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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 15, 2022, 04:13:41 PM »
Yeah. Well. At least he didn’t whisper.
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You were repeatedly attempting to trivialize it by calling it a "clump of cells".I was simply dealing with the nonsense that abortion is the same as killing a living, breathing baby.
It is no surprise that women willing to murder their own children don't regret it.Because they don't regard it as such.
Those are puff papers to deny the obvious. Look at the manipulative the questions they are askingAnd you think the site you posted from is neutral? It says:
After submitting your testimonial it will be reviewed and if approved posted to our website. You will not be contacted and your contact information will remain private. Thank you for sharing and helping other women and men know the true experiences of abortion.
“Banning abortion will be a benefit to women”Women are happiest when they’re barefoot and pregnant. That’s just science
-an old conservative white guy
I don't see a difference between a woman purposefully ending her pregnancy because it inconveniences her versus a woman killing her toddler because it inconveniences her.Yes you do.
They're all children, the only difference is age.No they aren't.
When I think of creepy, I think of this:Yeah, but he's not whispering so it's fine.
Biden's speeches can be very odd.It's hilarious, and a bit depressing, how easy it is for FOX to tell you what to think.
Covfefe! I remember when Trump mumbled and spoke nonsensically
Yeah, that' didn't happen.
Right. Trump never spoke nonsense. Got it
“Look, having nuclear—my uncle was a great professor
and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good
genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton
School of Finance, very good, very smart —you know, if
you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if,
like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m
one of the smartest people anywhere in the world—it’s
true!—but when you’re a conservative Republican they
try—oh, do they do a number—that’s why I always start
off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there,
went there, did this, built a fortune—you know I have to
give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little
disadvantaged—but you look at the nuclear deal, the
thing that really bothers me—it would have been so easy,
and it’s not as important as these lives are (nuclear is
powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many
years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he
would explain the power of what’s going to happen and
he was right—who would have thought?), but when you
look at what’s going on with the four prisoners—now it
used to be three, now it’s four—but when it was three and
even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger;
fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they
haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now
than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about
another 150 years—but the Persians are great negotiators,
the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just
killed, they just killed us.”
You do you dude. The TL;DR is people have different standards. In fact, the link you provided says that. Do you even read the stuff you cherry pick from? Your link says:Quote from: AllAroundTheWorldAnd yet many vegetarians eat eggs.
Actually, let me just cherry pick something which I think fits my agenda.
Whether or not you can eat eggs depends largely on the type of vegetarian diet that you follow. Semi-vegetarian and pescetarian diets allow for the consumption of eggs, as well as some animal or fish meats
All stages of living organisms need to eat.And then you randomly switch the language to "want"
Purpously killing a zygote is no different than purposely stepping on nest of turtle eggs. You colloquially killed a bunch of turtles when you did that.And yet many vegetarians eat eggs.
Tom, for the avoidance of doubt: do you propose that some children should feel unloved or ashamed for who they are?
For super-duper-extra avoidance of doubt: this is a yes/no question. We can work out the details afterwards. An answer that doesn't include a clear "yes" or a "no" will be considered a cop-out.
Yes, certainly.
What?And given that you've said elsewhere that kids who grow up to be gay or trans-gender should feel "unloved and ashamed"To be fair, he quite obviously misspoke there, which is why I chose not to bring it up in that conversation.
It actually illustrates your fallacy quite well. Newborn babies are not that developed, and can't pass the tests for consciousness.
Why should it really matter at what week the pregnancy is terminated? In each case it is a human life who wants to live.
This thread was a particularly fun read for what pregnancy can do to your body that you don't often hear about.Are there unofficial Jews?
A ten day old baby is hardly consciousBullshit.
I think Tom et al will make a distinction between human life and non-human life.ITT Tom ascribes will and intent to a clump of cells. I suppose if that is what you believe, then being pro-life is consistent, but it does require you to ascribe will and intent to a clump of cells.It also requires you to oppose cancer treatment.
It is not an object or a substance, it is a living organism.I didn't dispute the living part. I said that it wasn't by any sensible definition a human life. No-one regards a clump of cells as equivalent to human life which you could say "wants" anything. It has no consciousness.
Why should it really matter at what week the pregnancy is terminated? In each case it is a human life who wants to live.A clump of cells doesn’t “want” anything and by no sensible definition would you declare it a human life.