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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by totallackey on Today at 01:22:14 PM »

Ah.  So not even close to the same morality issue.

I'm not sure what you mean. Our discussion was about the legal system, not morality. If you believe what Trump did was morally wrong, then what the GAO has to say about it is irrelevant. Your original post was about how Trump broke the law and made no mention about any moral quandaries you had with his actions.

You mentioned "he broke the law" first. Then I showed you when Obama broke the law. Once given that evidence, you immediately began mumbling about morality. This is not an acceptable way to have a discussion, Dave.

True, and yes, they both broke the law.  They were both wrong.  Both should be punished accordingly.  One for not notifying congress in advanced of prisoner exchange, one for holding up funds allocated by congressional law.

This is just pure poppycock.

No law was broken in delaying the aid to Ukraine.

It seems all of the town hall decriers trumpeting Trump is not allowed to ask for investigations into possible corruption taking place in a foreign country before authorizing the release of foreign aid are arguing two points:

1) If you are a declared candidate for US national office, you are exempt from potential investigation and free to commit acts of corrupt business practices, such as extortion, money laundering, etc.; and,

B) Orange man just bad.

“It was OMB’s understanding that a brief period was needed, prior to the funds expiring, to engage in a policy process regarding those funds,” says the nine-page Office of Management and Budget letter to the Government Accountability Office, which had inquired about the legality of the move. “OMB took appropriate action, in light of a pending policy process, to ensure that funds were not obligated prematurely in a manner that could conflict with the President’s foreign policy.”

https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/omb-ukraine-aid-delay-was-consistent-with-law-past-practice

1. Said investigation was already conducted in a foregin country and found NO COLLUSION!  TOTAL EXONERATION!

2. IF Trump wanted to Investigate Joe Biden for his conduct why didn't he start the investigation IN AMERICA?!  You know the LAND HE BETRAYED?!  Probably the same reason Hillary isn't in Jail: BECAUSE THERE IS NO CRIME![/quote]
Oh, so you are stating the mere declaration of candidacy for US President is reason enough to prohibit investigation into your personal dealings and past conduct...

But only if you are a democrat...

3. You are literally quoting Trump's guy saying it was legal.  What are you gonna quote Trump next and claim "He's president therefore it's legal"?

Actually, I am also quoting the House Resolution containing impeachment articles 1 and 2, both clearly absent of any specific code violations.

What Trump did was legal and violated no laws known to man.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: How GPS Works and what about 64 satellites claimed by NASA

« Last post by totallackey on Today at 11:51:38 AM »

Hi I am wajeeh, and I believe earth is flat as I havent seen any of the evidence found regarding round shaped earth but I stuck at satellites and how GPS works thing. can any flat earther explain if there is no satellite how GPS works?

Do you use a smartphone?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Revisiting Bedford Level Experiment

« Last post by somerled on Today at 11:30:00 AM »

1. LEGO experiment link states vaguely that several feet of curvature is accounted for . Which model , pearshape or squashed ball or imaginary R= 6370km is used in this curvature correction? Could just be allowance for topography .

Sigh.

And this is the problem with debating anything with someone like you. You said

Surveyors take no account of ( cannot find ) any curvature over any area of 100sq. miles - because we live on a plane

You provided no basis for that claim or no supporting evidence, you just asserted it.
So I found a link about a large scale project which I imagined would probably have had to take account of the earth's curve and, sure enough, found some information on their website where they said they did have to do that.
This is the people who build the sodding thing saying they did indeed have to take the earth's curve into account because of the scale of it.

This is the point where you're supposed to concede the point and see the error of your ways but instead you're just saying "well, maybe it's this, maybe it's that". Again, with no basis or supporting evidence. It's easy to prove yourself right if you ignore or dismiss all evidence showing you to be wrong...

You could have wiki'd that - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveying

Go down to the part about " plane and geodetic surveying " . 100 square miles .

Then you can check out some survey books  - the older real explanatory types are better . You will find  that plane survey is used in areas up to 100 square miles because no curvature is found that does not fall within error limits of precision survey equipment . That's alot of missing curvature over a circular area of 100 square miles - 80 feet or so .

So how much curvature over a few square miles did bob the ligo builder account for? , in exact terms . Vague statements mean nothing .

Zack - all the scientists have to do is measure , as exact as possible, the amount of curvature over the distance they use for their experiment . Measuring gradients of pressure , heat etc then applying imaginary values into their equations turns everything into mere ramblings.

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Flat Earth Investigations / How GPS Works and what about 64 satellites claimed by NASA

« Last post by wajeehleo on Today at 11:22:45 AM »

Hi I am wajeeh, and I believe earth is flat as I havent seen any of the evidence found regarding round shaped earth but I stuck at satellites and how GPS works thing. can any flat earther explain if there is no satellite how GPS works?

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Sorry were not going to Mars now....Really?

« Last post by Pete Svarrior on Today at 10:31:22 AM »

what kind of evidence are you looking for that you’d be claiming there is none?

If I had the evidence to support your claims, I wouldn't be asking for it. It's your job to find it, or to rescind unsubstantiated (and likely unfalsifiable) claims.

There’s video footage, live streams, radio transmissions, eye witness accounts, interviews and even phone calls with people on the iss, and you can notably see that the iss exists.

There's video footage of the 10 individuals AATW named taking private trips to space? That would be ineresting to see. Other than that, "the nice billionaire told me he totally did this thing" is not very good evidence.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: FE Gravity

« Last post by Pete Svarrior on Today at 09:41:04 AM »

I don't know how to make this any clearer. You do not feel anything pushing you when you're in freefall, because nothing is pushing you. Our sense of acceleration relies on the acceleration being uneven. A RE gravity would apply the force evenly to all of your body, including all of your inner ear, at the same time. An accelerating car would not.

This is also why Groit's comment on not feeling anything pushing your shoulders was particularly silly - our perception of this would be relative to the rest of our body. But the difference here is purely perceptual, and largely based on what you intuitively consider "feeling" a force.

Surely you aren't suggesting that the EP is nonsense.

Luckily, EP doesn't state what you think it states, Mr Spirit Level.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Sorry were not going to Mars now....Really?

« Last post by ChrisTP on Today at 09:36:39 AM »

I am suggesting that all claims are unproveable, in the strictest sense.

We've had this discussion before. I really don't see the benefit in repeating myself, and I greatly dislike your strategy of recycling arguments after they've failed, so I'll keep this brief. The physical world that surrounds us is not a UK court of law, or the Ace-Attorney-style pastiche that you propose. Your "plenty of evidence of murder is not proof, and nothing can ever be proven" argument is cute, but completely worthless and inapplicable here.

You are making a claim about the physical world (specifically that something has occurred and not that a specific person committed an act) with no evidence, and you're acting as if me not actively proving the opposite of every spurious claim you make is equivalent. It isn't.

what kind of evidence are you looking for that you’d be claiming there is none? There’s video footage, live streams, radio transmissions, eye witness accounts, interviews and even phone calls with people on the iss, and you can notably see that the iss exists. I wouldn’t call it a stretch to suggest it’s perfectly possible it isn’t a huge conspiracy/cover up. It seems far more elaborate that and outlandish that it would be all faked somehow and a few regular rich people are getting in on the conspiracy by claiming they went there. If I were NASA and random people came to me asking to be put on the iss for lots of money I wouldn’t run the risk of letting them in on the secret just to boost their egos, especially if they’re as untrustworthy as your claims.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Sorry were not going to Mars now....Really?

« Last post by Pete Svarrior on Today at 09:24:12 AM »

I am suggesting that all claims are unproveable, in the strictest sense.

We've had this discussion before. I really don't see the benefit in repeating myself, and I greatly dislike your strategy of recycling arguments after they've failed, so I'll keep this brief. The physical world that surrounds us is not a UK court of law, or the Ace-Attorney-style pastiche that you propose. Your "plenty of evidence of murder is not proof, and nothing can ever be proven" argument is cute, but completely worthless and inapplicable here.

You are making a claim about the physical world (specifically that something has occurred and continues to occur and not that a specific person committed an act in the past) with no evidence, and you're acting as if me not actively proving the opposite of every spurious claim you make is equivalent. It isn't.

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Flat Earth Theory / MOVED: Time of day

« Last post by Pete Svarrior on Today at 09:07:57 AM »

This topic has been moved to Angry Ranting.

https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=15776.0

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: I'm a RE'r and have some questions!

« Last post by Pete Svarrior on Today at 07:59:51 AM »

You're kinda rude

You were very quick to declare that you would "match my belligerence", and yet you find it "kinda rude" when the same treatment is applied to you. You came into this thread with a lordly attitude of "You're wrong. Why are you so wrong?" and you're surprised that my responses are not very compassionate.

Be the change you'd like to see in the world. Whether it's by heeding my advice (which I'll restate for your benefit: in order to have a meaningful discussion, you must be willing to convince and to be convinced. If you are unwilling to do either of these, you will fail) or by otherwise adjusting your attitude, the ball is in your court.

Also, Pete, I've been thinking... have you heard of the Dunning-Kruger affect?

Yes, I've been to school once or twice. Here's another piece of advice for you: we both have access to Google. If you want to accuse me of exhibiting the Dunning-Kruger effect*, you can just say it. If I don't know what it means, I'll Google it. I will expect the same of you.

* - except that would be against the rules in this particular board, so if you want to throw personal insults around, please do so in the Angry Ranting board. It's fair play there, and it's all in good spirit.

If you don't mind, I'd like links to where I can find info about the topic above.

You weren't particularly forthcoming in evaluating your failures in physics, so I see no reason to accommodate you. Once again, I expect you to be able to use the Internet.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Place+of+the+Conspiracy+in+FET

A few things which might be worth noting:

• This is not our website.
• The owners of that website are well aware that their Wiki is in a poor state, and intend to delete it altogether at some point.
• pricelesspearl knows both these things and has just attempted to deceive you by presenting this as our viewpoint