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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 18, 2024, 09:00:25 AM »
Anyway, the story is ridiculous, but the fact that Trump is telling a ridiculous story isn't really a big deal. His rallies are more for entertaining and riling up his fans than anything else. It doesn't matter what nonsense he says to them. They're not there to hear persuasive, logical reasoning from Trump.
All true, but the hypocrisy of them lapping up his incoherent rambling while claiming Biden is in cognitive decline is worth noting.
The truth is they're both in cognitive decline - and why wouldn't they be at their ages?
The fact that one of them is going to be US President for the next 4 years (unless they die or become incapacitated in office, which is fairly plausible either way) is making most people's head spin outside of the US, and maybe in the US too.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 17, 2024, 08:12:43 AM »
It's confusing because the video starts in the middle of a story he is telling. Try being more honest in your life.

He is talking about poorly built electric boats that barely stay afloat due to weight. The boat doesn't randomly sink in the story. They are prone to sinking and prone to possible electrocution. He is pointing out that there could be a situation in which you might be faced with jumping into shark infested waters or going down with the boat and risking electrocution. It isn't always feasible to distance yourself from the boat when it starts sinking. The all-electric boat adds more danger.

And right on cue.
There's a good cult member  ;D

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 16, 2024, 07:26:40 PM »
Holy shit.
And the hilarious thing is the cult members will defend that complete ramble with a straight face while saying that Biden is incoherent.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: June 14, 2024, 10:09:25 AM »
You really think an evil plot using masks is not gonna match skintones?  What, is the government a B movie now?
Yes, the government are now faking things with all the skill of a Scooby Doo villain.
They would have gotten away with it too had it not been for those meddling internet "sleuths".

Holy shit, Tom, is there any insane conspiracy theory bandwagon you won't hop on?

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 11, 2024, 04:04:42 PM »
Hey guys, my brother is on Hunter Biden's jury, and he's already promised a conviction! MAGA forever!
Welp, that's a mistrial then...

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 06, 2024, 05:32:12 PM »
Citing "the stock market is hitting all time highs!" while people in America are struggling with their grocery bills is precisely the kind of insanity I was making fun of you for earlier. Did you even read the article? "Unemployment is low, the fed rate is stable (at a high rate) and the stock market is hitting all time highs!" What in the good god does that have to do with the average person in a struggling economy?
But Trump used to boast about the stock market hitting record highs, low unemployment and GDP growth.
But I take the point that those things don't necessarily mean the average person is doing well.
I found this which may be more relevant:

It indicates the poverty rate did fall significantly under Trump but I'd note that trend was established before he took office. It has risen under Biden but nowhere near to where it was 10 years ago. I know you've had an inflation spike, we have here too. My understanding of economics is shaky at best but isn't the whole Ukraine situation a factor there? That was raising food and fuel prices and was outside of Biden's control. It was exacerbated here by the utter madness of Lizz Truss's car crash time in Number 10, including an insane budget which announced about £40Bn of unfunded tax cuts for the rich and damn near crashed the whole economy.
And of course there's the hangover from Covid which is bound to have an effect.

It's almost like the lack of voter ID makes any evidence of voter fraud that much harder to track down, and yet one side is vehemently against the concept of introducing voter ID. Really makes me think.
But Trump said he had evidence. He said loads of dead people voted. Those people were found to be very much alive.
He said the voting machines were rigged but couldn't find any evidence which stood up to any scrutiny. Etc.

Trump whined about how he was ahead on the night and then suddenly it started going against him as if it was some plot against him. Actually what happened is what everyone knew would happen - in most states the on the day votes were counted first and the postal ones later. You may remember that it was in the middle of a bloody great pandemic. So Biden was encouraging people to vote by post, Trump was encouraging the opposite (I believe part of his basis for that was more vague claims that postal votes are rigged, again without any evidence). So of course the on the day vote swung towards Trump and the postal towards Biden, everyone knew that would happen before the day.
I believe there are some states where the postal vote is counted first and in those you saw the exact opposite effect where Biden was in front and then it swung towards Trump

The point is Trump kept on claiming there was mountains of evidence but every time that evidence was subject to any scrutiny it just crumbled.

I'm not convinced voter ID is solving a problem which actually exists. The argument against is that it disenfranchises people who don't have such ID. Over here they did a trial of it during the London Mayoral elections. As I left the polling station I overheard the end of a minor argument some lady was having with one of the staff. The lady hadn't brought her ID, having not got the memo that it was needed. I think she was told she could go get it and come back, she stomped off saying "Nah, a vote isn't that important". Sigh.
I don't have an issue with voter ID if the ID is provided free of charge - there was an option here to apply for an ID for free.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 06, 2024, 12:59:09 PM »
Unusually, Tom is actually right about her denial

“So you signed and released a statement that said, ‘I am not denying this affair because I was paid in hush money, I’m denying it because it never happened,’” Cooper asked. “That’s a lie?”

“Yes,” Daniels replied.

Cooper asked why she signed it. Daniels indicated that she was worried about legal repercussions. After all, we will note, she was paid $130,000 by Trump’s attorney Michael Cohen days before the 2016 election in exchange for a promise not to share the story of the alleged encounter.

...Asked under cross-examination why she denied the encounter previously, Daniels pointed to the nondisclosure agreement that she had been paid to sign.

So, actually, her denial is evidence of the payment to silence her.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 05, 2024, 08:59:45 PM »
Are you trying to tell me that the one thing causing Biden to get curbstomped in the polls is also the one thing you think he did well? Out of everything you could positively say about Biden "his economy hasn't done badly" might be just the most insane take I've ever read.

I don't live in the US so I've no real feel for how the economy is doing, but I've read some stuff which indicates the US economy is pretty strong right now. Although interestingly the perception is that it's doing poorly. There seems to be a gap between the perception and the reality

Why are you so sure it wasn't rigged against him?

Because none of the "evidence" Trump presented stood up to any scrutiny.
If you're going make a claim like Trump did then you have to provide evidence and he couldn't. He spouted a load of baseless rhetoric on Twitter (before he got banned). Anyone can do that. But every time his claims were tested in court they failed. Every audit confirmed the initial results. There's just no credible evidence that the election was rigged against Trump.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 05, 2024, 03:17:50 PM »
No it doesn't, lol.
Ah, OK. My bad (as you lot say). I misread it. You see how Andrew Jackson / Andrew Johnson could confuse a stupid person ???

This list is almost exactly the same as US News...
I suspect most lists will be fairly similar. It is subjective, but I guess there will be rough consensus amongst historians.

Trump expanded the US economy, was the first to take war with China and Russia seriously, and, most importantly, was the first president in decades to finally pull out of the Middle East. Better yet, he started zero coups and wars in the Middle East.
All fair. I would note that the economy was already expanding when he arrived, he didn't do anything to stop it but I'm not sure how much credit he should get for it. The economy hasn't done badly under Biden, has it?

What, precisely, is so terrible about him? It feels like anyone who doesn't like Trump really just boils down to "I don't like the way he says things, he is a big meaniehead :("
There is some of that. But I have a general concern about anyone in power who has such a flagrant disregard for the truth. I felt the same about Johnson over here. Shouldn't we want our leaders to be honest and have integrity? And the dangerous thing about Trump is the way he undermines the media, the very people who should be holding him to account. Anything which calls him out on his lies is "fake news", they present "alternative facts".

So sure, the US didn't collapse in to a heap under Trump - I'd note it hasn't under Biden either. But Trump's actions during his presidency and in the aftermath of him losing in 2020 potentially undermine the very office of president and faith in US democracy, given how his followers lap up his every word about how it was all rigged against him.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 05, 2024, 01:52:19 PM »
but suspiciously, I don't see Andrew Jackson on this list. You know, the president that owned plantations and slaves, shot people who disagreed with him (literally, for disagreeing with him) and enacted genocide on several Native American tribes. Yet, he's not on this magical list of worst presidents.
Do you like this list better? It puts Jackson as the worst

And still has Trump as 3rd worst.

Obviously this is subjective.
Equally obviously I'm mostly just trolling Tom.
But Trump isn't exactly going to go down in history as a great president, is he? He blundered and lied his way through his Presidency and then pouted and sulked when he lost the next election and refused to admit he lost. If anyone vaguely competent was running against him there's no way he'd be re-elected.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 05, 2024, 01:46:20 PM »
Trump is a famous former president
When someone is famous for being bad, the correct word is "infamous"

The 3rd worst in history and the only living person in the bottom 10:


Literally a few posts after you provided a source from one of the dudes behind The Gateway Pundit  :D

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 05, 2024, 01:22:54 PM »
Trump is a famous former president
When someone is famous for being bad, the correct word is "infamous"

The 3rd worst in history and the only living person in the bottom 10:

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 05, 2024, 06:39:20 AM »
Wow, hypocritical. Stormy Daniels retracting her claim that she slept with Trump doesn't stop you from disbelieving her.
That would work better if it didn’t come from someone who continues to believe Trump despite his numerous demonstrable lies.
Above I posted a video showing all the utter nonsense Trump spouted about the things that would happen if Biden became president. None of them did. And yet you still hang on his every word…

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 04, 2024, 01:21:24 PM »
Trump said that he didn't have knowledge of the payment.

Trump says lots of things. He said he didn't sleep with Stormy Daniels too. He's a proven liar and now a convicted felon, why would you believe anything he says?
Stormy Daniels said Trump didn't sleep with her.

Do you believe her?
She said there was no sleeping involved. Yes, I believe her.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 04, 2024, 10:27:31 AM »
Trump said that he didn't have knowledge of the payment.

Trump says lots of things. He said he didn't sleep with Stormy Daniels too. He's a proven liar and now a convicted felon, why would you believe anything he says?

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 03, 2024, 08:46:28 AM »
I thought this was interesting

I know David Pakman is not exactly unbiased, but Trump did say all those things that would happen if Biden became president.
I'd forgotten till recently just how much utter bollocks Trump spouts.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 31, 2024, 04:20:14 PM »
This is an often repeated phrase now, "a convicted felon", but who really cares? Would Democrats vote for a "convicted felon"? The answer is yes. Would Republicans? I think it's obviously also yes.

I don't think there is a single person that was voting for Trump and switched to Biden after the verdict. Trump voters see it as a sham trial that reinforces Trump's "deep state" narrative. Biden voters weren't going to vote for Trump, even if he wasn't found guilty. The outcome of the trial quite simply didn't matter. It was already baked into existing polls.

Polls indicate he is in a statistical dead heat with President Joe Biden and maintains a slight edge in many key swing states that will decide the election. But those surveys also provide evidence that this conviction might change all of that.
In exit polls conducted during the Republican primaries this winter, double-digit numbers of voters said that they would not vote for the former president if he were convicted of a felony.
An April survey by Ipsos and ABC News found that 16% of those backing Trump would reconsider their support in such a situation.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 31, 2024, 02:18:58 PM »
What evidence? There is no evidence he committed a single felony, let alone 34, related to a single incident.
I think it was the evidence that the jury just finished considering before finding him guilty on all 34 counts. So that evidence

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 31, 2024, 08:00:28 AM »
The number of moderates that were deciding who to vote for based entirely on the outcome of a porn star payoff trial is precisely zero. If you were voting for Trump, the outcome of the trial didn't matter. If you weren't voting for Trump, the outcome of the trial didn't matter.
Not entirely. But the fact Trump is now a convicted felon isn’t going to make anyone reconsider? I’m not saying you’re wrong but it would be a bit weird if this wasn’t a factor for anyone

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 31, 2024, 06:34:14 AM »
lol, and right on cue here’s our friendly neighbourhood cult member to say what good news this is for Trump.
They’re nothing if not predictable.

And talking of predictable, I see Trump did his “it’s all rigged” schtick. And the cult members just lapped it all up.

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