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Flat Earth Community / Wiki: Occam's Razor and Burden of Proof
« on: April 17, 2019, 01:57:37 PM »
I am considering whether or not to de-list the Occam's Razor and Burden of Proof articles from the main pages. They come from the early era of the other website, and can be interpreted as mainly trolling. However, it is possible that they are not trolling.

https://wiki.tfes.org/Occam%27s_Razor

https://wiki.tfes.org/Burden_of_Proof

If either or both should stay, or if they should be rewritten, how should it be done and what should they say? These are subjects that come up on a regular basis.

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Flat Earth Community / Dr. John D. Bedford Canal Experiments
« on: April 08, 2019, 10:51:43 PM »
Dr. John D. will be performing experiments on the Bedford Canal on April 13th. I find the matter to be interesting because, other than an attempt some time back that encountered lots of heat effects and extreme distortion in the distance, there have been no good modern repeats of the experiment on this canal.



Initial reconnaissance video from March 31st:


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Flat Earth Media / How Einstein Made the Earth Move
« on: March 24, 2019, 02:02:38 AM »
A good video by Jeran and Robert Sungenis. Not many people know that Einstein developed relativity as a way to explain evidence that the earth was not in motion around the sun.



Pdf here

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Jeran talks about the horizontal image compression which is said to bring out the curvature of the earth. Runtime 9m


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Flat Earth Community / FE Core Mechanical Gyro Test
« on: March 07, 2019, 10:38:52 PM »
On YouTube there are numerous mechanical gyro tests which show no rotation beneath the earth. People have taken time lapse videos of gyroscopes, showing that over long periods of time that the earth does not rotate beneath it. The common rebuttal to this experiment is that the gyroscopes are "not sensitive enough."

I am interested in the following FE Core project:

Mechanical Gyro Motion Testing

https://fecore.org/project/mechanical-gyro-motion-testing/

FE Core is building a mechanical gyroscope with a base that can simulate the rotation of the earth.



"The bearing at the base of the gyro can be turned by a control circuit and a series of step down gears at rates slow enough to simulate between 5° to 70° per hour earth rotation in either direction."

The base of the gyro acts as a control to the validity of the device. If the gyro can detect the rotation of the base, then it should be able to detect the rotation of the earth. A performance of this experiment with no drift would provide an experiment that is difficult to impeach.

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This one is a bit long, but interesting. Jeran presents a marathon of quotes from various physcists and astronomers who make statements along the lines that Heliocentrism and diunral motion are untenable or unverified, and that rejection of evidence or the invocation of illusions are used to explain failings. Runtime 3h:


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Announcements / On "Behind The Curve"
« on: March 01, 2019, 07:15:45 PM »
It has come to our attention that a documentary titled Behind the Curve has appeared on Netflix and is introducing significant numbers of new people into the Flat Earth discussions. After viewing this piece we feel that the work depicts a poorly researched Flat Earth Theory. It should be noted that the Flat Earth Society was not consulted with the science of the documentary and that the topics discussed should be further researched.

Questions have come up about the light experiment at the end of the film. We point to the following from an account of a self-proclaimed Round Earth proponent who was present at the Jeran event [archive link] :

"In about 10 tries, with the light held waist-high at 17 feet above water we never clearly saw it through the center panel hole. On one of the attempts, maybe the fourth of ten, we clearly saw it when Enrique lifted it over his head. On that one, Jeran asked him to raise it and lower it a few times, and it would appear when Enrique raised it and vanish when he lowered it. That was the "gasp" moment. Jeran said, "that's interesting." I noted it was the prediction for a round Earth. When they repeated the whole procedure, it did not happen again. I suggested having Enrique move from side-to-side a bit when occluded by the panel, in case it was lateral alignment that was off. Jeran accepted the suggestion, but it made no observable difference."

Of about ten observations, the fourth observation was the only one where the event occurred, and the only one which was published in the documentary. Nine of the ten trials did not see the event. The above description of inconsistency suggests the presence of curving light rays in the experiment—refraction. The manner in which the experiment was portrayed in the film by the producers further suggests dishonesty. The documentary does not show the times the event did not occur. Misrepresentation of this nature is called scientific fraud. Had the results of all ten trials been honestly presented it would have, assuredly, been a far different segment.

It should be noted that time lapse photography has shown that the curvature of light rays across long distances can be a regular occurrence. Since ancient times, mankind has used this inconsistent effect as a primary piece of evidence that the Earth was spherical 1.

Per the Ring Laser Gyroscope, the claim that this device can see the rotation of the Earth is the latest in the controversy between Copernicans and Anti-Copernicans on the matter of the Earth's rotation. From the era of Ptolemy, to Tycho Brahe, to conflicts of the Victorian Era, and even to attempts in present day, science has been engaged in the attempt of finding direct and conclusive evidence for the rotation of the Earth 2. When assessing the Ring Laser Gyroscope studies of Earth's rotation, we find that the device does not appear to be measuring the Earth's rotation directly 3.

Regarding other social aspects of the film as presented by Delta-v Productions, we may only comment that it is a non-compelling argument to consult with psychologists rather than to seek the consultation of scientists and experimenters on combating the Flat Earth movement and demonstrating truth on empirical grounds. The Flat Earth Society values scientific integrity and demands direct, conclusive, and repeatable evidence that our Earth is a globe.

Footnotes:

1 Sinking Ship Effect Caused by Refraction - Information on the Sinking Ship Effect
2 Coriolis Effect - Information on the Coriolis Effect and historical attempts to determine rotation
3 Ring Laser Gyroscope - Resource on the claim of the Ring Laser Gyroscope observing Earth's rotation

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Suggestions & Concerns / Front Page Response to Behind the Curve
« on: February 27, 2019, 09:03:45 PM »
We should publish a front page response to Behind the Curve like we did with the Logan Paul situation. The work depicts a poorly researched Flat Earth Theory. Netflix is bringing numerous people into the Flat Earth discussions and they are introduced with this documentary.

I would suggest writing an announcement that the Flat Earth Society was not consulted in the science of the documentary and that the topics discussed should be further researched, with some further details around that.

We should also link to the following resources:

https://wiki.tfes.org/Ring_Laser_Gyroscope (updated)
https://wiki.tfes.org/Sinking_Ship_Effect_Caused_By_Refraction

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Flat Earth Media / Bill Nye's Flat Earth Mental Breakdown
« on: February 24, 2019, 05:48:56 PM »
Bill Nye the Science Guy seems to be having a mental breakdown over this Flat Earth business. A humorous collection of clips and cuts of Nye's Flat Earth statements.



Video Description: "This is a short lighthearted video highlighting Bill Nye's ridiculous straw man arguments and his concern other the growing number of people questioning the true nature and shape of our Earth."

Notice how Bill Nye's response is "everyone knows..." and "go to the edge if that's what you think" rather than "RET was conclusively proven hundreds of years ago by xyz studies/experiments/researchers"

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Flat Earth Media / Himawari 8 Satellite Analysis
« on: January 25, 2019, 01:24:16 AM »
An interesting analysis of the Hamarawi 8 satellite. Documents are found on NOAA's FTP that the underlying model is the Blue Marble dataset.

The Himawari 8 is the weather satellite which is supposedly far enough from the earth to take continuous photos of the whole half of the earth it is over


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Classic moon hoax media that was never posted here. Bill Kaysing worked with NASA and says that they did not go to the moon.


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Flat Earth Community / Pole to Pole Trip Cancelled
« on: January 24, 2019, 11:35:08 PM »
There is an eleven thousand dollar flight which supposedly goes around the world from Pole to Pole. A YouTube user named greatersapien set up a Kickstarter and collected 20 thousand dollars from the public to "prove flat earth wrong".

https://youtu.be/QE7b6Os3TlM

He collects the 20k, buys the ticket from the company, his camera equipment, and guess what happened? The company stopped responding to him and disappeared with the money.


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Flat Earth Investigations / The Zig-Zaging Sun
« on: December 29, 2018, 03:41:54 AM »
According to RET the Midnight Sun of the Arctic occurs because for a portion of the year the earth is tilted on it's axis, with the Arctic towards the sun, as the earth rotates:



This should produce a smoothly rotating sun around the Arctic that never sets.

In contradiction to this expected smoothness, we find videos of the sun from the Arctics which apparently zig-zaggs in the sky:



Source

Under the Flat Earth Theory my interpretation of this is because the sun is close to the earth and much more subject to perspective and perspective lines, which are straight, and which is why the sun seems to be going on straight paths as it approaches and recedes, with abrupt changes of direction.

However, the Round Earth Theory proposes a sun that is very far away and is not subject to this sort of perspective.

How does RET explain this geometry of the sun's movement?

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I have heard on numerous occasions that the main problem with the division of the Flat Earth groups is because of the topic of the Universal Accelerator. Flat Earthers have declared that, although they believe that the earth is flat, they think that the Flat Earth Society's idea of an upwardly accelerating earth to be farcical and ridiculous. I hold that this belief has spread simply because the facts have not been properly communicated. I have been working on a solution for this. Please read the following article:

Evidence for the Universal Accelerator

The Universal Accelerator is, in fact, a strong piece of evidence for the Flat Earth movement. It can be shown that it is actually farcical to try and use or argue for any other form of gravity.

I would appreciate any reviews, comments, or corrections on this article. If we find that this article is sufficient I will take it to the other websites for review.

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Flat Earth Media / Robert Sungenis presentation on Geocentrism
« on: November 19, 2018, 09:17:49 PM »
I recently came across an interesting presentation on geocentricism by Robert Segunis, which expresses his views. While Segunis believes that the earth is round, he believes that the earth is motionless, and takes us through some of the evidence for a motionless earth. Segunis talks about the motionless earth experiments, providing the words of various surprised physicists who refuse to believe that the earth is motionless, and looks at various cosmological data.

The presentation is about two hours long, feel free to jump around. I've started it at the part with Einstein:



This is not Segunis' own personal information that he is presenting. He is merely presenting the words of scientists to us.

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Flat Earth Media / Flat Earth - No Boat Went Over The Horizon
« on: November 11, 2018, 08:22:43 PM »
Ranty Flat Earth gives us a step-by-step breakdown of the Sinking Ship Effect. Assessment of the alleged sinking ship videos shows that the effect being the result of the Inferior Mirage is the logical conclusion in many of these videos.

Runtime: 8 Minutes


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Flat Earth Community / Post Your Favorite NASA ISS Fails
« on: November 08, 2018, 11:03:31 PM »
A Group Project: Create a catalogue of NASA's ISS slip-ups and flubs. We will go through and make a Wiki page out of the best of them. Please point out a specific event rather than linking a 2 hour video. A title and description of the event for porting to the Wiki would be appreciated.

I will start:

Astronaut Accidentally Admits That They Are Filming on US Soil

In a live interview from "space" Chris Cassidy accidentally admits that the astronauts are filming from the USA. Watch the following video at the 28 second mark for about 1 minute for context and decide for yourself what Cassidy is talking about.



Cassidy says: "...and all of that happened in a little town called York, Maine, which is across the United States from where we are talking to you right now."

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https://www.acsh.org/news/2018/10/30/1-4-statisticians-say-they-were-asked-commit-scientific-fraud-13554

From a report:

Quote
A stunning report published in the Annals of Internal Medicine concludes that researchers often ask statisticians to make "inappropriate requests." And by "inappropriate," the authors aren't referring to accidental requests for incorrect statistical analyses; instead, they're referring to requests for unscrupulous data manipulation or even fraud. The authors surveyed 522 consulting biostatisticians and received sufficient responses from 390. Then, they constructed a table that ranks requests by level of inappropriateness. For instance, at the very top is "falsify the statistical significance to support a desired result," which is outright fraud. At the bottom is "do not show plot because it did not show as strong an effect as you had hoped," which is only slightly naughty.

I cannot say that I am surprised in the least. Further, these requests for fraud aren't coming from some businessman. According to the article it is scientists who are making these requests.

Edit: Please move this to the science board.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Preserving Wiki Article Links & Videos
« on: October 29, 2018, 06:19:07 PM »
Pete had recently installed a video upload tool for preserving videos on the Wiki, which seems great. I am planning on making archives of the most frequently used videos.

I would like to discuss the best way to preserve article quotes. For example, one page that I have in progress on my personal 'Works In Progress' section on my Wiki user page is Astronomical Prediction Based on Patterns. I am collecting quotes and pieces of evidence at the moment, and am planning to add more summary detail to the article once I feel that the evidence is sufficient. My original idea was to request a .pdf attachment option for the Wiki, to preserve the context of the quotes so that the page doesn't end up as a collection of missing 404s. However, I did a test run of saving all web page links as pdf and saw this:



I noticed the following:

- All of these PDFs make the total file size for archiving the sources over 71 MB. Do we really want each article to be over 71 MB?

- Some of these PDFs are entire books, which I saved with Google Book's Download as PDF option. The Gravitation Vs. Relativity will be useful for making quotes on other subjects and should be in a central library location, but the Story of the Heavens book is only useful to me at this time for this one quote.

What would be the best way to handle this? Rely on archive.org and website robots.txt to preserve content?

Maybe I should just upload the smaller PDFs to the Wiki, and add the larger PDFs that are books to the library, regardless of whether we are only using them for one quote? Make a small PDF of just the chapter?

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Flat Earth Theory / 1961 Full Edition of Encyclopedia Britanica
« on: October 26, 2018, 11:31:27 PM »
That is a nice find. I am curious to see what the entry for the Michelson-Morley Experiment says. The internet is rife with the myth that "the experiment only disproved aether, nothing else" with denialism of any further meaning. It would be interesting to see what pre-internet literature says about this experiment.

I have recently added an article to our Wiki which gives various quotes and pieces of evidence that reflects the true story: https://wiki.tfes.org/Michelson-Morley_Experiment

Edit: A second request -- The Sagnac Experiment and Airy's Failure -- these are related light velocity experiments.

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