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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: June 15, 2025, 04:26:26 PM »

Past experience of your posts after every misspeak by Biden tells me different. Or, at the very least, if someone else had brought it up you’d have piled on. That isn’t speculation, there’s a clear pattern in your posting.
Any slight misstep from the people you like and it’s defend and deny. If it’s someone on the other side then it’s all out attack.

I’m not particularly defending Biden, he clearly was mentally unfit for office. But Trump is unfit for office too - in a different way - but because he is your guy the mental backflips you will do to find no fault in him and defend everything he says and does are ridiculous. It’s intellectually dishonest. You must at some level acknowledge that Trump is human and therefore fallible. And yet I don’t recall ever seeing you criticise or condemn anything he says or does. And it’s that which makes you appear like a cult member who is so far gone they can find no fault in their glorious leader. And that’s what makes any honest conversation with you impossible.

This is a terrible argument. You come to us with a constant stream of lies and partisan smears, and are wondering why I never agree with you. I never agree with you because all of your content comes from partisan journalists with a long history of smearing conservatives in the most dishonest ways possible. Your information comes from a single, mud throwing side. If you came up with your own unique arguments, or posted the conservatives criticisms, I would have much more respect for them.

I do have criticisms about Trump, but they are entirely unrelated to everything you post. You post the most low brow, alarmist content and think that it's good as any other.

Ultimately, this is a psychological problem. Your over-emotional liberal nature keeps you and your journalists from operating within reason. A great many liberals operate in an emotional, childish manner, like the man in the below video.

https://twitter.com/iAnonPatriot/status/1934242985518260588

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: June 15, 2025, 03:53:27 PM »

And how do you think Tom would have interpreted it had Biden said it?

I probably wouldn't have commented. After watching the video or reading the transcript anyone can see that argument that Trump thinks that Putin was in WWII is weak.

I'm not sure why you are still attempting to put Joe Biden on an even level though. Joe Biden's reelection candidacy was rejected by his own party because he was mentally unfit for president. It was an embarrassment.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: June 14, 2025, 02:48:15 PM »

So... "Trump fought in WW2 and was very helpful in securing it." - is something you'd understand as USA?  Because typically we'd use the leader of the nation at that time, not currently.

Also, Trump seems to not understand that 80+ years have gone by and governments change, nor the whole cold war propaganda that he literally lived through.

Trump says to World Leader 2 "We lost half a million soldiers in WWII". World Leader 2 then says to someone else, referring to that conversation: "He lost half a million soldiers in WWII" and "He fought with us in WWII" Both of the later two sentences make perfect sense to consider Trump as the USA in this instance, considering that Trump is describing the USA as "we". Especially if during the conversation World Leader 2 clarified that "and he did fight, the US fought" to convey that "he" means the US.

I am certain that everyone here understands this and that you guys are continuing with this liberal tactic of "playing dumb" to make an argument.

He'll understand it whatever way his cult leader tells him to.
Imagine being an "independent thinker" and having such a slavish devotion to a narcissist's whims.
I like to think Tom is just trolling but I have a feeling he really is this much of a sheep.

Independent thinking isn't blindly posting the partisan rubbish you find on the internet. Your entire narrative is almost completely rubbish, and this exemplifies it. If you had watched the video before posting it you would have found that there was a whole lot of context in the "..." that your sources were lying to you about, but you accepted uncritically. You basically took a lie and posted it here, spreading lies to us directly.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes

« on: June 14, 2025, 01:27:53 AM »

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: June 13, 2025, 06:05:00 PM »

"I talked to Putin. He lost 51 million people (in WWII) and he did fight… He fought with us in World War II and everybody hates him.”
- Trump

Is that the Putin who was born in 1952?

Stop lying. He is talking about WWII in a geopolitical manner and is referring to countries by their leaders. He is clearly referring to Putin in terms of Russia fought with the USA in WWII, not Putin personally. This is abundantly clear in the below video at the 19 second mark when he says "and he did fight, Russia fought". It is further understood why Putin is referred to as his country when Trump explains how he is referring to a prior WWII conversation with Putin where Putin said "we lost 50 Million people", hence why Trump would say that "he" lost 50 million people, and that "he" fought with the USA in WWII.

It is fairly understandable what he is saying, and it is apparent that you are playing dumb to make your argument.

https://twitter.com/BulwarkOnline/status/1933207285733756966

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: June 12, 2025, 07:38:09 PM »

When the famous billionaire owner is coming from out of town and appears in front of the building with his limo, obviously everyone will know about it.

Of course people would have known he was there, that doesn't mean they would have expected him to come barging in to their dressing room while they were getting changed.

It appears to me that you are repeating liberal falsities.

I'm repeating Trump:

“You know they’re standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women. And so I sort of get away with things like that.”

What's there to "get away with" if that's OK?

Obviously your tactic to keep defending the perversions of your cult leader is deny, deny, deny. Whatever helps you cope I guess.

You are referencing a comedy show where participants are encouraged to skew events to be as humorous or lewd as possible. Comedy sources are not a good way to get your information.

We have a witness who says that the reality was different. Trump did go backstage, but the participants were warned ahead of time. These pageants are fairly sensitive about this sort of thing and potential lawsuits from inappropriate behavior or sexual harassment

Another contestant throws doubts on your narrative:

https://www.tmz.com/2016/10/13/katie-blair-donald-trump-beauty-pageant-dressing-rooms/

Katie was Miss Teen USA '06 and Miss CA USA '11 ... and Trump owned both pageants at the time. We talked to her about her interactions with the boss, and while she admits there were plenty of situations for him to leer ... she insists it NEVER happened.

Katie says anyone who's had any experience with live TV would know there's an obvious reason why Trump couldn't have done many of the things some other pageant contestants have accused him of doing.

In the embedded video on this page she affirms that if Trump did go backstage, that the girls were well aware of it. She also points out that it is operationally unrealistic that some of what is claimed could happen during a live broadcast.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: June 12, 2025, 02:26:42 PM »

Actually they were once friends, but Trump banned Epstein from Mar-a-lago for being a pedophile.

Why would he have done that? Trump loves that sort of thing

Four women who competed in the 1997 Miss Teen USA beauty pageant also said the Republican used to walk in. Some of the girls were as young as 15.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-former-miss-arizona-tasha-dixon-naked-undressed-backstage-howard-stern-a7357866.html#

Trump has openly boasted about doing this and sexually assaulting women. He has been adjudicated as a rapist.

The lengths you have to go to in order to defend him are increasingly desperate

This is clearly incorrect. When the famous billionaire owner is coming from out of town and appears in front of the building with his limo, obviously everyone will know about it. The chaperones told them ahead of time when a visitor was coming. A participant of the 1997 Miss Teen USA event you referenced says that you are promoting lies:

https://nmpoliticalreport.com/2016/10/13/trump-backstage-activity-in-97-exaggerated-says-former-miss-teen-nm/

A former Miss Teen New Mexico contestant that year confirmed that Trump made his way backstage at the Miss Teen USA pageant, but told NM Political Report that some reports of his actions have been exaggerated.

Victoria Hughes, Miss Teen New Mexico in 1997, said she remembers chaperones “saying that we had a visitor and to get covered up,” but stopped short of accusing Trump of inappropriate behavior.

“While I do not support Donald Trump, stories about him barging in on teenage girls is not correct,” Hughes wrote in an email to NM Political Report. “Our chaperones would never have allowed that to happen, and no one, not even Donald, deserves to be lied about in this way.”

It appears to me that you are repeating liberal falsities.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Physicist Brian Cox on Universal Acceleration

« on: June 09, 2025, 09:11:50 PM »

Do you ever read and try to understand the material you cite? The "Seafloor Compliance" study is about deformation of the sea floor under pressure from water waves. You have read the terms "gravity wave", "infragravity wave" and "ultragravity wave" and thought this must be how gravity is detected, but nowhere in that study is measuring acceleration due to gravity even mentioned, nor is a measured gravitational acceleration given.

Yes, I did read it. It says that a gravimeter is reading these "gravity waves" which are measured in Hz, therefore a gravimeter is a seismic detecting device. It also shows that seismic data is interpreted as gravity data. The fundamental error here is in not understanding the principled of what is being detected.

Your argument that only some gravimeters are seismometers is spurious. They are all seismometers, and are all measuring the same principle of gravity. We have seen enough information to show that this is the case.

Here is an example of an absolute gravimeters detecting "Gravity Waves". See the caption of the below image:

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Christian-Ullrich-2/publication/304612229_Poster_Presentation_EGU2016/links/5774c48a08ae4645d60a16c7/Poster-Presentation-EGU2016.pdf

Measurements and Processing:

The absolute gravity measurements in this project were performed with the Austrian absolute gravimeter FG5-242
of BEV and were recorded over two nights and one day at each station; that minimizes errors due to the
determination of the tides correction. Merely at station Saranda the measurements could only be performed during
one night and a half day. Between 4500 and 7000 drops were used at each station for absolute gravity calculation.
Two or three runs (with different laser wavelengths) were performed at each station. The average weighted value of the runs at an absolute gravity stations ( see figure 6,7 and 8 ) is the final absolute gravity value which refers to
exactly 122 cm above the benchmark of each station

In the caption we see reference to detecting gravity waves. The "correlative mean" on 30 September is given as 980270189.75 uGal, but we see in the chart that the actual values presented are very low. The values go above and below 0 over time, just like a seismometer.

A falling object provides an independent reference against the vibrations of the device. It does not make sense that only some kind of gravimeters are basing their fundamentals on the seismic interpretation of gravity, considering that we read that absolute gravimeters detect gravity waves and also produce data which looks like a seismic chart. We will need to see more information from you that an absolute gravimeter operates on a completely different version of gravimetry.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: June 07, 2025, 02:10:40 AM »

Elon states that he will "apologise profusely" to Trump once the Epstein files are released. This is an odd comment, considering that his grievances were originally about an entirely different topic, but he is apparently now able to wave it all away.



If Elon knew that Trump did bad things to children, why would he "apologise profusely" to Trump once the files were released showing this? This does not make much sense, and further suggests that this is manufactured.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: June 07, 2025, 01:19:35 AM »

There was no need to infer anything. We've known about Trump and Epstein's close connection for decades. Trump fans usually just refuse to accept that fate, or even more amusingly, concoct elaborate theories about Trump was secretly "undercover" the whole time in preparation for his eventual war against the Deep State.

Actually they were once friends, but Trump banned Epstein from Mar-a-lago for being a pedophile.

See: https://www.the-sun.com/news/618186/donald-trump-banned-jeffrey-epstein-mar-a-lago-underage-girl/



It looks like you and the Democrats have foolishly taken the bait in this manufactured feud. Previously Democrats were putting up roadblocks to getting the Epstein information out to the public, with Biden notably refraining from releasing the files.

Elon seems to have found the key to convincing the entrenched establishment to throw their celebrities and donor elite under the bus. The key is to dangle the prospect of finally getting Trump. Democrat Reps are now putting pressure on the FBI to get the full unredacted Epstein files.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5337155-democrats-ask-bondi-for-epstein-files-after-musks-trump-allegation/



Notice Elon's purposely vague statement on this that Trump is "in the Epstein files". We already knew this. The fact that no further details or accusations are made, only inferences, is evidence that this is a trick.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes

« on: June 06, 2025, 06:55:34 PM »

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Physicist Brian Cox on Universal Acceleration

« on: June 01, 2025, 09:57:23 PM »

If the surveyor was instead using a relative gravimeter, the latitude correction would also be made for the difference in latitude between Sacramento and Emigrant Gap, which is 42.9 nautical miles or 79.5km.

Your opinion is contradicted by your own sources. It's not only relative gravimeters where the results are corrected by latitude. The source you provided, 30 years of absolute gravity measurements in South America, said that the absolute gravimeter corrects for "the effect of the rotation of the Earth", which means all of it.

The process is controlled by a computer that corrects the
luni-solar attraction, the effect of rotation of the Earth,
the ocean load and the barometric pressure, providing a
final “g” value;

This paper below describes both absolute and relative gravimeters, and then goes on to say that "gravimeters do not give direct measurements of gravity". This means that neither kind of gravimeter is measuring gravity directly.

https://gogn.orkustofnun.is/unu-gtp-sc/UNU-GTP-SC-16-13.pdf

3.4 Measurements of gravity

There are two kinds of gravity meters. An absolute gravimeter measures the actual value of g by
measuring the speed of a falling mass using a laser beam. Although this meter achieves precisions of
0.01to 0.001 mGal (milliGals, or 1/1000 Gal), they are expensive, heavy, and bulky. A second type of
gravity meter measures relative changes in g between two locations, see Figure 6.

....

3.6 Reduction of data

Gravimeters do not give direct measurements of gravity; rather, a meter reading is taken which is then
multiplied by an instrumental calibration factor to produce a value of observed gravity (known as
gobs). The correction process is known as gravity data reduction or reduction to the geoid. The
various corrections that can be applied are the following.

This statement that gravimeters are not detecting gravity directly shows that you are incorrect. As you describe it, an absolute gravimeter should be detecting gravity in full. Instead, it is really analyzing the vibration of the mirrors while the falling object is disconnected from the device for a more accurate comparison. It is using the same seismic gravity phenomena as the other referenced gravimeter devices, not something completely different.

It is absolute because the body in freefall is disconnected and not vibrating with the device, allowing a better measurement.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Physicist Brian Cox on Universal Acceleration

« on: June 01, 2025, 09:34:19 PM »

Frankly, the wiki gets this bass ackwards. It also mentions a fictitious "vibrating gravity theory" – where did that derp come from?

That is expressly described in the Wiki. The gravimeter is a seismometer which is detecting "gravity waves". Immediately prior to the Corrections for Latitude section there is the section Gravity Wave Theory

Gravity Wave Theory

A study titled Seafloor Compliance Observed by Long-Period Pressure and Displacement Measurement uses gravimeters to study the gravity of the ocean. On p.2, para.4 its authors call the gravimeter a long-period seismometer.

  “ We have collected vertical compliance data using a gravimeter (long-period seismometer) and a differential pressure gauge ”

On the same page we read about the theory behind the measurements:



We see that the theory behind the measurements involve the theories of "Gravity Waves" and "Infragravity Waves". Wikipedia describes them as:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_wave

“ In fluid dynamics, gravity waves are waves generated in a fluid medium or at the interface between two media when the force of gravity or buoyancy tries to restore equilibrium. An example of such an interface is that between the atmosphere and the ocean, which gives rise to wind waves.

A gravity wave results when fluid is displaced from a position of equilibrium. The restoration of the fluid to equilibrium will produce a movement of the fluid back and forth, called a wave orbit.[1] Gravity waves on an air–sea interface of the ocean are called surface gravity waves or surface waves, while gravity waves that are within the body of the water (such as between parts of different densities) are called internal waves. Wind-generated waves on the water surface are examples of gravity waves, as are tsunamis and ocean tides. ”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infragravity_wave

“ Infragravity waves are surface gravity waves with frequencies lower than the wind waves – consisting of both wind sea and swell – thus corresponding with the part of the wave spectrum lower than the frequencies directly generated by forcing through the wind.

Infragravity waves are ocean surface gravity waves generated by ocean waves of shorter periods. The amplitude of infragravity waves is most relevant in shallow water, in particular along coastlines hit by high amplitude and long period wind waves and ocean swells. Wind waves and ocean swells are shorter, with typical dominant periods of 1 to 25 s. In contrast, the dominant period of infragravity waves is typically 80 to 300 s,[1] which is close to the typical periods of tsunamis, with which they share similar propagation properties including very fast celerities in deep water. This distinguishes infragravity waves from normal oceanic gravity waves, which are created by wind acting on the surface of the sea, and are slower than the generating wind. ”

Essentially, the "Gravity Waves" are slight motions and vibrations picked up by the gravimeter (seismometer). A chart is provided, showing the frequencies that the winds and tides appear in:



In line with the previous seismometer section, the tides appear on the low frequency bands.

This isn't the direct measurement of gravity that you want this to be. The unit of measurement is hertz (hz). These are tiny vibrations, hence the many references that gravimeters are seismometers and that seismometers can detect gravity.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: May 28, 2025, 04:47:50 PM »

Russia is mobilizing and attacking areas beyond the breakaway regions to take out military assets, supply lines, or related infrastructure its opponent relies on such as power stations. They are only attempting to occupy it in the imaginations of leftists.

If Russia wanted Kiev to be a hole in the ground, it would be a hole in the ground, even with non-nuclear munitions. There are missiles which have no defense. Instead, Russia has been treating Ukraine with kiddie gloves. Putin knows that the government which took over Ukraine in 2004/2005 by force was an illegitimate CIA-backed coup. Prior to that Ukraine was a close ally of Russia, even entrusted for a time with nuclear weapons from the Soviet Union.

What has been happening is an elaborate war game between super powers. Ukraine is the victim, and its people never wanted its illegitimate government or to be involved in any of this  However, as valiantly as Russia has tried to contain the damage in the face of innumerable dirty tricks like staging military assets in empty schools for propaganda purposes, it may be too late and this may soon go too far. Trump told us that he is going to end the war and has finally released his plan.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14752757/Trump-seriously-considering-lifting-restrictions-Ukraine-fight-Russia-declaring-Putin-absolutely-crazy.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=1490



Trump is clearly not doing it to give Ukraine advantage, given his recent criticism of Zelensky and Ukraine. Once Ukraine starts launching long range missiles into Russia, that's it. The kiddie gloves will come off and Ukraine will be a wasteland.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: May 27, 2025, 06:05:30 PM »

If Russia wanted Ukraine it would have had it in the early stages of the war. Russia wants to be ethical about it and so it is only taking the breakaway regions. It's not a coincidence that its current territories are the areas which wanted to break away.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: May 25, 2025, 01:31:47 PM »

So, what do the MAGA crowd think if Trump's FEMA denying aid to North Carolina?

You know, the shit he said Biden did...

Considering that there were notable articles that Biden's FEMA spent hundreds of millions supporting illegal immigrants in the same year they were having relief shortages, that is rich to accuse Trump's FEMA of not having money for disaster relief. In this article Biden's FEMA response is not to deny the accusations but to claim that it still had enough money for disaster relief purposes, as if they could predict the future and know how much is needed.

However, this claim about Trump's FEMA denying funds appears to be false. FEMA has rejected the 100% proposals because they give a sizable portion and expect the state to pay the rest.

https://twitter.com/AndySpecht/status/1926010842744520948

From the Politifact article linked above:

If Your Time is short

Federal Emergency Management Agency did reject a request from North Carolina Gov. Josh Stein.
 
Stein asked for FEMA to continue paying for 100% of certain recovery costs.
 
FEMA rejected that request, but will continue paying for 90% of those costs.

Another quote from the article states:

In a statement to PolitiFact NC, FEMA’s press office said that the agency normally covers 75% of the cost — but will continue paying for 90% of debris removal.

The norm is to pay 75%, and it is a special exception that they are paying 90%.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Physicist Brian Cox on Universal Acceleration

« on: May 25, 2025, 12:53:33 PM »

Some of the absolute gravimeter articles you posted actually reference corrections. See this:

https://www.sirgas.org/fileadmin/docs/Boletines/Bol24/45_Guaimaraes_et_al_2019_Absolute_gravimetry_SouthAmerica.pdf

Measurements 2010 - Today

The A-10 nº 032

- The process is controlled by a computer that corrects the
luni-solar attraction, the effect of rotation of the Earth,
the ocean load and the barometric pressure, providing a
final “g” value;
- The final value of absolute gravity is an adjustment of all
observations in the different sets, after corrections.

The "effect of the rotation of the Earth" is the difference of g you are referring to between the equator and poles, which is allegedly due to the earth's rotation. The above section is saying that there is a built-in correction. Since a correction is needed to account for it in the final end product data, it tells us that the gravimeter is not detecting this.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Physicist Brian Cox on Universal Acceleration

« on: May 25, 2025, 10:48:03 AM »

The Wiki covers that. See the section Corrections for Latitude. There are absolute gravimeters examples where a formula is applied with values for the latitude variations between the equator and poles.

Corrections for Latitude

It is asserted that gravimetry has shown trends at different latitudes, and so this is validation of the idea that it is really measuring "gravity". We find that this assertion is unfounded.

From a university course on gravity surveying we read:

http://www.geol-amu.org/notes/m10-1-4.htm

“ Recall that, if the Earth were an homogeneous ellipsoid, the value of gravity at the surface would be given by:

g = g0 (1 + k1 sin2 ϕ – k2 sin2 2ϕ)

The objective of gravity surveys is to look for deviations from this reference value. ”

If the objective of gravity surveys is merely to look for deviations from a round earth reference model with the vibrating gravity theory, then the final computed number in meters per second squared would becomes meaningless for the purpose of discussion. Any modifications to the reference values are constructed on an entirely theoretical basis.

The above page tells us that there is a theoretical model and that the goal of gravity surveys is to modify that model. Further down we see, among the list of corrections to be made, the latitude correction:

“ Latitude correction: The earth's poles are closer to the centre of the equator than is the equator. However, there is more mass under the equator and there is an opposing centrifugal acceleration at the equator. The net effect is that gravity is greater at the poles than the equator.

For values relative to a base station, gravity increases as you move north, so subtract 0.811 sin(2a) mGal/km as you move north from the base station. (where a is latitude). ”

We read that we are subtracting or adding values to the reference model and the data to make the corrections for latitude, which is very different than using the data to determine the latitude. The claim that the final number is meaningful as evidence to showcase any particular point may be fallacious.

Note: The reference 'for values relative to a base station' may imply that this is referring to a relative gravimeter.

United Nations University

On p.9 of Seismic Activity, Gravity, and Magnetic Measurements by LaGeo as part of the United Nations University Geothermal Training Program we read:

“ 3.6 Reduction of data

Gravimeters do not give direct measurements of gravity; rather, a meter reading is taken which is then multiplied by an instrumental calibration factor to produce a value of observed gravity (known as gobs). The correction process is known as gravity data reduction or reduction to the geoid. The various corrections that can be applied are the following. ”

The section goes on to list a number of corrections, including corrections for latitude and elevation, which is not data contained in the measurement readings:

“ Latitude correction (gn) - Correction subtracted from gobs that accounts for earth's elliptical shape and rotation. The gravity value that would be observed if the earth were a perfect (no geologic or topographic complexities) rotating ellipsoid is referred to as the normal gravity.

gn = 978031.85 * (1.0 + 0.005278895 sin 2 (lat) + 0.000023462 sin4(lat)) (mGal) (4)

where lat is latitude  ”

  “ Free-air corrected gravity (gfa) - The free-air correction accounts for gravity variations caused by elevation differences in the observation locations ”

These are artificial corrections which are added or subtracted to the data and reference model. If the earth were really elliptical or rotating, and if the devices were really measuring gravity in full, then these artificial corrections would not be necessary. It is seen that the devices are seismometers and that these corrections are artificially added into the data as modifications.

Absolute Gravimeter Corrections

A common response to some of the references above is to declare that even though the sources do not specify, the sources must solely be talking about relative gravimeters, and that absolute gravimeters are completely different devices which measures gravity in full. Yet, despite this argument we see that even absolute gravimeters determine local gravity through a model involving the gravitational acceleration of the equator and poles.

Terrain-aided navigation with an atomic gravimeter

Introduction

"The purpose of the paper is to provide a solution for surface or sub-surface navigation by Terrain Matching using an absolute gravimeter."

On the third page:

III. A METHOD TO MAP THE GRAVITY ANOMALY WITH THE ATOMIC GRAVIMETER



Elsewhere it describes that "Φ is the longitude and λ the latitude. g(Φ, λ) is the modulus of the local gravity acceleration vector"

To determine the local gravity acceleration the device invokes a model involving an equation using gravitational acceleration at the equator and poles with the latitude, and the results are then added to the gravity anomaly (Last line: g(Φ, λ) [Local gravity] = g0(λ)[standard gravity accounting for latitude gravity gradient] + ga(Φ, λ) [gravity anomaly]) We see similar equations (sin 2 lat) as in the previous latitude corrections. Why should this be necessary to involve the gravitational accelerations of the equator and poles to determine the local gravity? If an absolute gravimeter is measuring gravity in full then it should measure gravity in full.

Mobile Atom Interferometer

Similarly, we read the following about latitude corrections for a precision free-fall device:

Gravity surveys using a mobile atom interferometer

Introduction

“ atomic gravimeters rely on matter-wave interferometry with a freely falling atomic cloud ”

~

Latitude and terrain correction

“ We correct the gravity values collected in the Berkeley Hills for latitude variations using the WGS84 ellipsoidal gravity formula (38) to create latitude-corrected gravity anomalies. ”

~

References and notes for (38)

“ 38. Department of Defense World Geodetic System 1984: Its definition and relationships with local geodetic systems (NIMA Technical Report 8350.2, 3rd ed., National Imagery and Mapping Agency, Washington, DC, USA, 1997). ”

We again see a precision free-fall gravimeter which is corrected for latitude.

WGS84 Ellipsoidal Gravity Formula

On p.13 of a paper titled Invited Review Article: Measurements of the Newtonian constant of gravitation, G we see a summary of the WGS84 ellipsoidal gravity formula:

“ The local acceleration is a sum of the centrifugal acceleration and the gravitational acceleration. At the equator, the local acceleration is reduced by the centrifugal acceleration. This effect is exacerbated by the fact that the figure of the Earth is in response to the centrifugal acceleration an oblate spheroid. Hence the polar radius is smaller than the equatorial radius, increasing the gravitational part of the local acceleration towards the pole. A model describing this normal gravity g0 approximately, the so-called reference ellipsoid, is WGS8497,

and Φ denotes the latitude. This formula describes the theoretical local acceleration on an equipotential surface at mean sea level. It includes both gravitational and centrifugal potentials. ”

This is a very similar equation to the absolute gravimeter local gravity equation given in a section previous to this [8](sin 2 lat).

The text around this p.13 quote also strongly indicates that the WGS84 equation for the gravity variations was determined based on the weight change experiments conducted at different latitudes and which affects pendulums and scales. From the sentence immediately prior to the above quote:

“In 1672, Jean Richer noticed on a trip to French Guiana that the oscillation frequency of a seconds pendulum depends on the geographical latitude ”

We hence see that the gravimeters, including absolute gravimeters, are adjusting the output for local gravity based on a latitudinal formula that was determined by a different experiment (Note: This is a determination which may be flawed in interpretation; see Weight Variation by Latitude). Once again, if the absolute gravimeter is measuring gravity in full, why should equations involving gravity's latitudinal differences of the equator and poles be necessary to determine local gravity?

Absolute gravimeter end product data employ latitude correction formulas, which gives the supposed difference between the equator and the poles. These are values which were derived from a different experiment.

An absolute gravimeter is absolute because the falling object is disconnected from the earth. It allows the vibrations affecting the mirror in the device to be studied with greater accuracy because there is an independent object to compare it to. See this section from the Wiki page:

Absolute Gravimeter Description

From Geophysics From Terrestrial Time‐Variable Gravity Measurements we read about a device that does involve a falling object. The interest is in the tiny noises that affect the mirror in the device while the body is in free fall and disconnected from the Earth:

  “ In an absolute gravimeter, a test laser beam bounces off the free‐falling body before being reflected back to the interferometer, where the test beam interferes with a reference one. While the dropped mass is completely isolated from the Earth's vibrations during its fall, anthropogenic and natural microseismic noises continuously modify the position of the reference mirror of the interferometer. Even in the absence of an earthquake, the displacements of the Earth's surface are persistent and location and season dependent, reaching up to a few micrometers close to the coast (Kedar et al., 2008), while one should measure the free‐fall distance at the 1 nm precision level in order to achieve a precision on gravity of 10 nm/s^2. In the first white‐light gravimeter, the measurements of gravity were corrected by using the records from a 1 s period seismometer. Early in the 1980s, Rinker (1983) developed the so‐called Super Spring, that is, a modified seismometer providing an inertial reference system at periods shorter than about 1 min—the suspended mass of a seismometer provides an inertial reference frame, independent from the motions of the Earth, at periods shorter than the resonance frequency (Aki & Richards, 2002). The challenge consisted in producing a suspension device of which the free period is about 1 min, that is, longer than the periods ranging 5–20 s, where microseism is the strongest. ”

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Physicist Brian Cox on Universal Acceleration

« on: May 24, 2025, 03:22:57 PM »

TL/DR: measured acceleration values of between 9.829 m/s² (Thule, northern Greenland) and 9.772 m/s² (Quito, Ecuador) are documented: these are 0.3% larger and 0.29% smaller than the aforementioned 9.8 metres/second². Acceleration is generally larger nearer the poles, smaller nearer the equator.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/276278343_Absolute_gravity_measurements_in_South_Africa#pf6
https://library.arcticportal.org/2513/1/A20130416.pdf
https://www.sirgas.org/fileadmin/docs/Boletines/Bol24/45_Guaimaraes_et_al_2019_Absolute_gravimetry_SouthAmerica.pdf
https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA099017.pdf
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1029/2000GL012438
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/350145419_Twelve_Years_of_High_Frequency_Absolute_Gravity_Measurements_at_the_UK%27s_Space_Geodesy_Facility_Systematic_Signals_and_Comparison_with_SLR_Heights/fulltext/609da3ca299bf147699628f2/Twelve-Years-of-High-Frequency-Absolute-Gravity-Measurements-at-the-UKs-Space-Geodesy-Facility-Systematic-Signals-and-Comparison-with-SLR-Heights.pdf
https://geodaesie.info/images/zfv/133-jahrgang-2008/downloads/zfv_2008_3_Timmen_et-al.pdf
https://academic.oup.com/gji/article/217/2/1141/5304614
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/232822567_Absolute_gravity_values_in_Norway
https://www.academia.edu/4418215/Absolute_gravity_measurements_in_India_and_Antarctica
https://backend.orbit.dtu.dk/ws/portalfiles/portal/89119479/PHD_JEMNI_1_.pdf

Acceleration also varies within countries. Within the US, documented acceleration figures vary from 9.788 (Texas) to 9.805 (Missouri) to 9.819 m/s² (Alaska).  Norway ranges from 9.818 (Stavanger) to 9.827 m/s² (Honningsvåg). Antarctica records values of 9.826 (twice) and 9.825m/s².

This is talking about gravimeters. We have a page on this here: https://wiki.tfes.org/Gravimetry

Considering that there are seismometers which have a "gravimeter mode" and there are quotes that a gravimeter is really a seismometer, it's clear that there is something wrong with your interpretation on how this device is measuring gravity. There are also maps showing that the gravitational anomalies across the earth are associated with the seismic zones, further questioning what this device is actually measuring.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Physicist Brian Cox on Universal Acceleration

« on: May 24, 2025, 03:13:31 PM »

Einstein already figured that out.  That you don't understand it isn't surprising, a lot RE physicists have trouble understanding it too.  It's been said that if you think you understand relativity, then you don't understand relativity.

It is correct that a lot of physicists say that they don't understand general relativity, and this thread shows why. It's based on "We know that the earth is round, so it HAS to be this way" and proceeds to creatively theorize elaborate metaphysics of an earth which is exploding apart from itself interdimensionally to explain the acceleration effects.

It's confusing why these mechanisms are being proposed because it is not science, it's a band-aid. When assessed on the topic of the earth's shape we further understand the intricacies of general relativity and the necessity for this.

GR is one of the most thoroughly tested theories ever, starting with the precession of Mercury's orbit and astronomical observations of gravitational lensing.  The apparent upward acceleration of the earth's surface is merely a consequence of an otherwise stationary round earth moving through the time element of curved space-time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tests_of_general_relativity

In that link all of the terrestrial tests are the equivalence principle tests that the earth is accelerating upwards.

The astronomical observations such as starlight bending and mercury are indirect inferences. For example:

- Is the only way to explain the observation of light bending bend towards the sun is if the earth is exploding apart from itself in another dimension? Please connect the dots there.
- Is the only way to account for an issue in the precession of Mercury is if the earth is exploding apart from itself in another dimension? Please connect the dots.

There is not a direct connection to the underlying mechanism proposed. It is possible to create different theories of gravity where light bends towards the Sun.

In 1957 Physicist Robert Dicke complained about the shoddy state of General Relativity as compared to other fields:

“ Dicke’s thinking about his change of direction of research is illustrated by these quotes from his 1957 Chapel Hill paper, The Experimental Basis of Einstein’s Theory (Dicke 1957a, p. 5):

"It is unfortunate to note that the situation with respect to the experimental checks of general relativity theory is not much better than it was a few years after the theory was discovered – say in 1920. This is in striking contrast to the situation with respect to quantum theory, where we have literally thousands of experimental checks.
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Professor Wheeler has already discussed the three famous checks of general relativity; this is really very flimsy evidence on which to hang a theory.
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It is a great challenge to the experimental physicist to try to improve this situation; to try to devise new experiments and refine old ones to give new checks on the theory. We have been accustomed to thinking that gravity can play no role in laboratory-scale experiments; that the gradients are too small, and that all gravitational effects are equivalent to a change of frame of reference. Recently I have been changing my views about this."

In the second of these quotes Dicke was referring to Wheeler’s summary comments on the classical three tests of general relativity: the orbit of the planet Mercury, the gravitational deflection of light passing near the Sun, and the gravitational redshift of light from stars. ”

Quantum Theory had thousands of checks. General Relativity only had a few, and its state has hardly improved today in comparison. It is 2025 and you are still citing Mercury and light bending as your proof.

Beyond that, there has been disagreement these few proofs even work. See: https://wiki.tfes.org/Precession_of_Mercury%27s_Orbit