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Nope. I can point to the fact that Trump won Bellwethers in 2016. Can you show ANY historical statistical significance in Biden's favor?


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There is undeniably some warping that doesn't happen in that simulation.

However, I don't think it's true that the stars and celestial bodies always maintain a constant angular diameter from each other in the sky. They slow down as they approach the horizon.

From the below video: "As you can see the stars get significantly closer together as they get closer to the horizon"



This is opposite from the star trail simulation, but there might be some wiggle room with the particular curve and angle and direction of light as it reaches the observer on the surface that causes it to slow down rather than to speed up. TBD.

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I don't see an explanation. I just see you guys trouble coming up with baseless excuses to justify something you want to be true.

https://spectator.org/what-we-must-believe-to-believe-biden-won/



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That particular bit of bad math has been destroyed repeatedly.

The argument is basically "Well this thing happened before and didn't happen now so this other thing is totally wrong."

How is you proposing an unprecedented anomalies "destroying" anything? Proposing unprecedented anomalies means that results were anomalous, affirming the premise.

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Pandemic + Historically Fucktardish President = Anomolous Election Results

This is a claim.

A claim is evidence.

I win.

So according to your theory more republicans voted for Biden this cycle. But according the anomalies this isn't true. If more republicans were voting for Biden, he should be up everywhere.

In general Biden lost many counties, winning the lowest number of counties in Wisconson as compared to previous presidents. Why should this be if more republicans are voting for Biden?



You are proposing ridiculous anomalies without explanation.

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Everyone: I don’t see it Tom

Tom: This is evidence. I win.

Everyone: We see something different. This is also evidence.

Tom: I don’t see it. I win.

Sounds like I won.

Now how about you coincidence theorists get back to justifying the ridiculous anomalies in Joe Biden's vote count.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/bellwether-counties-went-overwhelmingly-for-trump-in-2020_3579578.html?utm_source=share-btn-copylink

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Over the past nearly 40 years, presidential elections have observed an intriguing phenomenon: 19 counties in the nation have always voted for the winner, be it Republican or Democrat.

They’ve been dubbed “bellwether counties” and until this year, no president since at least Ronald Reagan has missed even one.

In 2020, all but one of the bellwethers picked President Donald Trump by a margin of some 16 points on average. Only one, Clallam County in Washington, went for former Vice President Joe Biden and only by about a three-point margin.

Yet unofficial vote counts now show Biden in the lead and with enough electoral votes to claim the presidency. Trump is challenging the results in several states, alleging fraud, voter suppression, and illegal restrictions on Republican poll watchers. Two states have announced recounts.

Bellwethers aren’t a crystal ball—their streak was expected to end sooner or later. But what would be striking is for it to end so radically.

There is another bellwether list of 58 counties that has correctly picked each president since 2000; Trump won 51 of them by an average margin of nearly 15 points. The ones he lost went to Biden by a margin of about four points on average.

And then there’s Vigo County in Indiana—the quintessential bellwether that has correctly picked the winner in all but two elections since 1888. In both of the missteps, the residents wrongly picked the losing Democrat: Williams Jennings Bryan over President William Taft in 1908 and Adlai Stevenson over President Dwight Eisenhower in 1952.

This year, Vigo went for Trump by nearly 15 points, roughly the same as in 2016. An Emerson poll conducted shortly before Election Day was completely off, showing Trump and Biden neck and neck.

Bellwether Characteristics

The 19 bellwethers tend to be poorer, whiter, older, and less educated than the rest of the country, according to an August paper by researchers from the University of Denver and the University of New Hampshire.

There’s significant variability among them, though. Median household incomes range from $65,000 in Bremer County, Iowa, to $32,000 in Hidalgo County in New Mexico. Both Hidalgo and Valencia County, New Mexico, are close to 60 percent Hispanic, while Westmoreland County in Virginia is almost one-third black. Sawyer County, Wisconsin, and Clallam County, Washington, have “substantial Native American populations,” the authors said.

The counties “tend to be clustered in the Midwest and the Northeast, with only four of the counties not falling into one of those regions,” they said.

Westmoreland is the only one of the counties in the South, Clallam is the only one on the West Coast, and Hidalgo and Valencia are the only counties in the Mountain West.

“The unequal geographic distribution is a somewhat curious phenomenon of bellwether counties. Eleven of the 19 were located in just six Midwestern states, and Wisconsin alone is home to four,” they said.

The counties are also mostly small and rural.

“Just two have populations in excess of 100,000,” the authors said.

The bellwethers’ ability to predict the winner has been attributed to a large swath of voters willing to switch party preference from one election to the next.

Scoring All Counties
The researchers also mapped all U.S. counties (over 3,000) by their “bellwether score”—their record of voting for the overall winner in each of the previous 10 presidential elections—giving progressively larger weight to more recent elections.

“The bellwether scores map highlights the fact that many states have a good bellwether county or two, even if they did not make the list of the 19 counties which have always voted for the winning candidate,” they said.

“Many counties in states that have reliably voted for one party for many cycles are home to counties which have almost always voted for the winner of the election; for example, South Carolina has two strong bellwether counties despite being a reliably Republican state, and California has a number of strong bellwethers in its central valley despite being a reliably Democratic state.”

They also found that high-scoring counties exhibit a geographic trend.

“The upper Midwest, upstate New York, and northern New England are home to a disproportionate share of high-scoring counties,” they said.

“High scoring bellwether counties in these regions tend to border other high-scoring counties, unlike their counterparts in the South and West, which tend to see high scoring bellwethers somewhat isolated from each other. The Upper Mississippi River Valley and it [sic] surrounding area, in particular, appears to be an epicenter of these high-scoring bellwethers.”

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As I said before, his ears are completely different.

You can barely see his ears. I don't see any difference.

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The facial disfigurement between the eyebrows is completely different, they are curved in different directions!

I don't see it.



From different angles it looks like the disfigurement continues to go straight up, not to the left:



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One of their faces is much more gaunt than the other, skin tone is different, hairstyles are different

Okay. Thanks for trying.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: How does FE explain star trails?
« on: January 27, 2021, 11:29:15 PM »
Light is curing upwards in the FE model - https://wiki.tfes.org/Electromagnetic_Acceleration

Here is a rough star trail simulation of light curving upwards:


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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« on: January 27, 2021, 09:56:11 PM »
Nope. The fact that we can get one of those moles to match location is evidence. The mole fades in and out of his body, and lack of a visible mole is not a reliable piece of evidence to determine that it's not him. Two random people do not have moles at the same location, so the match of a single mole is evidence.

Find me an Elvis impersonator who has the same facial deformities as the real Elvis. The color and swirl of this guy's hair is also a close match. Not everyone has this hair, this crooked nose and this facial disfigurement between the eyebrows.

There is a sample of one person claiming to be this guy, and the assertion that we can look through thousands of people and get similarities is not a valid comparison. It is also not feasible to look through thousands of people and find ones with the same facial deformities and likeness.






Explain why this is "just a coincidence" please.

There is only one person claiming to be this person. This isn't a matter of searching through thousands of pictures and finding the one we like.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« on: January 27, 2021, 06:43:21 PM »
You know you're missing two moles around the neck, right?

Also, is this you?  Because I can't seem to find the original source of the (supposidly) dead marine.

The moles around the neck seem to fade in and out of his body throughout the video, as it is dark against dark. This may be one of them:



Maybe hints of multiple moles here:


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Flat Earth Projects / Re: Wiki Contradictions: be careful who you quote!
« on: January 26, 2021, 04:08:45 PM »
Was scrolling through the wiki, in the Coriolis effect article, when I found this gem.

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In those highly controlled settings, scientists at MIT in the 1960s were able to show that Coriolis could work on a draining tub. In fact, I have been told that graduate students at MIT still do this experiment today in one of their classes.

Tom, if you're going to cherrypick quotes, at least have the sense to:

1. Remove the sections that count against FET
2. At least attempt to address the questions raised.

Where does it say that the later MIT results were against FE?

Those sources in that section specifically say that when Shipiro's claim was repeated it was found that the outcome is dependent on the specific conditions it was conducted, and that the matter was not resolved.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« on: January 26, 2021, 04:17:08 AM »
This isn't a matter of searching through thousands of pictures. There is only a sample of one person making the claim here.

You also haven't provided examples anywhere near close. Aside from the hair and likeness, the person claiming to be the older dead soldier has similar facial deformities. A gash between his eyebrows, crooked non-symmeteic nose, dip in upper eyebrow.




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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« on: January 25, 2021, 05:52:21 PM »
Claiming that the person asserting to be a dead soldier looks like the dead soldier depicted does not appear to help your arguments that he is not that person.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes
« on: January 25, 2021, 08:02:18 AM »





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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes
« on: January 25, 2021, 07:55:41 AM »

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« on: January 25, 2021, 04:45:01 AM »
If you are seeking updates to something you should probably look into it.

There have been updates and further claims about that. Deceased seal team six member Aaron Vaughn is claiming that his death on the helicopter crash didn't happen. Decide for yourself.

https://files.catbox.moe/e4e4oa.mp4

https://i.ibb.co/stmhJpn/55ecacd.png

https://thefallen.militarytimes.com/navy-chief-special-warfare-operator-seal-aaron-c-vaughn/6567924

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« on: January 24, 2021, 09:38:13 PM »
You didn't answer the question, what fraud evidence, specifically, was released "One Hour After Biden Sworn In..."?  That's your claim. Back it up.

I did back it up. It was declared that it was evidence of voter fraud by the judiciary committee. I provided a quote on that. That's why it can be called evidence of voter fraud. If you want more details on the type and kind of evidence that committee has determined, do your own research. I never made a claim on any specificity they determined.


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I don't necessarily want to talk about it. It's just exemplary of the sheer metric ton of unsubstantiated claims you glom on to without a smidge of evidence. All because your narrative has been shown to be false. And your Falconer and Survivor contestant's terabytes of treasonous evidence against the Obama administration just so happens to be one of the more fantastical ones you were hanging on to. And then "poof", it disappeared. All in all, you have have less than zero credibility when it comes to your claims, as evidenced by everything you've put forth for the past couple of months.

You were incorrect and wrong about that too. You do not know what evidence is. Claims are evidence. Someone's word is considered to be evidence.

If someone makes a claim or accusation it is considered to be evidence, and is worth talking about.

See the following:

From https://www.law.cornell.edu/nyctap/I07_0020.htm on rape accusations:

""'[T]he testimony of a single witness [can be enough] to support a conviction'" (People v Schulz, 4 NY3d 521, 530 [2005] quoting People v Arroyo, 54 NY2d 567, 578 [1982]). Although corroboration is not necessary in support of a rape prosecution, the underage victim's testimony was bolstered by her prompt outcry the morning after the first rape occurred..."

From https://www.justice.gov/atr/case-document/united-states-proposed-jury-instructions on jury instructions:

"Similarly, the government is not required to prove the essential elements of the offense by any particular number of witnesses, or by every witness. The testimony of a single witness can be sufficient to convince you beyond a reasonable doubt of the existence of an essential element of the offense charged if you believe that the witness was truthful."

All it takes is for a single claim and for the jury to think that they are truthful.

Ask a lawyer: https://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/-so-if-there-is-no-physical-evidence-other-than-wi-1717488.html

Q: “So If there is no physical evidence other than withness testimony, can one still be convicted? Would it be hard for the prosecution to get a conviction?”

Benjamin David Goldberg
Criminal Defense Attorney in Marietta, GA

A: "The answer to your first question is yes. In fact, judges often instruct juries that the testimony of a single witness is sufficient to establish a fact. That means that, for most offenses, a person can be convicted based solely on another person's testimony (unless that other person is an accomplice). The second question is impossible to answer without knowing all the facts and circumstances of the particular case."

https://www.slgattorneysflorida.com/the-state-only-has-one-witness-isn-t-that-hearsay.html

"We often get questions about whether the State can convict you of a crime when they only have one single witness in a "he said/she said" type of case. We usually get the question, "Isn't that hearsay?" Is "he said/she said" testimony hearsay and inadmissible?

No. Eyewitness testimony is not hearsay. Hearsay relates to when a witness testifies about an out of court statement. For example, if Jill testifies, "John told me that Phil punched him," this statement is hearsay because Jill is testifying about John's out of court statement. Now if John testifies that Phil punched him, that is not hearsay, because John is testifying to what happened, not what somebody told him.

Also, hearsay is not always inadmissible. There are many exceptions to the hearsay rule where an out of court statement would be admissible."

https://splinternews.com/people-are-convicted-based-on-one-witness-all-the-time-1829367479

People Are Convicted Based on One Witness All The Time

"I rob you on a dark, deserted street at night. You call the police. You describe me. The police find me. You confirm it was me. You testify against me. I go to jail. This sort of thing is completely normal.

Sure, the police and prosecutors would like to have as much evidence as possible. They would like to have another witness, or my DNA, or to find the items that I stole from you in my possession. But if they don’t have any of those additional things—if they only have your own testimony that I robbed you—I have news for you: they will still arrest me. And, if the jury finds your testimony to be credible, they will find me guilty, and I will go to jail."

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« on: January 24, 2021, 08:58:02 PM »
If you want to talk about unsubstantiated lies, what fraud evidenced was released "One Hour After Biden Sworn In..."? What was the evidence and who released it?

And if you really want to talk about unsubstantiated lies, how are we doing with your Falconer and Survivor contestant's terabytes of treasonous evidence against the Obama administration? We're still waiting on that. What's the hold-up now?

I gave you a quote that it was already decided that the data contained evidence of fraud. Look into why that was decided if you are interested.

If you want to talk about Obama now, and claims that someone made, then it looks like you have given up and are out of ammo, in your poor attempt at substantiating your claims.

If you want to focus on the word fraud, why not examine these three quotes?  This is also you shifting the goalposts, I did not limit my statement to 'fraud' either. That's twice you have done that.

Trump’s campaign “did not prove under any standard of proof that illegal votes were cast and counted, or legal votes were not counted at all, due to voter fraud, nor in an amount equal to or greater than” Biden’s margin in Nevada - District Court Judge James T. Russell

“Plaintiffs have not moved the needle for their fraud theory from conceivable to plausible, which they must do to state a claim under Federal pleading standards,”  - District Court Judge Diane J. Humetewa

“The court finds that there is no credible or reliable evidence that the 2020 General Election in Nevada was affected by fraud.” - Nevada District Judge James Russell

This shows conclusively that some judges did rule on the merits of the case, and found the evidence to be entirely lacking. Which is exactly what I claimed.

You provided quotes from two judges here.

You are supposed to be showing that the bulk of the 60 cases were dismissed on merit, or that the bulk of the voter fraud cases were dismissed on merit, to allow you to keep using this claim about the courts finding no merit to voter fraud.

No I am not supposed to be showing that, re-read my claim that started this.

The whole 'no judges considered any lawsuits on the merits' is a myth, plenty of judges specifically took the Trump lawyers to task for not providing any evidence.

You added the condition they must be 'fraud'. You added the condition that 'the bulk' of them must be. You can not shift the goalposts and demand I prove your argument.

I have proven that some judges did indeed consider the case on it's merits, and rejected it.

If you want to claim that there was valid evidence that was rejected due to Trump's lawers making mistakes and filing them incorrectly, it's up to you to show them.  I've shown exactly what I claimed.

I did read your post and you were talking about fraud in your post. Don't backtrack and try to play word games now. You speak about fraud all through the post and try to use the cases as evidence that there is no voter fraud.

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In the Stinson case, there were a large number of fraudulent votes that had been discovered and proven. To date, nobody has found 7 million fake votes for Biden. Even after multiple hand recounts in several battleground states.

If any real evidence [for voter fraud] existed it would have been presented in one of the hundred odd GOP lawsuits that got tossed out due to a total lack of evidence.  The whole 'no judges considered any lawsuits on the merits' is a myth, plenty of judges specifically took the Trump lawyers to task for not providing any evidence. They were very clear on this.

Biden won, legitimately and honestly and is not going to be removed by any fantasy lawsuit with nonexistent evidence. He won by over 7 million votes. Nobody has been able to show any large scale fraud. In fact in Pennsylvania after an extremely detailed check found only three fraudulent votes. Three. All voting

I have added in the brackets above "[for voter fraud]". You are clearly talking about voter fraud in that post, and think that the cases prove that there is no voter fraud. No need to lie to us now.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« on: January 24, 2021, 08:41:27 PM »
If you want to talk about unsubstantiated lies, what fraud evidenced was released "One Hour After Biden Sworn In..."? What was the evidence and who released it?

And if you really want to talk about unsubstantiated lies, how are we doing with your Falconer and Survivor contestant's terabytes of treasonous evidence against the Obama administration? We're still waiting on that. What's the hold-up now?

I gave you a quote that it was already decided that the data contained evidence of fraud. Look into why that was decided if you are interested.

If you want to talk about Obama now, and claims that someone made, then it looks like you have given up and are out of ammo, in your poor attempt at substantiating your claims.

If you want to focus on the word fraud, why not examine these three quotes?  This is also you shifting the goalposts, I did not limit my statement to 'fraud' either. That's twice you have done that.

Trump’s campaign “did not prove under any standard of proof that illegal votes were cast and counted, or legal votes were not counted at all, due to voter fraud, nor in an amount equal to or greater than” Biden’s margin in Nevada - District Court Judge James T. Russell

“Plaintiffs have not moved the needle for their fraud theory from conceivable to plausible, which they must do to state a claim under Federal pleading standards,”  - District Court Judge Diane J. Humetewa

“The court finds that there is no credible or reliable evidence that the 2020 General Election in Nevada was affected by fraud.” - Nevada District Judge James Russell

This shows conclusively that some judges did rule on the merits of the case, and found the evidence to be entirely lacking. Which is exactly what I claimed.

You provided quotes from two judges here.

You are supposed to be showing that the bulk of the 60 cases were dismissed on merit, or that the bulk of the voter fraud cases were dismissed on merit, to allow you to keep using this claim about the courts finding no merit to voter fraud.

It is you who is "shifting the goal posts". It is repeated that the courts found no validity to voter fraud, so you need to show that the bulk of the cases were dismissed on merit.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« on: January 24, 2021, 08:19:11 PM »
Take a look at one of your other quotes. The Ludwig case was not a fraud case, and wouldn't support your argument that there is no fraud because the bulk of fraud cases were dismissed on merit.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/12/us/trump-election-lawsuit-wisconsin.html

"“This court has allowed the plaintiff the chance to make his case,” Judge Ludwig wrote, “and he has lost on the merits.”

The suit in Milwaukee in many ways echoed the petition filed by Texas, which was backed by 17 Republican attorneys general and more than 100 Republican members of the House of Representatives.

Unlike other legal challenges by the president, the suit in Milwaukee did not allege that voting fraud took place in Wisconsin. Rather, it accused a group of state and local election officials of violating state law by expanding the manner in which absentee ballots were received and processed this year in an unusual election that took place during a pandemic."

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