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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: Today at 03:21:20 AM »

The jury actually ruled that he didn't rape anyone.

Is someone who has an affair logically more or less likely to cut taxes? To pursue foreign intervention? To support gay marriage? It doesn't really make sense.

Remember who you’re talking to.
I’ve literally no idea what Action is talking about. Clinton had an affair with an intern and therefore he’s left wing seems to be the implication.

It’s a “if she floats then she’s made of wood and therefore a witch” level of logic.

Trump has had multiple affairs. He’s been adjudicated to be a rapist. So what does that make him? Is that more or less left wing than Clinton? Just utter nonsense

Please stop lying. The jury ruled that he didn't rape E. Jean Caroll, and the leftists here were in shambles over it.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 08, 2025, 07:22:56 PM »

So you went with the 'This was intentional and Trump is playing 4D chess' but with alot of maybe.

But since both Trump and Pam said they have the evidence, it's clear they were lying.  You wouldn't say you have something then say you don't as a honeypot for the people on the list.

I couldn't find a direct promise by Trump to release the sex trafficking client list. I found this from 2024:

https://mynbc15.com/news/nation-world/trump-teases-releasing-epstein-client-list-if-elected-id-certainly-take-a-look-at-it-bill-clinton-jeffrey-prince-andrew-rfk-jr-island-plane-stephen-hawking-donald-election-2024-sex-trafficking

“It’s just very strange for a lot of people that the list of clients that went to the island has not been made public,” Fridman said.

“Yeah, it’s very interesting, isn’t it?” Trump said.

“So if you’re able to, you’ll ---” Fridman began.

“Yeah, I’d certainly take a look at it,” Trump said.

Since Trump had access to everything as President, his specific wording matters. Trump doesn't say that he there is a specific client list of people who rented children from Epstein through sex trafficking that the government is withholding. There is list of people who went to the island that is being withheld. We already have a lot of those names who went to the island, which are hundreds of celebrities and rich people.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 08, 2025, 12:17:35 PM »

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm2m879neljo

Curious how Tom will spin this.
Official story?
Democrat edits?
Hillary Clinton?

Or will they finally start to question if Trump, who was president at the time, had a hand in it...

This has been happening for almost two decades now. Epstein was convicted for sex trafficking 19 years ago, and since then his list of associates was continually threatened to be released, but then somehow not released. At this point we can only hope that the wealthy clients are being snatched under seal in a massive honeypot of self incrimination.

It is suspect to me how a man who didn't even have a company website obtained hundreds of millions of dollars, giving credence to the claims that he was part of an covert operation designed to gather blackmail against the rich and powerful. If true, the system will never allow the details of this to be fully known and expose itself, no matter who is President.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 06, 2025, 07:22:08 PM »

It is Democrats who are extremely dissatisfied with their party, not Republicans. This is why you guys claim "I'm not really a Democrat" or "I'm not really a liberal" and claim some kind of moderate stance despite your leftist values and voting history. In contrast, Republicans and conservatives are generally satisfied with their labels and don't put distance between their party and themselves in this way.

Elon still has some credence as a leftist leader. His right wing antics are generally being characterized as a crazy phase of life and excuses are already being made for him. In time he will be forgiven by the left.

Recall that he already attempted to divide the Democrats  when he first switched over with numerous tweets of direct reason and convincing. His goal with this new party and the manufactured division is clearly to divide the Democrats in a more subtle way, claiming to be a moderate alternative.

Again, it is the Democrats who have been calling for a moderate alternative to their party, not the Republicans, showing us the truth on what this really is.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 02, 2025, 04:13:43 AM »

It's fairly absurd by any measure to claim that a billionaire is not a good businessman. Even the claim that he received a jumpstart through millions from his father just means that both Trump and his father are good business men.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: June 27, 2025, 05:15:45 PM »

From the above PBS article:

The Israeli military also confirmed it struck roads around Iran’s Fordo enrichment facility to obstruct access to the site.

They took out the roads to prevent emergency responders from trying to help people who may have been trapped or dying in the rubble. This is reprehensible, and likely a war crime. Attacking the survivors of a bombing is distinctly different than the bombing of the infrastructure itself.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: June 24, 2025, 05:26:25 AM »

ITT:

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1937296693583839639

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: June 19, 2025, 09:38:37 PM »

I do have criticisms about Trump...

You do?  Would you care to share some of them?

I've criticized that in Trump's first term his policies were weak and he held back, giving leftists many chances and too much leeway. Now that the gloves have come off in his second term Trump is doing what should have been done years ago, and the people love him for it.

https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1935774344732361207

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: June 15, 2025, 04:26:26 PM »

Past experience of your posts after every misspeak by Biden tells me different. Or, at the very least, if someone else had brought it up you’d have piled on. That isn’t speculation, there’s a clear pattern in your posting.
Any slight misstep from the people you like and it’s defend and deny. If it’s someone on the other side then it’s all out attack.

I’m not particularly defending Biden, he clearly was mentally unfit for office. But Trump is unfit for office too - in a different way - but because he is your guy the mental backflips you will do to find no fault in him and defend everything he says and does are ridiculous. It’s intellectually dishonest. You must at some level acknowledge that Trump is human and therefore fallible. And yet I don’t recall ever seeing you criticise or condemn anything he says or does. And it’s that which makes you appear like a cult member who is so far gone they can find no fault in their glorious leader. And that’s what makes any honest conversation with you impossible.

This is a terrible argument. You come to us with a constant stream of lies and partisan smears, and are wondering why I never agree with you. I never agree with you because all of your content comes from partisan journalists with a long history of smearing conservatives in the most dishonest ways possible. Your information comes from a single, mud throwing side. If you came up with your own unique arguments, or posted the conservative criticisms, I would have much more respect for them.

I do have criticisms about Trump, but they are entirely unrelated to everything you post. You post the most low brow, alarmist content and think that it's good as any other.

Ultimately, this is a psychological problem. Your over-emotional liberal nature keeps you and your journalists from operating within reason. A great many liberals operate in an emotional, childish manner, like the man in the below video.

https://twitter.com/iAnonPatriot/status/1934242985518260588

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: June 15, 2025, 03:53:27 PM »

And how do you think Tom would have interpreted it had Biden said it?

I probably wouldn't have commented. After watching the video or reading the transcript anyone can see that argument that Trump thinks that Putin was in WWII is weak.

I'm not sure why you are still attempting to put Joe Biden on an even level though. Joe Biden's reelection candidacy was rejected by his own party because he was mentally unfit for president. It was an embarrassment.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: June 14, 2025, 02:48:15 PM »

So... "Trump fought in WW2 and was very helpful in securing it." - is something you'd understand as USA?  Because typically we'd use the leader of the nation at that time, not currently.

Also, Trump seems to not understand that 80+ years have gone by and governments change, nor the whole cold war propaganda that he literally lived through.

Trump says to World Leader 2 "We lost half a million soldiers in WWII". World Leader 2 then says to someone else, referring to that conversation: "He lost half a million soldiers in WWII" and "He fought with us in WWII" Both of the later two sentences make perfect sense to consider Trump as the USA in this instance, considering that Trump is describing the USA as "we". Especially if during the conversation World Leader 2 clarified that "and he did fight, the US fought" to convey that "he" means the US.

I am certain that everyone here understands this and that you guys are continuing with this liberal tactic of "playing dumb" to make an argument.

He'll understand it whatever way his cult leader tells him to.
Imagine being an "independent thinker" and having such a slavish devotion to a narcissist's whims.
I like to think Tom is just trolling but I have a feeling he really is this much of a sheep.

Independent thinking isn't blindly posting the partisan rubbish you find on the internet. Your entire narrative is almost completely rubbish, and this exemplifies it. If you had watched the video before posting it you would have found that there was a whole lot of context in the "..." that your sources were lying to you about, but you accepted uncritically. You basically took a lie and posted it here, spreading lies to us directly.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes

« on: June 14, 2025, 01:27:53 AM »

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: June 13, 2025, 06:05:00 PM »

"I talked to Putin. He lost 51 million people (in WWII) and he did fight… He fought with us in World War II and everybody hates him.”
- Trump

Is that the Putin who was born in 1952?

Stop lying. He is talking about WWII in a geopolitical manner and is referring to countries by their leaders. He is clearly referring to Putin in terms of Russia fought with the USA in WWII, not Putin personally. This is abundantly clear in the below video at the 19 second mark when he says "and he did fight, Russia fought". It is further understood why Putin is referred to as his country when Trump explains how he is referring to a prior WWII conversation with Putin where Putin said "we lost 50 Million people", hence why Trump would say that "he" lost 50 million people, and that "he" fought with the USA in WWII.

It is fairly understandable what he is saying, and it is apparent that you are playing dumb to make your argument.

https://twitter.com/BulwarkOnline/status/1933207285733756966

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: June 12, 2025, 07:38:09 PM »

When the famous billionaire owner is coming from out of town and appears in front of the building with his limo, obviously everyone will know about it.

Of course people would have known he was there, that doesn't mean they would have expected him to come barging in to their dressing room while they were getting changed.

It appears to me that you are repeating liberal falsities.

I'm repeating Trump:

“You know they’re standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women. And so I sort of get away with things like that.”

What's there to "get away with" if that's OK?

Obviously your tactic to keep defending the perversions of your cult leader is deny, deny, deny. Whatever helps you cope I guess.

You are referencing a comedy show where participants are encouraged to skew events to be as humorous or lewd as possible. Comedy sources are not a good way to get your information.

We have a witness who says that the reality was different. Trump did go backstage, but the participants were warned ahead of time. These pageants are fairly sensitive about this sort of thing and potential lawsuits from inappropriate behavior or sexual harassment

Another contestant throws doubts on your narrative:

https://www.tmz.com/2016/10/13/katie-blair-donald-trump-beauty-pageant-dressing-rooms/

Katie was Miss Teen USA '06 and Miss CA USA '11 ... and Trump owned both pageants at the time. We talked to her about her interactions with the boss, and while she admits there were plenty of situations for him to leer ... she insists it NEVER happened.

Katie says anyone who's had any experience with live TV would know there's an obvious reason why Trump couldn't have done many of the things some other pageant contestants have accused him of doing.

In the embedded video on this page she affirms that if Trump did go backstage, that the girls were well aware of it. She also points out that it is operationally unrealistic that some of what is claimed could happen during a live broadcast.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: June 12, 2025, 02:26:42 PM »

Actually they were once friends, but Trump banned Epstein from Mar-a-lago for being a pedophile.

Why would he have done that? Trump loves that sort of thing

Four women who competed in the 1997 Miss Teen USA beauty pageant also said the Republican used to walk in. Some of the girls were as young as 15.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-former-miss-arizona-tasha-dixon-naked-undressed-backstage-howard-stern-a7357866.html#

Trump has openly boasted about doing this and sexually assaulting women. He has been adjudicated as a rapist.

The lengths you have to go to in order to defend him are increasingly desperate

This is clearly incorrect. When the famous billionaire owner is coming from out of town and appears in front of the building with his limo, obviously everyone will know about it. The chaperones told them ahead of time when a visitor was coming. A participant of the 1997 Miss Teen USA event you referenced says that you are promoting lies:

https://nmpoliticalreport.com/2016/10/13/trump-backstage-activity-in-97-exaggerated-says-former-miss-teen-nm/

A former Miss Teen New Mexico contestant that year confirmed that Trump made his way backstage at the Miss Teen USA pageant, but told NM Political Report that some reports of his actions have been exaggerated.

Victoria Hughes, Miss Teen New Mexico in 1997, said she remembers chaperones “saying that we had a visitor and to get covered up,” but stopped short of accusing Trump of inappropriate behavior.

“While I do not support Donald Trump, stories about him barging in on teenage girls is not correct,” Hughes wrote in an email to NM Political Report. “Our chaperones would never have allowed that to happen, and no one, not even Donald, deserves to be lied about in this way.”

It appears to me that you are repeating liberal falsities.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Physicist Brian Cox on Universal Acceleration

« on: June 09, 2025, 09:11:50 PM »

Do you ever read and try to understand the material you cite? The "Seafloor Compliance" study is about deformation of the sea floor under pressure from water waves. You have read the terms "gravity wave", "infragravity wave" and "ultragravity wave" and thought this must be how gravity is detected, but nowhere in that study is measuring acceleration due to gravity even mentioned, nor is a measured gravitational acceleration given.

Yes, I did read it. It says that a gravimeter is reading these "gravity waves" which are measured in Hz, therefore a gravimeter is a seismic detecting device. It also shows that seismic data is interpreted as gravity data. The fundamental error here is in not understanding the principled of what is being detected.

Your argument that only some gravimeters are seismometers is spurious. They are all seismometers, and are all measuring the same principle of gravity. We have seen enough information to show that this is the case.

Here is an example of an absolute gravimeters detecting "Gravity Waves". See the caption of the below image:

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Christian-Ullrich-2/publication/304612229_Poster_Presentation_EGU2016/links/5774c48a08ae4645d60a16c7/Poster-Presentation-EGU2016.pdf

Measurements and Processing:

The absolute gravity measurements in this project were performed with the Austrian absolute gravimeter FG5-242
of BEV and were recorded over two nights and one day at each station; that minimizes errors due to the
determination of the tides correction. Merely at station Saranda the measurements could only be performed during
one night and a half day. Between 4500 and 7000 drops were used at each station for absolute gravity calculation.
Two or three runs (with different laser wavelengths) were performed at each station. The average weighted value of the runs at an absolute gravity stations ( see figure 6,7 and 8 ) is the final absolute gravity value which refers to
exactly 122 cm above the benchmark of each station

In the caption we see reference to detecting gravity waves. The "correlative mean" on 30 September is given as 980270189.75 uGal, but we see in the chart that the actual values presented are very low. The values go above and below 0 over time, just like a seismometer.

A falling object provides an independent reference against the vibrations of the device. It does not make sense that only some kind of gravimeters are basing their fundamentals on the seismic interpretation of gravity, considering that we read that absolute gravimeters detect gravity waves and also produce data which looks like a seismic chart. We will need to see more information from you that an absolute gravimeter operates on a completely different version of gravimetry.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: June 07, 2025, 02:10:40 AM »

Elon states that he will "apologise profusely" to Trump once the Epstein files are released. This is an odd comment, considering that his grievances were originally about an entirely different topic, but he is apparently now able to wave it all away.



If Elon knew that Trump did bad things to children, why would he "apologise profusely" to Trump once the files were released showing this? This does not make much sense, and further suggests that this is manufactured.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: June 07, 2025, 01:19:35 AM »

There was no need to infer anything. We've known about Trump and Epstein's close connection for decades. Trump fans usually just refuse to accept that fate, or even more amusingly, concoct elaborate theories about Trump was secretly "undercover" the whole time in preparation for his eventual war against the Deep State.

Actually they were once friends, but Trump banned Epstein from Mar-a-lago for being a pedophile.

See: https://www.the-sun.com/news/618186/donald-trump-banned-jeffrey-epstein-mar-a-lago-underage-girl/



It looks like you and the Democrats have foolishly taken the bait in this manufactured feud. Previously Democrats were putting up roadblocks to getting the Epstein information out to the public, with Biden notably refraining from releasing the files.

Elon seems to have found the key to convincing the entrenched establishment to throw their celebrities and donor elite under the bus. The key is to dangle the prospect of finally getting Trump. Democrat Reps are now putting pressure on the FBI to get the full unredacted Epstein files.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5337155-democrats-ask-bondi-for-epstein-files-after-musks-trump-allegation/



Notice Elon's purposely vague statement on this that Trump is "in the Epstein files". We already knew this. The fact that no further details or accusations are made, only inferences, is evidence that this is a trick.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes

« on: June 06, 2025, 06:55:34 PM »

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Physicist Brian Cox on Universal Acceleration

« on: June 01, 2025, 09:57:23 PM »

If the surveyor was instead using a relative gravimeter, the latitude correction would also be made for the difference in latitude between Sacramento and Emigrant Gap, which is 42.9 nautical miles or 79.5km.

Your opinion is contradicted by your own sources. It's not only relative gravimeters where the results are corrected by latitude. The source you provided, 30 years of absolute gravity measurements in South America, said that the absolute gravimeter corrects for "the effect of the rotation of the Earth", which means all of it.

The process is controlled by a computer that corrects the
luni-solar attraction, the effect of rotation of the Earth,
the ocean load and the barometric pressure, providing a
final “g” value;

This paper below describes both absolute and relative gravimeters, and then goes on to say that "gravimeters do not give direct measurements of gravity". This means that neither kind of gravimeter is measuring gravity directly.

https://gogn.orkustofnun.is/unu-gtp-sc/UNU-GTP-SC-16-13.pdf

3.4 Measurements of gravity

There are two kinds of gravity meters. An absolute gravimeter measures the actual value of g by
measuring the speed of a falling mass using a laser beam. Although this meter achieves precisions of
0.01to 0.001 mGal (milliGals, or 1/1000 Gal), they are expensive, heavy, and bulky. A second type of
gravity meter measures relative changes in g between two locations, see Figure 6.

....

3.6 Reduction of data

Gravimeters do not give direct measurements of gravity; rather, a meter reading is taken which is then
multiplied by an instrumental calibration factor to produce a value of observed gravity (known as
gobs). The correction process is known as gravity data reduction or reduction to the geoid. The
various corrections that can be applied are the following.

This statement that gravimeters are not detecting gravity directly shows that you are incorrect. As you describe it, an absolute gravimeter should be detecting gravity in full. Instead, it is really analyzing the vibration of the mirrors while the falling object is disconnected from the device for a more accurate comparison. It is using the same seismic gravity phenomena as the other referenced gravimeter devices, not something completely different.

It is absolute because the body in freefall is disconnected and not vibrating with the device, allowing a better measurement.