[Dr Van Nostrand]

It's too little too late at this point. Putin isn't going to give up his invasion within the next few months, not when he knows that all he has to do is wait until Trump is in office so that he can flatter and manipulate him into abandoning Ukraine and siding with him instead.

This is why Russia spent millions of dollars on the U.S. election. It's not just Trump supporting the invasion of Ukraine, but he's giving the green light to take Estonia and Latvia as well.

Trump is stacking his staff and cabinet with pro-Russia freaks and centralizing political power in the Executive branch to become the next member of the new Soviet Union. This is exactly what happened in Venezuela, the Czech Republic and the Republic of Georgia.
As predicted by me a year ago...

America needs to move as many of these traitorous freaks to Russia as we can. Rather than allowing the Republicans to make us part of the new Soviet Republic, we need to ship them to Russia. Rand Paul, Melissa Boebert, M.J. Greene, Matt Gaetz, Josh (the running man) Hawley, Ron Johnson, Donald Trump and the whole Hee Haw gang needs to go. Roger Stone, Steve Bannon, Bill Barr need to go to prison for thirty years and then get shipped to Russia.

After Ronald Reagan's pressure helped bring down the Soviet Union, these turncoats are helping Putin rebuild it. These communist collaborators are supporting Russia for one reason, they know Russia will support them in the next election.

This is how Venezuela became a Russian nation state. Putin flooded their media with propaganda that got those idiots to elect a bunch of corrupt pro-Russia politicians who then changed the laws so they can't be un-elected. We're watching it happen here.

[Action80]

So, according to the spooks posting here, the theory is that Putin chose not to attack the NAZI regime in Ukraine until Biden was in office in order to make Trump look good...

LMMFAO...

At first, I was just thinking all of you spooks were just nuts.

Thanks for the actual confirmation.

Maybe we can just skip all the bullshit and launch our EXTREMELY LONG RANGE MISSILES from our own country, amirite?

LMMFAO!!!

[Rushy]

This is why Russia spent millions of dollars on the U.S. election. It's not just Trump supporting the invasion of Ukraine, but he's giving the green light to take Estonia and Latvia as well.

Trump is stacking his staff and cabinet with pro-Russia freaks and centralizing political power in the Executive branch to become the next member of the new Soviet Union. This is exactly what happened in Venezuela, the Czech Republic and the Republic of Georgia.

Yes, of course, Trump is evil and wants to give away Europe to Russia. That's why he does things like... tell them to increase their defense spending...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/12/donald-trump-nato-summit-chaos-germany-attack-defence-spending
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/15/germany-tilts-at-trump-over-nato-decency-dependency-munich-security-conference

But, here's the thing, that upsets them! When Trump told the EU and NATO for years on end to start increasing their military spending, they made fun of him! Hell, the German representatives literally, physically laughed at him for demanding Germany increase its defense spending. They claimed, being smug Germans, that war was something that would not occur. What a silly orange man he is, telling them to build more weapons!

To make matters worse, Germany's defense minister actually agreed with Trump and caught flak for it.

The fact of the matter is that the only reason the Ukraine war is happening is European incompetence. They are weak and apathetic. Putin is capitalizing on that. Bringing Trump into it, especially when he spent years warning about this very thing, is just hilarious.

[Dr Van Nostrand]

Ukraine had an advanced nuclear arsenal (like Israel) and gave up its nukes based on security assurances from the U.S and West. Trump betrayed those promises.

But it's all good now, the Ukrainian nuclear engineers have already started work.

[Rushy]

Ukraine had an advanced nuclear arsenal (like Israel) and gave up its nukes based on security assurances from the U.S and West. Trump betrayed those promises.

But it's all good now, the Ukrainian nuclear engineers have already started work.

Nuclear weapons don't exist so I don't think whether Ukraine claims to have any matters. In fact, I suspect Ukraine was bullied out of keeping the supposed nukes because they would have discovered they're not real and told everyone as much. Would have been a bit embarrassing for the US and Russia if that were to happen.

[Dr Van Nostrand]

Ukraine had an advanced nuclear arsenal (like Israel) and gave up its nukes based on security assurances from the U.S and West. Trump betrayed those promises.

But it's all good now, the Ukrainian nuclear engineers have already started work.

Nuclear weapons don't exist so I don't think whether Ukraine claims to have any matters. In fact, I suspect Ukraine was bullied out of keeping the supposed nukes because they would have discovered they're not real and told everyone as much. Would have been a bit embarrassing for the US and Russia if that were to happen.

Merlin Speaks:
Nuclear weapons are much like the future. What do you really know about them until they go off? And then, it's too late.

[honk]

Yes, of course, Trump is evil and wants to give away Europe to Russia.

No, just that Trump makes decisions based on his whims and gut impulses rather than any sincerely-held political opinions (because he has none) and has repeatedly shown himself to be susceptible to flattery and manipulation, especially from people whom he admires like Putin.

That's why he does things like... tell them to increase their defense spending...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/12/donald-trump-nato-summit-chaos-germany-attack-defence-spending
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/15/germany-tilts-at-trump-over-nato-decency-dependency-munich-security-conference

But, here's the thing, that upsets them! When Trump told the EU and NATO for years on end to start increasing their military spending, they made fun of him! Hell, the German representatives literally, physically laughed at him for demanding Germany increase its defense spending. They claimed, being smug Germans, that war was something that would not occur. What a silly orange man he is, telling them to build more weapons!

To make matters worse, Germany's defense minister actually agreed with Trump and caught flak for it.

The fact of the matter is that the only reason the Ukraine war is happening is European incompetence. They are weak and apathetic. Putin is capitalizing on that. Bringing Trump into it, especially when he spent years warning about this very thing, is just hilarious.

No, Trump was not wisely warning Europe of the looming Russian threat and entreating them to protect themselves. He was swinging his dick around and demanding that allies pay more into NATO so that America would have to pay less. Trump clearly didn't know what NATO was or how it worked (he almost certainly still doesn't) and assumed that it was a dues-based transactional alliance where paid money is tangentially rewarded and those who don't contribute the required amount are kicked out. Trump has been laughed at many times in diplomatic events, and in no case was it because Trump alone recognized that Russia was a threat while nobody else took it seriously. They laughed at Trump because in every speech he made, he made it clear that he was a dumb, arrogant layman who had no idea what he was talking about trying to tell a room full of serious professionals their business.

[Action80]

He was swinging his dick around and demanding that allies pay more into NATO so that America would have to pay less.

How much is each nation required to pay according to the treaty?

Is the US paying less or more than the required payments?

Why do you believe the US should be the world's military police force?

[Lord Dave]

He was swinging his dick around and demanding that allies pay more into NATO so that America would have to pay less.

How much is each nation required to pay according to the treaty?

Is the US paying less or more than the required payments?

Why do you believe the US should be the world's military police force?

1. 2 percent of their gross domestic product (GDP)
2. More.  The US pays 3.4% of GDP.
3. The US does this because of two reasons.  The first is they won the cold war.  The second is because of Oil. 

[Rushy]

No, just that Trump makes decisions based on his whims and gut impulses rather than any sincerely-held political opinions (because he has none) and has repeatedly shown himself to be susceptible to flattery and manipulation, especially from people whom he admires like Putin.

Nice opinion.

No, Trump was not wisely warning Europe of the looming Russian threat and entreating them to protect themselves. He was swinging his dick around and demanding that allies pay more into NATO so that America would have to pay less. Trump clearly didn't know what NATO was or how it worked (he almost certainly still doesn't) and assumed that it was a dues-based transactional alliance where paid money is tangentially rewarded and those who don't contribute the required amount are kicked out. Trump has been laughed at many times in diplomatic events, and in no case was it because Trump alone recognized that Russia was a threat while nobody else took it seriously. They laughed at Trump because in every speech he made, he made it clear that he was a dumb, arrogant layman who had no idea what he was talking about trying to tell a room full of serious professionals their business.

A lot of this, hmm, "analysis" seems to use your imagination as a source.

Furthermore, I'm sure the German defense minister is just a dumb layman for agreeing with Trump. Sad! I guess it's a good thing that no one took his advice seriously and decided to maintain defense spending at all-time-lows. That really stuck it to Trump and his pro-Russian propaganda!

[Dr Van Nostrand]

Nuclear weapons don't exist so I don't think whether Ukraine claims to have any matters. In fact, I suspect Ukraine was bullied out of keeping the supposed nukes because they would have discovered they're not real and told everyone as much. Would have been a bit embarrassing for the US and Russia if that were to happen.

Nice opinion.
A lot of this, hmm, "analysis" seems to use your imagination as a source.

[Action80]

He was swinging his dick around and demanding that allies pay more into NATO so that America would have to pay less.

How much is each nation required to pay according to the treaty?

Is the US paying less or more than the required payments?

Why do you believe the US should be the world's military police force?

1. 2 percent of their gross domestic product (GDP)
2. More.  The US pays 3.4% of GDP.
3. The US does this because of two reasons.  The first is they won the cold war.  The second is because of Oil.

I asked Saddam to state his opinion on why he believes the US should be the military police force on the flat earth plane. So, I will ask you too. Why should they?

[Lord Dave]

He was swinging his dick around and demanding that allies pay more into NATO so that America would have to pay less.

How much is each nation required to pay according to the treaty?

Is the US paying less or more than the required payments?

Why do you believe the US should be the world's military police force?

1. 2 percent of their gross domestic product (GDP)
2. More.  The US pays 3.4% of GDP.
3. The US does this because of two reasons.  The first is they won the cold war.  The second is because of Oil.

I asked Saddam to state his opinion on why he believes the US should be the military police force on the flat earth plane. So, I will ask you too. Why should they?

They shouldn't.  But most of Americans would be very upset if the US was suddenly not the Top Dog of the world.  Personally, I think they need to keep their nose out of things.  Let oil destabalize from middle eastern conflict!  Let China police the world (US included).

[Rushy]

Nuclear weapons don't exist so I don't think whether Ukraine claims to have any matters. In fact, I suspect Ukraine was bullied out of keeping the supposed nukes because they would have discovered they're not real and told everyone as much. Would have been a bit embarrassing for the US and Russia if that were to happen.

Nice opinion.
A lot of this, hmm, "analysis" seems to use your imagination as a source.

Thinking nuclear weapons exist is quite comical. It's like explaining the politics of the North Pole by bringing Santa into the conversation.

If you think they exist (and you apparently, erroneously, do). I suggest bringing the evidence of that to the appropriate thread: https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=19668.180

[Dr Van Nostrand]

Nuclear weapons don't exist so I don't think whether Ukraine claims to have any matters. In fact, I suspect Ukraine was bullied out of keeping the supposed nukes because they would have discovered they're not real and told everyone as much. Would have been a bit embarrassing for the US and Russia if that were to happen.

Nice opinion.
A lot of this, hmm, "analysis" seems to use your imagination as a source.

Thinking nuclear weapons exist is quite comical. It's like explaining the politics of the North Pole by bringing Santa into the conversation.

If you think they exist (and you apparently, erroneously, do). I suggest bringing the evidence of that to the appropriate thread: https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=19668.180

No, actually if you think they don't exist, you need to bring Santa Clause to the other thread and prove it there. This thread is for normal people to discuss Biden and Ukraine policy.

BTW: If nuclear weapons don't exist, Ukraine will kick Russia's ass so badly and so deeply that the Kremlin will wish they were back in Afghanistan getting their ass kicked by the Mujahideen.

[Rushy]

No, actually if you think they don't exist, you need to bring Santa Clause to the other thread and prove it there. This thread is for normal people to discuss Biden and Ukraine policy.

BTW: If nuclear weapons don't exist, Ukraine will kick Russia's ass so badly and so deeply that the Kremlin will wish they were back in Afghanistan getting their ass kicked by the Mujahideen.

If nuclear weapons existed, Ukraine wouldn't be able to fight Russia at all. It would be a nuclear power versus a non-nuclear power. Russia would nuke Kiev and that would be it. Game over. No country on Earth would be willing to go nuclear with Russia over some eastern European marshes. Imagine an entire country saying "I'm going to kill myself because Russia invaded a country most of my citizens can't point out on a map". Very humorous.

Nuclear believers have to simultaneously believe these two statements:

1. Russia is composed of people who want to limit civilian casualties in Ukraine, so therefore refuse to drop their supposedly massive arsenal of tactical nuclear weapons.
2. Russia routinely fires volleys of hundreds of missiles into civilian centers and causes hundreds to thousands of civilian casualties every single day.

Cognitive dissonance is a helluva thing, amirite?

[Lord Dave]

No, actually if you think they don't exist, you need to bring Santa Clause to the other thread and prove it there. This thread is for normal people to discuss Biden and Ukraine policy.

BTW: If nuclear weapons don't exist, Ukraine will kick Russia's ass so badly and so deeply that the Kremlin will wish they were back in Afghanistan getting their ass kicked by the Mujahideen.

If nuclear weapons existed, Ukraine wouldn't be able to fight Russia at all. It would be a nuclear power versus a non-nuclear power. Russia would nuke Kiev and that would be it. Game over. No country on Earth would be willing to go nuclear with Russia over some eastern European marshes. Imagine an entire country saying "I'm going to kill myself because Russia invaded a country most of my citizens can't point out on a map". Very humorous.

Nuclear believers have to simultaneously believe these two statements:

1. Russia is composed of people who want to limit civilian casualties in Ukraine, so therefore refuse to drop their supposedly massive arsenal of tactical nuclear weapons.
2. Russia routinely fires volleys of hundreds of missiles into civilian centers and causes hundreds to thousands of civilian casualties every single day.

Cognitive dissonance is a helluva thing, amirite?

Ah but then you have the whole "If I use nukes , I'll have every one including China suddenly attacking me.  Probably with nukes."  Russia wants to win.  It doesn't want to die in the process.  Especially since it can't guarentee it's nuclear warheads will work.

[Action80]

Jesus, LD...Will you please read Rushy's post so you don't post a point he already addressed?

[Rushy]

Ah but then you have the whole "If I use nukes , I'll have every one including China suddenly attacking me.  Probably with nukes."  Russia wants to win.  It doesn't want to die in the process.  Especially since it can't guarentee it's nuclear warheads will work.

This is functionally the equivalent of saying the following:

"If Russia nukes Kiev, China will kill itself." Why? Make it make sense, Dave.

[Lord Dave]

Ah but then you have the whole "If I use nukes , I'll have every one including China suddenly attacking me.  Probably with nukes."  Russia wants to win.  It doesn't want to die in the process.  Especially since it can't guarentee it's nuclear warheads will work.

This is functionally the equivalent of saying the following:

"If Russia nukes Kiev, China will kill itself." Why? Make it make sense, Dave.

If they're willing to kill them with nukes, what's stopping them from using it on us too?  Better kill them first before they try to kill us.

It's all about escellation.