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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« Last post by AATW on Today at 10:01:14 PM »
I partly agree with Tom
I do too, it's just a weird boast that they're actively enjoying this level of corruption, self-corruption and cruelty to the poorest and most vulnerable in society.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« Last post by honk on Today at 08:43:01 PM »
I partly agree with Tom - Democrats are deeply dissatisfied with their party and eager for something new. It's ludicrous to suggest they want something more moderate or centrist when the leadership of the party is firmly in the camp of Clinton-era centrism, the more progressive voices within the party are always kept at arms length despite their popularity, and all three of its last presidential candidates ran as centrists. The idea that Democrats are just way too left-wing is a cynical strategy from conservatives to try and get them to move right, at which point they too move right and continue to insist that the Democrats need to move right, thereby moving the Overton window right as well. There isn't a single person in the world who would vote Democratic if only the party was slightly less leftist. Anyone like that is already voting Republican. I also don't believe that Elon was ever especially liked or admired by the left. I've only ever heard conservatives make that claim, not leftists, and there doesn't seem to be any good evidence backing it up beyond the fact that Elon sells electric vehicles. I don't know who you're claiming is trying to rehabilitate his reputation, but even if Elon were making an effort to backtrack from his right-wing politics and reinvent himself as a progressive (and a quick glance at his Twitter will show that he very much is not), I don't see any reason why progressive voters would suddenly forgive him of helping Trump get reelected and then butchering the federal government so that he could make more money.

We might learn some lessons from the recent victory of Zohran Mamdani over Andrew Cuomo in the Democratic mayoral primary of New York. Democratic voters made their priorities clear by supporting Mamdami's strongly progressive policies over Cuomo's business-as-usual centrism, and also by rejecting Cuomo, who, unlike Elon, had previously been well-liked by Democrats until he resigned as governor in the wake of a sexual scandal. That's two strikes against Elon - Democratic voters want progressive policies, not even more centrism, and they're not interested in giving multiple chances to people disgraced by scandal. Oh, but I will agree with you that Republican voters are content with what they have. Trump has shown us repeatedly what kind of person he is, and Republicans are unanimously okay with it. They wouldn't hire him, work for him, hang out with him, lend money to him, or leave their girlfriend alone with him for five minutes - but they will vote for him. In the face of that kind of solidarity, Elon trying to win over his voters is a ridiculous idea, but as I've said before, Elon is nowhere near as smart as he and his followers think he is.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« Last post by Tom Bishop on Today at 07:22:08 PM »
It is Democrats who are extremely dissatisfied with their party, not Republicans. This is why you guys claim "I'm not really a Democrat" or "I'm not really a liberal" and claim some kind of moderate stance despite your leftist values and voting history. In contrast, Republicans and conservatives are generally satisfied with their labels and don't put distance between their party and themselves in this way.

Elon still has some credence as a leftist leader. His right wing antics are generally being characterized as a crazy phase of life and excuses are already being made for him. In time he will be forgiven by the left.

Recall that he already attempted to divide the Democrats  when he first switched over with numerous tweets of direct reason and convincing. His goal with this new party and the manufactured division is clearly to divide the Democrats in a more subtle way, claiming to be a moderate alternative.

Again, it is the Democrats who have been calling for a moderate alternative to their party, not the Republicans, showing us the truth on what this really is.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« Last post by garygreen on Today at 04:10:35 PM »
no you don't get it, this is just a manufactured feud to get the democrats to release the epstein files or whatever
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« Last post by Dr Van Nostrand on Today at 02:18:13 PM »
Musk's 3rd political party will fail so massively that anyone looking directly at the blast without eye protection will be permanently blinded by the flash.

However, it will be a success for America as it siphons percentage points away from Trump's base of preppers, Appalachian sub-normals, incels and aspiring post-Soviet oligarchs. It could fracture the freak coalition.


https://www.reuters.com/world/us/musk-says-america-party-is-formed-us-2025-07-05/?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-us
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« Last post by Shane on July 05, 2025, 06:42:56 PM »
nice debate
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« Last post by juner on July 05, 2025, 04:12:43 PM »
...you're the one who apparently needed to have it explained to you. ::)

i did, especially by the sadman. i am educated now. thank you, and thanks for fixing politics.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« Last post by honk on July 04, 2025, 10:32:53 PM »
...you're the one who apparently needed to have it explained to you. ::)
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« Last post by juner on July 04, 2025, 03:35:27 PM »
what lessons are there to learn?

That the politicians who championed and supported this bill can't be trusted to protect the interests of their constituents and therefore should be voted out would be an obvious one.

my goodness, you have solved politics. get the nyt and time to post huge stories about this...
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« Last post by AATW on July 04, 2025, 05:23:09 AM »
Welp, it passes the house without issue.

So Trump got what he wanted.

I'd day good luck America but honestly?  I hope you reap what you sow and if it's bad (it will be), you all suffer and know it's your own fault.
It’ll be fine. It only affects the poor and the vulnerable and fuck those guys, amirite?