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Flat Earth General / MOVED: Earth shape
« Last post by junker on Today at 09:56:54 PM »
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Flat Earth Debate / Re: NASA conspiracy
« Last post by mtnman on Today at 09:01:26 PM »
It makes me a little sad to think how many people say NASA is a fraud. 

This is one of the most profound photos ever taken.  Michael Collins took this from the Apollo XI command module.  The LEM with Armstrong and Aldrin and the earth.   It includes every human alive except one.  Collins himself.  How can you not be moved by this?

This was one of the most amazing things mankind has ever done. 

Yes it is profound. I had seen that and similar pictures for years before reading a comment about all mankind being in the field of the picture except Collins. Very cool.
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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Which hemisphere/hemiplane do you live in?
« Last post by Jura-Glenlivet on Today at 09:01:19 PM »
It was the name of one of my maternal (edit) great (oops!) grandfathers (so yes) but it kind of ruins the effect when you explain that to people, so keep it to yourself.
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So Tom thinks a guy playing scientist down by a canal is a controlled environment, but a 4km long laser interferometer housed in a vacuum isn't. Wait, did I mention that built two of them in different regions to reduce the possibility of spurious noise in the data. Yeah...are there any serious FEers out there?
I really wish there was a "like" button here.
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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: The vanishing point
« Last post by mtnman on Today at 08:42:57 PM »

Why are trees relevant to answering this question? I'm quite sure a tree can block the sun given proper combinations of height and angle. It's called shade.

Are you saying that vanishing points exist because things block the view?

Yes.
What things are causing the vanishing point (and blocking the sun) when I see a sunset over the ocean?

Any tiny waves or swells that breach the flat surface.

The perspective lines may be perfect, but the surface of the earth is not perfect. In Earth Not a Globe the author points out that the sunset happens sooner than expected if the conditions of the oceans are more disturbed.
Just to be sure that I'm understanding what you are saying.

Example scenario. I am standing on the coast of California, looking west, watching the sun set. Just using rough approximations for the sake of discussion only. If the sun is at its highest point at noon, it would be at the opposite side 12 hours later, so that would mean it would about 1/4 of the way around at sunset, let's say 6 pm. Based on your unipolar map that would be around eastern Australia.

You are saying the sun is at so low of an angle above the Earth, that tiny waves and swells are what block us from seeing the sun after it sets from out perspective.

Is that correct?

Yes, that is correct. Tiny waves can obscure the sun much like a dime can obscure an elephant.

I would like to get back to Tom's statement about vanishing points existing because things (waves, swells, trees, etc.) block the view.

If this is the case, then there should be a definable height above which there are no obstacles. This also implies that on a flat Earth the sun should always be visible given proper height. Fro example, from an airplane or the world's tallest building. 
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Flat Earth Debate / Re: NASA conspiracy
« Last post by 3DGeek on Today at 08:28:35 PM »
It makes me a little sad to think how many people say NASA is a fraud. 

This is one of the most profound photos ever taken.  Michael Collins took this from the Apollo XI command module.  The LEM with Armstrong and Aldrin and the earth.   It includes every human alive except one.  Collins himself.  How can you not be moved by this?

This was one of the most amazing things mankind has ever done. 

All the more amazing because Tom assures us that the LEM was fabricated from cardboard and kitchen foil and held together with duct tape.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Soliloquies
« Last post by Jura-Glenlivet on Today at 08:13:02 PM »


I wonder if you could clarify the meaning the above canon fodder/warriors you describe? 



Mmm, would there was a difference between the two distinctions, from feeding the poppies of Flanders fields, to patrolling those of Helmands, they fulfill both.

And in this I mean no disrespect, it has always been so.
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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What is the flat earth position?
« Last post by Tom Bishop on Today at 07:52:20 PM »
Does it give the right information for your location?

Maybe it does. I have not really checked.

Perfectly timed example Tom! You criticize the scientific method for trying to prove it's own hypothesis and hold your Zetetic method in high regard (which claims to evaluate EVERY POSSIBILITY to thus ensure that the TRUTH is found) and yet here you are offered something that may challenge your hypothesis and you avoid it! Same detail in another thread when they were asking you to do something with a piece of string to check the angles of the moon and you responded something akin to" why would I conduct your experiments?". Not the actions of a real truth seeker I think, more like someone who is exactly trying to prove only their own hypothesis and shying from any test that may challenge it!
He makes a fair point about it potentially being possible to predict sunrise/set times with pattern-based software. Looking at things here: http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/RS_OneYear.php they don't appear to vary too much for the same day year to year. I have a suspicion a pattern could be there, but have neither the time nor the tools to attempt to find out. I'm not sure the timing of sunrise/set are all that amazing of a proof for RE anyway without conclusive proof they're found using the movement of the planets. I personally feel it's been provided elsewhere, but that's neither here nor there. The fact it happens at all is far greater evidence against FE in my opinion. I do hope Tom can find the time to get back to the most recent perspective thread though. I'm so very curious about his reply.

Except I went through the documentation provided by the developer of SOFA and showed that there was zero evidence of this pattern-based stuff Tom made up. In fact, all of the relevant functions I looked at were using trig to calculate positions and times down to the microsecond. But hey, who needs facts on this board when we have Zetetecists and their thorough method?  ::)
Oh I agree. As I said "...conclusive proof they're found using the movement of the planets. I personally feel it's been provided elsewhere..." It's just the information has relatively small variance, and I suspect it's POSSIBLE there could in fact be a pattern of some form to it. I just don't have the ability to go dredging through years worth of data points to try and see if there is one. That doesn't mean the suggestion that timeanddate.com (which as Tom mentioned DID refuse to give us what they use) could potentially be using it has no merit. Just that we have other sources that clearly show an equation based upon planetary motion and it's answers match all other sources we have that just give that info.

Sorry, this wasn't directed at you so much as I was using it as a jumping off point to remind Tom that I already showed him that it wasn't pattern based.

As I recall you were going to look further into the SOFA math and then disappeared from the thread.
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Flat Earth Debate / NASA conspiracy
« Last post by TomInAustin on Today at 07:04:44 PM »
It makes me a little sad to think how many people say NASA is a fraud. 

This is one of the most profound photos ever taken.  Michael Collins took this from the Apollo XI command module.  The LEM with Armstrong and Aldrin and the earth.   It includes every human alive except one.  Collins himself.  How can you not be moved by this?

This was one of the most amazing things mankind has ever done. 


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Is Archaeology a fake science as well? How does an archaeologist conduct a controlled experiment on past cultures? They only observe and interpret.

By Tom's lights, only chemistry and physics (but not astrophysics) are sciences.

And much of physics would fail Tom's test as well.  Einstein was not able to test a lot of the things he came up with yet most proved to be right on the money.