravitation to an FE disk and conclude that it won't work and so the Earth can't be flat.

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Abstract

This paper analyzes the calculation of the gravitational field of a disc-shaped
mass. This model, corresponding to the infamous flat Earth, is discussed in
detail.



This is similar to the approach many others take: Instead of looking into the matter they proceed to make up their own arguments for something which may not even be believed or part of any model. A cursory search will show what FE theorists actually say about gravity, even if not about UA. There is also the universal gravitation with an infinite earth model, and even the (IMO incorrect) "gravity = buoyancy" arguments that are generally unsupported here, but proposed by the FE'ers on Youtube. It's not really hard to find what FE says about gravity. The subject of gravity is one of the first things you learn about FE when doing research into the matter.

If one reads the paper, they also argue against themselves: "Flat-Earthers strike back? Let us consider first that the disc of the flat Earth is rotating in its plane" and then conclude that doesn't work either, like anyone ever actually proposed that as a gravity solution.

This is all like someone arguing that "RE can't work because water would just fall off the ball earth"... totally disregarding what is proposed and believed.

One of the first steps in the investigational method of the Scientific Method is to "research as much about your subject as you can".  At least address the first thing you come up with from a cursory search on the matter, not something that you make up yourself. It appears that not only do Theoretical Physcists have trouble satisfying the experimentation part of the Scientific Method, they have trouble with performing cursory research as well.

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Flat Earth Projects / greenolive's Flat Earth model
« on: May 26, 2020, 12:25:32 AM »
I notice that we have a new user, greenolive, who has some interesting ideas for a Flat Earth. I'm not really sure where he got his model from, and had honestly thought it may have been nonsense at first, but it appears that he put some thought into it. New and different FE models can give some food for thought, regardless of the motivation.

From his elaborate posts I gather that:

- The wider world cosmology looks like the features in the Brazilian map. The physical earth is generally square or diamond in shape. Yellow square part is Antarctica, blue circle is the habitable earth.



- The land elevation of Antarctica gradually rises as you proceed from the shore to the edge.

- There is a middle North Pole and two South Poles aligned in a vertical line within the blue part of that map: A Northern Geographic South Pole (top), a North Pole (middle) and a Southern Geographic South Pole (bottom). Reminds me of the FE model in the old The Anti-Newtonian book.

- There may be continents of ice at either of those two South Poles (unclear).

- Although the North Pole is the middle pole, Mt. Zion is at the physical center of the world.

- The general continental layout sort of looks like the classic FE Monopole map. The southern continents are re-positioned and are either further or closer to each other than depicted in the Monopole map.

- The southern tip of Africa points to the bottom (Southern) geographic South Pole. The southern tips of South America and Australia point towards the top (Northern) geographic South Pole.

Is that right? Is there anything else you can tell us about your model, greenolive?

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According to the Round Earth Theory of the seasons the Earth is tilted on its axis and revolving around the Sun.



During the summer the Northern Hemisphere is pointed at the Sun we get long days. During winter the Northern Hemisphere is pointed away from the Sun and we get short days.

In London on June Solstice the length day is about 16:38:19
In London on December Solstice the length of day is about 7:49:42

Quite a difference.

Now, if the Earth is sometimes tilted one way and then sometimes tilted the other way in the solar system, shouldn't we also expect the planets in the plane of the Solar System to also adhere to the seasons? Like the Sun, during some parts of the year Jupiter should stay longer in the sky and during other parts of the year Jupiter should stay shorter in the sky.

If we take the Sun out of the picture, this tilting of the Earth should affect any body in plane of the Solar System the same way. Jupiter doesn't really move that fast around the Sun over the course of an Earth year, revolving about once around the Sun every 12 years, and can be considered relatively static over the course of an Earth year.

The free astronomy program Stellarium has a dynamic Altitude. vs Time chart available in the left hand 'Astronomical calculations' menu which graphs the altitude of celestial bodies by time. If you open this graph and select or search for an object in Stellarium it will display its properties on this graph in red. I chose Jupiter (red). There is also a tickbox to 'also graph for the Sun', which I checked, and the Sun appears in blue. The dotted lines are twilight.

For Jupiter on 3-21-2018 (Equinox)



For Jupiter on 6-21-2018 (June Solstice)



For Jupiter on 9-21-2018 (Equinox)



For Jupiter on 12-21-2018 (December Solstice)



It appears that Jupiter never receives anything like the 16.5 hour days like that of the Sun. It's pretty much the same throughout this year, even if I increment the months by one month at a time throughout the year, rather than three months.

Can our astronomy experts here kindly explain why Jupiter does not seem to adhere to the seasons?

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Earth Not a Globe Workshop / Religious View of the Enlightenment
« on: May 18, 2020, 07:59:49 PM »
Since this project stated years ago I found myself more focused on describing the physical Flat Earth Theory, which I have documented from the general arguments from various forum discussions and put on the Wiki, rather than here. I think that we are generally satisfied with most of the often discussed issues except for the nature and layout of the South, which I believe future generations will tackle (I have never really put much effort into it, but recognize that there are many more variables to consider than commonly assumed, especially when questioning the assumptions).

Lately I have been meaning to focus my FE activities back to non-physical aspects.

For instance, did you know that father of modern physics, Issac Newton, had some pretty interesting religious views, including a belief that he was chosen by God? See the work of professor Robert Iliffe:

https://www.history.ox.ac.uk/people/professor-robert-iliffe

Robert Iliffe
Professor of the History of Science
Linacre College

"Rob Iliffe is Professor of History of Science at Oxford, Co-Director of the Oxford Centre for the History of Science, Medicine and Technology, and a General Editor of the Newton Project."

From a video titled Professor Rob Iliffe on Newton, Science and Religion:

    "Newton himself is a deeply devout and radical original Christian thinker. He's not a member of any Church, he's not always serving as a minister in the church, but he's somebody who spends virtually all of his life in this extraordinary quest to understand how Christianity had, in his eyes, come to be corrupted. He's somebody who certainly believes in natural theology. He believes that his own role as a natural philosopher is a religious role. He believes that doing natural philosophy is reading the book of God, but he's somebody who does a lot more than that, and he spends most of his time and he devotes his life to doing theology. He's somebody who believes he's one of the elect. He's specially chosen by God. He will reign with Christ in the Millennium. So he thinks he's a very special boy, and that that kind of self belief, that radical immense self belief, energizes the originality of his work in mathematics, physics, and theology itself."

    ~

    "Newton privately is a man who writes millions and millions of words on theology, on the apocalypse, on the Whore of Babylon, the woman in the wilderness, the two horned and ten horned beasts, but publicly he's somebody who doesn't seem to be that religious. He doesn't seem to be that devout and that view of Newton is quite clear in the 18th century. It's only in the 19th century and the 20th century that we've come to understand the deep religiosity that Newton had, this immense undertaking that he did for many hours and each day of his life of studying the Bible."

    ~

    "Newton's achievements in science were so great that he was worthy of being worshipped, that in the eyes of one of his followers, Etienne Louis Boule, that it was worth creating a gigantic Cenotaph that was dedicated to the life and works of Isaac Newton. And some people have laughed at Boule's project, certainly people in the 18th century in Anglican England would have been dismayed by it, even though Newton was of course their great hero. But what I think it shows in a sort of pre-figurative way is the way in which science can become a form of religion.

    It can in some aspects take on the character of that thing that it sets itself against, and what you see in a number of people in the late 18th century and 19th century is a developing anti-religious animus that takes on the character of the very people that they hate. People become deeply upset that people still believe in religion. They preach the truth of science, they preach the necessity of Newtonian physics and other kinds of physics. They take on the the kind of evangelizing and proselytizing characteristics of that very practice that they detest so much."

Professor Iliffe appears to go as far as to say that Newton's science movement was a religion by another name.

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Flat Earth Projects / UA Circular Motion Theory
« on: May 06, 2020, 07:19:33 PM »
Sometime back Sandokan had suggested that the acceleration and speed buildup in UA might seem more reasonable if the Earth was undergoing circular motion on a very large scale at an unnoticeable radius. I assume that he had meant something like this:



The Earth is presumably in some sort of cosmic flow or vortex. In this way the Earth does not really gain speed in relation to the rest of the universe after making a complete circuit around the phenomenon.

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Flat Earth Media / 'Most Popular Flat Earth Documentary'
« on: April 11, 2020, 12:56:10 AM »
I don't usually watch the long YouTube Flat Earth documentaries, as I'm not a fan of the YouTube FE model, but I found one which is more about social commentary which I found entertaining and had some content I've never seen before.

'Most Popular Flat Earth Documentary' - Runtime 1h:40m



Themes:

- Standards of Evidence
- Trust in Government
- Faith in Authority

Favorite parts:

Neil deGrasse Tyson: "You oughta put something in context; If you want to do something with three and a half trillion dollars, you can do whatever you want. Whatever you judge to be important to the profile of the nation you are trying to build and sustain."

@26:57
Reynolds: Beck, you're wasting our time, you're not going to get us to not believe in evolution.
Beck: And why is that?
Reynolds: The smartest scientists in all the world agree that it's real.
Beck: I'm glad that you brought it up. These were all the smartest scientists (points to pictures). The only problem is, they kept being wrong.

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Flat Earth Projects / Update to the Lunar Eclipse page
« on: April 09, 2020, 05:09:32 PM »
I have made an update to the Lunar Eclipse page, turning it into  a "main page" which describes the EA and Shadow Object mechanisms for the Lunar Eclipse. Previously only the Shadow Object view was described on this page. The content of the previous page was moved to a page called "Lunar Eclipse due to Shadow Object".

https://wiki.tfes.org/The_Lunar_Eclipse


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The explanation for the Moon Tilt Illusion in RE is an effect of perspective.

When viewing the Moon Tilt Illusion, the Moon will often be tilted upwards:





RE Theorists explain this as result of a perspective effect, as so:



Zoomed out:



The Moon will tilt upwards, like if standing in the middle of a long hallway, and seeing the edges of that hallway dip down when looking to the left and right:



We are standing in the middle of the hallway, and the Moon travels across the ceiling, pointing upwards or downwards in relation to our position. When it approaches us the Moon pointing upwards, and when it passes by and recedes from us, we see the Moon pointing downwards. In order to tilt upwards and downwards to perspective, or for any perspective changes, we must see different sides of the body.



As an object travels across the Hallway past us we must see different parts of it as it tilts, turns, and changes orientation to perspective. RE responds by saying that the Moon is physically tidally locked to the Earth, that the face is always pointing at us, and we are seeing perspective changes of the shadow upon the lunar surface as the Moon approaches and recedes from us.

Moon Phase Diagram

If we are seeing different sides of the light and dark part of the Moon point upwards and downwards due to perspective, the phases can be illustrated as in the below diagram.

An observer located at E1 observes the Moon traveling between points M8, M1, and M2 due to its movement over time. The Moon tilts upwards to the left of the observer at M8, at a right angle overhead at M1, and downwards to the right of the observer at M2. 



If this is true, and we are viewing different sides of the phases due to perspective changes, then it would suggest that observers at points E8 and E6 at the same moment in time should see different sides of the Full Moon (M7).

Yet, we know that all observers see a Full Moon at once. How can this be reconciled in the Round Earth theory of extreme perspective changes that is invoked to explain the Moon Tilt Illusion?

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Surprise surprise, Vitamin C is found to successfully treat the Coronavirus.

https://www.europereloaded.com/news-media-attacks-vitamin-c-treatment-of-covid-19-coronavirus-video/

    Here is a verified official statement from China’s Xi’an Jiaotong University Second Hospital:

    “On the afternoon of February 20, 2020, another 4 patients with severe coronavirus pneumonia recovered from the C10 West Ward of Tongji Hospital. In the past 8 patients have been discharged from hospital. . . High-dose vitamin C achieved good results in clinical applications. We believe that for patients with severe neonatal pneumonia, and for critically ill patients, vitamin C treatment should be initiated as soon as possible after admission. Numerous studies have shown that the dose of vitamin C has a lot to do with the effect of treatment. High-dose vitamin C can not only improve antiviral levels, but more importantly, can prevent and treat acute lung injury (ALI) and acute respiratory distress (ARDS).”

    Here is a report from Korea:

    “At my hospital in Daegu, South Korea, all inpatients and all staff members have been using vitamin C orally since last week. Some people this week had a mild fever, headaches and coughs, and those who had symptoms got 30,000 mg intravenous vitamin C. Some people got better after about two days, and most had symptoms go away after one injection.” (Hyoungjoo Shin, M.D.)

    There are at least three high-dose intravenous vitamin C studies underway in China. Literally by the truckload, tons of vitamin C has been sent into Wuhan.

    Here is a report from a physician in China:

    “We need to broadcast a message worldwide very quickly: Vitamin C (small or large dose) does no harm to people and is the one of the few, if not the only, agent that has a chance to prevent us from getting, and can treat, COVID-19 infection. When can we, medical doctors and scientists, put patients’ lives first?” (Richard Z. Cheng, MD, PhD, International Vitamin C China Epidemic Medical Support Team Leader)

Indeed, China is now officially recommending Vitamin C as treatment:

https://worldhealth.net/news/official-statement-china-recommended-treatment-covid-19/

    "Confirming the reports from small independent studies and 3 clinical trials, the Shanghai government has announced a recommendation to use high dose intravenous treatment of vitamin C to treat COVID-19, according to the Orthomolecular Medicine News Service.

    The announced official recommendation that COVID-19 should be treated with high doses of intravenous vitamin C come as welcomed news as the virus continues to spread. The dosage recommendation will vary with the severity of illness ranging from 50-200 milligrams per kilogram body weight per day to as much as 16,000 mg/kg/day."

Also announced here: http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n16.shtml

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Flat Earth Media / Frozen Lake Proves Flat Earth
« on: February 20, 2020, 11:27:21 PM »
The Wider Flat Earth movement is finally starting to reproduce Rowbotham's other convexity experiments which involve multiple points aligned onto a plane:

Frozen Lake Proves Flat Earth (Runtime 3m23s)



This experiment is similar to Experiment 2 in ENAG:

https://wiki.tfes.org/Experimental_Evidence#Experiment_Two

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Experiment Two

From Experiment Two of Earth Not a Globe we read:

    “ Along the edge of the water, in the same canal, six flags were placed, one statute mile from each other, and so arranged that the top of each flag was 5 feet above the surface. Close to the last flag in the series a longer staff was fixed, bearing a flag 3 feet square, and the top of which was 8 feet above the surface of the water--the bottom being in a line with the tops of the other and intervening flags, as shown in the following diagram, Fig, 4. ”

             

    “ On looking with a good telescope over and along the flags, from A to B, the line of sight fell on the lower part of the larger flag at B. The altitude of the point B above the water at D was 5 feet, and the altitude of the telescope at A above the water at C was 5 feet; and each intervening flag had the same altitude. Hence the surface of the water C, D, was equidistant from the line of sight A, B; and as A B was a right line, C, D, being parallel, was also a right line; or, in other words, the surface of the water, C, D, was for six miles absolutely horizontal.

    If the earth is a globe, the series of flags in the last experiment would have had the form and produced the results represented in the diagram, Fig. 5. The water curvating from ”

             

    “ C to D, each flag would have been a given amount below the line A, B. The first and second flags would have determined the direction of the line of sight from A to B, and the third flag would have been 8 inches below the second; the fourth flag, 32 inches; the fifth, 6 feet; the sixth, 10 feet 8 inches; and the seventh, 16 feet 8 inches; but the top of the last and largest flag, being 3 feet higher than the smaller ones, would have been 13 feet 8 inches below the line of sight at the point B. ”

On analysis of this experiment, if the earth were a globe, one important remark would be that it is quite the coincidence that the flags all experienced the Flat Earth refraction effect, one by one, all the way down to the end, which projected each flag into the air at the exact height they needed to be at in order to make things look flat in accordance with the distance looked across and the height of the observer.

There are multiple control points in this experiment and others. Each point is a test in the experiment. Incredible refraction coincidences would need to occur to account for them. The top of the first flag would have to have been projected 8 inches into the air, the second flag 2.67 feet, the third flag 6 feet, the fourth flag 10.6 feet, the fifth flag 14.29 feet, and the sixth flag 24.01 feet into the air, when the later flags should be below the horizon. Rowbotham is well aware of the "it was refraction" argument, and his experiment is designed to test the refraction of light rays on the flags of constant height against the taller flag at the end. The observation is artificially manipulated—controlled—to separate one explanation from another, in the effort to more truthfully determine a cause of an observation.

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Flat Earth Community / Should we have a section on Religion?
« on: February 19, 2020, 06:25:25 PM »
We usually don't talk about religion in the Wiki, but it may be an important enough topic that we could have some information. The other website has a Mythology and Religion section that has some nice information, although the title seems to tie 'Mythology' with religion.

It would be be nice to compile all of the Flat Earth scriptural arguments and verses in one location for further reference. The section should disclaim that not everyone believes in the religious aspects of FE, but that we are providing a resource.

The only thing I would suggest for it is that it portrays the religious arguments as possible interpretations, rather than certain ones. Not everyone agrees with everything said about the biblical earth interpretations, but there should be a place where we can read about those different interpretations.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Iran's Space Suit is a Halloween Costume
« on: February 10, 2020, 09:25:35 PM »
After Iran published a picture of their new space suit it was found that it was really a Halloween costume with an Iranian flag affixed to it.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/32107/iranian-minister-tried-to-pass-off-a-20-halloween-costume-as-a-real-spacesuit

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7987175/amp/Iranian-minister-mocked-passing-childs-NASA-fancy-dress-costume-regime-astronaut-suit.html



Whoops!

How embarassing for Iran's "real" space program.

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I don't usually discuss matters of the South, as I typically support a Bi-Polar model to which an Antarctica exist in traditional dimensions and an Antarctic Midnight Sun is possible. The following has caught my eye, however. A popular video called "Frozen South: Antarctica 24 hour Sun 4K" by someone named Anthony Powell is widely circulated to 'debunk FE' and show that there is a perpetual Midnight Sun in the southern regions.



From the video description:

Quote from: Anthony Powell
In the summer time at Scott Base the sun is above the horizon for 4 months, from roughly the end of the third week of October until the end of the third week of February. This shows the movement of the sun over a full 24 hour period near the peak of summer.

Camera was set to take a photo once every one minute and one second (so that the second hand would be moving) should have made it 1min and 2 secs so the send hand would move faster than the minute hand in retrospect. ISO 100, 100th sec exposure. Lens was set on f22 to get enough depth of field to have the watch and horizon both in focus, hence the sun-ray effect. A modified Orion equatorial telescope mount was used to track the sun. Camera and tracking powered by solar panel and batteries.

The above seems to imply that a camera was set on a rotating tripod, following the Midnight Sun and filming it in a natural setting. How is it, then, that the word "North" appears to disappear behind a layer of the land in the foreground, and appear in front the clouds?

I took a screenshot at around the 0:56 mark and adjusted the contrast settings a bit, since some of it is white on white, and added some arrows:



To me this suggests that the material has been cut into multiple layers. A foreground layer containing the land, a text layer, and a cloud layer. Quite curious that someone would feel the need to go to lengths to do this, to cut out different layers of nature, and then state that it's just a camera spinning around; causing me to believe that this video is not a true representation.

Not only just someone, but someone who apparently works directly for a US base in Antarctica.

About Antarctic Film Maker Anthony Powell:

http://www.ballwatch.com/global/en/explorers_club/anthony-powell---70.html

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Powell worked for many years as a Communications Tech for Telecom New Zealand, before picking up his first job in Antarctica as the Communications Tech for New Zealand's Scott Base in 1998. Since then he has continued to work at both Scott Base, and McMurdo Station, the US base run by the National Science Foundation.

This employee of the research base also directly taunts FE in the video description:

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P.S. Flat Earth people, you are very entertaining with your comments. My challenge to you: put your money where your mouth is and book a cruise ship holiday to Antarctica below the Antarctic circle to prove the video wrong. I'll even reimburse the cost of your trip if you can prove the sun does not do this as shown in this video...  Edit: Years later, cue sound of crickets, despite 40,000 tourists and thousands of researchers and workers going to Antarctica every year, no one has taken me up on this offer.]P.S. Flat Earth people, you are very entertaining with your comments. My challenge to you: put your money where your mouth is and book a cruise ship holiday to Antarctica below the Antarctic circle to prove the video wrong. I'll even reimburse the cost of your trip if you can prove the sun does not do this as shown in this video...  Edit: Years later, cue sound of crickets, despite 40,000 tourists and thousands of researchers and workers going to Antarctica every year, no one has taken me up on this offer.

There are undoubtedly other Midnight Sun videos of better, more convincing quality. Whether the Midnight Sun is true or not, and I tend believe that it is is possibly is true per a bi-polar model, it is merely interesting that someone who works for a research base in Antarctica would go to lengths to do this.

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Flat Earth Community / A New Explanation for the Lunar Eclipse
« on: January 21, 2020, 10:59:01 PM »
If the theory of Electromagnetic Acceleration is responsible for the phases of the Moon, it follows that it may be responsible for the Lunar Eclipse as well. The Lunar Eclipse may occur on an occasion when the Moon temporarily moves beyond the vertical rays of the Sun, causing a shadow upon its face. The slightly concave, essentially flat shadow is convexly curved on the Moon simply because the Moon is a sphere, and itself exhibits convex curvature, more so than the shape of the shadow.

https://wiki.tfes.org/Lunar_Eclipse_due_to_Electromagnetic_Acceleration

The above page explains the conceptual basis of the matter, and shows why the Lunar Eclipse occurs when the Moon is Full and when the Sun and Moon are on opposite extremes of the Earth. The time of the Full Moon is when the Sun and Moon are furthest from each other, and where a wandering out of the Sun's area of light would occur. This idea is still in development, but is already more geometrically satisfying than previous explanations.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Session problems on the Wiki
« on: November 29, 2019, 06:20:25 AM »
It seems that after a recent Wiki software update I have a hard time staying logged in. After logging in and going to make an edit, the Wiki will log me out when I go to press submit. After several attempts I might get an edit to go through. It is happening on Chrome and Firefox on a desktop, as well as Chrome on an Android phone.

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Flat Earth Community / Flat Earth Quote Collection
« on: October 17, 2019, 04:15:13 AM »
A thread for discussion and sharing of miscellaneous quotes on topics related to everyone's favorite subject, Flat Earth. Not intended to be a debate thread.

I recently came across an excellent quote by science historian Dr. James Hannam:

“Although we condemn flat-Earth thinking as an example of foolish ignorance, a spherical Earth is actually counterintuitive. It’s such a radical idea that it has been ‘discovered’ only once, in Athens after 400 BCE. The concept of the Earth being round didn’t appear in any other civilisation. India and the Islamic world learnt it from the Greeks, while China had to wait until the Jesuits arrived in the 16th century and turned the Chinese view of the Universe upside down.”
            —Historian of science Dr. James Hannam, author of "God’s Philosophers: How the Medieval World Laid the Foundations of Modern Science"

The question is, where do we put it?

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Flat Earth Media / The Principle Movie
« on: October 10, 2019, 04:57:07 PM »
This post contains spoilers.

I came across this meme about The Principle, and the quotes caught my eye:



If that website full of falsities is trying to discredit it then there must be some truth to it.

So, I decided to finally watch Robert Sungenis' geocentrism movie The Principle. The movie consists of a mix of science history and interviews with famous physicists who were apparently interviewed believing that they were going to be part of a regular cosmology documentary.

The movie starts with them describing the Copernican Principle which states we are unimportant and with Lawrence Krauss screaming "we are nothing!!" We then join the physcists on a journey of discovery to make sense of cosmological data suggesting that we are central.

The common line about this movie is that scientists were "misquoted," but there is no mistaking that they are saying things like "it really looks like we are at the center of the universe... but don't worry, it only looks that way!", that there are large scale phenomena in the universe aligned with the earth and ecliptic, that it is really weird that experiments show that we are not moving, and that if the earth was the center of the universe it would solve many problems in cosmology.

The movie ends on a feel-good note. Maybe a little theological misquoting at the end... but "misquoted" or not, the statements are fairly interesting. At the end of it all, and after all of their challenges and struggles to make sense of nature, our cosmologist interviewees finally find God and admit that the earth is a very special place at the center of the universe. A happy ending.

A free streaming version is available on archive.org: https://archive.org/details/ThePrinciple

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