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Are flights from and to French Polynesia a hoax?
« on: April 12, 2020, 01:54:08 PM »
According to Wikipedia, Tahiti is the largest island of the Windward group of the Society Islands in French Polynesia, located in the central part of the Pacific Ocean. On the island, there is the only international airport in the region, Faa'a International Airport.

There are more, but let's focus on two flights :

Air Tahiti Nui flight TN 102: Auckland - Los Angeles via Tahiti (this route is the usual way to go from Tahiti to mainland France: as there are no direct flights to Paris, people fly to LAX and from there to CDG)

LATAM Airlines Group flight LA 836: Tahiti - Santiago via Easter Island (weekly flight, Easter Island is a popular destination for Tahitians or tourists visiting Polynesia - except of course when there is a lockdown in place)

Let's calculate the distances for each segment, and match with the typical scheduled time:
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=AKL-PPT-LAX
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=PPT-IPC-SCL

AKL-PPT: 2,544 mi, 4:45h
PPT-LAX: 4,095 mi, 7:41h

PPT-IPC: 2,644 mi, 5:05h
IPC-SCL: 2,335 mi, 4:30h

Now, how would that work on a flat Earth?

On a bipolar model, it's simple, it doesn't work at all. You can't go from Auckland to Santiago via Papeete and Easter Island over the Pacific Ocean. At least one of these flights cannot exist.

On a "standard" monopole, such as the popular azimuthal equidistant projection, the segments could be possible but the distances don't match at all: Tahiti appears closer to Los Angeles than to Easter Island or Auckland, while the PPT-LAX flight actually takes approximately 50% longer, which is consistent with the calculated great circle distances. Moreover, if you sum Auckland-Papeete, Papeete-Easter Island, Easter Island-Santiago, it would take just over 14 hours. Compare the sum of distances on any flat Earth monopole map to the distance of a direct flight from Rome to Los Angeles that takes 13 hours. Even without stopovers, Auckland-Santiago is more than twice as long. These flights would need to be supersonic.

Conclusion, either the information on these flights is false (they don't exist at all, or their duration is seriously altered), either none of the proposed flat Earth maps is correct.
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Re: Are flights from and to French Polynesia a hoax?
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2020, 02:05:36 AM »
Fake, absolutely fake.

The data you provided is forged by the WHO and CIA.
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Re: Are flights from and to French Polynesia a hoax?
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2020, 04:51:19 AM »
Fake, absolutely fake.

The data you provided is forged by the WHO and CIA.

Keep the shitposting in AR/CN. Warned.

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Re: Are flights from and to French Polynesia a hoax?
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2020, 04:00:13 PM »
Now, how would that work on a flat Earth?


The idea that known flight times, flight paths, and flight distances weaken the various different FE models is something that has been discussed dozens, if not hundreds of times. Here is a large array of responses:



https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74707.msg2046469#msg2046469

 "This flight has never been existed."


https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74707.msg2044714#msg2044714
"Don't trust  aircraft companies such as Qantas and Latam by their claims about flight times. These are liars."


https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74707.msg2045126#msg2045126
"If you find a video show full flight of a travel between Chile and Australia, then there will be a possiblity that path it exist."
-These flights only exist if you can produce a full video of the entire flight.



https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74707.msg2045413#msg2045413
-flying from Santiago, Chile to Sydney Australia in about 14 hours is impossible

-Because the angles of a triangle drawn between three flight paths = 180 degrees the earth is flat.
-Because the angles of a triangle drawn between three flight paths = 179.99984 degrees the earth is slightly concave.
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg121615#msg121615



-Distances between two cities which are far apart is unknown
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg121996#msg121996


-Flight GPS systems are inaccurate
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122030#msg122030
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122441#msg122441


-GPS systems are based on a round earth therefore will give measurements/distances which support a round earth.
-Aircraft are using instruments which assume round earth coordinates which will support a round earth.
-There is no flat earth map.
-The difference in flight time is based off of flight speed which has yet to be proven.
-The airplane speed and range is based off round systems therefore will give speeds and ranges which support a round earth
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122359#msg122359


-plane speed measurements are unreliable
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122364#msg122364

-there are no flat earth flight programs, systems, GPS etc because the flat earth aircraft navigation fund is nonexistent.
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122369#msg122369


-Triangulation as a measurement of distance can be inaccurate because the "known" locations used for triangulation are based on a round earth system
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122410#msg122410


-there are almost an infinite number of continental configurations (If a flight disproves flat earth continental configuration 23985729387592873 you then need to test continental configuration 23985729387592874).
-Groundspeed measurement instruments use a round earth coordinate system therefore will give results which support a round earth
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122411#msg122411


-proof is needed that mile measurements on a highway are accurate
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122423#msg122423

-Google maps is based on a round earth coordinate system
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122433#msg122433

-any navigation system based on longitude and latitude is a round earth navigation system (which is most likely used in all navigation systems)
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122655#msg122655

-any map, navigation, or measurement system which uses Latitude and Longitude in any way is inaccurate
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122664#msg122664

-That's not the map of the earth (a variant of there is no map of the earth)
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=6633.msg122672#msg122672



« Last Edit: June 23, 2020, 04:10:18 PM by iamcpc »

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Re: Are flights from and to French Polynesia a hoax?
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2020, 04:10:25 PM »
In addition to what iampc posted, I've posted some more information here on the topic: https://wiki.tfes.org/Distances_in_the_South

Sea travel claims have some questionable anomalies and international flights seem to heavily rely on high speed winds above the Earth to get around, and may not be an accurate scientific tool to determine the Earth's geography. Ie. If a flight had to re-route to a physically longer route on a particular day (they don't take the same day-by-day routes) or had to stop and refuel to get between two points you would tell me that it's just the winds, but if the plane made it in an expedient amount of time you would say that it's the RE. Basically biased subjectivity.
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Re: Are flights from and to French Polynesia a hoax?
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2020, 08:30:19 PM »
A recent Thread "Are Plane Tickets Real?"   ( https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=15877.msg204861#msg204861 ) absolutely did-to-death the fact that flights are regularly taking place (for example) between New Zealand and South America, by several airlines, on schedule, using a Great Circle route, and that the outward and return-flight times are entirely consistent with published aircraft performance, prevailing winds and RE distances.  These flights take place several times a week, without fuel stops or mysterious cancellations.  Week after week. 

Regarding sea travel, another recent Post referencing Southern Ocean Sailing Races ( https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=16361.0 ) contained experiences from experienced sailors of the current century, again supporting RE distances. 

Whilst the Wiki has some fascinating anecdotes and quotes, it seems to be lacking (a bit like the "Ice Wall" topic) anything since the 19th Century.  Has TFES nothing more recent to add to the Sea Distances topic?  Can TFES provide any real data on the prevalence of airliners actually having to make unscheduled fuel stops? 






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Re: Are flights from and to French Polynesia a hoax?
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2020, 04:39:01 PM »
Has TFES nothing more recent to add to the Sea Distances topic?

Posts are made about how measured shipping times/distances and measured flight times/distances weaken many of the FE models almost every day. Did you not see the post I just made with like 20 responses to that statement?


Can TFES provide any real data on the prevalence of airliners actually having to make unscheduled fuel stops?

I'm sure it would not be hard to google airplane making unscheduled stops. Airplanes make unscheduled stops prolly every day because of medical emergencies, people getting into fights on the plane, hijackings, mechanical issues, fuel issues etc.
« Last Edit: June 29, 2020, 03:04:44 PM by iamcpc »

Re: Are flights from and to French Polynesia a hoax?
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2020, 07:28:11 PM »
Has TFES nothing more recent to add to the Sea Distances topic?

Posts are made about how measured shipping times/distances and measured flight times/distances weaken many of the FE models almost every day. Did you not see the post I just made with like 20 responses to that statement?



Yup, read 'em, and a fine set of  responses they are, but Tom's response to your responses was just to trot out the "anomalies" line from the Wiki.  My point to Tom was that the Wiki focuses exclusively on quotes from the logs and journals of gentlemen in top hats.  Not that I've any objection to top hats and I've immense admiration and respect for the gentlemen concerned, but they are writing in the context of 18th and 19th Century knowledge, understanding and technology. 

Something from equally intrepid seafarers, post age-of-steam, would have at least as much relevance and should be in the Wiki.