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Flat Earth Theory / Re: What do Flat-Earthers actually know for fact about Flat-Earth?
« Last post by RonJ on October 17, 2018, 08:05:40 PM »
1. ??
2.  The earth is accelerating at 9.81 meters per second squared and is approaching the speed of light.  No gravity is needed, you stay on the earth because of the acceleration.
3.  I don't know how the other planets can also have the same acceleration and is keeping up with the earth.
4.  Because the earth is flat, and accelerating, a dome is needed to keep the atmosphere in.  The sun and moon are inside the dome and rotate about the flat earth to make the day and night.  You really can't leave the earth in a spaceship without going thru the dome.  Any spaceship claims must be a hoax because you can't do it.  You could (theoretically) go to the moon but that whole NASA program is a government hoax and the scientists there really don't have the technology to do a moon landing.   
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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: satellite hoax
« Last post by stack on October 17, 2018, 07:19:36 PM »
The Fanboys come up with, oh the Fake ISS is just coming up the side of the ball earth thus the same height. heh heh yet not a tilt to rocket trajectory, no explosion photo, add non existent cloud layer and forget to erase flat horizon...amateur hour, they don't even care anymore, the sheep are too accepting of the Hoax now.

Somehow I think an explanation that presumes a globe earth wouldn't satisfy your assessment. Nor photo evidence of, for example, an explosion, would suffice because it's just fake anyway.

It feels like we're at an impasse, as Mysfit pointed out. It's NASA, JPL, SpaceX fanboys versus a Bible Fanboy.
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Yes, they do claim that the lunar surface is quite reflective.

I agree, the lunar surface looks quite reflective. When I look up at a full moon, it looks quite reflective.
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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Hollow Earth vs. Flat Earth vs. Geoid (earth shaped) Earth
« Last post by Tom Bishop on October 17, 2018, 06:29:25 PM »
We don't talk about the incident.
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So I read this thing about flat earth people arguing against hollow earth people about soem "incident" cans omeone tell me what the incident was and
if earth is hollow it has no volume flat earth also has no volume because it is not a sphere can you explain to me why they are fighting
What prevents you from falling out from flat earth
How does earth have mass (since in a stellar perspective the earths crust is only as heavy as a feather which makes it impossible to keep an atmosphere neither a shape)
does the flat earth spin (this is very important since if its spinning it would start to get rounder and rounder resulting in an earth that has no insides [hollow earth] and this makes the flat earth theory the hollow earth theory
does the flat earth have lava inside?
does the flat earth have teutonic plates (if it does than the flat earth would needs some curves so the teutonic paltes won't just dangle out)
and if you can try to make a mini space ship and send a camera into space so you can see it for yourself if you don't trust it you can make a normal spaceship and send the people that believes in the flat earth the most into space so they can confirm it.
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This is just based on the high moon surface reflectivity value which NASA was claiming to explain the criticism at the time.

You may want to re-watch the video b/c their work is not “just based on the reflectivity value that NASA claimed.” There’s a lot more to it, as Mysfit alluded to. But here’s a hint, the surface is a minor aspect.

The video claims that the lunar surface is very bright and reflective, and is providing most of the light. Around the 4 minute mark they claim that they couldn't get it "quite right" and bring in the reflectivity off of Neil Armstrong's space suit.

They show a render at 4:07 on what the reflectivity looks like with the lunar surface only:



Yes, they do claim that the lunar surface is quite reflective.
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I dont know anything about the icewall and other things and if someone can explain em those I would be happy.
So right now I have four questions
1. why is the earth flat while other celestial bodies are not
2. how can earth have gravity if it doesnt have enough density
3. if earth is flat then how come the other celestial bodies not rip us apart or why don't we get pulled into them
4. and here is my final question if you think the earth is flat my suggestion to you is that you should gather some money build a spaceship and then send your most trusted the real flat-earth believers into space to condirm if the earth is flat or not so we can settle this argument I mean some people may even fund you so you can learn the truth or the second option you may seem like people that doesn't even try to collect proof for their arguments (even though I myself don't believe in flat earth I think you guys should try going to space and at least confirming some stuff be brave)
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This is just based on the high moon surface reflectivity value which NASA was claiming to explain the criticism at the time.

You may want to re-watch the video b/c their work is not “just based on the reflectivity value that NASA claimed.” There’s a lot more to it, as Mysfit alluded to. But here’s a hint, the surface is a minor aspect.

Here is the NVIDIA render next to the Apollo photo, showing that the moon is very luminous and reflective, and can light up the back side of the lander:

However, if the lunar surface is so luminous and reflective, then why aren't the shadowed areas of the rocks and craters on the moon's surface also illuminated?

And yes, there are apparently shadows on the moon where shadows should be. 
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Flat Earth Theory / Re: What do Flat-Earthers actually know for fact about Flat-Earth?
« Last post by iamcpc on October 17, 2018, 05:54:36 PM »
Has anybody ever been to the icewall? Or made a photo of the guards supposedly defending the icewall?

There are many flat earth models. Several don't have an Ice wall.
For those people who believe in an ice wall flat earth models the answers vary.
1. Yes people have been to and photographed the ice wall.
2. Yes people have been to the ice wall but no pictures were taken.
3. No people have not been to the ice wall. The guards won't allow them and confiscate pictures of either the guards or the ice wall.
4. Yes people have photographed both the ice wall and the guards of the ice wall.

Has anybody ever proven that it takes way, way, way longer to circumnavigate Antarctica than what has been told?

There are flat earth models in which the circumnavigation of Antarctica takes the same amount of time that it would take on a sphere earth.
For those that believe in the great ice wall they could say something like you can't circumnavigate it. It's a wall that surrounds us.


Has anybody ever been identified to be a member of the grand conspiracy?

Yes. Like NASA or NOAA


Has anybody ever tested with real-life travels whether a FE-map gives accurate distances and angles over long distances?

There are flat earth models which do very well matching with real-life travels.
For the flat earth models which do very poorly matching with real-life travels  it has been suggested that the measurement systems have been specifically designed to provide distances and measurements which falsely show the earth is round.


Who measured the altitude at which Sun and Moon are circling above Earth and how did they measure it?

Who measured the size of Sun and Moon and how did they measure it?

I'm not sure but this video was helpful. It explains how some of the observations made can sometimes be explained by a sun and a moon which are smaller and closer




Who has measured that the horizon has no horizontal curvature and how did they measure it?

Dozens of people. They measure it with a camera.

There was an astronomy class in which someone put a camera on a high altitude balloon. Here's the picture. looks pretty flat to me.






Who has measured the height of the star-dome above Earth and how did they measure it?

I've never really heard of a flat earth model in which there is a star dome. Several in which there is a dome but none with a star dome.
I can't help you answer that question.


Who has measured that Sun and Moon shrink as they rise and set, how does their visible diameter change over time and how did they measure it?

Who has measured the angle-dependent blueshift of starlight caused by Universal Acceleration, what is the angle-dependence, what velocity does Flat Earth have and how did they measure it?

Who has measured that the Coriolis-force does not exist and/or does not switch direction south of the equator and how did they measure it?

I don't know the answers to these questions


Who has measured that the winds, climates and oceanic currents of the SE-model do not exist in reality and how did they measure it?

Who has measured that the tectonic-plate model of the SE-model does not match reality and how did they measure it?

Many flat earth models can match observed oceanic currents and tectonic plate models.
Other flat earth models make no mention of these things


Who has proven that space-travel is not possible and how did they prove it?

There are many flat earth models in which space travel is possible a few who even believe that we have been to space.

For the flat earth models in which space travel is impossible here are some people who believe they have proven that it is impossible





Who has ever looked at the nightsky with a telescope to find out whether satellites and the ISS are where the space-agencies claim them to be?

Several people. For those FE models which believe in space travel there is the belief that the ISS and satellites are exactly that.

For the FE models which believe space travel is impossible the ISS is a high flight airplane, balloon, or meteor.








Who amongst you has actually tested, measured and verified the many claims FE-theory told you?
How did you do it?
When?
Where?
What were your results?

FE is a theory. Some people hold only a specific FE model based more on faith than observations. Some people, such as myself, use real life experiences to determine that many of these models are flat out IMPOSSIBLE to adhere to more plausible ones.

An example is this. On the FE wiki the claim was that the horizon always rises to eye level. Bobby Shafto took dozens of photographs and measurements with box levels, water levels, etc to try to determine if this is true. He provided a lot of pretty reliable evidence which suggest that it might be possible that the horizon may lower based on altitude.

Tom Bishop, the most prominent FE supporter here, agreed with these measurements and observations could be accurate and had said that he would update the wiki.
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Here is the NVIDIA render next to the Apollo photo, showing that the moon is very luminous and reflective, and can light up the back side of the lander:



However, if the lunar surface is so luminous and reflective, then why aren't the shadowed areas of the rocks and craters on the moon's surface also illuminated?

Rock from nasa.gov:



Crater: