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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: June 16, 2025, 09:45:43 AM »

It's a dishonest tactic, and one that I'm not going to indulge in myself.

Somewhat guilty as charged, I was partly fishing a bit to see if Tom would bite - he rarely disappoints.
But I still think the way Trump phrased it was odd - why would Russia being our ally in WWII have any influence on how the West views Putin who famously wasn't alive at the time. And Trump's lack of understanding of how we could be a country's ally 80 years ago and not now is somewhat baffling.

Trump is every bit as senile as Biden was, if not more.

I'm not sure about that. Trump rambles, but he's always done that.
You look at transcripts of his speeches from 10 years ago and they make as little sense as the ones today. This from 2016, for example:

https://x.com/StigAbell/status/763075178926596096

Trump isn't sharp or lucid, but by comparison he comes across as much less of a senile old man than Biden. Some of that is energy and confidence, but some of it is I think Trump is in a better cognitive place than Biden is. Obviously he's not as going to be as sharp as he was 30 years ago, no-one is as sharp in their 70s as their 40s, but I don't have big concerns about his cognitive abilities in terms of senility. My bigger issues with him are I completely disagree with his politics, he makes decisions based on gut feel rather than data and he's very transactional and easy to manipulate by flattery. He rails against "fake news" while believing and parroting right wing demonstrably false propaganda about immigrants eating pets. It's the age old trick - blame the minority group and pretend that it's those people who are causing your problems to distract you from what is actually causing the problems. He's a wannabe dictator. I think he's picked the wrong country to try it in but it beggars belief that after January 6th he managed to get elected a second time.

Fuck the Republicans for kowtowing to him rather than reigning him in.
And Fuck the Democrats for sticking with Biden for so long, lying about his clear senility and being in such a mess that there's no credible alternative to Trump right now.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: June 15, 2025, 08:45:11 PM »

This is a terrible argument.

I'm not making an argument. I'm simply highlighting your clear pattern of behaviour. Your assessment of actions and words depends entirely on who did or said them rather than on their own merits. Which renders honest discussion impossible. I'm uncertain whether you are being dishonest with us (and therefore trolling) or with yourself (and simply deluded)

You come to us with a constant stream of lies

A claim which cannot be taken seriously given the above and your last accusation of me lying was a response to my quoting Trump verbatim.
Now, I don't think Trump really believes Putin fought in World War II - I thought his phrasing was odd, but I know what he was trying to say. But even what he was trying to say was pretty dumb - he was basically saying it's odd that Russia was our ally in WWII and now people don't like them. How could that be? How about because of the EIGHTY YEARS of geopolitics since then.

I do have criticisms about Trump

No, you don't. Because you're in his cult and you cannot bear to hear any criticism of him. The mental backflips you do to defend him and his cronies are ridiculous. But OK, prove me wrong - what are your criticism of him? Come on, this is a safe space, Trump won't read this.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: June 15, 2025, 04:06:31 PM »

And how do you think Tom would have interpreted it had Biden said it?

I probably wouldn't have commented.

Past experience of your posts after every misspeak by Biden tells me different. Or, at the very least, if someone else had brought it up you’d have piled on. That isn’t speculation, there’s a clear pattern in your posting.
Any slight misstep from the people you like and it’s defend and deny. If it’s someone on the other side then it’s all out attack.

I’m not particularly defending Biden, he clearly was mentally unfit for office. But Trump is unfit for office too - in a different way - but because he is your guy the mental backflips you will do to find no fault in him and defend everything he says and does are ridiculous. It’s intellectually dishonest. You must at some level acknowledge that Trump is human and therefore fallible. And yet I don’t recall ever seeing you criticise or condemn anything he says or does. And it’s that which makes you appear like a cult member who is so far gone they can find no fault in their glorious leader. And that’s what makes any honest conversation with you impossible.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: June 14, 2025, 08:03:41 PM »

I think Tom's interpretation is fair.

And how do you think Tom would have interpreted it had Biden said it?
And this is the issue with Tom and the MAGA lot in general. The ones deep in the cult don't care what happens or what is said, they only care who did it. If it's Trump or Vance or one of the other MAGA then it's ThisIsFine.jpg, no matter how egregious what is said or done is. If it's Biden or any other Democrat then it's interpreted in the most unkind and malicious way possible.
It's a level of delusion and intellectual dishonestly which makes debate impossible.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: June 14, 2025, 08:24:42 AM »

So... "Trump fought in WW2 and was very helpful in securing it." - is something you'd understand as USA?

He'll understand it whatever way his cult leader tells him to.
Imagine being an "independent thinker" and having such a slavish devotion to a narcissist's whims.
I like to think Tom is just trolling but I have a feeling he really is this much of a sheep.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: June 13, 2025, 05:32:47 PM »

"I talked to Putin. He lost 51 million people (in WWII) and he did fight… He fought with us in World War II and everybody hates him.”
- Trump

Is that the Putin who was born in 1952?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: June 12, 2025, 03:29:36 PM »

When the famous billionaire owner is coming from out of town and appears in front of the building with his limo, obviously everyone will know about it.

Of course people would have known he was there, that doesn't mean they would have expected him to come barging in to their dressing room while they were getting changed.

It appears to me that you are repeating liberal falsities.

I'm repeating Trump:

“You know they’re standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women. And so I sort of get away with things like that.”

What's there to "get away with" if that's OK?

Obviously your tactic to keep defending the perversions of your cult leader is deny, deny, deny. Whatever helps you cope I guess.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: June 07, 2025, 09:39:08 AM »

Actually they were once friends, but Trump banned Epstein from Mar-a-lago for being a pedophile.

Why would he have done that? Trump loves that sort of thing

Four women who competed in the 1997 Miss Teen USA beauty pageant also said the Republican used to walk in. Some of the girls were as young as 15.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-former-miss-arizona-tasha-dixon-naked-undressed-backstage-howard-stern-a7357866.html#

Trump has openly boasted about doing this and sexually assaulting women. He has been adjudicated as a rapist.

The lengths you have to go to in order to defend him are increasingly desperate

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: June 06, 2025, 01:53:09 PM »

"Trump considering selling his Tesla and not interested in talking to Musk yet after public row"

 

Apparently Trump also said that Musk is a poo poo pants and that he won't be inviting him to his birthday party.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: June 05, 2025, 09:06:55 PM »

Well who could have seen this coming?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-elon-musk-disappointed-fallout-b2764620.html

Apart from everyone.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: June 04, 2025, 08:05:21 PM »

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2r108l785o

Wasn’t he going to sort this out “very easily” in a day?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: May 29, 2025, 05:50:37 AM »

Wah, wah, wah, waaah

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8xgdj9kyero

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: May 26, 2025, 11:05:26 AM »

Wasn’t he going to fix this in a day?

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/trump-says-putin-has-gone-absolutely-crazy-considering-more-sanctions-russia-2025-05-26/

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: May 22, 2025, 07:18:11 AM »

ITT: RE adherents learn that mistakes are committed on a regular basis. RE adherents claim they should not happen.

This is literally nothing to do with RE.
Yes, mistakes happen. But evaluate them honestly and consistently, I don't think that's an unreasonable ask.
The issue with the MAGA lot is their reaction to events and evaluation of them is not based on what happened but who did it.
That is not an honest or consistent way of evaluating things.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: May 21, 2025, 01:23:05 PM »

There was a correlation between stage 5 and a Gleason score of 9 as to how severe cancer is, so that little "gotcha moment," is a fucking nothingburger from RE as usual.

There is no stage 5 cancer either.

Don't confuse him with facts.

I have now seen the Tweet or whatever message it was (TruthSocial?) from Trump about it, which was appropriately sympathetic and, whisper it quietly, even presidential. It's just a shame when asked about it he couldn't help himself making it about him and how he's aceing cognitive tests and going on about Biden's cognitive decline - which is undeniable, but not really the time or the place.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: May 21, 2025, 11:00:42 AM »

It's a cancer grading system, which means it can be called a stage. Minimal research would have saved you the effort of being wrong again:

I think it's pretty clear Trump mixed up the stage of cancer with the Gleason score, but I can agree that even if he did and misspoke somewhat, it's not a "calling Zelensky Putin" level mix-up.

So moving on, what do you make of Trump being asked about Biden and immediately changing the subject to how good his own health was and then going on about Biden's cognitive decline?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: May 21, 2025, 10:23:22 AM »

Trump is correct in both his choice of terminology

Nope. He said "stage 9".
Twice.
The word "stage" doesn't even appear on the web page you linked to. Whoopsie!

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: May 21, 2025, 05:43:55 AM »

He does briefly say it's "sad" but any normal human would have leant more heavily on that than all the other stuff he's rambling on about.

Then why haven't you expressed your sympathies or sadness like a normal person would do in the two posts you've made about this now?

So you agree that Trump’s comments are indefensible and are reduced to changing the subject and a weak attempt at whataboutism.
Good to know.

I’m not the POTUS and haven’t been asked for comment. Trump has. So let me try again. What do you think of Trump’s comments? And do you agree that his repeated use of the phrase “stage 9” demonstrates his own cognitive decline? Which is ironic when being given the opportunity to express sympathy for another human he instead switches to boasting about his own health.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: May 20, 2025, 09:13:05 PM »

What the utter fuck is he talking about?



Twice he says Biden has "stage 9" cancer, which isn't a thing, while saying how well he'd done on his cognitive tests.
The rest is an utter ramble. He does briefly say it's "sad" but any normal human would have leant more heavily on that than all the other stuff he's rambling on about.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden

« on: May 18, 2025, 08:48:31 PM »

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwywqg7lq1zo

Biden diagnosed with prostate cancer.