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Title: President Joe Biden
Post by: junker on February 04, 2021, 04:51:09 PM
I thought it may be useful to have a thread to discuss current events of the Biden administration without being drowned out by debating/rehashing the results of an election that was decided a long time ago. In the spirit of that idea, unless there is some new story that comes out about the election/fraud, keep the discussions on whether you think Biden is actually President or not out of this thread.

Biden signed a bunch of EOs undoing the policy set by the Trump admin. The current hot topic is the next covid relief package. Looks like student loan debt relief has been kicked down the road until summer or later. Also Pete Buttigieg is in charge of the trains now.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: garygreen on February 04, 2021, 04:52:58 PM
biden and senate dems are going to completely fuck up marijuana decrim. watch it happen.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Lord Dave on February 04, 2021, 04:54:40 PM
While I like free money (got my $600 yesterday) I hate the dems using reconceliation to push this through. 
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on February 04, 2021, 05:06:04 PM
While I like free money (got my $600 yesterday) I hate the dems using reconceliation to push this through.

Using reconciliation is better than including a bunch of free money for CEOs that the GOP would bargain for.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: junker on February 04, 2021, 05:29:56 PM
Reconciliation is pretty much the only tool they have since Republicans and Democrats are light years apart on what a relief deal should look like. The Republican goal would likely just end up being months of negotiations and then not voting for a Democrat bill anyway.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: JSS on February 04, 2021, 05:33:22 PM
While I like free money (got my $600 yesterday) I hate the dems using reconceliation to push this through.

I wish Republicans would negotiate.  They seem to have forgotten how in the past 12 years.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Lord Dave on February 04, 2021, 05:56:06 PM
While I like free money (got my $600 yesterday) I hate the dems using reconceliation to push this through.

I wish Republicans would negotiate.  They seem to have forgotten how in the past 12 years.

10 republicans went to the WH to negotiate.  I'd call that a good thing.

And did y'all read the republican proposal?  Sheesh.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: junker on February 04, 2021, 05:56:58 PM
While I like free money (got my $600 yesterday) I hate the dems using reconceliation to push this through.

I wish Republicans would negotiate.  They seem to have forgotten how in the past 12 years.

Probably closer to 40 years... That will be what probably ends up leading to abolishing the filibuster by Democrats, which will get Uno reversed on Democrats if Republicans take over during the midterms.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: JSS on February 04, 2021, 06:43:59 PM
While I like free money (got my $600 yesterday) I hate the dems using reconceliation to push this through.

I wish Republicans would negotiate.  They seem to have forgotten how in the past 12 years.

10 republicans went to the WH to negotiate.  I'd call that a good thing.

And did y'all read the republican proposal?  Sheesh.

Meeting is a good thing, sure.  It's a first step.  I read the proposal.

Demanding Biden throw out his proposal and use theirs instead isn't negotiating.

Biden has said he is open to targeting the stimulus checks better, and I agree that's a good idea.  But Republicans want to cut the entire plan by 70% and thats a non-starter.

Is Republicans were serious, you could get some of them to vote for it by doing things like raising the income threshold for better targeting like they want, maybe cut a few items they feel strongly about.

But Democrats have the majority, even if it's a slim one. They set the stage, just as Republicans did for four years. 

But demanding Democrats simply throw away their own package and pass the Republican's bill instead... that's not how this works.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: crutonius on February 04, 2021, 07:22:40 PM
I've been watching a lot of Fox News and listening to the questions their reporters ask the press secretary and I feel confident in declaring that Joe Biden is history's greatest monster.

He says he wants unity but he won't agree to slash his bill proposals by 66% and he also won't meet Trump supporters half way and admit that he stole the election.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: junker on February 05, 2021, 02:05:47 PM
Reconciliation it is, then.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on February 05, 2021, 02:09:58 PM
Reconciliation it is, then.

Biden mentioned more targeted stimulus checks was a good idea. Was that part of this bill or is it intended for the $1,400 checks?
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Lord Dave on February 05, 2021, 02:29:00 PM
Reconciliation it is, then.

Biden mentioned more targeted stimulus checks was a good idea. Was that part of this bill or is it intended for the $1,400 checks?

Thats something the republicans wanted.  They also wanted to drop it to $1,000.

And more targeted is a good idea.  Unemployed/child?  $1,000.  Employed?  $500.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on February 05, 2021, 02:42:55 PM
Reconciliation it is, then.

Biden mentioned more targeted stimulus checks was a good idea. Was that part of this bill or is it intended for the $1,400 checks?

Thats something the republicans wanted.  They also wanted to drop it to $1,000.

And more targeted is a good idea.  Unemployed/child?  $1,000.  Employed?  $500.

In Canada you could get $2k a month if you were unemployed or self employed and making less than $1k/month. They also subsidized wages for companies that showed revenue drops comparing months year over year and scaled it with the magnitude of the revenue drop. It’s kept things pretty stable but largely ignored that our poorest people largely worked in “essential services” and shouldered a disproportionate amount of COVID exposure.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on February 05, 2021, 05:04:04 PM
Hurrah!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-55949250
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on February 09, 2021, 12:35:10 PM
They got the $15 minimum wage in the relief bill. That’s pretty huge. Biden seems intent on maximizing his likely two years of productive time before mid-terms grind the country to a halt again.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Lord Dave on February 09, 2021, 12:41:54 PM
They got the $15 minimum wage in the relief bill. That’s pretty huge. Biden seems intent on maximizing his likely two years of productive time before mid-terms grind the country to a halt again.

Thats.... Ugh.
I mean, $15 is alot in some parts of America.  Like ALOT.  $10 sure but $15 for places like Kentucky or North Carolina?  Not good.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Lord Dave on February 09, 2021, 12:56:34 PM
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/01/politics/stimulus-check-gop-proposal/index.html

I don't see why it's so bad to NOT limit payments to people who are financially screwed?  Like if you have a job and you're earning enough money to support your family, you don't need a stimulus check.  Unless you want the economy to get a sudden sugar rush to help keep it going.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: JSS on February 09, 2021, 01:02:22 PM
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/01/politics/stimulus-check-gop-proposal/index.html

I don't see why it's so bad to NOT limit payments to people who are financially screwed?  Like if you have a job and you're earning enough money to support your family, you don't need a stimulus check.  Unless you want the economy to get a sudden sugar rush to help keep it going.

Buisnesses, people and the economy as a whole needs a boost right now.  Badly.

What we learned during the recession in the Obama years is the worst thing you can do is waste months delaying and fighting instead of getting money moving.  The current bill isn't perfect but a flawed bill NOW is going to be way better than a 'perfect' bill in 5 months when it's too late.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Iceman on February 09, 2021, 02:16:51 PM
They got the $15 minimum wage in the relief bill. That’s pretty huge. Biden seems intent on maximizing his likely two years of productive time before mid-terms grind the country to a halt again.

Thats.... Ugh.
I mean, $15 is alot in some parts of America.  Like ALOT.  $10 sure but $15 for places like Kentucky or North Carolina?  Not good.

Are you saying it's bad that MW got bumped up that high? Particularly in those areas? I would have thought itd be the other way around - too bad it didnt go higher for areas like NY, LA, SF - areas where cost of living is higher.

The best time to raise MW would have been 20 years ago. The second best time is now, even with the complexity of pandemic shutdowns and uncertainty of everything.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: crutonius on February 09, 2021, 04:06:07 PM
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/01/politics/stimulus-check-gop-proposal/index.html

I don't see why it's so bad to NOT limit payments to people who are financially screwed?  Like if you have a job and you're earning enough money to support your family, you don't need a stimulus check.  Unless you want the economy to get a sudden sugar rush to help keep it going.

I believe the argument against it is we don't have an effective means test.  Someone could have lost their job, cut hours, live in a part of the country where that kind of money is only middle class.

I really do agree with a means test for this.  It seems like they haven't used the last year to lay the groundwork for an effective one though.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on February 09, 2021, 04:10:10 PM
Do US employers not issue some kind of record when an employee is laid off/terminated?
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: crutonius on February 09, 2021, 04:15:12 PM
They do but we're so decentralized that it's hard to pull that information together in a meaningful way in a reasonable time.

In short, we really don't have a shit together on this.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Action80 on February 09, 2021, 04:30:44 PM
They got the $15 minimum wage in the relief bill. That’s pretty huge. Biden seems intent on maximizing his likely two years of productive time before mid-terms grind the country to a halt again.
Won't need to wait until midterms to grind the country to a halt. Companies - "Be a pleasure to pay 15 an hour to you Jimmy. Simmons and Jethro, we need to let you go."
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on February 09, 2021, 04:35:01 PM
Corporations already employ as few people as possible. They’ll bitch and moan and Total Lackey’s like you will sympathize with them and then people will realize it was a good thing.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Action80 on February 10, 2021, 11:48:24 AM
Pleased you are finally admitting corporations do not need to employ people.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on February 10, 2021, 12:15:22 PM
I’ve never said they do. You play the silliest games.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: JSS on February 10, 2021, 12:21:15 PM
Pleased you are finally admitting corporations do not need to employ people.

This is a new one to me.

How exactly do you think companies get any work done without any employees?  Robots?
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Lord Dave on February 10, 2021, 12:25:34 PM
Pleased you are finally admitting corporations do not need to employ people.

This is a new one to me.

How exactly do you think companies get any work done without any employees?  Robots?

Or outsourcing.  Why hire people when you can just pay someone to hire people for you?
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: JSS on February 10, 2021, 03:35:47 PM
Pleased you are finally admitting corporations do not need to employ people.

This is a new one to me.

How exactly do you think companies get any work done without any employees?  Robots?

Or outsourcing.  Why hire people when you can just pay someone to hire people for you?

I suppose it depends on how pedantic you're feeling.  Still... is there ANY corporation that is 100% outsourced?  Even the CEO?  I have to imagine you need at least ONE person to actually sign the paperwork somewhere.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Lord Dave on February 10, 2021, 04:48:59 PM
Pleased you are finally admitting corporations do not need to employ people.

This is a new one to me.

How exactly do you think companies get any work done without any employees?  Robots?

Or outsourcing.  Why hire people when you can just pay someone to hire people for you?

I suppose it depends on how pedantic you're feeling.  Still... is there ANY corporation that is 100% outsourced?  Even the CEO?  I have to imagine you need at least ONE person to actually sign the paperwork somewhere.

You do need at least one person, yes.  But thats really it.

Shell companies, man.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Fortuna on February 11, 2021, 09:08:23 PM
A $15 minimum wage won't work in the US. It will just inflate prices for people who had the initiative to do something with their lives, and poor people will have the same spending power or worse. The entire culture here runs almost entirely on insatiable consumerism since we don't have much else to fill our lives with. If you don't like it, then stop feeding megacorps.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Iceman on February 11, 2021, 09:30:10 PM
This is the classic right-wing argument... "we cant raise the minimum wage because it'll make everything too expensive."
1. That's not true, and you can look at many other countries where the minimum wage has gone up on a curve that more closely parallels productivity and cost of living. Prices have inflated 20-30% on many high ticket items (cars, tuition, rent, many foods) without an increase in minimum wage.
2. Raising the minimum wage might also motivate people to "get their lazy asses off welfare" (paraphrased from republicans) because there is actually a monetary incentive to do so. I have friends that used to complain social services cheques were too high " why would they get a job when they're making 80% as much just to stay home and get paid by the government?!"
3. Corporations are cutting jobs anyways, so raising minimum wage isnt the primary factor in job loss/creation

4. Raising minimum wage to a living wage will actually free up hundreds of thousands of positions because people working two full-time minimum wage jobs will be able to afford to work just one (which was the original intent of a minimum wage in the first place).
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Lord Dave on February 11, 2021, 10:11:57 PM
A $15 minimum wage won't work in the US. It will just inflate prices for people who had the initiative to do something with their lives, and poor people will have the same spending power or worse. The entire culture here runs almost entirely on insatiable consumerism since we don't have much else to fill our lives with. If you don't like it, then stop feeding megacorps.

Also:
The prices at Taco Bell in DC (which has a $15 min. wage) and Pittsburgh,(which has $7.50) is the same.

https://www.menuwithprice.com/menu/taco-bell/washington-d-c/washington/164741/
https://www.menuwithprice.com/menu/taco-bell/pennsylvania/pittsburgh/161146/
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: J-Man on February 12, 2021, 01:55:11 AM
No one in their right mind would eat this kind of filthy fast food. Any wonder our society is all obese and lazy? Get in the drive thru fat fks, were gonna clog your arteries. Just slide your welfare card here. Vote for me, more fries on your plate. The Dem way.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: stack on February 12, 2021, 02:27:44 AM
No one in their right mind would eat this kind of filthy fast food. Any wonder our society is all obese and lazy? Get in the drive thru fat fks, were gonna clog your arteries. Just slide your welfare card here. Vote for me, more fries on your plate. The Dem way.

Seems like American obesity is decidedly bi-partisan, not just a Democrat thing - Actually, it looks like it actually leans Republican:

Adult Obesity Prevalence Maps
(https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/maps/brfss_2019_ob_all.svg)
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on February 12, 2021, 02:50:06 AM
No one in their right mind would eat this kind of filthy fast food. Any wonder our society is all obese and lazy? Get in the drive thru fat fks, were gonna clog your arteries. Just slide your welfare card here. Vote for me, more fries on your plate. The Dem way.

Don’t worry. No one got fat eating crow.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Fortuna on February 12, 2021, 02:59:06 AM
A $15 minimum wage won't work in the US. It will just inflate prices for people who had the initiative to do something with their lives, and poor people will have the same spending power or worse. The entire culture here runs almost entirely on insatiable consumerism since we don't have much else to fill our lives with. If you don't like it, then stop feeding megacorps.

Also:
The prices at Taco Bell in DC (which has a $15 min. wage) and Pittsburgh,(which has $7.50) is the same.

https://www.menuwithprice.com/menu/taco-bell/washington-d-c/washington/164741/
https://www.menuwithprice.com/menu/taco-bell/pennsylvania/pittsburgh/161146/

Comparing a nationwide $15 minimum wage with the prices of food at one retailer in two cities is a bit silly, even for you.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: J-Man on February 12, 2021, 03:12:26 AM
No one in their right mind would eat this kind of filthy fast food. Any wonder our society is all obese and lazy? Get in the drive thru fat fks, were gonna clog your arteries. Just slide your welfare card here. Vote for me, more fries on your plate. The Dem way.

Don’t worry. No one got fat eating crow.

I may have to try it someday. Is it true Biden wears a diaper again?
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Lord Dave on February 12, 2021, 05:40:43 AM
A $15 minimum wage won't work in the US. It will just inflate prices for people who had the initiative to do something with their lives, and poor people will have the same spending power or worse. The entire culture here runs almost entirely on insatiable consumerism since we don't have much else to fill our lives with. If you don't like it, then stop feeding megacorps.

Also:
The prices at Taco Bell in DC (which has a $15 min. wage) and Pittsburgh,(which has $7.50) is the same.

https://www.menuwithprice.com/menu/taco-bell/washington-d-c/washington/164741/
https://www.menuwithprice.com/menu/taco-bell/pennsylvania/pittsburgh/161146/

Comparing a nationwide $15 minimum wage with the prices of food at one retailer in two cities is a bit silly, even for you.
I just wanted to show an example that prices did not shift in any measurable way.  Would you like me to choose a different industry?  Look at GDP per state?
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tom Bishop on February 20, 2021, 03:26:13 AM
Australian news on dementia joe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nhm6VAIc90&ab_channel=SkyNewsAustralia
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: stack on February 20, 2021, 05:45:43 AM
Australian news on dementia joe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nhm6VAIc90&ab_channel=SkyNewsAustralia

So you found the Sean Hannity of Australia. Good for you. This shabby opinion piece is pretty worthless, especially coming from this guy, Cory Bernardi. He's got a juicy pedigree according to wikipedia:

On 21 April 2007, Bernardi published an essay questioning whether global warming was caused by human activities. Then-environment Minister Malcolm Turnbull and other Liberal parliamentarians promptly distanced themselves from his views.

Bernardi has said that permitting same-sex marriages would lead to legalised polygamy and bestiality;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cory_Bernardi#Global_warming

Bernardi is a far right pundit. What do you expect him say. Stay away from opinion pieces and stick to the news.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tom Bishop on February 20, 2021, 06:56:07 AM
What does his essay have to do with the fact that Joe Biden is a dementia-ridden embarrassment?
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on February 20, 2021, 10:29:17 AM
What does his essay have to do with the fact that Joe Biden is a dementia-ridden embarrassment?
As a non American, I assure you that the rest of the world is laughing at you far less now there’s a grown up in the White House.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on February 20, 2021, 10:49:55 AM
What does his essay have to do with the fact that Joe Biden is a dementia-ridden embarrassment?

It means that he is not very good at evaluating facts.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Toddler Thork on February 20, 2021, 12:08:15 PM
What does his essay have to do with the fact that Joe Biden is a dementia-ridden embarrassment?
As a non American, I assure you that the rest of the world is laughing at you far less now there’s a grown up in the White House.
This is absolute nonsense. America is an absolute laughing stock now. They got rid of a man who could at least deliver a rousing speech and could legitimately worry rivals such as China and replaced him with a man who can't even remember what he had for breakfast. Just because the media isn't making a deal out of it (biased), doesn't mean regular people just accept the narrative that joe is somehow a good President. He's going to be the worst President America has ever known. Imagine how embarrassing gaff prone idiot George Bush was. Biden is going to be worse. We've got 4 years of him achieving nothing and sticking his foot in his mouth every time he opens it to come.

Yes, there are sycophants like AATW who will cosy up to absolutely anyone as long as its not Trump, so blinded by mainstream media outlets as he has been. But Trump is gone now ... and what you are left with is a weak and wretched embarrassment of a man. A shrivelled fossil. "At least it isn't Trump" doesn't cut it. This man is worse. He's got a lower IQ. He's got less of an idea of what is going on. He's surrounded himself with radical left wing activists. Its going to be an absolute shit show.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: JSS on February 20, 2021, 12:11:36 PM
What does his essay have to do with the fact that Joe Biden is a dementia-ridden embarrassment?

It shows he's a hack and not a credible news source.

Crazy ranting talk show hosts are good entertainment but not an authority on anything.  If this is where you get your news then you are going to continue to be uninformed.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: JSS on February 20, 2021, 12:15:29 PM
They got rid of a man who could at least deliver a rousing speech

A rousing speech? He could say a bunch of nonsense that got a crowd of people to jump up and down and chant USA but for the rest of the country and the entire world it was just painful to listen to him try and put together a coherent sentence.

Being able to whip your die-hard followers into a frenzy isn't anything the rest of the world looked at with envy, well except for maybe other politicians admired his ability to lie and get away with it.

Biden can actually write and deliver a speech that is more complex than repeating a few lies and telling everyone how smart he is.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Iceman on February 20, 2021, 01:42:21 PM
I dont think Biden was the right guy for the Dems to nominate. I dont think hes a very good speaker. I think hes another old white dude.

But my god is he ever a better example of presidential material than the Donald. Misspoke on vaccines, but hes increased vaccination rates and delivered a coherent plan for rollout. Misquoted grossly on talk against racism in China. The praise hes getting for doing the bare minimum in quickly delivering aid to Texas 'even though they didnt vote for him' is embarrassing...but it's somehow a notable contrast from 2016-2020.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: JSS on February 20, 2021, 02:14:43 PM
I dont think Biden was the right guy for the Dems to nominate. I dont think hes a very good speaker. I think hes another old white dude.

But my god is he ever a better example of presidential material than the Donald. Misspoke on vaccines, but hes increased vaccination rates and delivered a coherent plan for rollout. Misquoted grossly on talk against racism in China. The praise hes getting for doing the bare minimum in quickly delivering aid to Texas 'even though they didnt vote for him' is embarrassing...but it's somehow a notable contrast from 2016-2020.

He was exactly what we needed.  Boring and calm.  When disaster hits a state he makes sure they get help, and doesn't threaten to withhold aid because his fee-fees were hurt. It's nice having an adult in charge again.

Remember how Obama handled the New Jersey disasters and did everything Christie asked for because it was the right thing to do?  He didn't tell him to go rake leaves. 

Frankly as much as I'd love an aggressive, progressive President who REALLY rams some left wing shit through, it's time once again for Democrats to take one for the team and just put things back in order. Again.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: garygreen on February 20, 2021, 03:08:38 PM
why does literally every thread have to be about trump
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on February 20, 2021, 03:19:42 PM
why does literally every thread have to be about trump

It’s just the trolls bring him up here. Carry on!
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on February 20, 2021, 03:29:53 PM
This is absolute nonsense.
You obviously talk to different people than I do. Most people I know are relieved there’s a grown up in the White House

People literally and openly laughed at Trump. Remember this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN2jqTilLOM

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They got rid of a man who could at least deliver a rousing speech

Without wishing to go all Godwin’s Law on you, I know an Austrian fella who could do that.

And I thought Biden’s inauguration speech was excellent.

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Yes, there are sycophants like AATW who will cosy up to absolutely anyone as long as its not Trump, so blinded by mainstream media outlets as he has been.

Oh, you’re one of them. Not a surprise really.
Let me guess, the real news is to be found on YouTube channels and right wing blogs which you happen to agree with. Right?
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on February 20, 2021, 03:56:06 PM
Back to Biden. This addresses Tom’s lies in the meme thread where he posted a meme deliberately taking a small snippet of a quote out of context. I know that’s Tom’s MO, but here’s the context:

https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/feb/18/context-what-joe-biden-said-about-vaccine-supply-h/
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Toddler Thork on February 20, 2021, 07:26:02 PM
Biden can actually write and deliver a speech that is more complex than repeating a few lies and telling everyone how smart he is.
You think Biden writes his own speeches? And as for delivery ... this week he likes children more than people. The guy is out to lunch.

Most people I know are relieved there’s a grown up in the White House
What is grown up about Biden? He lets progressives run his administration for him? Is that grown up? Is playing Mario Kart all day grown up? Is sniffing little girls hair grown up. Is inviting voters to a push up contest to show them how fit you are grown up? Is challenging the then President of the USA to a fist fight behind a gym grown up? How about calling voters a lying dog-faced pony soldier ... grown up?

You seem to have a very short and very selective memory. Biden is an utter asshat. Corrupt to the core. Mad as a box of frogs.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Iceman on February 20, 2021, 08:39:45 PM
Biden can actually write and deliver a speech that is more complex than repeating a few lies and telling everyone how smart he is.
You think Biden writes his own speeches? And as for delivery ... this week he likes children more than people. The guy is out to lunch.

Most people I know are relieved there’s a grown up in the White House
What is grown up about Biden? He lets progressives run his administration for him? Is that grown up? Is playing Mario Kart all day grown up? Is sniffing little girls hair grown up. Is inviting voters to a push up contest to show them how fit you are grown up? Is challenging the then President of the USA to a fist fight behind a gym grown up? How about calling voters a lying dog-faced pony soldier ... grown up?

You seem to have a very short and very selective memory. Biden is an utter asshat. Corrupt to the core. Mad as a box of frogs.

I'm no Biden apologist. Nor am I a fan of whataboutism... but jesus it's like you've deleted the shitshow of the last 5 years from your memory entirely.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Toddler Thork on February 20, 2021, 08:57:45 PM
I'm no Biden apologist. Nor am I a fan of whataboutism... but jesus it's like you've deleted the shitshow of the last 5 years from your memory entirely.
Trump is gone.

This thread is about Biden.

America chose Biden and all I see is apologists for Biden. As though he is a 'grown up'? What is that about? He's been in office about 4 weeks and he behaves like an utter chimp.

No America. You don't get to walk away from this and celebrate it with a "better than Trump". You picked a cockwomble for a President. One who I am sure will prove to be far WORSE than the Trump boogieman. Trump got nothing done, his every path blocked. Every door is flung open for Biden. You are unleashing a total idiot and none of you are brave enough to stand up and say it.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Lord Dave on February 20, 2021, 10:40:25 PM
Biden can actually write and deliver a speech that is more complex than repeating a few lies and telling everyone how smart he is.
You think Biden writes his own speeches? And as for delivery ... this week he likes children more than people. The guy is out to lunch.

Most people I know are relieved there’s a grown up in the White House
What is grown up about Biden? He lets progressives run his administration for him? Is that grown up? Is playing Mario Kart all day grown up? Is sniffing little girls hair grown up. Is inviting voters to a push up contest to show them how fit you are grown up? Is challenging the then President of the USA to a fist fight behind a gym grown up? How about calling voters a lying dog-faced pony soldier ... grown up?

You seem to have a very short and very selective memory. Biden is an utter asshat. Corrupt to the core. Mad as a box of frogs.

What's grown up about him is that he doesn't name-call people he doesn't like.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: JSS on February 20, 2021, 10:59:32 PM
You seem to have a very short and very selective memory. Biden is an utter asshat. Corrupt to the core. Mad as a box of frogs.

I don't know what insane frothing at the mouth right wing talk show host you get YOUR news from, but it sounds like they need to calm down.  If Biden is your idea of the devil himself, well have fun in extreme crazy land.

Come visit the real world when you calm down too. :)
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: stack on February 20, 2021, 11:18:48 PM
No America. You don't get to walk away from this and celebrate it with a "better than Trump". You picked a cockwomble for a President. One who I am sure will prove to be far WORSE than the Trump boogieman.

Your predictive powers have been spot on so far:

Its not even close. Trump's gonna walk the election, despite what the Liberal media in the US tell you.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Iceman on February 21, 2021, 03:45:10 AM
Biden is such a bad president that Newsmax is spending time complaining  about the ppearance of his dog, a 12 year old Shepard.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: honk on February 21, 2021, 04:50:29 AM
Trump is gone.

This thread is about Biden.

America chose Biden and all I see is apologists for Biden.

America chose Biden because the alternative was Trump. That the alternative was far worse is not irrelevant to the question of how we can justify Biden's election. Biden has said and done plenty of dumb and immature things, but there's no comparison between him and Trump there. There's no comparison between any well-known politician and Trump there. Also, I love how you took a picture of Biden playing Mario Kart with his grandkid and somehow got "Biden plays Mario Kart all day!" out of it.

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Trump got nothing done, his every path blocked.

Trump never even tried to get anything done, outside of one or two dumb vanity projects like the unnecessary border wall. Trump had no real interest in or knowledge of governing or policy to begin with. His presidency was simply an ego trip and experiment in branding for himself, and it's embarrassing to think that millions of Americans voted for it.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Toddler Thork on February 21, 2021, 05:17:04 AM
America chose Biden because the alternative was Trump.
No ... alternatives included Yang, Sanders, Warren, Buttigieg, Bloomberg, Klobachar and many many others who weren't suffering from mental incapacity. America chose Biden.

Trump never even tried to get anything done, outside of one or two dumb vanity projects like the unnecessary border wall. Trump had no real interest in or knowledge of governing or policy to begin with. His presidency was simply an ego trip and experiment in branding for himself, and it's embarrassing to think that millions of Americans voted for it.
He grabbed China by the pussy. He certainly wasn't out there patting them on the back for committing genocide. Trump's record is actually very good. Considering what he was up against and no president has ever had such an awful ride from the media and US institutions, he did a great job. Biden on the other hand has had nothing but backslapping and praise showered on him for doing nothing other than Presiding over the vaccine rollout that Trump put in place. And despite what Biden says (because he is telling lies), a vaccine was already available by the time he got into office.

The embarrassment is that you think Biden is a good President and that he is in someway going to improve America over what Trump was doing. We'll see about that when he borrows that $1.9 trillion.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Lord Dave on February 21, 2021, 06:01:13 AM
America chose Biden because the alternative was Trump.
No ... alternatives included Yang, Sanders, Warren, Buttigieg, Bloomberg, Klobachar and many many others who weren't suffering from mental incapacity. America chose Biden.
This is technically inaccurate.  Only a small subset of voters are allowed to choose the party nominee.  Which vary by state.  Some states have open primaries so anyone can vote (like republicans can choose a democrat candidate) while others are limited to only party members.  America as a whole had two choices: Trump or Biden.  Democrats has many.

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Trump never even tried to get anything done, outside of one or two dumb vanity projects like the unnecessary border wall. Trump had no real interest in or knowledge of governing or policy to begin with. His presidency was simply an ego trip and experiment in branding for himself, and it's embarrassing to think that millions of Americans voted for it.
He grabbed China by the pussy. He certainly wasn't out there patting them on the back for committing genocide. Trump's record is actually very good. Considering what he was up against and no president has ever had such an awful ride from the media and US institutions, he did a great job. Biden on the other hand has had nothing but backslapping and praise showered on him for doing nothing other than Presiding over the vaccine rollout that Trump put in place. And despite what Biden says (because he is telling lies), a vaccine was already available by the time he got into office.

The embarrassment is that you think Biden is a good President and that he is in someway going to improve America over what Trump was doing. We'll see about that when he borrows that $1.9 trillion.
So grabbing by the pussy is harmful?  And you like Trump doing it to women? Sheesh...

Trump's record is one of self prmotion and isolationism.  He also namecalled because he was too weak to take on people on their level, so he needed to weaken them in the public eye.

He attacked China and started a Trade war.  Do you know why?  Because they had the audacity to have a "China First" policy and not bow to Trump.  Had they simply sent him a big card with praise, he'd have given them anything they wanted.  It wasn't due to any attacks on their citizens, that's for sure.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on February 21, 2021, 09:37:08 AM
I'm no Biden apologist. Nor am I a fan of whataboutism... but jesus it's like you've deleted the shitshow of the last 5 years from your memory entirely.
Indeed.
It’s weird how Thork accuses me of a short and selective memory while carefully selecting certain things to “demonstrate” that Biden isn’t a grown up. One of which is him playing with his granddaughter at a level she will engage with which is very much what grown ups do.

Biden is a grown up because of how he conducts himself. I’m sure if you pore through every detail you can make him look bad. But he is taking seriously and dealing with things like the pandemic and the situation in Texas.
He isn’t just denying it’s happening, saying it’ll all go away, claiming he’s doing a brilliant job and buggering off to play golf.
He isn’t Tweeting lies every 5 minutes or attacking in puerile ways anyone who disagrees with him. He isn’t conducting international diplomacy with another nuclear power via a Twitter flame war.

If you watch documentaries about the Trump presidency you’ll know that people around Trump were regarded “the grown ups in the room”. Trump was not.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: JSS on February 21, 2021, 12:12:40 PM
He grabbed China by the pussy.

He withdrew us from the Trans Pacific Trade Agreement which put China in control and removed all the leverage we had over it.  China LOVED Trump for that.  He gave them a huge win.

Good job. He then threw up some tariffs, and China retaliated with the end result we had to put our own farmers on life support and nothing really changed. At the same time Trump did that to our allies, which again, CHina loved.

Trump sucked at everything he did.  That's why he lost.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Pete Svarrior on February 21, 2021, 10:28:05 PM
As a non American, I assure you that the rest of the world is laughing at you far less now there’s a grown up in the White House.
I'm not sure citizens of Brexitville are the best judges of character out there. Indeed, I'd take the UK's opinion as a great bellwether for what not to believe.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on February 22, 2021, 11:50:01 AM
As a non American, I assure you that the rest of the world is laughing at you far less now there’s a grown up in the White House.
I'm not sure citizens of Brexitville are the best judges of character out there. Indeed, I'd take the UK's opinion as a great bellwether for what not to believe.
I don't talk to stupids.
I'd take the Thork's opinion as a great bellwether for what not to believe.
But if you don't trust what people in the UK think (fairly sensibly), then it's not just us

https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news-polls/global-views-us-presidential-election

Internationally Trump is a laughing stock, Biden is viewed as a grown up.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Toddler Thork on February 22, 2021, 09:29:33 PM
As a non American, I assure you that the rest of the world is laughing at you far less now there’s a grown up in the White House.
I'm not sure citizens of Brexitville are the best judges of character out there. Indeed, I'd take the UK's opinion as a great bellwether for what not to believe.
You are free to go home any time you like.  ::)
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tumeni on March 07, 2021, 11:04:14 AM
America is an absolute laughing stock now.

It became that shortly after the election in 2016, and the world is breathing a collective sigh of relief after the 2020 election.

They got rid of a man who could at least deliver a rousing speech and ... replaced him ...

Hitler delivered rousing speeches. Hitler worked his crowds into a frenzy. We see how that worked out. I don't think rousing speeches and crowd frenzy to the assembled (semi- or fully-brainwashed) faithful, with the opposition uninvited and absent, are a good indicator of a great leader. 

We've got 4 years of him ... sticking his foot in his mouth every time he opens it to come.

His job is running the country, not making speeches. The world should not care if he stutters over his lines, as long as he's running things properly.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 08, 2021, 01:17:53 AM
Why should the favorability of foreign countries factor into it? If someone were to suggest that America or China should decide on how British laws are made or how British public monies are spent they would be called a dunce.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tumeni on March 08, 2021, 07:34:32 AM
Why should the favorability of foreign countries factor into it? If someone were to suggest that America or China should decide on how British laws are made or how British public monies are spent they would be called a dunce.

One World, to borrow a song title.

America should work with the rest of the world, not against it. Yes, it's difficult to apply this to Russia, China, et al, but America is an ally to the UK, Europe, Canada, etc, and should not be removing itself from climate accords, and other international agreements.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on March 08, 2021, 07:51:34 AM
Why should the favorability of foreign countries factor into it? If someone were to suggest that America or China should decide on how British laws are made or how British public monies are spent they would be called a dunce.
Yes, they would be called a dunce, but you are conflating two things. I don’t want other countries telling us how to do things, but I’d rather not have a leader who is an international laughing stock. Trump was openly laughed at by the other leaders at the UN when he started spouting his usual bullshit.
This will blow your mind but the US, while powerful, does not exist in a vacuum. Having a leader who other national leaders feel they can work with and take seriously (and not just because he happened to be the POTUS, so they had to try and work with him even though he was a child) is probably a good thing. Why would you want your country to be an international laughing stock?
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 08, 2021, 04:10:33 PM
Why should the favorability of foreign countries factor into it? If someone were to suggest that America or China should decide on how British laws are made or how British public monies are spent they would be called a dunce.

One World, to borrow a song title.

America should work with the rest of the world, not against it. Yes, it's difficult to apply this to Russia, China, et al, but America is an ally to the UK, Europe, Canada, etc, and should not be removing itself from climate accords, and other international agreements.

America is paying a lot more than "developing" countries like China and other countries in the Paris Climate Accord. Your argument is that foreigners want America in the agreement to take advantage of America.

Why should the wants of other countries be what is best for America?

https://www.heritage.org/testimony/paris-climate-promise-bad-deal-america

"The funding required by the Paris Agreement will be significant and continuing. The principal depository for such funds is the Green Climate Fund (GCF), which assists developing countries in adapting to climate change. The GCF was established by the 2009 Copenhagen Accord, which committed developed countries by 2020 to provide $100 billion per year, every year, seemingly in perpetuity.[9] The Paris Agreement obligates developed countries such as the U.S. to “provide financial resources to assist developing country Parties with respect to both mitigation and adaptation.”[10] In the decision adopting the Paris Agreement, the COP-21 set the goal of these funds at “a floor of USD 100 billion per year.”[11] Only developed nations like the U.S. are obligated to contribute to the GCF, while developing nations are “encouraged” to make “voluntary” contributions.[12]

Sen. Barrasso-

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/11/05/president-trump-leave-bad-paris-agreement-john-barrasso-editorials-debates/4170938002/

"According to the National Economic Research Associates, if we met all of our commitments as part of the Paris climate agreement, it would cost the American economy $3 trillion and 6.5 million industrial sector jobs by 2040. We don’t need to cripple our economy to protect our environment."

"As the climate deal punished America’s energy producers with expensive and burdensome regulations, it gave other countries U.S. taxpayer-funded subsidies and generous timelines.

Countries like China got a free pass to pollute for over a decade. With abundant low-cost coal, China and India would put our manufacturers at a huge competitive disadvantage. Economic costs would be severe."
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on March 08, 2021, 04:18:05 PM
America is making a lot of money off of the pollution they create, which is substantial  Obviously they should be one of the biggest contributors to any fund of this nature.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 08, 2021, 04:37:30 PM
America is making a lot of money off of the pollution they create, which is substantial  Obviously they should be one of the biggest contributors to any fund of this nature.

Maybe you should try breathing the air in a large city in the US versus a large city in China before making such an atrocious statement.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tumeni on March 08, 2021, 05:08:01 PM
America is paying a lot more than "developing" countries like China and other countries in the Paris Climate Accord. Your argument is that foreigners want America in the agreement to take advantage of America.

No, I'm not arguing anything about financials at all.

I want America to play nice with the rest of us for the good of the planet, and the overall good of humankind. America is supposed to be our friend and ally, not the evil cousin.

To draw an analogy, if America selfishly decides that it's OK for them to pee in the pool, and there's only one pool, then the rest of us have to suck up America's pollution of the pool. Even if you can put up with polluted water down your end, you gotta have some consideration for others in the pool. Surely.

Why should the wants of other countries be what is best for America?

So that we all get along. So that the planet doesn't wheeze to a halt under the fog of pollution.

You don't really want to be mean to everyone else in the world, do you? Surely you must want to get along with some of us?
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on March 08, 2021, 05:10:52 PM
America is making a lot of money off of the pollution they create, which is substantial  Obviously they should be one of the biggest contributors to any fund of this nature.

Maybe you should try breathing the air in a large city in the US versus a large city in China before making such an atrocious statement.
You're right, actually. I've been to Beijing and while it comes and goes a bit, at times it's pretty horrible there.
Not has bad as Delhi though.

From the data I saw, China pollutes twice as much as you guys in terms of CO2 emissions.
But...they have what, 3 or 4 times as many people. So per capita you are leading the way.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 08, 2021, 05:30:11 PM
America is making a lot of money off of the pollution they create, which is substantial  Obviously they should be one of the biggest contributors to any fund of this nature.

Maybe you should try breathing the air in a large city in the US versus a large city in China before making such an atrocious statement.
You're right, actually. I've been to Beijing and while it comes and goes a bit, at times it's pretty horrible there.
Not has bad as Delhi though.

From the data I saw, China pollutes twice as much as you guys in terms of CO2 emissions.
But...they have what, 3 or 4 times as many people. So per capita you are leading the way.

No. China is the biggest polluter regardless of whether they had 1 person in their country or 3 billion.

Why should the US pay more than the largest polluter on earth?

If tomorrow there was another country with 10 billion people that was the biggest polluter is it also the US's job to pay far more money then they are to clean up their environment too? Why should that be?

You are arguing that America should take care of the world and put in far more resources than anyone else without basis. Why should the world's desire to loot Anerica favor into anything?
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on March 08, 2021, 05:38:17 PM
Why should the US pay more than the largest polluter on earth?
I didn't say you should. But you're the second worst in the world and per capita you are the highest.
So, you know, you could do your bit.

I must admit on trips to Delhi - I've been there for work a few times - it does all feel a bit pointless recycling.
What's the point when there's a country of a billion people pumping out that amount of shit into the atmosphere?
But I guess we all have to do our bit but as individuals and as countries. What's the alternative?
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 08, 2021, 05:45:32 PM
America is putting in more than you too. The argument revolving around the world's desire to loot America isn't a good one to prove that the world knows what's best for America.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on March 08, 2021, 06:03:34 PM
America is putting in more than you too. The argument revolving around the world's desire to loot America isn't a good one to prove that the world knows what's best for America.
I don’t know who you’re arguing with here.
It doesn’t seem to be me as you’re arguing against things I haven’t said.
But thankfully we now have a President who understands that climate change is a serious issue which demands a response.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Dr Van Nostrand on March 08, 2021, 06:06:59 PM
America is putting in more than you too. The argument revolving around the world's desire to loot America isn't a good one to prove that the world knows what's best for America.

Looting America?

We out consume every country on this planet per capita.

“With less than 5 percent of world population, the U.S. uses one-third of the world's paper, a quarter of the world's oil, 23 percent of the coal, 27 percent of the aluminum, and 19 percent of the copper,”

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/american-consumption-habits/

But I'm guessing that's all liberal lies...


Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Iceman on March 08, 2021, 06:07:49 PM
Developing solutions that are too expensive or too complicated to implement is an exercise in futility.

This is why money needs to be set aside to assist up and coming countries build around more sustainable tech and infrastructure that is (currently) too expensive for them to implement on their own.

We've all been guilty of the exact same thing AATW describes at some point, but persistence of that idea is what will hold us back.

Should the US be forced to pay the most? Absolutely not. But can it justify sitting on the side and playing by it's own set of rules? Fuck no.

Take global warming (the over-politicised part of it) and look at it from a pollution and public health point of view. The economics of taking positive action rapidly start to work out favorably at all scales, from local to global.

The best time time to take action was years ago, the second best time is today. Stupid clichés stick for a reason...
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tumeni on March 08, 2021, 06:22:36 PM
No. China is the biggest polluter regardless of whether they had 1 person in their country or 3 billion.

Why should the US pay more than the largest polluter on earth?

It's not a question of financials. It's a question of America working with its friends and allies, not being selfish and turning its back on them.

To extend my analogy above; if America stops peeing in the pool, the pool will be cleaner. There may be others still peeing, those who we cannot persuade, but if enough of us, including America, stop doing this, then we will have a cleaner pool. And we all want a cleaner pool, don't we?
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 08, 2021, 06:24:03 PM
America is putting in more than you too. The argument revolving around the world's desire to loot America isn't a good one to prove that the world knows what's best for America.

Looting America?

We out consume every country on this planet per capita.

“With less than 5 percent of world population, the U.S. uses one-third of the world's paper, a quarter of the world's oil, 23 percent of the coal, 27 percent of the aluminum, and 19 percent of the copper,”

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/american-consumption-habits/

But I'm guessing that's all liberal lies...

I don't see why consuming more should have anything to do with why someone should use an unfair level of their resources to clean up other countries.

If I go to Costco more often than you to buy home cleaning supplies am I therefore responsible for your maid service because you live like a pig and are unwilling to clean your own house?

In a Home Owner's Association everyone is responsible for maintaining the exterior of their own homes under the same regulation. Why should the regulation between the US and China be any different?
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tumeni on March 08, 2021, 06:30:57 PM
'Looting' America for what? If America spends on climate improvement, America and the rest of the world gets a cleaner planet. You do want that, don't you?

What do you see as being looted? Do you think America's expenditure on this simply drops into other's pockets, like some extra disposable income, for spending on leisure goods?
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 08, 2021, 06:53:08 PM
China is perfectly capable of taxing its companies and setting regulations to clean up their pollution. There is zero reason for America to provide its public funds to provide maid service to other countries.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on March 08, 2021, 06:55:41 PM
If I go to Costco more often than you to buy home cleaning supplies am I therefore responsible for your maid service because you live like a pig and are unwilling to clean your own house?

In a Home Owner's Association everyone is responsible for maintaining the exterior of their own homes under the same regulation. Why should the regulation between the US and China be any different?
You understand we all live on the same street, right? So you guys throwing garbage around blows all over the street and we all suffer.

The fact that there are other jerks on the street making it less nice doesn’t mean you shouldn’t do your bit. Maybe, as you like to think of yourself as the “Best Country on Earth” you should be setting an example.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 08, 2021, 07:04:39 PM
If I go to Costco more often than you to buy home cleaning supplies am I therefore responsible for your maid service because you live like a pig and are unwilling to clean your own house?

In a Home Owner's Association everyone is responsible for maintaining the exterior of their own homes under the same regulation. Why should the regulation between the US and China be any different?
You understand we all live on the same street, right? So you guys throwing garbage around blows all over the street and we all suffer.

The fact that there are other jerks on the street making it less nice doesn’t mean you shouldn’t do your bit. Maybe, as you like to think of yourself as the “Best Country on Earth” you should be setting an example.

Your examples say that countries should be responsible for themselves.

If I am tossing garbage into the streets why should it be your responsibility to follow me around and clean up for me? It's my responsibility to appropriately dispose of my own garbage, obviously.

People should be responsible for themselves and operate under the same regulation. Your own example says that the US is not responsible for China.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tumeni on March 08, 2021, 07:13:53 PM
If I am tossing garbage into the streets why should it be your responsibility to follow me around and clean up for me? It's my responsibility to appropriately dispose of my own garbage, obviously.

... why wouldn't you want to join an association that teams up amongst the neighbours to help everybody pick up the garbage?

We're all on the same street (= We're all on the same planet)


People should be responsible for themselves and operate under the same regulation. Your own example says that the US is not responsible for China.

There might be one person on the street who doesn't want to join in, and still casts their garbage, but don't you think the street would be a better place if the decent folks got together and cleaned up what they can?
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 08, 2021, 07:24:55 PM
There might be one person on the street who doesn't want to join in, and still casts their garbage, but don't you think the street would be a better place if the decent folks got together and cleaned up what they can?

If the person doesn't want to join in then they get fined for littering. That's usually how it works.

Decent folks are already taking care of themselves and their own environment. It would be unfair to extend that responsibility to others when they are already responsible for themselves.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on March 08, 2021, 08:10:42 PM
America is making a lot of money off of the pollution they create, which is substantial  Obviously they should be one of the biggest contributors to any fund of this nature.

Maybe you should try breathing the air in a large city in the US versus a large city in China before making such an atrocious statement.

China is also a big polluter and should also be contributing substantial amounts.  These are not exclusive ideas and you trying to play this whataboutism is pretty pathetic.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on March 08, 2021, 08:27:51 PM
Your examples say that countries should be responsible for themselves.

If I am tossing garbage into the streets why should it be your responsibility to follow me around and clean up for me? It's my responsibility to appropriately dispose of my own garbage, obviously.

People should be responsible for themselves and operate under the same regulation. Your own example says that the US is not responsible for China.
I never said the US is responsible for China.
Why do you keep arguing against a position I am not stating?

I do think counties are responsible for their own mess. I do also think that international cooperation on this issue is a good thing.
These are not contradictory ideas.

And countries who can afford to should probably contribute a bit more to that collective effort. Especially a country who like to think of themselves as the “Best Country in The World”. Shouldn’t you be setting an example?
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on March 08, 2021, 09:04:32 PM
It’s also relevant that some pollution spreads itself past political boundaries, so some of the US’s mess (and China’s and Canada’s; everyone’s) is the the globe’s problem
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Lord Dave on March 08, 2021, 10:23:11 PM
You know what happens when people throw garbage into the streets?
The community pays a bunch of people to drive through and pick it up.  Maybe fine the one throwing it into the street as good measure, telling him to put it next to the street for easy pickup like everyone else.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tumeni on March 08, 2021, 10:28:29 PM
If the person doesn't want to join in then they get fined for littering. That's usually how it works.

Decent folks are already taking care of themselves and their own environment. It would be unfair to extend that responsibility to others when they are already responsible for themselves.

So you accept that the one who does not join in is the bad guy, then? If they get fined .....   Doesn't your America want to be one of the good guys?

Here's the thing; you don't get your "own" environment. We all share it, It's planet-wide. You can't make your sh*t stop at your own border.

Just like the street; once the garbage,whether that's litter, overflowing drains, fallout from fires, etc. hits the (city-owned) street, everyone shares the bill for cleaning it up, through taxes and utility bills. Those who dodge out of this are the bad guys. Is that who you want to be?
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 08, 2021, 11:57:43 PM
The President of the United States can’t even keep 435 viewers watching and sticking around until the end of his speech on the official White House YouTube channel.

(https://i.imgur.com/eQjS1OO.jpg)
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tumeni on March 09, 2021, 12:01:48 AM
The President of the United States can’t even pull 435 viewers on the official White House YouTube channel.

IMG

So what? It could be reasonably argued that gaining social media numbers is not a key indicator of his performance.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Roundy on March 09, 2021, 02:03:55 AM
I just think it's refreshing having a president that isn't obsessed with his own celebrity.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Iceman on March 09, 2021, 02:09:49 AM
I just think it's refreshing having a president that isn't obsessed with his own celebrity.

Definitely true, but we need to start comparing Biden to an actual president. Improving the vaccine acquisition and rollout has been impressive but hes got a lot of work to do.

Anyone who's evaluating Biden on live stream numbers and not a measure of tangible results is missing the point by a wide margin...
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 09, 2021, 03:38:19 AM
In that same event Biden forgot the name of his Secretary of Defense (https://meaww.com/joe-biden-white-house-gaffe-cant-remember-lloyd-austin-secretary-defence-name-in-trouble-that-guy), standing right behind him. He called him 'General', stumbled for his name, came up empty and said:

"The guy who runs that outfit over there."

At least Catturd is capable of being honest with us.

(https://i.ibb.co/9YB0rYt/nNeVepSy.jpg)
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tumeni on March 09, 2021, 06:44:05 AM
In that same event Biden .... stumbled for his name, came up empty and said:

Honestly, all you folks seem to do is come up, second-hand, with stuff that DJT already does or did....

Do we need to mention....  "Rudy? Where's Rudy?" (He was right in front of DJT, opposite him at the table)

EDIT - I missed the one where DJT confused 9/11 with Seven Eleven -

"“I was down there, and I watched our police and our firemen, down on 7-Eleven, down at the World Trade Center, right after it came down. And I saw the greatest people I’ve ever seen in action.” April 18, 2016, speech in Buffalo, New York, misidentifying the 9/11 attacks."

There's more;

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/trump-biggest-fatal-gaffes-mistakes-offensive-214289/



Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on March 09, 2021, 06:54:02 AM
Have you read transcripts of Trump speeches? If you were less biased you’d see them for the rambling nonsense they are.
The standards you judge people by vary greatly depending on whether you like them and their policies or not.
To give an illustration you may understand, you repeatedly point out the splinter in Biden’s eye having spent the last 4 years ignoring the log in Trump’s.

From an outside point of view, Trump was a complete embarrassment to the US. The rest of the world have spent 4 years laughing at you, the UN literally and openly laughed at Trump when he started spouting his bullshit there. It might play well with MAGA idiots, it didn’t work so well with serious people.

The world is mostly relieved that we now have a grown up in the White House again.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Lord Dave on March 09, 2021, 11:43:26 AM
Tom can only project Trump's flaws onto Biden. 
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 09, 2021, 08:21:30 PM
By arguing "but Trump" you are telling us that you believe that Biden is as embarrassing like you believe Trump was. You are saying that Joe Biden is an embarrassment. What kind of defense is that, to argue on the position that Joe Biden is an embarrassing president? Biden is embarrassing independent of anyone and anything else in the world.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on March 09, 2021, 08:36:54 PM
By arguing "but Trump" you are telling us that you believe that Biden is as embarrassing like you believe Trump was
No. Because I don’t believe that someone stumbling over words is in itself embarrassing.

What I’m saying, as I’m sure you understand, is that you constantly apply completely different standards to people depending on whether you like them or their policies.

Trump was an embarrassment not just because of the rambling speeches, but because of the constant lies and the way he conducted himself. The infamous hurricane incident is an example. Trump Tweeted that it was going to hit Texas. The weather service quickly corrected that. Instead of admitting his mistake, like a grown up would have, he appears in the Oval Office with a map showing the cone - which didn’t include Texas - and Texas added in sharpie. I mean, come on! This is not the action of a well man.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 09, 2021, 09:29:54 PM
Biden is not Trump. That is like arguing that is okay for someone to commit murder because you think, rightly or wrongly, that another person committed murder. That is not a valid justification. Anyone who commits murder is still a murderer and Biden is still an embarrassment.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on March 09, 2021, 09:36:42 PM
Biden is not Trump. That is like arguing that is okay for someone to commit murder because you think, rightly or wrongly, that another person committed murder. That is not a valid justification. Anyone who commits murder is still a murderer and Biden is still an embarrassment.

“Biden is an embarrassment because I said so”

Another vapid argument from Tom.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tumeni on March 09, 2021, 09:40:25 PM
By arguing "but Trump" you are telling us that you believe that Biden is as embarrassing like you believe Trump was.

Not what is being argued at all. Nobody is accepting that Biden is as bad as Trump, but I/we are stating that you are trying to imbibe Biden with qualities and acts that Trump has already shown in abundance. That is not acceptance of Biden showing those qualities, that is criticism of you for trying to make the equivalence.

EDIT - Trump surpasses (trumps?) Biden a hundred-fold in the 'national embarassment' stakes, even though I can't see what embarassment we can attribute to Biden.  This is especially apparent to those outwith the USA, in all manner of ways;

the false claim of his inaugural crowd size,
the whiny drone of his malformed run-on sentences,
his ongoing obsession with low-flow toilets and other bathroom fittings,
his callous disregard for human life,
the nepotistic appointment of unqualified daughter and son-in-law to positions within the WH,
the blatant lack of desire to actually carry out the job he was elected to (evidenced, amongst other things, by 300+ days of his term spent at his own golf clubs, mostly on the course), and
his near-total disappearance from public view and presidential activity once he had been voted out.....
etc
etc
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 09, 2021, 09:53:33 PM
By arguing "but Trump" you are telling us that you believe that Biden is as embarrassing like you believe Trump was.

Not what is being argued at all. Nobody is accepting that Biden is as bad as Trump, but I/we are stating that you are trying to imbibe Biden with qualities and acts that Trump has already shown in abundance. That is not acceptance of Biden showing those qualities, that is criticism of you for trying to make the equivalence.

The subject of this thread is not Trump. The subject of this thread is Joe Biden. He's an embarrassment. Trying to talk about other people does nothing to take away from Joe Biden's embarrassing behavior.

Are you next going to justify your pedophile prince with the same tactic?
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Toddler Thork on March 09, 2021, 09:54:36 PM
Are you going next going justify your pedophile prince with the same tactic?
Without a conviction, that's just libel.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tumeni on March 09, 2021, 10:01:39 PM
The subject of this thread is not Trump. The subject of this thread is Joe Biden.


... in which your misplaced accusations against him are being rebutted, a rebuttal which may involve discussion of the previous incumbents' behaviour by point of comparison.

Happy to pick this up in the Trump thread if mods want to move the posts there. I'm easy-going that way.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on March 09, 2021, 10:46:29 PM
By arguing "but Trump" you are telling us that you believe that Biden is as embarrassing like you believe Trump was.

Not what is being argued at all. Nobody is accepting that Biden is as bad as Trump, but I/we are stating that you are trying to imbibe Biden with qualities and acts that Trump has already shown in abundance. That is not acceptance of Biden showing those qualities, that is criticism of you for trying to make the equivalence.

The subject of this thread is not Trump. The subject of this thread is Joe Biden. He's an embarrassment. Trying to talk about other people does nothing to take away from Joe Biden's embarrassing behavior.

It’s pretty shallow to consider a confusion in speech as making someone an embarrassment. Very glad I’ve left middle school behavior like that behind.

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Are you next going to justify your pedophile prince with the same tactic?

Well that was an awkward pivot.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on March 10, 2021, 09:43:02 AM
Biden is still an embarrassment.
This is subjective. All you're doing is stating something as an objective fact when it's simply a subjective opinion.

Personally, I find him much less of an embarrassment than the previous president.
It seems many people agree with me. Biden's approval rating is higher than Trump's ever was:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/

And Biden is preferred outside the US in multiple countries:

https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news-polls/global-views-us-presidential-election
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tumeni on March 10, 2021, 10:24:44 AM
Biden was criticised in the run-up to the election for being 'Sleepy Joe', 'in his basement' and such;

Now in office, his absence from the golf course is actively saving the American taxpayer thousands of dollars each weekend. 

This is not embarassing, this is praiseworthy
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Action80 on March 10, 2021, 12:12:12 PM
I just think it's refreshing having a president that isn't obsessed with his own celebrity.
Since when?
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Action80 on March 10, 2021, 12:14:47 PM
Biden is not Trump. That is like arguing that is okay for someone to commit murder because you think, rightly or wrongly, that another person committed murder. That is not a valid justification. Anyone who commits murder is still a murderer and Biden is still an embarrassment.

“Biden is an embarrassment because I said so”

Another vapid argument from Tom.
Biden is an embarrassment, regardless of what Tom states.

The mental degenerate cannot even hold a news conference.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on March 10, 2021, 12:25:54 PM
Biden is not Trump. That is like arguing that is okay for someone to commit murder because you think, rightly or wrongly, that another person committed murder. That is not a valid justification. Anyone who commits murder is still a murderer and Biden is still an embarrassment.

“Biden is an embarrassment because I said so”

Another vapid argument from Tom.
Biden is an embarrassment, regardless of what Tom states.

The mental degenerate cannot even hold a news conference.

You know he has been doing Q&As with press regularly?  He just hasn't done it in the WH press room.  Did you know that?
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tumeni on March 10, 2021, 12:37:55 PM
Biden is an embarrassment, regardless of what Tom states. The mental degenerate cannot even hold a news conference.

In these times, that is not an embarassment, it's a praiseworthy act. Safety first.

For a "mental degenerate", he performed rather well straight out of the blocks, with a full programme on inauguration day, and not much slacking since.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Dr Van Nostrand on March 10, 2021, 01:27:20 PM
Biden is an embarrassment, regardless of what Tom states. The mental degenerate cannot even hold a news conference.

Lol.....   this has to be an epic troll. Does anyone remember Sharpie gate?

Here are a few highlights from the Trump Administration:


https://youtu.be/9YQdnsWct08
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/07/us/politics/trump-books-four-seasons.html
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/shameful-disturbing-and-an-embarrassment-congress-reacts-to-trumps-press-conference-with-putin-2018-07-16
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-embarrasing-gaffes-speeches-twitter-a9659916.html
https://www.motherjones.com/coronavirus-updates/2020/04/trump-disinfectant-injection-hoax-tweets/


Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Roundy on March 10, 2021, 02:03:08 PM
I just think it's refreshing having a president that isn't obsessed with his own celebrity.
Since when?

Why, since we lost the game show host who used to be our president, obviously.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Снупс on March 10, 2021, 09:08:26 PM
The subject of this thread is not Trump. The subject of this thread is Joe Biden. He's an embarrassment. Trying to talk about other people does nothing to take away from Joe Biden's embarrassing behavior.

...is the Crown Prince of Whataboutism really whining about nonexistent whataboutism? Like, do you understand the concept of bringing up someone's past arguments and defenses to show them inconsistencies with their current argument?

TIM BOSHIP (thread 1): Trump can kill people, that's fine, you guys are being dumb. It's not murder if the president kills someone.
TIM BOSHIP (thread 2): Wow, Biden killed people? He's a murderer, we should lock him up.
RANDO-MAN (thread 2): I don't think you're arguing in good faith, you've previously said presidents killing people isn't murder.
TIM BOSHIP (thread 2): This thread is about Biden, not Trump. Stop pivoting.

People are trying to point out your endless inconsistencies in who and what you'll criticize for what and why. If someone consistently refuses to argue in good faith or ever acknowledge being wrong, what's the point in engaging with them? And, yes, if I get a response I almost expect a "ha ha that why i shouldnt engage with you guys"
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 10, 2021, 09:51:04 PM
Crown Prince of Whataboutism

Nope. You guys are the ones here desperate to try to talk about Trump when Joe Biden embarrasses himself.

It is almost as if you are conceding that Joe Biden is an embarrassment and need to try to hide that fact by accusing someone else of something. It is a pretty pathetic defense if you have to implicitly concede that Joe Biden is an embarrassment in your argument.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tumeni on March 10, 2021, 10:00:57 PM
... need to try to hide that fact by accusing someone else of something.

Nobody "needs" to accuse Trump of anything. It's all out in the open, for all to see how unspeakably bad he was and is.

When you project things that Trump has done to excess onto Biden, there's really no alternative but to discuss what Trump did.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on March 10, 2021, 10:02:00 PM
It is almost as if you are conceding that Joe Biden is an embarrassment

True if you ignore all the times people have said he isn't.  Which I am sure you are keen to do.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on March 10, 2021, 10:03:25 PM
Self awareness is over-rated, to be fair.
What many of us are pointing out is the hypocrisy of you declaring one person “an embarrassment” when you have spent the last 4 years defending everything another person has done, no matter how embarrassing.

And as I said, how embarrassing you find someone is subjective. But I’ve given the data which shows that people in the US and outside are more supportive of Biden than Trump. So, objectively, the data shows that people in general don’t find Biden anywhere near as embarrassing as the previous incumbent.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Снупс on March 10, 2021, 10:06:14 PM
Nope. You guys are the ones here desperate to try to talk about Trump when Joe Biden embarrasses himself.

It is almost as if you are conceding that Joe Biden is an embarrassment and need to try to hide that fact by accusing someone else of something. It is a pretty pathetic defense if you have to implicitly concede that Joe Biden is an embarrassment in your argument.

You're not reading. Use your eyes, my dude. Several people have said his speech gaffes aren't an embarrassment, but that you treat those gaffes as such while you defended Trump for his. The argument isn't "Biden's embarrassing, but so was Trump", it's "why do you consider Biden's gaffes embarrassing but defended Trump's?" It's about your inconsistency. You must be actually ignoring entire sentences and paragraphs of others' posts if you don't understand that.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 10, 2021, 10:23:04 PM
Several people have said his speech gaffes aren't an embarrassment

Why would someone need to justify Biden's behavior if they didn't think it was embarrassing? Whenever you justify a bad or embarrassing behavior you are conceding that it is bad or embarrassing.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Снупс on March 10, 2021, 10:31:20 PM
What? If I don't think it's embarrassing, justifying it doesn't mean I think it's embarrassing. You're trying to be weirdly tautological. Unless you're legit trying to tell me that any time anyone justifies anything (which, quick refresher, means "show or prove to be right or reasonable") that means the thing is bad or embarrassing. So, say, all your justifications for not murdering someone would be irrelevant because justifying it means it's bad or embarrassing.

Because if you're being completely literal with your sentence, I sincerely hope you can see the vapidity of "if we accept his behavior is bad and embarrassing, justifying it means it's bad or embarrassing". I really hope you're not loading the premise that blatantly, because that would be pretty dang bad or embarrassing. (also, if you justify the bad or embarrassing phrasing, you're conceding it's bad or embarrassing, so you're not allowed to defend it I guess)
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on March 10, 2021, 10:40:37 PM
Several people have said his speech gaffes aren't an embarrassment

Why would someone need to justify Biden's behavior if they didn't think it was embarrassing? Whenever you justify a bad or embarrassing behavior you are conceding that it is bad or embarrassing.
Are you doing this deliberately? You're turning into a Life of Brian sketch

Brian: "Please listen to me. I'm not the Messiah, honestly"
Woman: "Only the true Messiah denies his divinity"
Brian: "What?! Well what sort of chance does that give me? Alright! I am the Messiah!"
Crowd: "He is! He is!"

So if we agree with you that Biden is embarrassing then we are conceding the point.
If we don't agree with you and point out why it's not embarrassing then that's us "justifying" it and thus conceding the point that there's something to justify. Are you just trolling now?

I don't think anyone stumbling over words is in itself embarrassing. We all do it. Trump certainly did, if you read transcripts of his speeches it's just a ramble of words.

But finding something embarrassing is subjective. I have shown the data which shows that more people approve of Biden in the US than they ever did Trump. And I've shown data which shows that in multiple countries more people support Biden than Trump - the only counter example in the data I showed was Russia, which might give you pause.

So, overall, it's pretty clear that people don't find Biden embarrassing. You do, it seems. OK. But I doubt we'll see Biden drawing on maps in Sharpie rather than admitting he'd made a mistake or being openly laughed at by the UN when the sort of rhetoric which goes down well with people in MAGA hats didn't play so well to an audience of grown ups.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 11, 2021, 02:49:51 AM
What? If I don't think it's embarrassing, justifying it doesn't mean I think it's embarrassing. You're trying to be weirdly tautological. Unless you're legit trying to tell me that any time anyone justifies anything (which, quick refresher, means "show or prove to be right or reasonable") that means the thing is bad or embarrassing. So, say, all your justifications for not murdering someone would be irrelevant because justifying it means it's bad or embarrassing.

If you were in a position that you had to justify that you didn't murder someone you are conceding that there is a reason for that you needed to justify that. You are conceding that there is evidence that you murdered someone, or that it looks like you murdered someone. No one needs to justify that they didn't murder someone if there was nothing there suggesting that they murdered someone.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on March 11, 2021, 02:52:39 AM
What? If I don't think it's embarrassing, justifying it doesn't mean I think it's embarrassing. You're trying to be weirdly tautological. Unless you're legit trying to tell me that any time anyone justifies anything (which, quick refresher, means "show or prove to be right or reasonable") that means the thing is bad or embarrassing. So, say, all your justifications for not murdering someone would be irrelevant because justifying it means it's bad or embarrassing.

If you were in a position that you had to justify that you didn't murder someone you are conceding that there is a reason for that you needed to justify that. You are conceding that there is evidence that you did, or that it looks like you did. No one needs to justify that they didn't murder someone if there was nothing there suggesting that they murdered someone.

Or the accuser is incorrect.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 11, 2021, 02:59:44 AM
What? If I don't think it's embarrassing, justifying it doesn't mean I think it's embarrassing. You're trying to be weirdly tautological. Unless you're legit trying to tell me that any time anyone justifies anything (which, quick refresher, means "show or prove to be right or reasonable") that means the thing is bad or embarrassing. So, say, all your justifications for not murdering someone would be irrelevant because justifying it means it's bad or embarrassing.

If you were in a position that you had to justify that you didn't murder someone you are conceding that there is a reason for that you needed to justify that. You are conceding that there is evidence that you did, or that it looks like you did. No one needs to justify that they didn't murder someone if there was nothing there suggesting that they murdered someone.

Or the accuser is incorrect.

You guys didn't even argue that your opponents were mistaken about what Biden did. The argument was "But Trump."  ::)
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Roundy on March 11, 2021, 03:07:19 AM
What? If I don't think it's embarrassing, justifying it doesn't mean I think it's embarrassing. You're trying to be weirdly tautological. Unless you're legit trying to tell me that any time anyone justifies anything (which, quick refresher, means "show or prove to be right or reasonable") that means the thing is bad or embarrassing. So, say, all your justifications for not murdering someone would be irrelevant because justifying it means it's bad or embarrassing.

If you were in a position that you had to justify that you didn't murder someone you are conceding that there is a reason for that you needed to justify that. You are conceding that there is evidence that you did, or that it looks like you did. No one needs to justify that they didn't murder someone if there was nothing there suggesting that they murdered someone.

Or the accuser is incorrect.

You guys didn't even argue that your opponents were mistaken about what Biden did.

Sure they did. They told you over and over again that they don't find Biden an embarrassment. They may have compared him to Trump at a point but that was to expose your hypocrisy, not to make an excuse for Biden. That Trump was such an embarrassment is irrelevant to the point that Biden is not.

At this point you're the only one trying to make this about Trump.   ::)

Now back to the top of the circle...
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Снупс on March 11, 2021, 03:27:41 AM
You guys didn't even argue that your opponents were mistaken about what Biden did. The argument was "But Trump."  ::)

Several people have said his speech gaffes aren't an embarrassment, but that you treat those gaffes as such while you defended Trump for his. The argument isn't "Biden's embarrassing, but so was Trump", it's "why do you consider Biden's gaffes embarrassing but defended Trump's?"

That's literally what many of us have been saying. That they aren't embarrassing. Nobody is conceding that. We're asking you why you're inconsistent on this issue depending on who we're talking about. If we can't even trust you to have a standard of logic or morality that you apply to situations, but instead make it up on the spot depending on who the conversation pertains to, what's the point of ever engaging anything you say? It's wild to me you can't seem to answer that. If you have some system of logic or morality you follow, it should be super easy.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 11, 2021, 04:55:50 AM
You guys didn't even argue that your opponents were mistaken about what Biden did.

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That's literally what many of us have been saying.

Where was it argued that I was mistaken about what Biden did?

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That they aren't embarrassing. Nobody is conceding that.

If you guys didn't think that it was embarrassing enough to justify with "But Trump" then you would not have done a "But Trump," as there would be nothing embarrassing to try and justify.

The next time Biden does something embarrassing you will also "But Trump", simply because Joe Biden is an embarrassment and you have no good defense.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Roundy on March 11, 2021, 05:02:11 AM
You guys didn't even argue that your opponents were mistaken about what Biden did.

Quote from: Снупс
That's literally what many of us have been saying.

Where was it argued that I was mistaken about what Biden did?


You were mistaken that anybody you are arguing with finds the things you say are embarrassing about Biden embarrassing about him. And that has been pointed out many times.

I'm starting to worry, I feel like your rhetorical prowess used to be much better. Now you just seem to argue in endless circles, flat-out ignoring even the things that you're responding to. It's gotten sad.  :(
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on March 11, 2021, 08:54:33 AM
If you guys didn't think that it was embarrassing enough to justify with "But Trump" then you would not have done a "But Trump," as there would be nothing embarrassing to try and justify.

Sigh. There are two separate points here. I genuinely can't work out if you really don't understand this or are just pretending not to

Point 1 is - no, I don't find someone making a mistake in a speech or a word slipping their mind embarrassing. I do it, so do you, and so does everyone. And Trump certainly did. Which brings us on to...

Point 2 - why are you declaring Biden embarrassing for doing this when you've spent the last 4 years defending everything Trump has done when he did the exact same thing and many things significantly more embarrassing during his tenure? It's a rhetorical question of course, we know why. It's because the standards you judge someone by depends entirely on whether you agree with them or not.

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The next time Biden does something embarrassing you will also "But Trump", simply because Joe Biden is an embarrassment and you have no good defense.

Well, again, embarrassment is subjective. But yes, the next time you declare something Biden does as embarrassing when there are plenty of examples of Trump doing the same thing which you didn't declare an embarrassment or even defended then we will point out your hypocrisy again.

The way to take out the subjective factor is to look at data across populations. I have supplied that data which shows that Biden is more popular within the US than Trump ever was and that in multiple other countries Biden is significantly more popular than Trump. You may find Biden an embarrassment but many don't.
And if you fancy a bit of introspection you might want to consider why you repeatedly defend one person for doing something and then criticise another person for doing the exact same thing, apparently based entirely on whether you like that person and what they say.
Try to be a bit more objective if you want to be taken seriously.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Shifter on March 11, 2021, 05:32:15 PM
Joe Biden has a speech impediment. His stutters are not something I find embarrassing but inspiring. Honestly for a guy to have that kind of disorder in a judgmental world and spend his entire career in public life, good on him and more power to him

To those that ridicule or make fun of a man who stutters, well you are just scum

I prefer to hear the words out of Bidens mouth then the constant lies, hate, uncouth vile diatribe constantly out of Trumps mouth.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: stack on March 11, 2021, 07:36:21 PM
You guys didn't even argue that your opponents were mistaken about what Biden did.

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That's literally what many of us have been saying.

Where was it argued that I was mistaken about what Biden did?

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That they aren't embarrassing. Nobody is conceding that.

If you guys didn't think that it was embarrassing enough to justify with "But Trump" then you would not have done a "But Trump," as there would be nothing embarrassing to try and justify.

The next time Biden does something embarrassing you will also "But Trump", simply because Joe Biden is an embarrassment and you have no good defense.

It's painfully clear you have simply ignored what anyone has written. And you should be embarrassed.

What basically everyone has been saying over and over again is, "I don't find that embarrassing, period. But holy heck I did find an innumerable amount of embarrassing gaffes, events, statements, etc., with our former President. And as a consequence of your hypocrisy, Tom, why do you find something embarrassing for Biden, but nothing for Trump when there are four years of what anyone would consider embarrassments?"

I mean c'mon, what's more cringe-worthy embarrassing than the leader of the free world begging a State official in Georgia to find 11k+ votes for him? And you think having a stutter and stumbling over a word or forgetting a General's name is "embarrassing"? We obviously have different criteria for the application of the word.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Dr Van Nostrand on March 11, 2021, 10:15:13 PM
I mean c'mon, what's more cringe-worthy embarrassing than the leader of the free world begging a State official in Georgia to find 11k+ votes for him?

How about the leader of the Free World threatening those same state officials because they wouldn't lie for him?

Actually, maybe that's not embarrassing so much as frightening.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 12, 2021, 04:17:12 AM
It's painfully clear you have simply ignored what anyone has written. And you should be embarrassed.

What basically everyone has been saying over and over again is, "I don't find that embarrassing, period."

Actions speak louder than words. If you have to argue "But Trump" you are conceding that your opponent's accusations have merit. No one justifies anything if they didn't think there was merit of the opposite.

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I mean c'mon, what's more cringe-worthy embarrassing than the leader of the free world begging a State official in Georgia to find 11k+ votes for him? And you think having a stutter and stumbling over a word or forgetting a General's name is "embarrassing"? We obviously have different criteria for the application of the word.

If I were arguing this I wouldn't argue "But Biden". That would be conceding that there might be something to be embarrassed about. I would probably call into question your competency in determining context, because it was "There is clearly significant evidence of fraud. You only need to legally establish xx number of votes. You must be either incompetent or compromised because you are not doing your job."
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Roundy on March 12, 2021, 04:19:22 AM
And round and round we go!
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: stack on March 12, 2021, 05:22:10 AM
It's painfully clear you have simply ignored what anyone has written. And you should be embarrassed.

What basically everyone has been saying over and over again is, "I don't find that embarrassing, period."

Actions speak louder than words. If you have to argue "But Trump" you are conceding that your opponent's accusations have merit. No one justifies anything if they didn't think there was merit of the opposite.

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I mean c'mon, what's more cringe-worthy embarrassing than the leader of the free world begging a State official in Georgia to find 11k+ votes for him? And you think having a stutter and stumbling over a word or forgetting a General's name is "embarrassing"? We obviously have different criteria for the application of the word.

If I were arguing this I wouldn't argue "But Biden". That would be conceding that there might be something to be embarrassed about. I would probably call into question your competency in determining context, because it was "There is clearly significant evidence of fraud. You only need to legally establish xx number of votes. You must be either incompetent or compromised because you are not doing your job."

The only reason Trump came up was in pointing out your hypocrisy. That's all. Nothing more, nothing less. 

And you can spare us your lack of competency when it comes to the context that Biden won and Trump lost. That's all. Nothing more, nothing less. 
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tumeni on March 12, 2021, 08:19:12 AM
Actions speak louder than words.

So what? All we have on a forum like this IS words.

If you have to argue "But Trump" you are conceding that your opponent's accusations have merit.

No, this is not a concession, despite you claiming as such
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on March 12, 2021, 09:30:42 AM
If you have to argue "But Trump" you are conceding that your opponent's accusations have merit. No one justifies anything if they didn't think there was merit of the opposite.

Why are you ignoring my post where I clearly explained this? There are two separate points.
The first is that none of us find Biden an embarrassment.
The second "but Trump" point exposes your hypocrisy.

This is not difficult to understand.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 12, 2021, 11:28:03 AM
If you have to argue "But Trump" you are conceding that your opponent's accusations have merit. No one justifies anything if they didn't think there was merit of the opposite.

Why are you ignoring my post where I clearly explained this? There are two separate points.
The first is that none of us find Biden an embarrassment.
The second "but Trump" point exposes your hypocrisy.

This is not difficult to understand.

Me: Biden Bad

You: You are a hypocrite because something about Trump Bad.

In this argument you are accepting the argument that Biden Bad and try to counter it with something about Trump Bad. If Biden Bad had no merit you would have countered that I was wrong about what what he actually said, misinterpreted context, etc. This was not even attempted. You accepted the argument and went directly to Trump Bad.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on March 12, 2021, 11:30:45 AM
Me: Biden Bad

You: You are a hypocrite because something about Trump Bad.
No. Once more for the hard of thinking:

You: Biden Bad

Me: 1) Biden not bad. 2) You are a hypocrite saying Biden Bad when you have spent 4 years saying Trump Good when he does the exact same things and worse.

See? Two separate points. I don't know how to make this clearer.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on March 12, 2021, 11:33:19 AM
If Biden Bad had no merit you would have countered that I was wrong about what what he actually said, misinterpreted context, etc. This was not even attempted.
Liar

By arguing "but Trump" you are telling us that you believe that Biden is as embarrassing like you believe Trump was
No. Because I don’t believe that someone stumbling over words is in itself embarrassing..

And I note you continue to ignore the data I have provided that Biden is more popular than Trump ever was in the US
And that he is more popular than Trump in many foreign countries.

So, OK, you find him embarrassing. We know why. But a lot of people don't.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 12, 2021, 11:43:43 AM
Me: Biden Bad

You: You are a hypocrite because something about Trump Bad.
No. Once more for the hard of thinking:

You: Biden Bad

Me: 1) Biden not bad. 2) You are a hypocrite saying Biden Bad when you have spent 4 years saying Trump Good when he does the exact same things and worse.

See? Two separate points. I don't know how to make this clearer.

The problem is that you should have stopped at 1. In a discussion on Prince Andrew you don't need to justify Prince Andrew's alleged pedophilia by pointing out the famous pedophiles and criminal child abusers you think exist in America and the 'hyprocracy' of criticizing Prince Andrew. That's basically accepting the arguments against Prince Andrew and justifying his criminal behavior.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on March 12, 2021, 11:54:22 AM
Tom keeps using the operator "Yes" + "But" between the first and second points instead of "No" + "And"

1st point: Biden Bad
2nd point: Trump Bad

Tom keeps claiming its being said "Yes Biden bad but Trump bad"

The reality is whats being claimed is "No, Biden not bad and Trump bad"

He obviously is just trolling because its all he has now that its obvious that Trump really did lose and that he isn't getting back in.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on March 12, 2021, 11:58:31 AM
In other news, Biden is well ahead of his stated goal of having 100M vaccinated in 100 days.  At 50 days the USA had over 75M vaccinated.  Nice job, Canada is jealous.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on March 12, 2021, 12:21:37 PM
In a discussion on Prince Andrew you don't need to justify Prince Andrew's alleged pedophilia by pointing out the famous pedophiles and criminal child abusers you think exist in America and the 'hyprocracy' of criticizing Prince Andrew.

OK. Firstly, I don't think there's any debate to be had about whether paedophilia is a bad thing.

But there are still 2 separate points here. Pointing out inconsistency - the way a person criticises Person A for doing something when they have previously not criticised Person B, or even defended them, for doing the same thing - is completely separate from whether you agree with their criticism of Person A.

I can agree with someone's criticisms of Prince Andrew and also question why they didn't criticise, or even defended, Gary Glitter for the same thing (you might need to Google him, not sure if he ever made it in the US). Doing that is NOT a justification of the alleged actions of Prince Andrew.

Or I can disagree with someone's criticisms of Biden and also question why they didn't criticise or even defended Trump for the same thing.

I can say "yes, I agree with you but why were you fine with this other person doing the same thing?"
Or can say "I disagree with you and why were you fine with this other person doing the same thing?"

See? These are two independent points. The latter point does not imply agreement with the first.

Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: garygreen on March 12, 2021, 02:22:49 PM
Whenever you justify a bad or embarrassing behavior you are conceding that it is bad or embarrassing.

i'm glad you agree that trump's loss to biden in the 2020 general was extremely embarrassing
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: HereForResearch on March 16, 2021, 12:35:20 AM
I think he's alright
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Action80 on March 17, 2021, 10:56:05 AM
I mean c'mon, what's more cringe-worthy embarrassing than the leader of the free world begging a State official in Georgia to find 11k+ votes for him?

How about the leader of the Free World threatening those same state officials because they wouldn't lie for him?

Actually, maybe that's not embarrassing so much as frightening.
Actually, there were no threats. Fake news diet can be bad for your reputation.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Action80 on March 19, 2021, 10:43:45 AM
This video clip seems greenscreened, clearly demonstrating such at one prominent point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ml7lhL3yw0
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on March 19, 2021, 11:16:22 AM
This video clip seems greenscreened, clearly demonstrating such at one prominent point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ml7lhL3yw0

Yeah that’s weird.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Action80 on March 19, 2021, 11:57:00 AM
This video clip seems greenscreened, clearly demonstrating such at one prominent point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ml7lhL3yw0

Yeah that’s weird.
Crazy the PTB would allow such a thing to be aired, don't you think.

Whichever consortium (obviously NOT INCLUSIVE of Hairy Legged Uncle Joe) is now in control of the US evidently sees fit to be right out in the open with all of it.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on March 19, 2021, 12:13:35 PM
Crazy the PTB would allow such a thing to be aired, don't you think.

Whichever consortium (obviously NOT INCLUSIVE of Hairy Legged Uncle Joe) is now in control of the US evidently sees fit to be right out in the open with all of it.

After having looked in to a bit, it doesn't really seem obvious it's a green screen.  This guy recreates the effect (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_QQ2xj-nwQ&t).  Combined with other videos and photos from the event, along with the eye witnesses it seems more likely that our ape brains have had a hard time processing visual information.

Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Action80 on March 19, 2021, 12:23:38 PM
Crazy the PTB would allow such a thing to be aired, don't you think.

Whichever consortium (obviously NOT INCLUSIVE of Hairy Legged Uncle Joe) is now in control of the US evidently sees fit to be right out in the open with all of it.

After having looked in to a bit, it doesn't really seem obvious it's a green screen.  This guy recreates the effect (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_QQ2xj-nwQ&t).  Combined with other videos and photos from the event, along with the eye witnesses it seems more likely that our ape brains have had a hard time processing visual information.
What did you look into?

He didn't recreate this parade. He simply showed the original.

The image presented is clearly green screened.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on March 19, 2021, 12:28:59 PM
Crazy the PTB would allow such a thing to be aired, don't you think.

Whichever consortium (obviously NOT INCLUSIVE of Hairy Legged Uncle Joe) is now in control of the US evidently sees fit to be right out in the open with all of it.

After having looked in to a bit, it doesn't really seem obvious it's a green screen.  This guy recreates the effect (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_QQ2xj-nwQ&t).  Combined with other videos and photos from the event, along with the eye witnesses it seems more likely that our ape brains have had a hard time processing visual information.
What did you look into?

He didn't recreate this parade. He simply showed the original.

The image presented is clearly green screened.

No it’s not clearly green screened. The video I linked to shows the same “green screen” effect being recreated. An optical illusion seems very possible and also seems more likely. If you want convince me, I will need more evidence than “hand in front of microphone”.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Action80 on March 19, 2021, 12:36:22 PM
Crazy the PTB would allow such a thing to be aired, don't you think.

Whichever consortium (obviously NOT INCLUSIVE of Hairy Legged Uncle Joe) is now in control of the US evidently sees fit to be right out in the open with all of it.

After having looked in to a bit, it doesn't really seem obvious it's a green screen.  This guy recreates the effect (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_QQ2xj-nwQ&t).  Combined with other videos and photos from the event, along with the eye witnesses it seems more likely that our ape brains have had a hard time processing visual information.
What did you look into?

He didn't recreate this parade. He simply showed the original.

The image presented is clearly green screened.

No it’s not clearly green screened. The video I linked to shows the same “green screen” effect being recreated. An optical illusion seems very possible and also seems more likely. If you want convince me, I will need more evidence than “hand in front of microphone”.
I cannot watch the video you linked.

I posted a video for everyone to see.

You can see the video I posted.

You didn't post anything but a link to what you purport to be a recreation.

The video I posted is a clip from a clearly green screened faked news conference aired by the MSM.

Whether you want to admit or not is of no consequence.

Truth is truth.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on March 19, 2021, 01:01:06 PM
I cannot watch the video you linked.

I posted a video for everyone to see.

You can see the video I posted.

YouTube doesn’t work for you now? Maybe just ask for it to be embedded? I wanted to clean up the post a bit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_QQ2xj-nwQ&t

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You didn't post anything but a link to what you purport to be a recreation.

The video I posted is a green screen news conference aired by the MSM.

You posted a video to what you purport to be a green screen news conference.

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Whether you want to admit or not is of no consequence.

I admitted it looked weird and then did some research. Currently I’ve seen more evidence of an optical illusion than a green screen. Can you explain why a green screen is the only explanation?

Quote
Truth is truth.

Brings a tear to the eye.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Action80 on March 19, 2021, 03:09:54 PM
I cannot watch the video you linked.

I posted a video for everyone to see.

You can see the video I posted.

YouTube doesn’t work for you now? Maybe just ask for it to be embedded? I wanted to clean up the post a bit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_QQ2xj-nwQ&t

Quote
You didn't post anything but a link to what you purport to be a recreation.

The video I posted is a green screen news conference aired by the MSM.

You posted a video to what you purport to be a green screen news conference.

Quote
Whether you want to admit or not is of no consequence.

I admitted it looked weird and then did some research. Currently I’ve seen more evidence of an optical illusion than a green screen. Can you explain why a green screen is the only explanation?

Quote
Truth is truth.

Brings a tear to the eye.
Nice try.

Your video does nothing to address the obvious blurring of the mic sock, nor does it portray the obvious angles found in the original photo op.

Biden was nowhere near to the front of the mic socks present in the shot.

Like I wrote, the PTB are right out front in their made for TV government.

You guys in Canada are really over the top.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on March 19, 2021, 03:38:50 PM
He literally recreates the angles in the press conference. The mic sock has many small hairs so of course it looks blurry. How do you know he wasn’t near the front of the mic socks? Can you post a picture from an angle that allows for better depth perception and shows he was not close to them? The lower angle shot in the video I posted seems to disagree with you. You talking about what you think is credible isn’t evidence and your xenophobia towards Canada doesn’t help either.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Iceman on March 19, 2021, 03:53:06 PM
Bunch of syrup-sucking socialists...
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on March 19, 2021, 04:33:58 PM
He literally recreates the angles in the press conference. The mic sock has many small hairs so of course it looks blurry. How do you know he wasn’t near the front of the mic socks? Can you post a picture from an angle that allows for better depth perception and shows he was not close to them? The lower angle shot in the video I posted seems to disagree with you. You talking about what you think is credible isn’t evidence and your xenophobia towards Canada doesn’t help either.
I don't understand this one. On initial view it looks a bit weird but it's well explained by the other video.
And why on earth would they green screen this? To what end?
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Iceman on March 19, 2021, 04:38:44 PM
And why on earth would they green screen this? To what end?

BeCaUsE bIdEn Is DeAd AnD KaMaLa + AoC aRe RuNnInG tHe CoUnTrY iNtO a SoCiAliSt HeLl

...Or something
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Lord Dave on March 19, 2021, 05:38:14 PM
So I have some issues with the video.

First off: The poster is very biased.  He spent more time talking about Biden's walk, camera editing cuts, and inserting movie clips than he did the actual thing the video is about.  He also insults the man's walk.  Now, that's just petty and really makes me question the validity of the video.

Second:
This actually looked more like an insert than a greenscreen.  The mic goes from foreground to background back to foreground.  Which doesn't make sense unless you are inserting the damn thing into the video to make it look bad.  Third, when Biden's hand goes in front of the fuzzy (and very very blurry) blob, it and his jacket have a dark, black line.  Like someone literally cut it out frame by frame and did it with all the skill and grace of a 5 year old cutting paper.

Third:
The video is low quality: A trick often used to hide editing imperfections when amateures insert things.  Given that the original is likely recorded from a news camera and is not such low quality, it makes me suspecious.

Finally:
That's not how green screens work.
I assume all the press are not really there and its all fake questions by fake voice actors that the MSM, like Fox and CNN, simply took from some other source and used it because otherwise it makes no sense why you would need to.
Then there's the technical level.  To do this you would have a foreground and background layer.  The background would be things behind him and the foreground would be the mics waving about since they should be in front.
So its very odd that they would have ONLY ONE MIC that switches between foreground and background within seconds.  It really doesn't make any sense. 

Honestly, if it wasn't for RAMA's video, I'd have assumed that it was a hoax video made by some no talent dick to make Biden look like he was faking a press conference.  I mean, it probably was, but at least I can be fairly sure he didn't alter the video aside from lowering the quality.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: stack on March 19, 2021, 07:44:30 PM
From the guy weilding the big fuzzy gray mic:

"Steve Herman, the White House correspondent for Voice of America, was the one holding the large fuzzy gray microphone that Biden’s hand appears to go through. On Twitter, he shut down the claims as “nonsense.”

(https://i.imgur.com/n1XQEEV.png)

Alternate angle:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ews6D02WgAQybCo?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)

CGI claim is bullshit.

Additionally, just for reference, old man walking:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tszIXno2Q8
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Dr Van Nostrand on March 19, 2021, 08:30:07 PM
A green screen fake press conference?

The conservative movement in America has been overrun by lizard hunting, pizzagate, conspiracy freaks. Normal conservatives no longer have a voice in this country.

BTW Republicans need to keep their stupid mouths shut about screwed up press conferences.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlieporterfield/2021/02/08/new-documentary-will-detail-the-wild-ride-of-rudy-giulianis-infamous-four-seasons-total-landscaping-press-conference/
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: honk on March 19, 2021, 08:33:37 PM
Are we seriously having a discussion on whether or not Biden is putting out weird green-screen productions instead of just speaking with journalists like normal?
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on March 19, 2021, 08:56:44 PM
Yes. Yes we are.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: stack on March 19, 2021, 09:02:55 PM
Yep. It's remarkable this conversation even exists.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Iceman on March 19, 2021, 09:31:34 PM
I refuse to take this seriously, given the obvious ridiculousnessicity.

 Here are four words:
Wagon
Donut
Bubbles
Sneakers
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Toddler Thork on March 20, 2021, 08:29:08 AM
"Trump is so embarrassing" ... hahahaha!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5Mwc12LtRY

Your President is a complete and utter tool.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tumeni on March 20, 2021, 09:41:45 AM
VID

Your President is a complete and utter tool.

I refuse to take this seriously.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on March 20, 2021, 09:54:08 AM
VID

Your President is a complete and utter tool.

I refuse to take this seriously.

It’s pretty sad that Tom and Thork have only been making fun of him being old. One day they might have something of substance to say.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Lord Dave on March 20, 2021, 11:33:10 AM
VID

Your President is a complete and utter tool.

I refuse to take this seriously.

It’s pretty sad that Tom and Thork have only been making fun of him being old. One day they might have something of substance to say.

Again, projecting.
Trump is younger by only 4 years.  So they're projecting their own concerns and criticism about Trump onto Biden.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 20, 2021, 02:30:33 PM
"Trump is so embarrassing" ... hahahaha!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5Mwc12LtRY

Your President is a complete and utter tool.

Trump could walk up the steps to Air Force One just fine: https://mobile.twitter.com/DanScavino/status/1372964618495213571

I don't know what Biden's problem is. Maybe people shouldn't be voting for a clumsy old fool for president.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tumeni on March 20, 2021, 02:43:39 PM
Trump could walk up the steps to Air Force One just fine: https://mobile.twitter.com/DanScavino/status/1372964618495213571

You DID look at all the comments, and the videos they included, in response to that tweet, didn't you?

You didn't?

Maybe you should.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Dr Van Nostrand on March 20, 2021, 03:03:56 PM
Trump could walk up the steps to Air Force One just fine: https://mobile.twitter.com/DanScavino/status/1372964618495213571

Actually, at 3 seconds into the video, looking closely at the hand railing, there is a blurriness. Obviously, a poorly done green screen.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on March 20, 2021, 03:41:25 PM

Trump could walk up the steps to Air Force One just fine: https://mobile.twitter.com/DanScavino/status/1372964618495213571

He could walk up steps better than he could lead a country.  That's for sure.

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I don't know what Biden's problem is.

He is old.  Old people have trouble walking sometimes.  One day you will too.  Will you treat yourself as shittily?

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Maybe people shouldn't be voting for a clumsy old fool for president.

Then why did you vote for Trump in 2016?
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Shane on March 20, 2021, 06:59:44 PM
I honestly do think Biden has cognitive issues,  but also people trip. Even geniuses trip! Embarrassing,  for sure but I've tripped in front of people before!

And perhaps on his first stumble he hurt himself,  being an old man,  and didn't instantly recover.  Weird!


What I mean to say is,  if you have a problem with him and think he's not "all there", that's fine. But "haha old man slipped" is kinda silly
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on March 20, 2021, 07:01:55 PM
Trump could walk up the steps to Air Force One just fine: https://mobile.twitter.com/DanScavino/status/1372964618495213571

A ringing endorsement.
I definitely think a person’s ability to competently run a country should be judged by their ability to walk up stairs.
Maybe next time the Presidential Debate could be replaced by a stair climbing competition rather than looking at their policies and politics.

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Maybe people shouldn't be voting for a clumsy old fool for president.
Maybe people should vote for someone whose policies they agree with and who they trust rather than looking at trivial bullshit like this.

This is the exact sort of nonsense which you lot have been accusing people of TDS for focusing on.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 20, 2021, 08:29:26 PM
Wrong. Biden's stumbles and clumsiness is being reported all over by the MSM as news:

The Hill - #BREAKING​: President Joe Biden FALLS multiple times while boarding Air Force One (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST9cmttj1kY&ab_channel=TheHill)

NBC News - "Watch: Biden Stumbles As He Boards Air Force One | NBC News NOW" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzb-0reGWTo&ab_channel=NBCNews)

The Guardian - Joe Biden stumbles on steps of Air Force One (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwjmyZUA2O8&ab_channel=GuardianNews)

Bloomberg Politics - Biden Falls Three Times Getting on Air Force One (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf_hteNTIrU&ab_channel=BloombergPolitics)

MSN - Watch: Biden stumbles as he boards Air Force One (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/watch-biden-stumbles-as-he-boards-air-force-one/vi-BB1eLej4)

UK:

Metro.co.uk - Video: Biden stumbles on steps while boarding Air Force One (https://metro.co.uk/video/biden-stumbles-steps-boarding-air-force-one-2380082/)

Telegraph.co.uk - Joe Biden Trips and Stumbles Three Times Boarding Airforce One (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/03/19/joe-biden-trips-stumbles-three-times-boarding-air-force-one/)

-

This is apparently one of the few idiots who can manage to fall UP the stairs.  ::)
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: stack on March 20, 2021, 08:32:55 PM
This is apparently one of the few idiots who can manage to fall UP the stairs.  ::)

Yep, one of the few and the proud. Here's Pence's version. Nice recovery with the pirouette wave at the end.

https://youtu.be/yAJQIlSJ8kQ
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 20, 2021, 08:50:16 PM
Pence didn't really have a reputation for being an aging fool with impaired cognitive abilities.

The Telegraph agrees Biden's tumbles are pretty humiliating:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/03/19/joe-biden-trips-stumbles-three-times-boarding-air-force-one/

"It was the never-before-seen Air Force One triple tumble. And for extra global humiliation Joe Biden managed to do it while going up the stairs.

In one - well, three - moments of imbalance, Mr Biden inflicted more damage on his own presidency than the Mexico border crisis, China, and Vladimir Putin put together.

You could almost hear the cackling echoing around the Kremlin.

What it means is this. America, particularly Democrats, can no longer turn a blind eye to Mr Biden's age."
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on March 20, 2021, 09:09:46 PM
Wrong.

About what exactly? Maybe you also suffer from cognitive impairment?  Did anyone say this wasn’t being reported on?

So do you trust the MSM now? You sure seem to be interested in citing them now they are saying something you like.

Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on March 20, 2021, 09:55:25 PM
Wrong. Biden's stumbles and clumsiness is being reported all over by the MSM as news:
Of course.
He’s the POTUS.

But what am I wrong about, exactly?
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on March 20, 2021, 10:24:09 PM
I honestly do think Biden has cognitive issues,  but also people trip. Even geniuses trip! Embarrassing,  for sure but I've tripped in front of people before!

It’s definitely embarrassing and a gift to his detractors, but it’s a bit sad that we live in an era where everything a person in power does is scrutinised to this degree - that happened to Trump too of course.
If “ability to walk up stairs” is the hallmark of a great President then have to admit Trump is right up there. But is that really how you pick or assess a world leader?

I note that Tom “accidentally” left these bits out of the quotes he took from that article:

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Mr Biden's latest medical report showed no signs of any degenerative disease.

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Despite this, a new poll shows the number of Americans who approve of Mr Biden has grown steadily since he took office, according to Reuters/Ipsos polling released on Friday, driven by concrete steps his administration has taken to address the public health and economic crisis caused by the coronavirus pandemic.

The March 17-18 national opinion poll found that 59 per cent of adults in the US approved of Biden’s overall job performance, while 35 per cent disapproved and 6 per cent said they were not sure.

The number of adults who approve of Mr Biden is up by about 4 percentage points since a poll that ran in late January, and the increase is largely due to a rise in Mr Biden's popularity among independents.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tumeni on March 20, 2021, 10:36:38 PM
Wrong. Biden's stumbles and clumsiness is being reported all over by the MSM as news

So what? They also report funny animal videos. They also reported Trump climbing the same stairs with toilet paper stuck to his shoe. Also, Trump ascending the same stairs with an umbrella, not knowing how to fold it, and simply discarding it for someone else to deal with. Also, Trump falling on the stairs at some campaign event.

3-1 against Trump.

How DO you manage to arrive at a plane, having been taken there in a car, and STILL get out of the car with toilet paper sticking to your shoe? How DO you even manage to exit the toilet, carrying some paper on your shoe?

EDIT - Modified in error, when intention was to quote- restored to original text manually
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 21, 2021, 06:00:28 AM
Wrong. Biden's stumbles and clumsiness is being reported all over by the MSM as news:
But what am I wrong about, exactly?

The world is publicizing and laughing his foolishness, not just us.

Trump could walk up the steps to Air Force One just fine: https://mobile.twitter.com/DanScavino/status/1372964618495213571

You DID look at all the comments, and the videos they included, in response to that tweet, didn't you?

You didn't?

Maybe you should.

I saw this video in the comments. Why do you want to bring it to light?

https://youtu.be/QUu0B7lmQDY
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Снупс on March 21, 2021, 09:18:38 AM
Is "this president fall more than this president" really the level of political discourse we're interested in engaging in?
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tumeni on March 21, 2021, 09:57:37 AM
I saw this video in the comments. Why do you want to bring it to light?

This does not help you to portray Biden in a poor light, not at all. No matter where it was found.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Iceman on March 21, 2021, 12:07:58 PM
 Comparing Joey no pulse tripping up stairs to the orange blowhole's ugly, inflexible golf swing means the arguments have essentially reached the 'my dad could beat up yer dad' level.

Amazing.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: DuncanDoenitz on March 21, 2021, 02:14:08 PM
I tripped on the stairs last week.  I'm 67.  Just thought I'd put it out there. 

"I am Spartacus"!
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tumeni on March 21, 2021, 11:21:43 PM
How DO you manage to arrive at a plane, having been taken there in a car, and STILL get out of the car with toilet paper sticking to your shoe? How DO you even manage to exit the toilet, carrying some paper on your shoe?

...and, let's not forget, this is the man whose supporters were enthusiastically chanting "Toilets! Toilets!" at his rallies.

That's quite a fixation.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on March 21, 2021, 11:32:41 PM
Did you just reply to yourself to add on to your own joke? Why?
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tumeni on March 22, 2021, 08:28:03 AM
Did you just reply to yourself to add on to your own joke? Why?

An afterthought related to my original thought.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Action80 on March 22, 2021, 12:13:05 PM
He literally recreates the angles in the press conference. The mic sock has many small hairs so of course it looks blurry. How do you know he wasn’t near the front of the mic socks? Can you post a picture from an angle that allows for better depth perception and shows he was not close to them? The lower angle shot in the video I posted seems to disagree with you. You talking about what you think is credible isn’t evidence and your xenophobia towards Canada doesn’t help either.
Xenophobia for a country that sees fit to lock up pastors and attack their citizenry in their own homes seems a good stance to take.

The mic sock looks blurry simply because the entire thing was shot in front of a green screen.

Simplest explanation, which you all like to chime so frequently.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Action80 on March 22, 2021, 12:16:56 PM
I'd have assumed that it was a hoax video made by some no talent dick to make Biden look like he was faking a press conference.  I mean, it probably was, but at least I can be fairly sure he didn't alter the video aside from lowering the quality.
Yes, it was all a hoax video.

That is the point.

Made by the no talent dicks occupying NBC, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, and Fox.

And aired by all of them exactly as shown in the video here.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: JSS on March 22, 2021, 12:27:09 PM
He literally recreates the angles in the press conference. The mic sock has many small hairs so of course it looks blurry. How do you know he wasn’t near the front of the mic socks? Can you post a picture from an angle that allows for better depth perception and shows he was not close to them? The lower angle shot in the video I posted seems to disagree with you. You talking about what you think is credible isn’t evidence and your xenophobia towards Canada doesn’t help either.
Xenophobia for a country that sees fit to lock up pastors and attack their citizenry in their own homes seems a good stance to take.

The mic sock looks blurry simply because the entire thing was shot in front of a green screen.

Simplest explanation, which you all like to chime so frequently.

So you think that the simplest explanation is that they shot multiple videos from several angles on a green screen sound stage along with dozens if not hundreds of photographs and audio recordings and then used large amounts of CGI to create Biden walking, talking and interviewing outside and somehow getting dozens of people to agree to lie about being there including the guy holding the mic and the secret service and everyone else involved and all the witnesses and got this all done in record time... instead of just... filming him standing and talking outside.

You really think THAT is the simplest explanation?

Makes me wonder what you imagine a complex conspiracy would involve if this one is so simple. ???
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Action80 on March 22, 2021, 12:30:21 PM
He literally recreates the angles in the press conference. The mic sock has many small hairs so of course it looks blurry. How do you know he wasn’t near the front of the mic socks? Can you post a picture from an angle that allows for better depth perception and shows he was not close to them? The lower angle shot in the video I posted seems to disagree with you. You talking about what you think is credible isn’t evidence and your xenophobia towards Canada doesn’t help either.
Xenophobia for a country that sees fit to lock up pastors and attack their citizenry in their own homes seems a good stance to take.

The mic sock looks blurry simply because the entire thing was shot in front of a green screen.

Simplest explanation, which you all like to chime so frequently.

So you think that the simplest explanation is that they shot multiple videos from several angles on a green screen sound stage along with dozens if not hundreds of photographs and audio recordings and then used large amounts of CGI to create Biden walking, talking and interviewing outside and somehow getting dozens of people to agree to lie about being there including the guy holding the mic and the secret service and everyone else involved and all the witnesses and got this all done in record time... instead of just... filming him standing and talking outside.

You really think THAT is the simplest explanation?

Makes me wonder what you imagine a complex conspiracy would involve if this one is so simple. ???
The MSM are proven liars.

Period.

How many examples do you need?

Of course it is the simplest explanation.

There is no conspiracy here.

They are doing it right out in the open, putting it right in front of everyone's face.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Lord Dave on March 22, 2021, 01:05:32 PM
He literally recreates the angles in the press conference. The mic sock has many small hairs so of course it looks blurry. How do you know he wasn’t near the front of the mic socks? Can you post a picture from an angle that allows for better depth perception and shows he was not close to them? The lower angle shot in the video I posted seems to disagree with you. You talking about what you think is credible isn’t evidence and your xenophobia towards Canada doesn’t help either.
Xenophobia for a country that sees fit to lock up pastors and attack their citizenry in their own homes seems a good stance to take.

The mic sock looks blurry simply because the entire thing was shot in front of a green screen.

Simplest explanation, which you all like to chime so frequently.

So you think that the simplest explanation is that they shot multiple videos from several angles on a green screen sound stage along with dozens if not hundreds of photographs and audio recordings and then used large amounts of CGI to create Biden walking, talking and interviewing outside and somehow getting dozens of people to agree to lie about being there including the guy holding the mic and the secret service and everyone else involved and all the witnesses and got this all done in record time... instead of just... filming him standing and talking outside.

You really think THAT is the simplest explanation?

Makes me wonder what you imagine a complex conspiracy would involve if this one is so simple. ???
The MSM are proven liars.

Period.

How many examples do you need?

Of course it is the simplest explanation.

There is no conspiracy here.

They are doing it right out in the open, putting it right in front of everyone's face.

And their movtive for this one is?  Why greenscreen it?
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on March 22, 2021, 01:10:32 PM
He literally recreates the angles in the press conference. The mic sock has many small hairs so of course it looks blurry. How do you know he wasn’t near the front of the mic socks? Can you post a picture from an angle that allows for better depth perception and shows he was not close to them? The lower angle shot in the video I posted seems to disagree with you. You talking about what you think is credible isn’t evidence and your xenophobia towards Canada doesn’t help either.
Xenophobia for a country that sees fit to lock up pastors and attack their citizenry in their own homes seems a good stance to take.

I’m not sure what specifically you are referring to but the USA has the largest number of imprisoned citizens in the world. They prosecute 6 year olds for picking tulips. So physician heal thyself.

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The mic sock looks blurry simply because the entire thing was shot in front of a green screen.

Simplest explanation, which you all like to chime so frequently.

It’s not simple in the slightest. Don’t mistake an answer that brings comfort to your impotent rage as simple.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: JSS on March 22, 2021, 02:47:40 PM
Of course it is the simplest explanation.

There is no conspiracy here.

Filming Biden in a green screen from multiple angles, hundreds of photographs, a dozen reporters and crew and using CGI to place in a background making it all mach is a much more reasonable assumption than... he just talked to some reporters.

You seriously think THAT is the most reasonable, simplest explanation to a video of someone standing outside talking to people. Why would they even bother?

The conspiracy you are claiming is that dozens of CGI experts, producers, reporters, government officials, travel agents, the secret service, bystanders, witnesses and whoever is paying for it all being in on it.

Just a simple little conspiracy, sure.  ::)

As for lying... you do know Fox News went to court, and won the right to outfight lie to their viewers and order their hosts to knowingly lie as well?
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Action80 on March 22, 2021, 03:25:19 PM
He literally recreates the angles in the press conference. The mic sock has many small hairs so of course it looks blurry. How do you know he wasn’t near the front of the mic socks? Can you post a picture from an angle that allows for better depth perception and shows he was not close to them? The lower angle shot in the video I posted seems to disagree with you. You talking about what you think is credible isn’t evidence and your xenophobia towards Canada doesn’t help either.
Xenophobia for a country that sees fit to lock up pastors and attack their citizenry in their own homes seems a good stance to take.

The mic sock looks blurry simply because the entire thing was shot in front of a green screen.

Simplest explanation, which you all like to chime so frequently.

So you think that the simplest explanation is that they shot multiple videos from several angles on a green screen sound stage along with dozens if not hundreds of photographs and audio recordings and then used large amounts of CGI to create Biden walking, talking and interviewing outside and somehow getting dozens of people to agree to lie about being there including the guy holding the mic and the secret service and everyone else involved and all the witnesses and got this all done in record time... instead of just... filming him standing and talking outside.

You really think THAT is the simplest explanation?

Makes me wonder what you imagine a complex conspiracy would involve if this one is so simple. ???
The MSM are proven liars.

Period.

How many examples do you need?

Of course it is the simplest explanation.

There is no conspiracy here.

They are doing it right out in the open, putting it right in front of everyone's face.

And their movtive for this one is?  Why greenscreen it?
The same motive as they always have.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Action80 on March 22, 2021, 03:28:15 PM
He literally recreates the angles in the press conference. The mic sock has many small hairs so of course it looks blurry. How do you know he wasn’t near the front of the mic socks? Can you post a picture from an angle that allows for better depth perception and shows he was not close to them? The lower angle shot in the video I posted seems to disagree with you. You talking about what you think is credible isn’t evidence and your xenophobia towards Canada doesn’t help either.
Xenophobia for a country that sees fit to lock up pastors and attack their citizenry in their own homes seems a good stance to take.

I’m not sure what specifically you are referring to but the USA has the largest number of imprisoned citizens in the world. They prosecute 6 year olds for picking tulips. So physician heal thyself.
Too late for that.

You are cool with all of it.

You have got what you wanted all along.

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The mic sock looks blurry simply because the entire thing was shot in front of a green screen.

Simplest explanation, which you all like to chime so frequently.

It’s not simple in the slightest. Don’t mistake an answer that brings comfort to your impotent rage as simple.
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Of course it's simple.

All the gaslighting can be dropped off prior to your typing.

Like I wrote, the sky is blue and this is a greenscreened video.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on March 22, 2021, 05:05:49 PM
Too late for that.

You are cool with all of it.

You have got what you wanted all along.

I am cool with what?  I never said I was "cool" with anything.  I said you were xenophobic.  Don't lie.

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Of course it's simple.

All the gaslighting can be dropped off prior to your typing.

Like I wrote, the sky is blue and this is a greenscreened video.

So it's easier to hire reporters to give a Biden stand in, then film Biden responding to that interview, then compositing it, then releasing it and having the fake reporter say it all happened?  That is simpler than actually doing the interview? Perhaps the word "simpler" means something different to you than the rest of us.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 22, 2021, 06:09:59 PM
Wow, Biden isn't even spacing the children and immigrants six feet apart when he makes them sleep on the floor in thermal blankets.

https://youtu.be/xff5mHG2hy8
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Lord Dave on March 22, 2021, 06:12:49 PM

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And their movtive for this one is?  Why greenscreen it?
The same motive as they always have.

Which is?  I really want to know why they needed to greenscreen (and poorly apparently) this interview.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tumeni on March 22, 2021, 06:15:37 PM
Wow, Biden isn't even spacing the children and immigrants six feet apart when he makes them sleep on the floor in thermal blankets.  VID

Wow, Biden has been in office 50 days or so, and someone else was there for the previous four years (1,460 days).


Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Iceman on March 22, 2021, 06:37:05 PM
Wow, Biden isn't even spacing the children and immigrants six feet apart when he makes them sleep on the floor in thermal blankets.

So now that a democrat is in the WH, it's time to support whistleblowers and publicly decry the terrible conditions created at border detention centers?

I just want to know where it's safe to direct my moral outrage according to the current political winds. /s

Seeing kids detained and huddled sleeping on the floor is a travesty. Full stop. Who is to blame?
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Lord Dave on March 22, 2021, 06:41:49 PM
Wow, Biden isn't even spacing the children and immigrants six feet apart when he makes them sleep on the floor in thermal blankets.

So now that a democrat is in the WH, it's time to support whistleblowers and publicly decry the terrible conditions created at border detention centers?

I just want to know where it's safe to direct my moral outrage according to the current political winds. /s

Seeing kids detained and huddled sleeping on the floor is a travesty. Full stop. Who is to blame?

I think you misunderstand.

Tom isn't upset that it happens.  He's upset that Biden didn't say he would do it before doing it.  Trump happily told people he'd make immigrants suffer but Biden hasn't.  Thus, Tom's outrage.  If Biden just comes out and says he hates immigrant children, Tom would be fine.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 22, 2021, 06:47:43 PM
Wow, Biden isn't even spacing the children and immigrants six feet apart when he makes them sleep on the floor in thermal blankets.  VID

Wow, Biden has been in office 50 days or so, and someone else was there for the previous four years (1,460 days).

Biden made drastic changes to immigration. This problem is all on him.

From Jan 20 - https://apnews.com/article/biden-inauguration-joe-biden-mexico-immigration-us-news-8d565946dfdec1f365befdada879023e

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Eager to avoid a rush on the border, Biden aides signaled that it will take time to unwind some of Trump’s border policies, which include making asylum-seekers wait in Mexico for hearings in U.S. immigration court. Homeland Security said that on Thursday it would stop sending asylum-seekers back to Mexico to wait for hearings but that people already returned should stay put for now.

Mar 15 - https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-biden-made-border-crisis/ar-BB1eD3yM

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The Biden-made border crisis

There is a crisis at our southern border, and President Biden’s immigration policies are responsible. Biden has halted border wall construction, released illegal immigrants into our communities, and promised amnesty for millions more. These are disastrous policies that have contributed to the surge in illegal immigration, the spread of COVID-19, and the humanitarian crisis at the border.

Mar 20 - https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/03/a-man-made-disaster-at-the-border/

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What’s happening on the southern border is the most preventable emergency in years. And Joe Biden created it. No matter how often he tells asylum-seekers that now is not the time to enter the United States, migrants won’t listen. That’s because the policies he put into place incentivize the dangerous trek.

Mar 22 - https://www.heritage.org/homeland-security/commentary/yes-its-joe-biden-created-crisis-the-southern-border

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Yes, It’s a Joe Biden-Created “Crisis” at the Southern Border

The crisis at the border is a direct result of the Biden administration’s radical immigration agenda. It has been created for the purposes of increasing immigration to the United States through illegal means. This is part of the left’s agenda to take over elections and get as many illegal aliens as possible voting or on the path to voting. It’s a purely political play at the expense of American sovereignty, security, and well-being.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tumeni on March 22, 2021, 10:12:00 PM
Biden made drastic changes to immigration. This problem is all on him.

Sure. It was all working SO WELL before Biden's inauguration, wasn't it?
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tom Bishop on March 23, 2021, 05:14:59 AM
Now POTATUS is advocating for a return to Trump Immigration Policy

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2021/03/22/wait-what-biden-says-he-wants-to-return-to-trump-border-and-immigration-policy-that-existed-before/

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The question is about the border crisis. “what more can be done sir?”

BIDEN: “A lot more. We are in the process of doing it now. Including making sure that we reestablish what existed before; which was, they should stay in place and make their case from their home countries. Thank you”

Video in link.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on March 23, 2021, 08:59:12 AM
It’s too bad he decided to do that.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Action80 on March 23, 2021, 10:35:31 AM
Too late for that.

You are cool with all of it.

You have got what you wanted all along.

I am cool with what?  I never said I was "cool" with anything.  I said you were xenophobic.  Don't lie.
You are cool with it.

I brought up the pastor being jailed, and rather than condemn that, you wrote, "USA TERRIBLE."

Millions of people want to come to our terrible shithole, whereas no one wants to get close to yours.
So it's easier to hire reporters to give a Biden stand in, then film Biden responding to that interview, then compositing it, then releasing it and having the fake reporter say it all happened?  That is simpler than actually doing the interview? Perhaps the word "simpler" means something different to you than the rest of us.
Yes.

I have a firm grasp on its meaning, whereas you do not.

You can stop referring to yourself as "us," unless of course you have numerous alts, which wouldn't be surprising.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Action80 on March 23, 2021, 10:39:52 AM
Seeing kids detained and huddled sleeping on the floor is a travesty. Full stop. Who is to blame?
Yes, of course. The kids should be kicked outside to find food and shelter on their own.

Never mind the fact they were unaccompanied and being sexually assaulted on the trip here and never mind the medical treatment and meals they are receiving.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: JSS on March 23, 2021, 11:36:08 AM
So it's easier to hire reporters to give a Biden stand in, then film Biden responding to that interview, then compositing it, then releasing it and having the fake reporter say it all happened?  That is simpler than actually doing the interview? Perhaps the word "simpler" means something different to you than the rest of us.
Yes.

I have a firm grasp on its meaning, whereas you do not.

You can stop referring to yourself as "us," unless of course you have numerous alts, which wouldn't be surprising.

He is likely referring to "us" as the group of people here who think that it's not simple to film and photograph an interview from multiple angles and green-screen it all together with a separate group of fake reporters, and it is simple to just stand in front of real reporters and answer questions.

You may think involving dozens of people in a conspiracy to fake an interview for no good reason is simple, many of us do not.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Pete Svarrior on March 23, 2021, 12:00:05 PM
Sure. It was all working SO WELL before Biden's inauguration, wasn't it?
Is "b-but the other guy!!!1!" the best defence of Biden's policy there? I thought this thread was meant to discuss President™️ Joe Biden.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Action80 on March 23, 2021, 12:05:12 PM
So it's easier to hire reporters to give a Biden stand in, then film Biden responding to that interview, then compositing it, then releasing it and having the fake reporter say it all happened?  That is simpler than actually doing the interview? Perhaps the word "simpler" means something different to you than the rest of us.
Yes.

I have a firm grasp on its meaning, whereas you do not.

You can stop referring to yourself as "us," unless of course you have numerous alts, which wouldn't be surprising.

He is likely referring to "us" as the group of people here who think that it's not simple to film and photograph an interview from multiple angles and green-screen it all together with a separate group of fake reporters, and it is simple to just stand in front of real reporters and answer questions.

You may think involving dozens of people in a conspiracy to fake an interview for no good reason is simple, many of us do not.
The reporters were standing in front of him and their mics were in front of him also.

Having seen numerous examples of green screen effects and what happens when it goes wrong leads to the simple conclusion it was all a green screened TV production, aired a lot of the 5 o'clock news feeds.

No conspiracy necessary when they are all complicit.

I realize that doesn't sit too well with you.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on March 23, 2021, 12:21:08 PM
Too late for that.

You are cool with all of it.

You have got what you wanted all along.

I am cool with what?  I never said I was "cool" with anything.  I said you were xenophobic.  Don't lie.
You are cool with it.

I brought up the pastor being jailed, and rather than condemn that, you wrote, "USA TERRIBLE."

That’s a lie. I said I wasn’t aware what you were talking about. I can’t condemn something out of ignorance.

EDIT: Are you talking about this?

https://www.christianlegalfellowship.org/blog/2020/5/25/criminal-charges-dropped-against-toronto-street-preacher

If so, I’m happy the charges were dropped and he probably shouldn’t have been arrested in the first place.

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Millions of people want to come to our terrible shithole, whereas no one wants to get close to yours.

300,000/year is no one? I’m starting to understand how much you struggle day to day.

EDIT: The US let’s in about 850,000/year so hardly millions


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Yes.

I have a firm grasp on its meaning, whereas you do not.

If you think unnecessarily green screening something is simpler than not green screening at all, then you obviously don’t. Even if they were staging a fake presser, it would be simpler to just have them together. I’m sorry that’s difficult for you to grasp.

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You can stop referring to yourself as "us," unless of course you have numerous alts, which wouldn't be surprising.

I suppose I can’t expect you to realize that several people in this thread disagree with you. Shame on me for that.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tumeni on March 23, 2021, 12:21:52 PM
Sure. It was all working SO WELL before Biden's inauguration, wasn't it?
Is "b-but the other guy!!!1!" the best defence of Biden's policy there? I thought this thread was meant to discuss President™️ Joe Biden.

Wouldn't be mentioned had Tom not spent 4+ years espousing the supposed merits of the other guy.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: JSS on March 23, 2021, 12:32:56 PM
So it's easier to hire reporters to give a Biden stand in, then film Biden responding to that interview, then compositing it, then releasing it and having the fake reporter say it all happened?  That is simpler than actually doing the interview? Perhaps the word "simpler" means something different to you than the rest of us.
Yes.

I have a firm grasp on its meaning, whereas you do not.

You can stop referring to yourself as "us," unless of course you have numerous alts, which wouldn't be surprising.

He is likely referring to "us" as the group of people here who think that it's not simple to film and photograph an interview from multiple angles and green-screen it all together with a separate group of fake reporters, and it is simple to just stand in front of real reporters and answer questions.

You may think involving dozens of people in a conspiracy to fake an interview for no good reason is simple, many of us do not.
The reporters were standing in front of him and their mics were in front of him also.

Having seen numerous examples of green screen effects and what happens when it goes wrong leads to the simple conclusion it was all a green screened TV production, aired a lot of the 5 o'clock news feeds.

No conspiracy necessary when they are all complicit.

I realize that doesn't sit too well with you.

Everyone knowingly involved in a conspiracy is complicit, that's what a conspiracy is, a group of people all being in on it. ::)

So let me get this straight, the entirety of your evidence that a press conference filmed from several angles with dozens of reporters and cameramen and witnesses is fake because... you know a green screen when you see it.  Clearly there can be no other simpler explanation because you, the expert on green screens have declared it so.

Sorry, the "rest of us" that don't see conspiracy theories everywhere disagree with you.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Pete Svarrior on March 23, 2021, 01:10:08 PM
Wouldn't be mentioned had Tom not spent 4+ years espousing the supposed merits of the other guy.
So your response to that criticism is also "b-but the other guy!!1!"

Huh.

Given that this thread is about President Joe Biden, and not Trump or Tom, I guess that means you just don't have a line of defence for his policy?
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on March 23, 2021, 02:24:35 PM
Wouldn't be mentioned had Tom not spent 4+ years espousing the supposed merits of the other guy.
So your response to that criticism is also "b-but the other guy!!1!"

Huh.

Given that this thread is about President Joe Biden, and not Trump or Tom, I guess that means you just don't have a line of defence for his policy?

Yeah, I have never expected Biden to be perfect and this is a prime example.  Regardless of intentions there is bound to be a certain amount of inertia in changing these institutions, but the messaging around it makes it seem like he is fine with continuing the isolationist and xenophobic trends in American border policy.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Pete Svarrior on March 23, 2021, 02:31:02 PM
the messaging around it makes it seem like he is fine with continuing the isolationist and xenophobic trends in American border policy.
To be fair, he probably is, and that shouldn't be surprising. It's not like America stopped being a xenophobic country the moment Biden got elected - it's been decades in the making, and is probably not getting undone anytime soon.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Action80 on March 23, 2021, 03:26:28 PM
Too late for that.

You are cool with all of it.

You have got what you wanted all along.

I am cool with what?  I never said I was "cool" with anything.  I said you were xenophobic.  Don't lie.
You are cool with it.

I brought up the pastor being jailed, and rather than condemn that, you wrote, "USA TERRIBLE."

That’s a lie. I said I wasn’t aware what you were talking about. I can’t condemn something out of ignorance.

EDIT: Are you talking about this?

https://www.christianlegalfellowship.org/blog/2020/5/25/criminal-charges-dropped-against-toronto-street-preacher

If so, I’m happy the charges were dropped and he probably shouldn’t have been arrested in the first place.
You essentially wrote, "USA TERRIBLE," and are now trying to back out of it.

As usual.
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Millions of people want to come to our terrible shithole, whereas no one wants to get close to yours.

300,000/year is no one? I’m starting to understand how much you struggle day to day.

EDIT: The US let’s in about 850,000/year so hardly millions
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300,000 no ones going to your country is correct.

Millions want to come to our country and your hero Joe will just let them in. Even people like you.
If you think unnecessarily green screening something is simpler than not green screening at all, then you obviously don’t. Even if they were staging a fake presser, it would be simpler to just have them together. I’m sorry that’s difficult for you to grasp.
Introducing the word "unnecessarily," when it was obviously necessary to do so doesn't help your argument.
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You can stop referring to yourself as "us," unless of course you have numerous alts, which wouldn't be surprising.

I suppose I can’t expect you to realize that several people in this thread disagree with you. Shame on me for that.
I just figured you were either having those recurring delusions of being royalty, took up having a mouse in your pocket, or referring to your alts. I went with the latter.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on March 23, 2021, 04:03:43 PM
You essentially wrote, "USA TERRIBLE," and are now trying to back out of it.

As usual.

I did criticize the USA and haven’t backed down from it once. I also criticized the arrest of that pastor. Amazingly the world is complicated and both those criticisms can coexist. Sorry if that scares you.
300,000 no ones going to your country is correct.

Just taking a random shit on strangers. Weird flex, but ok.

Millions want to come to our country and your hero Joe will just let them in. Even people like you.

No people like me would want to stay in Canada with our higher standard of living, good education and overall happier people, thanks.
Introducing the word "unnecessarily," when it was obviously necessary to do so doesn't help your argument.

It wasn’t obviously necessary to green screen at all. You have a bunch of reporters in on The ConspiracyTM, and a president who is in on it. It would be easier in every way to just put them together, on the Whitehouse lawn and do an interview. Cheaper, faster, requiring less people involved and doing it for real takes away the pesky problem of having to dupe anyone. Unless there is some circumstance that you are privy to? Like did Q tell you he is under house arrest and this is the only way to keep it quiet?

I just figured you were either having those recurring delusions of being royalty, took up having a mouse in your pocket, or referring to your alts. I went with the latter.

Ah so you needlessly complicate everything in your life, not just politics. Makes sense. Well I’m happy I could clear one part up for you.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Lord Dave on March 23, 2021, 04:17:52 PM
So it's easier to hire reporters to give a Biden stand in, then film Biden responding to that interview, then compositing it, then releasing it and having the fake reporter say it all happened?  That is simpler than actually doing the interview? Perhaps the word "simpler" means something different to you than the rest of us.
Yes.

I have a firm grasp on its meaning, whereas you do not.

You can stop referring to yourself as "us," unless of course you have numerous alts, which wouldn't be surprising.

He is likely referring to "us" as the group of people here who think that it's not simple to film and photograph an interview from multiple angles and green-screen it all together with a separate group of fake reporters, and it is simple to just stand in front of real reporters and answer questions.

You may think involving dozens of people in a conspiracy to fake an interview for no good reason is simple, many of us do not.
The reporters were standing in front of him and their mics were in front of him also.

If the mics were real, and Biden was real, how did a mic clip through his hand?  Just curious: can you explain how a green screen works?  Like in detail?  No copy/paste.  In your own words, please.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Action80 on March 24, 2021, 10:30:45 AM
So it's easier to hire reporters to give a Biden stand in, then film Biden responding to that interview, then compositing it, then releasing it and having the fake reporter say it all happened?  That is simpler than actually doing the interview? Perhaps the word "simpler" means something different to you than the rest of us.
Yes.

I have a firm grasp on its meaning, whereas you do not.

You can stop referring to yourself as "us," unless of course you have numerous alts, which wouldn't be surprising.

He is likely referring to "us" as the group of people here who think that it's not simple to film and photograph an interview from multiple angles and green-screen it all together with a separate group of fake reporters, and it is simple to just stand in front of real reporters and answer questions.

You may think involving dozens of people in a conspiracy to fake an interview for no good reason is simple, many of us do not.
The reporters were standing in front of him and their mics were in front of him also.

If the mics were real, and Biden was real, how did a mic clip through his hand?  Just curious: can you explain how a green screen works?  Like in detail?  No copy/paste.  In your own words, please.
In detail? What kind of detail?

The kind you are going to copy/paste to "fact check," my reply?

Look it up yourself.

The entire episode was a green screen production.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Action80 on March 24, 2021, 10:37:40 AM
No people like me would want to stay in Canada with our higher standard of living, good education and overall happier people, thanks.
Introducing the word "unnecessarily," when it was obviously necessary to do so doesn't help your argument.

It wasn’t obviously necessary to green screen at all. You have a bunch of reporters in on The ConspiracyTM, and a president who is in on it. It would be easier in every way to just put them together, on the Whitehouse lawn and do an interview. Cheaper, faster, requiring less people involved and doing it for real takes away the pesky problem of having to dupe anyone. Unless there is some circumstance that you are privy to? Like did Q tell you he is under house arrest and this is the only way to keep it quiet?

I just figured you were either having those recurring delusions of being royalty, took up having a mouse in your pocket, or referring to your alts. I went with the latter.

Ah so you needlessly complicate everything in your life, not just politics. Makes sense. Well I’m happy I could clear one part up for you.
Yeah, keep preaching your BS.
Quality of life in the US - 15
Quality of life in Canada - 21

It was necessary to green screen the presser. If it wasn't then the people putting on the show would not have done it.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on March 24, 2021, 10:51:28 AM
No people like me would want to stay in Canada with our higher standard of living, good education and overall happier people, thanks.
Introducing the word "unnecessarily," when it was obviously necessary to do so doesn't help your argument.

It wasn’t obviously necessary to green screen at all. You have a bunch of reporters in on The ConspiracyTM, and a president who is in on it. It would be easier in every way to just put them together, on the Whitehouse lawn and do an interview. Cheaper, faster, requiring less people involved and doing it for real takes away the pesky problem of having to dupe anyone. Unless there is some circumstance that you are privy to? Like did Q tell you he is under house arrest and this is the only way to keep it quiet?

I just figured you were either having those recurring delusions of being royalty, took up having a mouse in your pocket, or referring to your alts. I went with the latter.

Ah so you needlessly complicate everything in your life, not just politics. Makes sense. Well I’m happy I could clear one part up for you.
Yeah, keep preaching your BS.
Quality of life in the US - 15
Quality of life in Canada - 21

Numbers!

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It was necessary to green screen the presser. If it wasn't then the people putting on the show would not have done it.

So to sum up, it was necessary because it supports the conspiracy you believe in.  Well, not everyone needs critical thinking skills.  I am sure you are good at something else.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Action80 on March 24, 2021, 10:55:23 AM
So to sum up, it was necessary because it supports the conspiracy you believe in.  Well, not everyone needs critical thinking skills.  I am sure you are good at something else.
No, it was necessary because that was the only way it could be aired.

No conspiracy.

Just the MSM continuing the lie.

Amazing, the MSM lies all the time and "us," support it.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on March 24, 2021, 10:58:02 AM
So to sum up, it was necessary because it supports the conspiracy you believe in.  Well, not everyone needs critical thinking skills.  I am sure you are good at something else.
No, it was necessary because that was the only way it could be aired.

The ONLY way.  That's right.  ONLY.

Quote
No conspiracy.

Definition of conspiracy.

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Just the MSM continuing the lie.

Which lie?  Is Biden not real? 

Quote
Amazing, the MSM lies all the time and "us," support it.

Obviously it's just you and a select few others that "have your eyes open".  It has nothing to do with delusion.  Nothin at all.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Action80 on March 24, 2021, 12:28:28 PM
So to sum up, it was necessary because it supports the conspiracy you believe in.  Well, not everyone needs critical thinking skills.  I am sure you are good at something else.
No, it was necessary because that was the only way it could be aired.

The ONLY way.  That's right.  ONLY.

Quote
No conspiracy.

Definition of conspiracy.

Quote
Just the MSM continuing the lie.

Which lie?  Is Biden not real? 

Quote
Amazing, the MSM lies all the time and "us," support it.

Obviously it's just you and a select few others that "have your eyes open".  It has nothing to do with delusion.  Nothin at all.
Like I wrote.

A proven liar supporting other proven liars.

"Tell a lie often enough and they will eventually believe it."
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on March 24, 2021, 12:29:47 PM
You lied about what I have said, so then you are a proven liar supporting a proven liar!  Take that... BARRY GOLDWATER!

*Tears off his mask*
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Lord Dave on March 24, 2021, 01:14:50 PM
So it's easier to hire reporters to give a Biden stand in, then film Biden responding to that interview, then compositing it, then releasing it and having the fake reporter say it all happened?  That is simpler than actually doing the interview? Perhaps the word "simpler" means something different to you than the rest of us.
Yes.

I have a firm grasp on its meaning, whereas you do not.

You can stop referring to yourself as "us," unless of course you have numerous alts, which wouldn't be surprising.

He is likely referring to "us" as the group of people here who think that it's not simple to film and photograph an interview from multiple angles and green-screen it all together with a separate group of fake reporters, and it is simple to just stand in front of real reporters and answer questions.

You may think involving dozens of people in a conspiracy to fake an interview for no good reason is simple, many of us do not.
The reporters were standing in front of him and their mics were in front of him also.

If the mics were real, and Biden was real, how did a mic clip through his hand?  Just curious: can you explain how a green screen works?  Like in detail?  No copy/paste.  In your own words, please.
In detail? What kind of detail?

The kind you are going to copy/paste to "fact check," my reply?

Look it up yourself.

The entire episode was a green screen production.

Considering I've done both student and professional green screen setups for several years... I'm not the one who needs to know.  But good to know that you don't know.  Its very lol knowing you think the fuzzy mic, which you claim was really in front of biden, got green screened out by biden's hand and not the background being inserted. XD

You're so dumb.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: stack on March 24, 2021, 02:04:40 PM
So to sum up, it was necessary because it supports the conspiracy you believe in.  Well, not everyone needs critical thinking skills.  I am sure you are good at something else.
No, it was necessary because that was the only way it could be aired.

Yep, absolutely the only way...

(https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2021/03/captain-disiluusion.jpg)
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: JSS on March 24, 2021, 03:11:07 PM
Like I wrote.

A proven liar supporting other proven liars.

"Tell a lie often enough and they will eventually believe it."

What lie is this? You still haven't given a reason why anyone would go to the trouble of faking a simple talk with reporters on a lawn.

Please fill us all in, what lie is that covering up?  So far your only reasoning is that it must be a lie because they are all liars, which is circular reasoning at best.

Why would they spend all the time and money and involve dozens of people in a conspiracy, instead of just having Biden talk to some reporters?  What is the point in your conspiracy here?
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Action80 on March 24, 2021, 03:32:02 PM
Seeing kids detained and huddled sleeping on the floor is a travesty. Full stop. Who is to blame?
Yes, of course. The kids should be kicked outside to find food and shelter on their own.

Never mind the fact they were unaccompanied and being sexually assaulted on the trip here and never mind the medical treatment and meals they are receiving.
Still waiting for the "us" liberals to reply to this.

I realize that wait will be rather long.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: junker on March 24, 2021, 04:04:26 PM
You're so dumb.

Don't do this.

Reminder to everyone participating in the thread to keep it civil. Also, feel free to actually discuss the Biden administration and its policies, aka things that matter a bit more than falling down or green screen conspiracies...
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Iceman on March 30, 2021, 09:47:14 PM
Damnit, Joe - it's supposed to be America's gameTM and you can't even go out and throw the first pitch?*

https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/2143999

*Inb4 the claims of poor health and puppet president
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Lord Dave on March 31, 2021, 04:37:57 AM
Damnit, Joe - it's supposed to be America's gameTM and you can't even go out and throw the first pitch?*

https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/2143999

*Inb4 the claims of poor health and puppet president

I'm 37 and wouldn't do it.  Would be an embarassment.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Lord Dave on April 01, 2021, 02:06:36 PM
From NPR News
Biden Unveils What He Calls A 'Once-In-A-Generation' Infrastructure Proposal https://www.npr.org/2021/03/31/982666869/watch-live-president-biden-unveils-2-trillion-infrastructure-plan?sc=18&f=1001


So while I'm all for alot of it, I think the bit about electric cars can be taken out.  That should be a separate bill.  You can't promite e-cars until you fix your power grid. 
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: crutonius on April 01, 2021, 03:46:35 PM
From NPR News
Biden Unveils What He Calls A 'Once-In-A-Generation' Infrastructure Proposal https://www.npr.org/2021/03/31/982666869/watch-live-president-biden-unveils-2-trillion-infrastructure-plan?sc=18&f=1001


So while I'm all for alot of it, I think the bit about electric cars can be taken out.  That should be a separate bill.  You can't promite e-cars until you fix your power grid.

I recall reading that upgrading the grid is part of it.  Maybe I misread that though.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tom Bishop on April 01, 2021, 04:38:37 PM
President Joe Biden thinks it is appropriate to make some migrants sleep on a dirt floor under a bridge. Terrible. - https://mobile.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1377624299427729409
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on April 01, 2021, 05:04:03 PM
Holy shit, are we going to have 4 years of this BDS?

inb4 someone says "no, Kamala will take over in 6 months"
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: garygreen on April 01, 2021, 05:05:17 PM
no, kamala will take over in 6 months
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: WTF_Seriously on April 01, 2021, 05:15:46 PM
Holy shit, are we going to have 4 years of this BDS?

Nope.  Trump's back in in August.  Mike Lindell says so.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tumeni on April 01, 2021, 05:31:14 PM
President Joe Biden thinks it is appropriate to make some migrants sleep on a dirt floor under a bridge. Terrible. - https://mobile.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1377624299427729409

There's nothing there that tweet that says Biden "thinks it is appropriate" ...
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tom Bishop on April 01, 2021, 05:39:26 PM
President Joe Biden thinks it is appropriate to make some migrants sleep on a dirt floor under a bridge. Terrible. - https://mobile.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1377624299427729409

There's nothing there that tweet that says Biden "thinks it is appropriate" ...

So Biden is doing what is not appropriate? That is much worse.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on April 01, 2021, 06:14:58 PM
From NPR News
Biden Unveils What He Calls A 'Once-In-A-Generation' Infrastructure Proposal https://www.npr.org/2021/03/31/982666869/watch-live-president-biden-unveils-2-trillion-infrastructure-plan?sc=18&f=1001


So while I'm all for alot of it, I think the bit about electric cars can be taken out.  That should be a separate bill.  You can't promite e-cars until you fix your power grid.

Isn’t it just Texas’ power grid that’s screwed?
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Lord Dave on April 01, 2021, 07:29:29 PM
From NPR News
Biden Unveils What He Calls A 'Once-In-A-Generation' Infrastructure Proposal https://www.npr.org/2021/03/31/982666869/watch-live-president-biden-unveils-2-trillion-infrastructure-plan?sc=18&f=1001


So while I'm all for alot of it, I think the bit about electric cars can be taken out.  That should be a separate bill.  You can't promite e-cars until you fix your power grid.

Isn’t it just Texas’ power grid that’s screwed?

Sadly, no.
Texas's power grid is just not able to handle the cold.  But like it, most of the US power grid is 70-90 years old.  Its expensive to upgrade and frankly, no one wants to pay for it if it works.  Its a mess and a half of grids, patches, random routing, etc...

ex: Your street could lose power from a tree branch busting up a line but the corner house has power.  Why?  Because there is no method for routing power in a different pattern. 
Ex 2: Solar panels on homes can put power back into the power grid.  The power grid is not designed for this and it causes some problems when too many people do this.

The grid needs a major update.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tumeni on April 01, 2021, 08:42:03 PM
So Biden is doing what is not appropriate? That is much worse.

Is there any evidence of any affirmative action by Biden which has specifically caused these events? What do you reckon Biden is "doing" here?

Would it do any good to suggest that, with the best will in the world, undoing what The Former Guy did in his four years might, just might, take a bit longer than the 60 or so days Biden has had in office thus far....?
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Iceman on April 01, 2021, 09:19:23 PM
Ooh look, progress!

I'm definitely generally pro-resource development, but this is an important step.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/epa-trump-experts-removed-b1825226.html

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Lord Dave on April 01, 2021, 10:35:32 PM
So Biden is doing what is not appropriate? That is much worse.

Is there any evidence of any affirmative action by Biden which has specifically caused these events? What do you reckon Biden is "doing" here?

Would it do any good to suggest that, with the best will in the world, undoing what The Former Guy did in his four years might, just might, take a bit longer than the 60 or so days Biden has had in office thus far....?

Better question: why is Tom against it?  If it was good for Trump and Biden is doing it, Tom should be praising Biden.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Снупс on April 02, 2021, 02:26:02 AM
I assume he's trying to say "y'all are hypocrites, Biden does same as Trump", which is ironic since he failed so hard to understand that when we were saying the same to him. Also, I think most of us are actually willing to criticize Biden. If he has any part of that, that's shitty af.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Lord Dave on April 02, 2021, 07:00:47 AM
I assume he's trying to say "y'all are hypocrites, Biden does same as Trump", which is ironic since he failed so hard to understand that when we were saying the same to him. Also, I think most of us are actually willing to criticize Biden. If he has any part of that, that's shitty af.

Agreed. 
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on April 02, 2021, 07:39:51 AM
Unfortunately politics is so divisive these days. Too many people see things in complete black and white. Trump is GOOD, Biden is BAD (or the other way around, depending on how you vote).
So EVERYTHING Trump does is good and to be defended no matter how crass, embarrassing or demonstrably false. And EVERYTHING Biden does is bad.

It’s a pretty pathetic and simplistic way of looking at the world but it’s worryingly prevalent.

It’s no better over here. The quality of debate over Brexit was lamentably poor.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tom Bishop on April 04, 2021, 04:48:47 AM
It’s a pretty pathetic and simplistic way of looking at the world

Sounds more like the self realization and admission of wrongness from someone who has spent years here ranting and repeating the leftist tripe against Trump.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tumeni on April 04, 2021, 12:27:59 PM
Sounds more like the self realization and admission of wrongness from someone who has spent years here ranting and repeating the leftist tripe against Trump.

Sounds like the misplaced defiance of someone who has been led astray by the right-ist tripe that surrounded The Former Guy ...



Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Roundy on April 04, 2021, 05:56:53 PM
Tom needn't worry. Mike Lindell says Trump will be president again in August and if anyone seems to know what he's talking about it's that guy.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: garygreen on April 04, 2021, 09:54:34 PM
nb4 kamala vetoes https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/03/schumer-senate-marijuana-legalization-478963
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Lord Dave on April 04, 2021, 10:42:24 PM
nb4 kamala vetoes https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/03/schumer-senate-marijuana-legalization-478963


Good.
While I personally hate the drug, I for one can't say "Marijuana is bad but drink as much alcohol as you want.".
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Iceman on April 04, 2021, 10:55:50 PM
The arguments against legalization are getting less and less significant all the time.

Especially now as governments are going to be trying to work themselves out of the red after spending like crazy to provide covid relief. A fre hundred million dollars in new tax revenue for every ~15-20M people is an easy way to ease some of the upcoming fiscal stress.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Снупс on April 05, 2021, 08:56:57 PM
nb4 kamala vetoes

Didn't she sponsor a bill supporting legalization not that long ago?
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: garygreen on April 05, 2021, 09:11:54 PM
nb4 kamala vetoes

Didn't she sponsor a bill supporting legalization not that long ago?

she used to be on the legalization train, but now she's (possibly, according to an unnamed aide) falling in step with joe "needs more research" biden.

https://www.bloombergquint.com/onweb/big-pot-tries-to-stop-patrick-kennedy-from-becoming-drug-czar

mostly i just assume that the dnc will figure out some way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Roundy on May 04, 2021, 11:48:54 PM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/05/04/echoing-trump-biden-sends-letter-stimulus-check-recipients/4929873001/

  ::)

Just as lame and self-serving as when Trump did it. I fucking cringed when I saw this letter in the mail.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on May 05, 2021, 12:07:19 AM
Politicians and narcissism is pretty iconic.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Roundy on May 05, 2021, 12:43:05 AM
Politicians and narcissism is pretty iconic.

And after all the backlash against Trump by the media for (essentially) the same thing; I got the letter days ago and this is the first story I've seen about it. But there's no media bias oh no.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Iceman on May 05, 2021, 01:08:28 AM
Yeah, sitting politicians should notttt be able to use their office and public funds to essentially advertise their own platforms.

Just do things that people will talk about. That's your job. The advertising and promotional side should take care of itself. Biden bucks and trump cheques is all some next level bullshit. Give the people their money and then get back to work.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Lord Dave on May 05, 2021, 04:34:07 AM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/05/04/echoing-trump-biden-sends-letter-stimulus-check-recipients/4929873001/

  ::)

Just as lame and self-serving as when Trump did it. I fucking cringed when I saw this letter in the mail.

I mean, I agree you need a letter to say "yes, we sent you a check.  You got it, right?  If not call this number."

But the IRS should send it.  Biden should have stayed far away.  If he wanted to speak optimistically, he can hold a press conference.  Ugh....
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: honk on May 05, 2021, 08:22:59 PM
I think there's an appreciable difference between the president including a self-congratulatory letter with the check and insisting that his own signature be on the check itself. The letter is ethically dubious, but putting Trump's signature directly onto the checks as if he was personally paying for the bailouts was fundamentally dishonest.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Pete Svarrior on May 05, 2021, 08:26:55 PM
I think there's an appreciable difference between the president including a self-congratulatory letter with the check and insisting that his own signature be on the check itself. The letter is ethically dubious, but putting Trump's signature directly onto the checks as if he was personally paying for the bailouts was fundamentally dishonest.
Could you elaborate on that? I fail to see the difference - both carry the exact same implication, and were done with the same intention. The main difference, it seems, is that orange man bad. Other than that, we only have the small difference of Trump trying to get his name on the cheques, and Biden trying to publicly announce how much he doesn't want his name on the cheques because he's so much better and purer than Trump.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Roundy on May 06, 2021, 01:33:55 AM
I think there's an appreciable difference between the president including a self-congratulatory letter with the check and insisting that his own signature be on the check itself.

I don't.  It's a negligible margin at best. It might expose Trump as more of a narcissist, but there's nothing inherently "wronger" about it.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Iceman on May 06, 2021, 01:40:27 AM
Yep, Trump's signature put the cherry on top, but both moves are shite sammiches still.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: honk on May 06, 2021, 04:42:23 AM
Could you elaborate on that? I fail to see the difference - both carry the exact same implication, and were done with the same intention. The main difference, it seems, is that orange man bad. Other than that, we only have the small difference of Trump trying to get his name on the cheques, and Biden trying to publicly announce how much he doesn't want his name on the cheques because he's so much better and purer than Trump.

Biden's letter contains information that is clear, correct, and relevant, but inappropriate to include in that context. Trump's signature, however, doesn't communicate any information, and so feels manipulative, like a psychological trick to try and make people associate their check with Trump without actually making a logical case for why Trump deserves credit for the check. To put it another way, both presidents took advantage of sending out these checks for their own political gain, but Biden was upfront about it while Trump did it in an underhanded way.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on May 06, 2021, 09:30:22 AM
A signature is very upfront I’m not sure how you could think otherwise. If anything, hiding your self-congratulations in a message relating to other matters is more under-handed. I don’t think either is particularly under-handed. The signature was always just funny because I can imagine Trump literally taking credit as of those were cheques from his personal account rather than a redistribution of public wealth.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Roundy on May 06, 2021, 12:37:54 PM
Could you elaborate on that? I fail to see the difference - both carry the exact same implication, and were done with the same intention. The main difference, it seems, is that orange man bad. Other than that, we only have the small difference of Trump trying to get his name on the cheques, and Biden trying to publicly announce how much he doesn't want his name on the cheques because he's so much better and purer than Trump.

Biden's letter contains information that is clear, correct, and relevant, but inappropriate to include in that context. Trump's signature, however, doesn't communicate any information, and so feels manipulative, like a psychological trick to try and make people associate their check with Trump without actually making a logical case for why Trump deserves credit for the check. To put it another way, both presidents took advantage of sending out these checks for their own political gain, but Biden was upfront about it while Trump did it in an underhanded way.

In both cases the President is saying, "Hey, look what I did for you!" This is precisely what the media excoriated Trump for, and it's also precisely what Biden's letter is meant to accomplish. I feel like you are performing some Tom Bishop level feats of mental gymnastics to justify it (or even say "It's not that bad, guys") in Biden's case.

In fact, is it the case that Trump didn't send self-congratulatory letters as well? I didn't remember that, but if so what Biden did may actually be objectively worse! I, like most people, never received a paper stimulus check. I got that letter though!
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: junker on May 06, 2021, 02:43:26 PM
I liked Trump's better because I actually got one from Trump. No Biden bux for me.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Pete Svarrior on May 06, 2021, 04:38:31 PM
Biden's letter contains information that is clear, correct, and relevant, but inappropriate to include in that context.
Whether you consider "wow look at how cool I am!" to be clear, correct, or relevant is very subjective.

Trump's signature, however, doesn't communicate any information, and so feels manipulative, like a psychological trick to try and make people associate their check with Trump without actually making a logical case for why Trump deserves credit for the check.
Right, so we're discussing your feelings. Fair enough. Can you explain why it "feels" that way?

To put it another way, both presidents took advantage of sending out these checks for their own political gain, but Biden was upfront about it while Trump did it in an underhanded way.
Really? What's more "upfront" about writing a letter and grandstanding about how it's totally cool that you didn't try to put your signature on the cheques for political gain, versus trying to put your signature on the cheques for political gain? If anything, the former adds a step to the process, making it less straight-forward.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: honk on May 08, 2021, 12:51:29 AM
If the letter shown in this article (https://www.13newsnow.com/article/news/verify/national-verify/biden-mailed-letter-stimulus-payment-recipients-real/536-ae1833cb-2d8e-463c-82ad-446655051f52) is accurate, then describing it as "wow look at how cool I am!" or "a message relating to other matters" simply isn't a fair description. It's a direct, straightforward attempt at taking credit for the money being sent to Americans as part of the American Rescue Plan, which Biden did sign into law. It's inappropriate for inclusion in government relief, but is otherwise entirely typical politicking.

Regarding Trump, his name being directly on the checks was essentially designed to cut out the middleman of the government in people's minds. The message is less "the government is sending me money, thanks to Trump," and more "Trump is sending me money." When we receive a check, we generally expect to see the name of the person who's paying us money on it. By putting his name on the checks, Trump was trying to imply - not state outright, because that would be a ridiculous lie he'd quickly be called out on, but imply - that the money was coming from him personally. Even though virtually nobody would actually think to themselves, "Yes, Trump himself is sending me money from his personal bank account," people would still automatically associate Trump's signature with him being very generous with his own money, without explicitly spelling it out to themselves.

I definitely agree that Biden's letter is especially pathetic in light of his administration having made a point of stressing that he wouldn't be doing anything as egotistical as putting his signature on the checks, which I hadn't known about before this discussion. Bragging about their humility could only have been appropriately followed up with the most humble government in bailout in history, which this certainly was not. Really, the Biden Administration should just stop comparing itself to its predecessor altogether. It's such a low bar.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: J-Man on May 10, 2021, 01:48:35 AM
As the audit continues in AZ, we now know Biden stole all the battle ground states and in fact lost the election to Trump. Regardless, sleepy Joe won't make it to the end of term and probably end of year as his dementia is really kicking in. Joe ain't my President, Obama in the basement is...LMAO  What a train wreak !!!
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Iceman on May 10, 2021, 03:02:23 AM
That post wrecked havoc on my eyes and brain.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tumeni on May 10, 2021, 06:38:15 AM
As the audit continues in AZ, we now know Biden stole all the battle ground states and in fact lost the election to Trump. Regardless, sleepy Joe won't make it to the end of term and probably end of year as his dementia is really kicking in. Joe ain't my President, Obama in the basement is...LMAO  What a train wreak !!!

Why should we trust the audit?

The main auditor appears to be someone who has never audited an election before now, and whose CEO is a rabid conspiracy theorist.

https://slate.com/technology/2021/05/arizona-recount-cyber-ninjas-doug-logan-explained.html

Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on May 10, 2021, 12:08:54 PM
As the audit continues in AZ, we now know Biden stole all the battle ground states and in fact lost the election to Trump. Regardless, sleepy Joe won't make it to the end of term and probably end of year as his dementia is really kicking in. Joe ain't my President, Obama in the basement is...LMAO  What a train wreak !!!

Why should we trust the audit?

The main auditor appears to be someone who has never audited an election before now, and whose CEO is a rabid conspiracy theorist.

https://slate.com/technology/2021/05/arizona-recount-cyber-ninjas-doug-logan-explained.html

Put it back in your pants. The audit is moving at a snail’s pace and hasn’t reported anything.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Lord Dave on May 10, 2021, 08:31:42 PM
https://www.npr.org/2021/05/10/995518597/americans-will-lose-unemployment-benefits-if-they-turn-down-jobs-biden-says

So let this sink in:
The jobs report was lower than expected.  The reason being that employers are finding it hard to find workers. (So labor shortage)
The republicans are arguing that the stimulus bills are the cause of this; That people make more on unemployment than they do working.  Which is probably true for alot of jobs like waite staff and baristas.

So republicans are saying "These jobs suck and it's Biden's fault for giving you a better option!"
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Iceman on May 10, 2021, 09:40:43 PM
The free market is great for CEO's until they're forced to compete for labor. Seeing the product of ridiculous lack of wage growth compared to productivity and it's a little bit hilarious.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on May 11, 2021, 12:04:34 AM
RI gHt tO wORk!
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Action80 on May 11, 2021, 10:24:55 AM
https://www.npr.org/2021/05/10/995518597/americans-will-lose-unemployment-benefits-if-they-turn-down-jobs-biden-says

So let this sink in:
The jobs report was lower than expected.  The reason being that employers are finding it hard to find workers. (So labor shortage)
The republicans are arguing that the stimulus bills are the cause of this; That people make more on unemployment than they do working.  Which is probably true for alot of jobs like waite staff and baristas.

So republicans are saying "These jobs suck and it's Biden's fault for giving you a better option!"
When a couple can make twice the median income by not working, why work?

Labor shortage is not an accurate descriptor.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Lord Dave on May 11, 2021, 10:34:10 AM
https://www.npr.org/2021/05/10/995518597/americans-will-lose-unemployment-benefits-if-they-turn-down-jobs-biden-says

So let this sink in:
The jobs report was lower than expected.  The reason being that employers are finding it hard to find workers. (So labor shortage)
The republicans are arguing that the stimulus bills are the cause of this; That people make more on unemployment than they do working.  Which is probably true for alot of jobs like waite staff and baristas.

So republicans are saying "These jobs suck and it's Biden's fault for giving you a better option!"
When a couple can make twice the median income by not working, why work?

Labor shortage is not an accurate descriptor.

How about :Shit pay keeps all but illegals from wanting to work?
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Action80 on May 11, 2021, 11:55:19 AM
https://www.npr.org/2021/05/10/995518597/americans-will-lose-unemployment-benefits-if-they-turn-down-jobs-biden-says

So let this sink in:
The jobs report was lower than expected.  The reason being that employers are finding it hard to find workers. (So labor shortage)
The republicans are arguing that the stimulus bills are the cause of this; That people make more on unemployment than they do working.  Which is probably true for alot of jobs like waite staff and baristas.

So republicans are saying "These jobs suck and it's Biden's fault for giving you a better option!"
When a couple can make twice the median income by not working, why work?

Labor shortage is not an accurate descriptor.

How about :Shit pay keeps all but illegals from wanting to work?
Everyone wants to be pampered is more accurate.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Iceman on May 11, 2021, 12:20:10 PM
Everyone wants to be pampered thinks they deserve a living wage is more accurate.
FTFY

Why would anyone with a kid go back to work to make a couple hundred bucks more a month, but then have to pay hundreds more for childcare, when they could stay at home, make more net income and spend time with their family? The fact that people are spinning this as 'lazy workers' instead of 'corporate greed and an unlivable minimum wage' is kind of amazing to watch
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on May 11, 2021, 12:44:38 PM
Everyone wants to be pampered thinks they deserve a living wage is more accurate.
FTFY

Why would anyone with a kid go back to work to make a couple hundred bucks more a month, but then have to pay hundreds more for childcare, when they could stay at home, make more net income and spend time with their family? The fact that people are spinning this as 'lazy workers' instead of 'corporate greed and an unlivable minimum wage' is kind of amazing to watch

It’s the classic Conservative trope and the sad part is that the biggest supporters of that narrative are some of the people who would benefit most from a living wage. It would also reduce dependence on government assistance, improve the economy and help balance government budgets.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Action80 on May 11, 2021, 12:50:14 PM
Everyone wants to be pampered thinks they deserve a living wage is more accurate.
FTFY

Why would anyone with a kid go back to work to make a couple hundred bucks more a month, but then have to pay hundreds more for childcare, when they could stay at home, make more net income and spend time with their family? The fact that people are spinning this as 'lazy workers' instead of 'corporate greed and an unlivable minimum wage' is kind of amazing to watch
They wouldn't.

They would rather be pampered and taken care of by somebody else.

As long as I have enough to live, I am generally satisfied, as would 80 percent of all people.

If the government is paying me enough to live, then work be damned.

People are fucking lazy whether you like the fact or not.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: garygreen on May 11, 2021, 01:08:27 PM
>capitalism works because everyone is greedy
>also social welfare is bad because everyone is lazy

i fucking hate this country
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Action80 on May 11, 2021, 01:16:59 PM
>capitalism works because everyone is greedy
>also social welfare is bad because everyone is lazy

i fucking hate this country
It is possible to be extremely greedy and extremely lazy all that same time.

Why would that shock you to the point of hate?
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Lord Dave on May 11, 2021, 02:14:39 PM
Everyone wants to be pampered thinks they deserve a living wage is more accurate.
FTFY

Why would anyone with a kid go back to work to make a couple hundred bucks more a month, but then have to pay hundreds more for childcare, when they could stay at home, make more net income and spend time with their family? The fact that people are spinning this as 'lazy workers' instead of 'corporate greed and an unlivable minimum wage' is kind of amazing to watch
They wouldn't.

They would rather be pampered and taken care of by somebody else.
False.  Most people want to work.  Why do you think most retired people find hobbies or community service?  Boredom is a thing.

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As long as I have enough to live, I am generally satisfied, as would 80 percent of all people.
Yep.  Tho 'living' is a relative term.  Like if you had enough to live in a 1 bedroom apartment in the middle of a gang infested part of the city and eat nothing but junk food... Is that enough?  Would you want more to save?  Maybe buy a house?  Start a family?  Go to school?

Tell me: what is 'enough to live' for you?

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If the government is paying me enough to live, then work be damned.

People are fucking lazy whether you like the fact or not.
Don't project your own desires on humanity, dude. 
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Action80 on May 11, 2021, 02:47:54 PM
Everyone wants to be pampered thinks they deserve a living wage is more accurate.
FTFY

Why would anyone with a kid go back to work to make a couple hundred bucks more a month, but then have to pay hundreds more for childcare, when they could stay at home, make more net income and spend time with their family? The fact that people are spinning this as 'lazy workers' instead of 'corporate greed and an unlivable minimum wage' is kind of amazing to watch
They wouldn't.

They would rather be pampered and taken care of by somebody else.
False.  Most people want to work.  Why do you think most retired people find hobbies or community service?  Boredom is a thing.
It is true that boredom is a thing. I never claimed it was not a thing.

Most people do not want to work.

Hobbies and community service is not viewed as work by people who perform such things.

Playing the guitar =/= work for me.

I am not good enough to get paid doing it though.

For most people work = slavery.
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As long as I have enough to live, I am generally satisfied, as would 80 percent of all people.
Yep.  Tho 'living' is a relative term.  Like if you had enough to live in a 1 bedroom apartment in the middle of a gang infested part of the city and eat nothing but junk food... Is that enough?  Would you want more to save?  Maybe buy a house?  Start a family?  Go to school?

Tell me: what is 'enough to live' for you?
If you want those things, you should put in the work required to get those things.

You cannot blame some other entity for not doing the work required to get those things.

Although that is your favorite pastime.
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If the government is paying me enough to live, then work be damned.

People are fucking lazy whether you like the fact or not.
Don't project your own desires on humanity, dude.
Not my desires at all.

I know damn well the government is not inclined to take care of me.

People like you they will take care of.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Roundy on May 11, 2021, 03:03:37 PM
If the government is paying me enough to live, then work be damned.

Yep, there's the problem.

I believe you that you're lazy, lackey. It doesn't surprise me really. But most people have aspirations for more than the bare minimum to survive. Indeed, that's why capitalism is supposed to work in the first place.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Iceman on May 11, 2021, 03:15:00 PM
Exactly. A government should pay people enough to live. A company should pay employees enough to have a life.

Minimum wage should reflect the ability for someone to have a life, just as it did back when America was 'great'. Currently theres little motivation for someone to go get a minimum wage job, and very little capacity for people to 'pull themselves up by their bootstraps' to reuse the old trope.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Action80 on May 11, 2021, 03:17:51 PM
If the government is paying me enough to live, then work be damned.

Yep, there's the problem.

I believe you that you're lazy. It doesn't surprise me really. But most people have aspirations for more than the bare minimum to survive. Indeed, that's why capitalism is supposed to work in the first place.
I think you are totally missing the point.

I am not most people.

I work every day.

Nobody is paying me to stay home and not work.

But most people are not, because as I pointed out earlier, a couple making twice the median income in the US by not working will not work for less.

I get paid about the median income in the US.

I have a house, two cars, a few Thork-like sport bikes, a couple of guitars, and riding mower to take care of the grounds.

But I work for it because I want those things.

When I don't want them anymore, I will work enough to get what I want.

I don't believe anyone owes me a goddamn thing, unlike you.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Action80 on May 11, 2021, 03:21:50 PM
Exactly. A government should pay people enough to live. A company should pay employees enough to have a life.

Minimum wage should reflect the ability for someone to have a life, just as it did back when America was 'great'. Currently theres little motivation for someone to go get a minimum wage job, and very little capacity for people to 'pull themselves up by their bootstraps' to reuse the old trope.
Who wants a minimum wage job?

Minimum wage jobs are for children who don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

So you're an advocate for no work.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Roundy on May 11, 2021, 03:25:30 PM
If the government is paying me enough to live, then work be damned.

Yep, there's the problem.

I believe you that you're lazy. It doesn't surprise me really. But most people have aspirations for more than the bare minimum to survive. Indeed, that's why capitalism is supposed to work in the first place.
I think you are totally missing the point.

I am not most people.

I work every day.

Nobody is paying me to stay home and not work.

But most people are not, because as I pointed out earlier, a couple making twice the median income in the US by not working will not work for less.

I get paid about the median income in the US.

I have a house, two cars, a few Thork-like sport bikes, a couple of guitars, and riding mower to take care of the grounds.

But I work for it because I want those things.

When I don't want them anymore, I will work enough to get what I want.

I don't believe anyone owes me a goddamn thing, unlike you.

Hmm. I'm trying to square this away with your claim that you wouldn't work if the government paid you to do nothing. I assume you recognize that you wouldn't be able to afford all those things on the government till.

So you felt it important to work hard to get those things, but if the government was paying you the bare minimum to survive you wouldn't have and would have just been content sitting home, doing nothing and owning nothing of value?  ???

That's just weird, lackey. Again I don't think most people feel the same way.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Lord Dave on May 11, 2021, 03:59:31 PM
Most people do not want to work.
This is you projecting.  It is not reality.  Unemployed people want to work.  But if unemployment is higher than the the shitty job you had, why would you want to go back to it?
Tell me, would you go pick strawberries in the Texas summer for $3/hour or get $100/week from unemployment? 
Would you want to work at a cash register for 9 hours day with no benefits, getting yourself barely enough money to keep your stomach from growling if there was an alternative?

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Hobbies and community service is not viewed as work by people who perform such things.

Playing the guitar =/= work for me.

I am not good enough to get paid doing it though.
My hobbies include computer stuff.
My job: computer stuff.
My hobbies are also my job.  Aka: work.

But its still work.  Whether you view it that way or not.

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For most people work = slavery.
So what you're saying is that its only "real work" if you are over worked and paid so badly that you can barely survive, let alone live.  Good to know.  Guess you don't "work", do you?

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As long as I have enough to live, I am generally satisfied, as would 80 percent of all people.
Yep.  Tho 'living' is a relative term.  Like if you had enough to live in a 1 bedroom apartment in the middle of a gang infested part of the city and eat nothing but junk food... Is that enough?  Would you want more to save?  Maybe buy a house?  Start a family?  Go to school?

Tell me: what is 'enough to live' for you?
If you want those things, you should put in the work required to get those things.

You cannot blame some other entity for not doing the work required to get those things.
Great in theory but ya gotta spend money to make money.  School costs money.  Food costs money.  And if you want either, you need a job.  But only an unskilled job since you have no education or experience.  Which pays too low to really go to school.  Not without outside support.  And thats the issue at heart: if your life sucks before your an adult, its very hard to get it not to suck as an adult.

Answer me this: did you pay for school and rent of your own apartment all on your own?  No support from anyone?  Did you even go to school?  Did your parents help you in any way?  Friends or other family?  Or are you a self made man who got great success without any help? 


Oh and my favorite past time is playing video games and roleplaying.  I just don't have the time for it as much as I would want.

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If the government is paying me enough to live, then work be damned.

People are fucking lazy whether you like the fact or not.
Don't project your own desires on humanity, dude.
Not my desires at all.

I know damn well the government is not inclined to take care of me.

People like you they will take care of.
Nope.  The government isn't taking care of me.  I make too much money.  Nor do I want them to care for me, I don't need it. (Tho the national health care is nice, even if I haven't used it yet)
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on May 11, 2021, 04:02:38 PM
Also, the government redistributing your tax dollars is not “being supported”.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Action80 on May 11, 2021, 05:05:29 PM
If the government is paying me enough to live, then work be damned.

Yep, there's the problem.

I believe you that you're lazy. It doesn't surprise me really. But most people have aspirations for more than the bare minimum to survive. Indeed, that's why capitalism is supposed to work in the first place.
I think you are totally missing the point.

I am not most people.

I work every day.

Nobody is paying me to stay home and not work.

But most people are not, because as I pointed out earlier, a couple making twice the median income in the US by not working will not work for less.

I get paid about the median income in the US.

I have a house, two cars, a few Thork-like sport bikes, a couple of guitars, and riding mower to take care of the grounds.

But I work for it because I want those things.

When I don't want them anymore, I will work enough to get what I want.

I don't believe anyone owes me a goddamn thing, unlike you.

Hmm. I'm trying to square this away with your claim that you wouldn't work if the government paid you to do nothing. I assume you recognize that you wouldn't be able to afford all those things on the government till.
Actually, in the past year and one-half, I would be able to afford to live much the same as I do now, due to Covid. The reason I did not is due to the fact that type of government support would be all dried up now.

But for many in the country, it hasn't.

And if they are capable of living as I am currently (even better, in most instances), then yeah, they are not going to work.
So you felt it important to work hard to get those things, but if the government was paying you the bare minimum to survive you wouldn't have and would have just been content sitting home, doing nothing and owning nothing of value?  ???

That's just weird. Again I don't think most people feel the same way.
See, I don't view the things I have as important and that is the difference.

I do what I want to do and get what I want to get.

Just living and breathing and if it all ended tomorrow, then so be it.

Value is in the eye of the beholder, as is all things.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Action80 on May 11, 2021, 05:08:42 PM
Most people do not want to work.
This is you projecting.  It is not reality.  Unemployed people want to work.  But if unemployment is higher than the the shitty job you had, why would you want to go back to it?
Because "Unemployed people want to work" remember what you just wrote?

Jesus H. Christ...

See, most people also view their jobs as "shit jobs," as you put it, because most people are fucked in the head and cannot put together two thoughts in a row that make sense, much like your example here.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Lord Dave on May 13, 2021, 09:28:32 AM
Most people do not want to work.
This is you projecting.  It is not reality.  Unemployed people want to work.  But if unemployment is higher than the the shitty job you had, why would you want to go back to it?
Because "Unemployed people want to work" remember what you just wrote?

Jesus H. Christ...

See, most people also view their jobs as "shit jobs," as you put it, because most people are fucked in the head and cannot put together two thoughts in a row that make sense, much like your example here.

Yes, because "want to work" means they'll take anything. /Sarcasm/... I want to eat pie.  Doesn't mean I'm going to eat any pie offered to me.  Like if someone bakes me a shit pie, or a Pumpkin Pie, I'm not eating it.

And if most people (in america) think their job is shitty, maybe the problem is the job culture, and not that people are lazy.

And note: your entire argument is based on the people who make more on unemployment than their barista or customer service jobs.  And again: that speaks volumes of the problem. 
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: stack on May 13, 2021, 05:39:05 PM
And if they are capable of living as I am currently (even better, in most instances), then yeah, they are not going to work.

I think I have the numbers right:

The max amount you can get is $450 per week of unemployment for usually 26 weeks (Some states are lower, like Missouri is 13 weeks). And that’s the max amount based upon your previous years income. And the max amount varies by State. For instance, California max is $450, Arizona’s is $240, Kentucky’s is $552. So I’m using the rough average max for this, $450.

That’s a total of $11,700.00 ($450 X 26 weeks, 1/2 a year)

Covid has extended the 26 weeks to 39 weeks and added a $300 additional benefit for up to 11 weeks.

So the max would be $450 + 300 for 11 weeks + $450 for 28 weeks for a total of: $8250 + $12600 = $20,850.00

Are you saying you make less than $20k for 3/4 of a year and the unemployed with these benefits are making more than you?
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: existoid on May 13, 2021, 05:53:29 PM
And if they are capable of living as I am currently (even better, in most instances), then yeah, they are not going to work.

I think I have the numbers right:

The max amount you can get is $450 per week of unemployment for usually 26 weeks (Some states are lower, like Missouri is 13 weeks). And that’s the max amount based upon your previous years income. And the max amount varies by State. For instance, California max is $450, Arizona’s is $240, Kentucky’s is $552. So I’m using the rough average max for this, $450.

That’s a total of $11,700.00 ($450 X 26 weeks, 1/2 a year)

Covid has extended the 26 weeks to 39 weeks and added a $300 additional benefit for up to 11 weeks.

So the max would be $450 + 300 for 11 weeks + $450 for 28 weeks for a total of: $8250 + $12600 = $20,850.00

Are you saying you make less than $20k for 3/4 of a year and the unemployed with these benefits are making more than you?

Source on those numbers?
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: existoid on May 19, 2021, 02:27:19 AM
Despite my pedantry in the "Trump" thread regarding voter fraud stuff, I really am not a fan of Biden in the least.

I disliked Trump, and I dislike Biden (for mostly different reasons, but some similar ones).

It's really lame, however, how fawningly gross the media is to him. Had the below interaction been uttered by Trump, it would have created a 48 hour period in which virtually every mainstream news outlet would vociferously condemn him:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1394734707645063171

Is it really that funny for Biden to pretend he'll run over a female reporter because she asks a question about a major geopolitical event in a historically important region of the world (to the US) ?





Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: crutonius on May 19, 2021, 04:47:46 AM
If you need a real reason to dislike Joe Biden then look no further at his fecklessness regarding the current situation in Israel.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on May 19, 2021, 10:37:00 AM
If you need a real reason to dislike Joe Biden then look no further at his fecklessness regarding the current situation in Israel.

Yeah, just another American president propping up shitty foreign governments for geo-political gain. Most of his policy has been pandering to the left, but I don’t really care if they are good policies.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Roundy on May 19, 2021, 01:33:17 PM
The US attitude towards Israel has always been ridiculous. We prop ourselves up as champions of human rights and supposedly condemn any nation that doesn't respect human rights, at the same time that we support a country capable of and responsible for atrocities as reprehensible as any other terrorist organizations in the region. A country that imposed its will on hundreds of thousands of Palestinians, telling them they no longer had a home, had to find a new place to live, sorry, and refuses to offer a reasonable compromise even decades later.

It's been a general principle on both sides for a long time that criticizing Israel for any reason was to be decried as antisemitic, the better to avoid having to justify supporting a country whose entire existence revolves around violating the human rights of others. Thank God that seems to be changing to some degree on the Left.

And I thought the same thing when I saw Biden make that comment about running over the reporter. Trump would have been roasted if he had said something like that. This is what I was saying all along during Trump's presidency. You make the bias so obvious, so all-encompassing, that it opens the door to claims that Republicans are treated unfairly in the media, which is only amplified by the Right and allows millions of Americans to fall behind chants of "FAKE NEWS"! Who the fuck can you trust anymore?
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Me Banned=Earth Round on May 19, 2021, 01:59:52 PM
People who aren't friends with Israel have a pretty bad track record so I'm glad we are allied with them.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: honk on May 19, 2021, 02:25:17 PM
(on the notion of the joke)

Trump wouldn't have made a joke in that exact way, though. He'd most likely phrase it as a general comment about how great it would be if he could kill journalists. And he wouldn't say it to the journalists directly, but to his fans at a rally. The cheering crowd would scream their enthusiastic approval, at least one crazy person present would begin making their own plans to murder journalists, and Trump onstage would bask in their admiration. Afterwards, he would deny ever making the controversial comment to begin with, and after a few days, either he or his staff would dismissively say it had been a joke.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Lord Dave on May 19, 2021, 02:31:25 PM
(on the notion of the joke)

Trump wouldn't have made a joke in that exact way, though. He'd most likely phrase it as a general comment about how great it would be if he could kill journalists. And he wouldn't say it to the journalists directly, but to his fans at a rally. The cheering crowd would scream their enthusiastic approval, at least one crazy person present would begin making their own plans to murder journalists, and Trump onstage would bask in their admiration. Afterwards, he would deny ever making the controversial comment to begin with, and after a few days, either he or his staff would dismissively say it had been a joke.

This.
It was in bad taste, no doubt.  But also context.
The man was literally about to drive away at an event specifically setup for him to drive.  And someone wants to ask him about Israel.

But I maintain he shouldn't have said it and I also maintain that half of Trump's comments wouldn't have gotten nothing if he didn't double down everytime someone called him out on shit.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Iceman on May 19, 2021, 03:02:51 PM
It was in bad taste, no doubt.  But also context.
The man was literally about to drive away at an event specifically setup for him to drive.  And someone wants to ask him about Israel.

But I maintain he shouldn't have said it and I also maintain that half of Trump's comments wouldn't have gotten nothing if he didn't double down everytime someone called him out on shit.

I agree with Honk, and you, to a degree. But just because Biden was at an event set up for him to test drive an American-made EV doesnt give him a free pass to just dodge questions on the (arguably?) most pressing current geopolitical issue.

Biden is absolutely getting an easier ride by the MSM. Part of that was handed to him, but part of it has been earned, by not being an unpleasant, egotistical jackass who refused to take responsibility for anything. I still dont like him, but his track record is much better than Donnie's. His feet should still be held to the flames though -accountability goes both ways.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Roundy on May 19, 2021, 08:21:04 PM
People who aren't friends with Israel have a pretty bad track record so I'm glad we are allied with them.

So we should look the other way at their regular violations of human rights because we don't like the people who don't like them? Wow, compelling argument dude.  ::)
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: existoid on May 20, 2021, 05:08:24 PM
As a geopolitical and international security junky there's just too much to say about the Israel/Palestine situation and the conversation would be even more intractable than an FET vs RET one  :P  ;D

But I will chime in to say that the key problem facing the Gazans (and to an extent those in the West Bank as well, but more so in Gaza) is Hamas and Islamic Jihad. That is to say, Israel is not the source of the key problems facing Gaza and the average Gaza citizen. 15 years ago Hamas was elected in Gaza, and since then zero elections have been held, and Hamas has spent those 15 years making life worse and worse and worse for the average Gazan with intensely evil human rights violations against their own people.

Israel has had no ongoing military or administrative presence in Gaza for decades now, and yet the huge amount of money that has poured in to Gaza from private donors and other states (Iran, but also lots of Arab states) has not gone to making the lives of Palestinians better, because Hamas clearly doesn't care about their own people.

Of course, Hamas, being authoritarian thugs and an actual terrorist organization in control of a polity cannot be voted out with no elections (and if there were any, the idea that Gazans would have a fair election without Hamas personnel overseeing their non-secret ballot votes is laughable, meaning Hamas would retain power anyway).

In case my ultimate point isn't clear: the plight of Palestine and Palestinians right now in 2021 can only fairly be laid at the feet of Hamas, and not Israel.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: crutonius on May 20, 2021, 08:30:33 PM
I don't think Gazans are living high on the hog.  In fact it's my understanding that they live in poverty.  It's been described as the world's biggest open air concentration camp.  Israel seems to fit the definition of an apartheid state.  There seems to be a massive power imbalance.  It would be inaccurate to call the situation between Israel and Palestine a conflict, massacre would be a better word.

I don't deny that Hamas seems to be a terrorist organization.  But from what I see here it seems that the Israeli government is doing some terrorizing of their own.

What really stings about all of this is that my country has a lot of power to broker a peace between them.  But what we're really doing is just providing cover for the Israeli government because it makes the Christians here happy.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: J-Man on June 15, 2021, 01:23:14 AM
Biden seems brain dead. Is he really going to play hard ball with Putin?

Tammy Bruce
@HeyTammyBruce
·
Jun 13
This is horrible. At some point his cognitive disfunction has to be considered a natl security threat if only because of the confidence it must give our enemies “President confuses Syria with Libya three times”
1.8M views
1:13 / 1:24
From
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https://twitter.com/HeyTammyBruce/status/1404169515638870017?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1404410620036980739%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zerohedge.com%2Fpolitical%2Fahead-putin-meeting-biden-confuses-syria-libya-3-times-less-90-seconds
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: stack on June 15, 2021, 02:33:27 AM
Seems to be a common theme among American Presidents to confuse Syria with other nations - Trump remembers details of cake he was eating while launching missiles, but not which country he was attacking:

Trump recalls moment he launched missiles, confuses Iraq for Syria
Trump says he informed the leader of China of the missile strike “over dessert”.

“Let me explain something to you, this is during dessert,” he said of his meal with Jinping.

"We’ve just fired 59 missiles, all of which hit by the way, unbelievable, from hundreds of miles away, it’s brilliant it’s genius, what we have in terms of technology no-one can come close to competing.

So I said, we’ve just launched 59 missiles, heading to Iraq."

“Heading to Syria?” the host interjects.


https://www.thejournal.ie/trump-syria-dessert-3337600-Apr2017/
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Shifter on June 15, 2021, 03:34:21 PM
People who aren't friends with Israel have a pretty bad track record so I'm glad we are allied with them.

America doesn't exactly have a great track record either. I shudder that my country is allied with yours
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: J-Man on June 15, 2021, 04:54:34 PM
Seems to be a common theme among American Presidents to confuse Syria with other nations - Trump remembers details of cake he was eating while launching missiles, but not which country he was attacking:

Trump recalls moment he launched missiles, confuses Iraq for Syria
Trump says he informed the leader of China of the missile strike “over dessert”.

“Let me explain something to you, this is during dessert,” he said of his meal with Jinping.

"We’ve just fired 59 missiles, all of which hit by the way, unbelievable, from hundreds of miles away, it’s brilliant it’s genius, what we have in terms of technology no-one can come close to competing.

So I said, we’ve just launched 59 missiles, heading to Iraq."

“Heading to Syria?” the host interjects.


https://www.thejournal.ie/trump-syria-dessert-3337600-Apr2017/

This ain't a President...this is a senile old man who should go put his feet up and never appear in public as any kind of official.

NOT MY PRES..his party cheated..LOSERS

https://twitter.com/HouseGOP/status/1404778472015286286?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1404810367721787394%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thegatewaypundit.com%2F2021%2F06%2Fjoe-biden-totally-lost-shares-gibberish-world-stage-embarrassing-received-81-million-votes%2F
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Shifter on June 15, 2021, 05:00:52 PM
NOT MY PRES..his party cheated..LOSERS
hahahaha sucked in!  8)

What are you going to do about it? Nothing. Hopefully Biden (but likely Harris) can cheat their way through 2024 and keep the repugnicans out. Some Gerrymandering and moving a stack of liberals to deep red states should ensure a democrat victory every single time.  ;D
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: stack on June 15, 2021, 05:23:20 PM
Seems to be a common theme among American Presidents to confuse Syria with other nations - Trump remembers details of cake he was eating while launching missiles, but not which country he was attacking:

Trump recalls moment he launched missiles, confuses Iraq for Syria
Trump says he informed the leader of China of the missile strike “over dessert”.

“Let me explain something to you, this is during dessert,” he said of his meal with Jinping.

"We’ve just fired 59 missiles, all of which hit by the way, unbelievable, from hundreds of miles away, it’s brilliant it’s genius, what we have in terms of technology no-one can come close to competing.

So I said, we’ve just launched 59 missiles, heading to Iraq."

“Heading to Syria?” the host interjects.


https://www.thejournal.ie/trump-syria-dessert-3337600-Apr2017/

This ain't a President...this is a senile old man who should go put his feet up and never appear in public as any kind of official.

NOT MY PRES..his party cheated..LOSERS

Funny. WHo is in the white house and currently the leader of the free world

https://twitter.com/HouseGOP/status/1404778472015286286?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1404810367721787394%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thegatewaypundit.com%2F2021%2F06%2Fjoe-biden-totally-lost-shares-gibberish-world-stage-embarrassing-received-81-million-votes%2F

Though I was not a Trump supporter, I was never in the "Not my president" camp because that is just stupid and delusional and counterproductive and un-American. He was our President whether I was thrilled about it or not. That's how this all works - Every 4 years we'll have an incumbent or someone brand spanking new in that office. If you don't like it, then you must be anti-democratic. Which is certainly you're right, but perhaps you should find another nation to call your home - This one is obviously not working for you. Look to 2022 & 2024 to make some changes, just as we've been doing for 200 years.

If your thing is to point out gaffes and missteps and such, we can do that all day. We have 4 years of DJT's inappropriate insults of war veterans/heroes, two-handed water sipping, shuffling on ramps, slurring and, as pointed out, forgetting that he ordered 59 cruise missiles to strike Syria and saying he hit Iraq. At least Biden hasn't forgotten where he ordered missiles to go and blow up things and people...yet.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Dr Van Nostrand on June 15, 2021, 06:25:23 PM
Biden seems brain dead. Is he really going to play hard ball with Putin?

Tammy Bruce
@HeyTammyBruce
·
Jun 13
This is horrible. At some point his cognitive disfunction has to be considered a natl security threat if only because of the confidence it must give our enemies “President confuses Syria with Libya three times”
1.8M views
1:13 / 1:24
From
RNC Research

https://twitter.com/HeyTammyBruce/status/1404169515638870017?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1404410620036980739%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zerohedge.com%2Fpolitical%2Fahead-putin-meeting-biden-confuses-syria-libya-3-times-less-90-seconds

One word from the Trump administration:

COVFEFE!


Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Shifter on June 15, 2021, 06:39:03 PM
Biden seems brain dead. Is he really going to play hard ball with Putin?

One of our PMs threated to 'shirtfront' Putin

Informal meaning (in Australian Rules) an act of charging into an opponent's chest, typically so as to knock them to the ground.)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/13/tony-abbott-says-he-will-shirtfront-vladimir-putin-over-downing-of-mh17

I dont think it happened though. A pity. I would have liked to see Putin knock our PM on his arse for trying
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Action80 on June 18, 2021, 10:09:35 PM
Im sure all Joe needs to do is start sniffing little boys' hair and he'll be back in good graces. https://youtu.be/4nivssROh3s
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Toddler Thork on June 19, 2021, 07:29:44 PM
I thought I'd calculate the odds of Joe Biden dying in office. Below are the actuarial tables so you can see my sources.
https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html

Joe is 78 years old. He has a 4.78% chance of dying this year.

Out of 100,000, people only 56,065 would be left to make the ripe old age of 78.
4 years later 44,553 will be left to celebrate their 82nd birthday.

56,056 - 44,553 = 11503
100 / (56056 / 11503) = 20.5% chance of death in those 4 years. Joe didn't have his birthday on the day he was inaugurated so his chances are a fraction more.

I honestly thought his odds of dying would be a lot higher.  :-\


Edit: Joe has dementia.
Quote from: https://www.liftedcare.com/what-is-the-life-expectancy-for-someone-with-dementia/
General life expectancy for someone with Alzheimer’s is around 8-12 years.
After diagnosis, the average lifespan of someone with dementia with Lewy bodies was found in one study to be around 5-7 years after onset.
The average life span for someone with frontotemporal dementia (sometimes called Pick’s disease) is around eight years.

So its about 50-50. Ok, I feel better about this now.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: stack on June 19, 2021, 09:26:35 PM
I thought I'd calculate the odds of Joe Biden dying in office. Below are the actuarial tables so you can see my sources.
https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html

Joe is 78 years old. He has a 4.78% chance of dying this year.

Out of 100,000, people only 56,065 would be left to make the ripe old age of 78.
4 years later 44,553 will be left to celebrate their 82nd birthday.

56,056 - 44,553 = 11503
100 / (56056 / 11503) = 20.5% chance of death in those 4 years. Joe didn't have his birthday on the day he was inaugurated so his chances are a fraction more.

I honestly thought his odds of dying would be a lot higher.  :-\


Edit: Joe has dementia.
Quote from: https://www.liftedcare.com/what-is-the-life-expectancy-for-someone-with-dementia/
General life expectancy for someone with Alzheimer’s is around 8-12 years.
After diagnosis, the average lifespan of someone with dementia with Lewy bodies was found in one study to be around 5-7 years after onset.
The average life span for someone with frontotemporal dementia (sometimes called Pick’s disease) is around eight years.

So its about 50-50. Ok, I feel better about this now.

What's the dementia expiration date as applied to DJT? Considering he was slurring, shuffling, two-handing glasses of water, and more recently putting his pants on backwards, 2024 doesn't seem like it's attainable according to the above.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: crutonius on June 19, 2021, 11:09:37 PM
I thought I'd calculate the odds of Joe Biden dying in office. Below are the actuarial tables so you can see my sources.
https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html

Joe is 78 years old. He has a 4.78% chance of dying this year.

Out of 100,000, people only 56,065 would be left to make the ripe old age of 78.
4 years later 44,553 will be left to celebrate their 82nd birthday.

56,056 - 44,553 = 11503
100 / (56056 / 11503) = 20.5% chance of death in those 4 years. Joe didn't have his birthday on the day he was inaugurated so his chances are a fraction more.

I honestly thought his odds of dying would be a lot higher.  :-\


Edit: Joe has dementia.
Quote from: https://www.liftedcare.com/what-is-the-life-expectancy-for-someone-with-dementia/
General life expectancy for someone with Alzheimer’s is around 8-12 years.
After diagnosis, the average lifespan of someone with dementia with Lewy bodies was found in one study to be around 5-7 years after onset.
The average life span for someone with frontotemporal dementia (sometimes called Pick’s disease) is around eight years.

So its about 50-50. Ok, I feel better about this now.

Not to worry.  Kamala Harris will become president.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Lord Dave on June 20, 2021, 10:49:51 AM
I thought I'd calculate the odds of Joe Biden dying in office. Below are the actuarial tables so you can see my sources.
https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html

Joe is 78 years old. He has a 4.78% chance of dying this year.

Out of 100,000, people only 56,065 would be left to make the ripe old age of 78.
4 years later 44,553 will be left to celebrate their 82nd birthday.

56,056 - 44,553 = 11503
100 / (56056 / 11503) = 20.5% chance of death in those 4 years. Joe didn't have his birthday on the day he was inaugurated so his chances are a fraction more.

I honestly thought his odds of dying would be a lot higher.  :-\


Edit: Joe has dementia.
Quote from: https://www.liftedcare.com/what-is-the-life-expectancy-for-someone-with-dementia/
General life expectancy for someone with Alzheimer’s is around 8-12 years.
After diagnosis, the average lifespan of someone with dementia with Lewy bodies was found in one study to be around 5-7 years after onset.
The average life span for someone with frontotemporal dementia (sometimes called Pick’s disease) is around eight years.

So its about 50-50. Ok, I feel better about this now.

Does your numbers take into account that, as president, he has the best healthcare money can buy?
Or is this based on the average American, who (just fyi) does not have the best medical care or even very good medical care.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Toddler Thork on June 20, 2021, 10:26:07 PM
Does your numbers take into account that, as president, he has the best healthcare money can buy?
Or is this based on the average American, who (just fyi) does not have the best medical care or even very good medical care.
Between you and me Dave, I think Biden died sometime last year on the campaign trail and what you are seeing on TV, is his reanimated corpse. I don't want to start a conspiracy theory, but I'm sure I read something about 'Project Weekend at Bernie's".
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Lord Dave on June 21, 2021, 04:01:34 AM
Does your numbers take into account that, as president, he has the best healthcare money can buy?
Or is this based on the average American, who (just fyi) does not have the best medical care or even very good medical care.
Between you and me Dave, I think Biden died sometime last year on the campaign trail and what you are seeing on TV, is his reanimated corpse. I don't want to start a conspiracy theory, but I'm sure I read something about 'Project Weekend at Bernie's".
So a reanimated corpse was better than Donald Trump?
Yeah... Yeah that makes sense.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on June 21, 2021, 11:37:06 AM
Hey America, would it be possible to start speaking out against the drive for extreme domestic counter-terrorism powers now instead of waiting until it’s too late?

Sincerely,

Your concerned neighbor. (Canada)
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Toddler Thork on June 21, 2021, 11:47:34 AM
Hey America, would it be possible to start speaking out against the drive for extreme domestic counter-terrorism powers now instead of waiting until it’s too late?

Sincerely,

Your concerned neighbor. (Canada)

OMG, if there was ever anyone who needed to get their political house in order before worrying about others, its Canada.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Action80 on June 21, 2021, 11:50:50 AM
Hey America, would it be possible to start speaking out against the drive for extreme domestic counter-terrorism powers now instead of waiting until it’s too late?

Sincerely,

Your concerned neighbor. (Canada)
Hey Canada, would it be possible to start speaking out against acts of terrorism committed by government officials against your citizenry now instead of waiting until it's too late?

Sincerely,

Your unconcerned neighbor (The US)
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on June 21, 2021, 12:20:55 PM
Hey America, would it be possible to start speaking out against the drive for extreme domestic counter-terrorism powers now instead of waiting until it’s too late?

Sincerely,

Your concerned neighbor. (Canada)

OMG, if there was ever anyone who needed to get their political house in order before worrying about others, its Canada.

Everyone needs work. This is a Biden thread though. If you want to start a Trudeau bad thread, go ahead.

Hey America, would it be possible to start speaking out against the drive for extreme domestic counter-terrorism powers now instead of waiting until it’s too late?

Sincerely,

Your concerned neighbor. (Canada)
Hey Canada, would it be possible to start speaking out against acts of terrorism committed by government officials against your citizenry now instead of waiting until it's too late?

Sincerely,

Your unconcerned neighbor (The US)

You obviously are concerned, hence the effort of replying while trying to be a cool kid. You and Thork can go get your rage-boners about Trudeau in another thread.

Interesting that you don’t want to speak out against the Biden administration’s rhetoric about Domestic Terrorism being a bigger threat than Islamic terrorism and calls for increased domestic powers.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Action80 on June 21, 2021, 12:35:48 PM
Hey America, would it be possible to start speaking out against the drive for extreme domestic counter-terrorism powers now instead of waiting until it’s too late?

Sincerely,

Your concerned neighbor. (Canada)

OMG, if there was ever anyone who needed to get their political house in order before worrying about others, its Canada.

Everyone needs work. This is a Biden thread though. If you want to start a Trudeau bad thread, go ahead.

Hey America, would it be possible to start speaking out against the drive for extreme domestic counter-terrorism powers now instead of waiting until it’s too late?

Sincerely,

Your concerned neighbor. (Canada)
Hey Canada, would it be possible to start speaking out against acts of terrorism committed by government officials against your citizenry now instead of waiting until it's too late?

Sincerely,

Your unconcerned neighbor (The US)

You obviously are concerned, hence the effort of replying while trying to be a cool kid. You and Thork can go get your rage-boners about Trudeau in another thread.

Interesting that you don’t want to speak out against the Biden administration’s rhetoric about Domestic Terrorism being a bigger threat than Islamic terrorism and calls for increased domestic powers.
I understand anyone shouting out "terrorism," is most likely a terrorist.

All started many moons ago.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on June 21, 2021, 12:49:20 PM
No need to quote my post to talk about how smart you are.

Anyway, to people interested in discussing, it seems like Biden and the establishment Dems are interested in ratcheting up funding and legislation to increase already disastrous power wielded by the FBI and CIA, using Jan 6th as the political smokescreen.

Unfortunately MSNBC and CNN won’t cover it and Fox News will cover it badly and no one will realize that their government is amping up the surveillance state.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Toddler Thork on June 21, 2021, 12:51:56 PM
No need to quote my post to talk about how smart you are.

Anyway, to people interested in discussing, it seems like Biden and the establishment Dems are interested in ratcheting up funding and legislation to increase already disastrous power wielded by the FBI and CIA, using Jan 6th as the political smokescreen.

Unfortunately MSNBC and CNN won’t cover it and Fox News will cover it badly and no one will realize that their government is amping up the surveillance state.
Forget China and Russia. The US government sees its own citizens as the real enemy. It watches them far more closely than any would be geopolitical rival.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on June 21, 2021, 12:58:13 PM
No need to quote my post to talk about how smart you are.

Anyway, to people interested in discussing, it seems like Biden and the establishment Dems are interested in ratcheting up funding and legislation to increase already disastrous power wielded by the FBI and CIA, using Jan 6th as the political smokescreen.

Unfortunately MSNBC and CNN won’t cover it and Fox News will cover it badly and no one will realize that their government is amping up the surveillance state.
Forget China and Russia. The US government sees its own citizens as the real enemy. It watches them far more closely than any would be geopolitical rival.

Not so much the enemy and more of a pawn in my estimation. The government, billionaires and media are just putting the public against one another.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Action80 on June 21, 2021, 01:11:27 PM
No need to quote my post to talk about how smart you are.

Anyway, to people interested in discussing, it seems like Biden and the establishment Dems are interested in ratcheting up funding and legislation to increase already disastrous power wielded by the FBI and CIA, using Jan 6th as the political smokescreen.

Unfortunately MSNBC and CNN won’t cover it and Fox News will cover it badly and no one will realize that their government is amping up the surveillance state.
Forget China and Russia. The US government sees its own citizens as the real enemy. It watches them far more closely than any would be geopolitical rival.

Not so much the enemy and more of a pawn in my estimation. The government, billionaires and media are just putting the public against one another.
With you acting as a willing agent those same people you supposedly decry?
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Rama Set on June 21, 2021, 02:31:28 PM
With you acting as a willing agent those same people you supposedly decry?

*for those

I am not sure why you think I am an agent for them.  You sound a little paranoid.  Anyway, we aren't talking about me, we are talking about the Biden administration.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Lord Dave on June 21, 2021, 03:01:34 PM
No need to quote my post to talk about how smart you are.

Anyway, to people interested in discussing, it seems like Biden and the establishment Dems are interested in ratcheting up funding and legislation to increase already disastrous power wielded by the FBI and CIA, using Jan 6th as the political smokescreen.

Unfortunately MSNBC and CNN won’t cover it and Fox News will cover it badly and no one will realize that their government is amping up the surveillance state.
Forget China and Russia. The US government sees its own citizens as the real enemy. It watches them far more closely than any would be geopolitical rival.

How many weapons and soliders does China and Russia have in the US?
Alot less than the number who stormed the capital on January 6.

So yeah, it is a bigger threat.  "A gun in every bush" applies to domestic terrorists as well as peaceful citizens.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Toddler Thork on June 21, 2021, 03:40:29 PM
How many weapons and soliders does China and Russia have in the US?
Alot less than the number who stormed the capital on January 6.
Stormed the capital?[sic] These extremely dangerous looking people who have calmly stopped to have their photos taken by the assembled press who a) knew they would be there and b) felt in absolutely no mortal danger whatsoever? You think is gaggle have more weapons and soldiers than China?

(https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/newscms/2021_02/3440538/200107-capitol-invasion-jacob-chansley-mn-1624-3440538.jpg)

I think you've been watching too much CNN again.

Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Iceman on June 21, 2021, 04:32:42 PM
Yes Thork, because that's all they did, was casually stroll in, take a few pictures and calmly voice their displeasure.

Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: WTF_Seriously on June 21, 2021, 05:45:36 PM
assembled press who a) knew they would be there and b) felt in absolutely no mortal danger whatsoever?

You do realize there was this extremely minor, unimportant to American democracy, detail of certifying the votes of the electoral college happening in congress at that time that may have warranted media attendance at the capitol even though it's such a trivial thing.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Lord Dave on June 22, 2021, 07:46:04 PM
How many weapons and soliders does China and Russia have in the US?
Alot less than the number who stormed the capital on January 6.
Stormed the capital?[sic] These extremely dangerous looking people who have calmly stopped to have their photos taken by the assembled press who a) knew they would be there and b) felt in absolutely no mortal danger whatsoever? You think is gaggle have more weapons and soldiers than China?

(https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/newscms/2021_02/3440538/200107-capitol-invasion-jacob-chansley-mn-1624-3440538.jpg)

I think you've been watching too much CNN again.

a) This was taken before the riot occurred.
b) There was an armed officer there.
(https://www.wivb.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/97/2021/03/ffc9e1cda314444ab0d195e467041201.jpg)


But I was thinking more this:
(https://static.scientificamerican.com/sciam/cache/file/0CA197DB-612A-4129-81F9720EBA3ED02B_source.jpg)
or this
(http://media.heartlandtv.com/images/AP21006717947235+(1).jpg)
You know, that time people tried to break into a blockaided door and someone got shot by Secret Service?


I mean...
(https://wpcdn.us-east-1.vip.tn-cloud.net/www.channel3000.com/content/uploads/2021/01/5ff62dac2a072.image_-e1609974592622-1024x576.jpg)
That's alot of trump supporters right there.  All wanting THEIR president to be in power, not the one person who actually won.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tumeni on June 23, 2021, 08:05:59 AM
The thing that gets me is that most of the Jan 6th rioters seem to be regular folks. Regular folks with a lot of disposable income, since a lot of them seem to have travelled from far and wide to get there.... but;

I don't get the impression that they thought they would storm the building, stop the process, then actually DO something. I get the impression they thought they would stop the process, then go back home, go back to work, and it would then be someone else's problem.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Lord Dave on June 23, 2021, 09:30:59 AM
The thing that gets me is that most of the Jan 6th rioters seem to be regular folks. Regular folks with a lot of disposable income, since a lot of them seem to have travelled from far and wide to get there.... but;

I don't get the impression that they thought they would storm the building, stop the process, then actually DO something. I get the impression they thought they would stop the process, then go back home, go back to work, and it would then be someone else's problem.

And steal Pelosi's mail.
And maybe kill someone.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: honk on June 23, 2021, 05:12:35 PM
There was a non-zero chance that when faced with Trump's supporters at their angriest, Pence and the Republicans in Congress might have done what they could to avoid certifying Biden's win. They didn't have a valid case for doing so, but they still could have done it, and who would have stopped them, or made them follow the law? That's probably what the rioters were counting on.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: crutonius on June 23, 2021, 08:06:32 PM
There's a disturbing tendency to downplay January 6.  There's no reason to think they wouldn't have murdered any Democratic member of congress or even some of the Republicans if they got their hands on them.  They were quite willing to kill anyone who got in their way, including law enforcement.

It's not an exaggeration to say that if it weren't for a small handful of police officers who didn't have their thumbs in their asses then we would probably be in a civil war by now.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Iceman on June 23, 2021, 08:39:06 PM
It's such a weird but sobering example of crowd mentality going horribly wrong.

The vast majority of those meatheads went there without any malicious intent. The few bad eggs who had legitimate plans and were armed+over-prepared for violence paved a way for the masses to follow and devolve into what we saw on TV.

Thankfully there werent nearly enough people with/privy to a plan so the masses mainly just stumbled around smashing stuff. I'm still baffled at how repercussions there have been for how woefully understaffed and equipped  the capitol police were. Clearly intentional by those in charge and it cost lives on both sides.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: J-Man on July 11, 2021, 01:35:46 PM
Did "The Big Guy" get his 10% again ?
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: crutonius on July 11, 2021, 06:28:23 PM
Did "The Big Guy" get his 10% again ?

Very concerning if true. Fortunately the big guy actually provides his tax returns.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: AllAroundTheWorld on July 21, 2021, 06:29:50 AM
I don’t know who Tom Brady is because, let’s face it, American Football is rubbish which is why pretty much no one outside the US watches it. But this is a pretty good joke. Well done him

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-57910869
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: J-Man on July 31, 2021, 09:48:02 PM
So brain dead he ate a booger on live tv. 

He's the best you got?.

Not my Pres., my clown.....
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Lord Dave on July 31, 2021, 10:08:05 PM
So brain dead he ate a booger on live tv. 

He's the best you got?.

Not my Pres., my clown.....

So did a quick search:
All I can find is a crappy video with no info showing an orange, sharp edged thing on his chin.  Not even sure its there or added in post production.  Also only mention of it seems to be far right groups who hate Biden.  So.... Not really gonna trust that its an accurate video.  They'd post a video of him summoning satan and turning the oceans into blood and call it fact.


Also:
He IS your president.  Just as Trump was our president.
Unless you're not American. 
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: J-Man on July 31, 2021, 11:08:49 PM
You'all raw raw picked a clown that couldn't even lead 6 months. Now we get a female attorney with little experience running the USA USA USA

Shows how dumb the libs truly are.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Lord Dave on August 01, 2021, 04:32:10 AM
You'all raw raw picked a clown that couldn't even lead 6 months. Now we get a female attorney with little experience running the USA USA USA

Shows how dumb the libs truly are.

1. Joe hasn't resigned.  Dunno what you're on about.
2. You do remember how Trump has 0 experience in anything related to law or politics, right?

Its so weird to watch conservatives jump and attack liberals with arguments that fit Trump.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: stack on August 01, 2021, 05:03:47 AM
So brain dead he ate a booger on live tv. 

He's the best you got?.

Not my Pres., my clown.....

Seems like the GOP started the trend...

https://youtu.be/SFr3DSpgmx4
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Tumeni on August 01, 2021, 08:39:34 AM
Its so weird to watch conservatives jump and attack liberals with arguments that fit Trump.

"Biden hid in his basement"

Trump spent one-quarter of his term hiding at his golf clubs. He was invisible in the lame-duck period.

"Biden is cognitively challenged"

Trump simply makes up stories about his life. "Someone came up to me and said; "Sir ...". Hogwash. He was the POTUS, living in the Whitehouse. Nobody casually "Comes up to him" apart from his own staff and those with clearance.

... and so it goes on.
Title: Re: President Joe Biden
Post by: Action80 on August 02, 2021, 03:37:58 PM
Not even sure its there or added in post production. 
The note that was handed to him, informing of the booger on his chin, was also edited in post-production.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Fbr7voADKo
Jesus, a truly crappy video, hardly clear at all.
Here's another showing all the clarity of thought and intelligence he's able to muster:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7WwDLzG--Y
If you can even make it through the first answers.