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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Last post by markjo on Today at 04:00:36 AM »
But for some reason, he felt it was important to make his visit public...
Here is a guy who cannot take a shit without the media trying to publicize it, and Dave is trying to pretend the wreath-laying ceremony at ANC was made public because of Trump.

Who the fuck you trying to zoom here, Dave? Don't you ever get tired of posting terrible shit?
Can you show me a public announcement for it posted prior to the date?
No one knows the anniversary date for the ceremony?
Was it a public ceremony or a private ceremony?  Where was Trump for the first two anniversary ceremonies?
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Last post by Action80 on September 07, 2024, 08:52:13 PM »
But for some reason, he felt it was important to make his visit public...
Here is a guy who cannot take a shit without the media trying to publicize it, and Dave is trying to pretend the wreath-laying ceremony at ANC was made public because of Trump.

Who the fuck you trying to zoom here, Dave? Don't you ever get tired of posting terrible shit?
Can you show me a public announcement for it posted prior to the date?
No one knows the anniversary date for the ceremony?
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Last post by Lord Dave on September 07, 2024, 11:53:44 AM »
Bringing a photographer to take pictures of you at a cemetery doesn't turn it into a political event, even if you indented to use the photos politically. You turned it political after the non-political event occurred. Keyword: after

It was agreed that if I had gone to the cemetery that the Army could not control what I say about politics or photos on Twitter. If they can't stop me from posting my political commentary on Twitter then they can't stop me planning to make political commentary before visiting the cemetery. They can only control the direct and immediate content of the events at the cemetery, and that control ends after I leave their property.

Again, the Army only has control over the immediate contents of the events at the cemetery. It does not have control over what you say politically afterwards, and it does not have control over whether you plan to say anything politically about it before visiting the cemetery. The Army does not have control over the thoughts in your head. The Army isn't an all-encompassing entity that controls the speech in your life. It can control the content of its events as much as any business can control the content of its events. If there were just photos taken there, then it's not a political event.

So you agree they have control over events, like filming, at the cemetery and Trump filming, without permission, is a violation. 
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Last post by Lord Dave on September 07, 2024, 11:53:00 AM »
But for some reason, he felt it was important to make his visit public...
Here is a guy who cannot take a shit without the media trying to publicize it, and Dave is trying to pretend the wreath-laying ceremony at ANC was made public because of Trump.

Who the fuck you trying to zoom here, Dave? Don't you ever get tired of posting terrible shit?
Can you show me a public announcement for it posted prior to the date?
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Last post by Tom Bishop on September 07, 2024, 01:56:37 AM »
Bringing a photographer to take pictures of you at a cemetery doesn't turn it into a political event, even if you indented to use the photos politically. You turned it political after the non-political event occurred. Keyword: after

It was agreed that if I had gone to the cemetery that the Army could not control what I say about politics or photos on Twitter. If they can't stop me from posting my political commentary on Twitter then they can't stop me planning to make political commentary before visiting the cemetery. They can only control the direct and immediate content of the events at the cemetery, and that control ends after I leave their property.

Again, the Army only has control over the immediate contents of the events at the cemetery. It does not have control over what you say politically afterwards, and it does not have control over whether you plan to say anything politically about it before visiting the cemetery. The Army does not have control over the thoughts in your head. The Army isn't an all-encompassing entity that controls the speech in your life. It can control the content of its events as much as any business can control the content of its events. If there were just photos taken there, then it's not a political event.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Last post by Action80 on September 06, 2024, 04:16:17 PM »
But for some reason, he felt it was important to make his visit public...
Here is a guy who cannot take a shit without the media trying to publicize it, and Dave is trying to pretend the wreath-laying ceremony at ANC was made public because of Trump.

Who the fuck you trying to zoom here, Dave? Don't you ever get tired of posting terrible shit?
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Last post by Lord Dave on September 06, 2024, 06:51:30 AM »
I'm part of society. I know that it is no longer the year 1650. Celebrations of Life are a thing now. I can show you memorial pictures of people laughing, joking, celebrating, dancing, showing peace signs and giving each other high fives. Again, who exactly is giving this rule that it is inappropriate to celebrate at cemeteries or memorials?
When someone was murdered and their family is there.  I'm sure if your mother died and someone gave a thumbs up at their grave while posing with you, you'd find it disrespectful.  Or maybe not if you have no love for your mom.   But yes, generallys peaking, thumbs up to Dead Soldier graves is considered bad in American society.  Especially when given the context of "We want to remember how they were taken from us by terrorists."

This can be avoided by being able to read the room.
Trump doesn't read the room, he makes sure he only goes into rooms he controls.

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Trump basically told the Army that he is above their rules.

In the area of US free speech, he is. The US Army can't tell me what political commentary I can't make on Twitter, for example. The restrictions of the kinds of activities they allow on their grounds doesn't extend to what I write in my home.
Sure.  But that's not the issue.  The issue is the filming.  Trump can say whatever he wants on Twitter, but he can't film political ads on Army property.  Had he no film or photo crew, it wouldn't be an issue.  But for some reason, he felt it was important to make his visit public and in an ad... Why do you think that is?
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Last post by Tom Bishop on September 06, 2024, 01:41:22 AM »
I'm part of society. I know that it is no longer the year 1650. Celebrations of Life are a thing now. I can show you memorial pictures of people laughing, joking, celebrating, dancing, showing peace signs and giving each other high fives. Again, who exactly is giving this rule that it is inappropriate to celebrate at cemeteries or memorials?
When someone was murdered and their family is there.  I'm sure if your mother died and someone gave a thumbs up at their grave while posing with you, you'd find it disrespectful.  Or maybe not if you have no love for your mom.   But yes, generallys peaking, thumbs up to Dead Soldier graves is considered bad in American society.  Especially when given the context of "We want to remember how they were taken from us by terrorists."

This can be avoided by being able to read the room.

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Trump basically told the Army that he is above their rules.

In the area of US free speech, he is. The US Army can't tell me what political commentary I can't make on Twitter, for example. The restrictions of the kinds of activities they allow on their grounds doesn't extend to what I write in my home.

Big fan of these guys' videos. This one is interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwBslntC3xg

(Obviously our system is an equally big mess)

Measurement bias isn't unique to the US.

See: https://www.dannydorling.org/wp-content/files/dannydorling_publication_id1322.pdf
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Last post by Lord Dave on September 05, 2024, 08:48:25 PM »
Musk would likely mandate Twitter use for official communications to cut down on paper usage.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: US Presidential Election 2024
« Last post by Shane on September 05, 2024, 08:10:12 PM »
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Donald Trump outlined a suite of economic proposals in a speech here Thursday, including formally introducing a government efficiency commission to be headed by Elon Musk

Nice.


This would unlock tremendous prosperity for America