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Technology & Information / Re: Twitch Pricing

« Last post by Fortuna on Today at 05:36:42 AM »

Streamer subscriptions are $4.99 because people will pay it. If you don’t like it, then don’t subscribe. Also, I’ve watched hundreds of hours of Twitch streams and I’ve seen maybe 10 ads, which were all baked into the stream for special events. If you’re watching a regular stream, and have adblock on, then you won’t see ads.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Distance to the Sun - Rowbothams investigation

« Last post by Bikini Polaris on November 13, 2019, 09:32:44 PM »

Actually that link says that it works just fine on FE if light bends upwards.

What is your evidence for that effect? Because during the Bishop experiment you claim that:

Pretty obvious proof: during sunset shadows climbs buildings from below to above, and since the Sun behaves as a lamp, you must have bending light rays.

And also, the possibility that light bends is not surprising at all.

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Technology & Information / Re: Twitch Pricing

« Last post by Baby Thork on November 13, 2019, 08:11:01 PM »

Surely there will be adjustments to their revenue model as it dries, but I also suspect there must be something to it that we aren't seeing, PornHub started following it after all.

Apples and pears. Or Apples and porns.

Apple has great content. Amazon has great content. Netflix has great content. However ... PornHub has better content. A porn video can easily cost you $40 for the one video. Nothing Amazon or Netflix or Disney make can compete with that. Porn is king.

So PornHub having a model where you might pay $4.99 to a single pornstar for her content ... sure. I did elude to this above with my comment

If he was pulling his pants down in discord and stuffing enormous vegetables up his backside, maybe I could see the premium price tag for exclusive content. But was he really giving $4.99 of value?

But some girl just reading chat in a pushup bra or dancing to just dance 2020 ... she's not worth $4.99 and nothing she could do within Twitch's terms of service, is worth $4.99.

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Flat Earth Media / Re: Another Picture in Favor of Flat Earth

« Last post by J-Man on November 13, 2019, 07:47:36 PM »

Science will attempt to explain away this as usual but alas the earth is a pancake.


Debunking the 7 Myths that Deny Biblical Truth are also good. Scientist are baffled by their conclusions that just don't add up Like dinosaurs.

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Technology & Information / Re: Twitch Pricing

« Last post by Rama Set on November 13, 2019, 02:28:17 PM »

I didn’t really miss the fiver and it was good to give something to him.

I'm totally on board with this. You want to support his work. But you didn't gift $5 to his patreon each month or give him direct donations. You subbed to him. You actually only gave him $2.50 and gave the other half to Twitch. A multi-billion dollar business with Amazon as its parent company that clearly doesn't need 'support'.

He didn't have a patreon, otherwise I would have.

My issue is not with supporting streamers. It is with the sub model of every single streamer requiring their own $4.99 sub if you want to watch ad free, and Twitch taking half of that. I don't want to 'support' Amazon. Obviously.

Why can't I just pay $4.99 to Twitch and that's it ... ad free for all streams ... and then donate what I want to who I want without Twitch taking half after that? Instead of being a willing viewer who throws a few bucks to streamers i like now and again, I'm turned off, thinking Twitch only wants whales and I don't want to be spending hundreds of dollars a month on one service.

Surely there will be adjustments to their revenue model as it dries, but I also suspect there must be something to it that we aren't seeing, PornHub started following it after all.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Anyone for an interview?

« Last post by Dapplin on November 13, 2019, 11:02:13 AM »

Hi

I am not looking for a rant.
I am simply looking for a quick interview for a radio piece that i am doing, not for an assessment but for my own project. It is not very long so the interview will not be in depth.
I understand that the short time i have i will not be able to fully explore the entire flat earth theory. But all i wish to ask questions about is the flat earth theory its self, your opinions of those who do not support it, and how you became aware of the flat earth theory and your introduction to it.
The emphasis is not on weather the earth is flat or not, it is far more focused on the people who believe it is.

Thanks
David

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Technology & Information / Re: Twitch Pricing

« Last post by Baby Thork on November 12, 2019, 11:17:10 PM »

But this is why I don't think Twitch will grow. All the whales are already being harpooned. And new whales won't appear.

Its not like people haven't heard of Twitch. If you are the kind of person to drop 100 gifted subs on a stream, you probably have already done that. I don't see them finding more and more people around the world because as you say ... its pretty dumb.

So your $4.99. The guy gave 'tactical advice' ... yeah ok. But I still find $4.99 a bit steep. If he was pulling his pants down in discord and stuffing enormous vegetables up his backside, maybe I could see the premium price tag for exclusive content. But was he really giving $4.99 of value?

And to be clear, I'm not blaming the streamer. He is giving as much value as he can. My point is he can't set the price to something a bit more realistic ... like say $0.99. And I didn't miss the word niche either ... I get that when fewer people want to support something they have to find the cash between them. But can this guy keep giving you tactics, worth $4.99 a month for several months?

I didn’t really miss the fiver and it was good to give something to him.

I'm totally on board with this. You want to support his work. But you didn't gift $5 to his patreon each month or give him direct donations. You subbed to him. You actually only gave him $2.50 and gave the other half to Twitch. A multi-billion dollar business with Amazon as its parent company that clearly doesn't need 'support'.

My issue is not with supporting streamers. It is with the sub model of every single streamer requiring their own $4.99 sub if you want to watch ad free, and Twitch taking half of that. I don't want to 'support' Amazon. Obviously.

Why can't I just pay $4.99 to Twitch and that's it ... ad free for all streams ... and then donate what I want to who I want without Twitch taking half after that? Instead of being a willing viewer who throws a few bucks to streamers i like now and again, I'm turned off, thinking Twitch only wants whales and I don't want to be spending hundreds of dollars a month on one service.

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Technology & Information / Re: Twitch Pricing

« Last post by Rama Set on November 12, 2019, 10:32:19 PM »

I personally have paid 4.99/month to someone who was doing a great job representing and supporting a community of a niche game I play. He offered lots of tactical advice and was active on a discord, etc... I didn’t really miss the fiver and it was good to give something to him.

If you don’t see value in any of that, then the answer is obviously “no” for you. That’s fine. I agree that people who toss out 100 gifted subs on massive channels are idiots because there is a good chance that other than the brief dopamine hit from being thanked on stream, nothing comes of it. Twitch is following the same business model of ftp mobile games that overwhelmingly depend on whales to prop them up. That’s cool by me, like I said, I dont see too many ads on the channels I watch and tend not to watch a stream if the ads get annoying. Interestingly, streamers can get rid of pre-roll ads if they reach a threshold of ads run. This is good for when a streamer takes a break so there is no action anyway.

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Technology & Information / Re: Twitch Pricing

« Last post by Baby Thork on November 12, 2019, 10:02:34 PM »

You dont get ads that often on twich and many streamers have patreon so you can support them outside the platform.  I have one streamer I give my twitch prime to, and I just have something else to look at while ads roll. 

Stop being such a boomer, Thonk.

Ok, so interesting points. Which is unusual from you so I'll take the time to answer them.

1. I'm not a boomer. I am generation X ... I'm just a couple of years too old to be a millennial ... thank God. I'm nowhere near a boomer. My parents are boomers.
2. How often you get ads really depends on how many twitch has sold. They recently got a deal with OMEN PC and just spammed the shit out of everyone with b-roll footage of ugly gamers folding their arms and looking intense. I can see why most companies use models. Gamers are fugly. They also plug amazon TV a lot when they have nothing else to advertise. It looks as if very few brands want to advertise on such an unsafe medium where the streamer could be doing or saying Lord knows what. So when they have ads, they'll spam you with them and when they have nothing, you get some peace and quiet.
3. Twitch Prime ... a huge and unsustainable subsidy from parent company Amazon to streamers. There will be a Twitch Prime apocalypse at some point that will wipe out many shitty channels. Currently Amazon are paying 50% (half the sub) out to the streamer. So anyone with an Amazon Prime can just point at a streamer and say 'give that one $2.50 for me every single month'. Clearly as the platform grows and more Prime members start using those subs, there will come a point where Amazon say this is getting too expensive and Twitch is now big, so lets kill it. No one buys Amazon Prime to get a Twitch Prime Sub. Its a giveaway that will end.


But you aren't really addressing my point. Is there a single channel on Twitch worth $4.99 a month? I'm making the case I don't believe there is a single channel worth even $0.99. I think their business model is whack.

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Technology & Information / Re: Twitch Pricing

« Last post by Rama Set on November 12, 2019, 09:49:25 PM »

You dont get ads that often on twich and many streamers have patreon so you can support them outside the platform.  I have one streamer I give my twitch prime to, and I just have something else to look at while ads roll. 

Stop being such a boomer, Thonk.