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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Buy Illegal Abortion

« on: Today at 07:37:00 AM »

Even died in the wool fanatics of misogyny and religious mansplainin' (Tom and Achtung80. talking to you guys here) will have to admit that if it is not available legally it will promote a criminal source

Alternatively

I also think that cherry picking anecdotes which fit your worldview is a better way of forming opinions than looking at data.

BillO is right of course, although I never feel that's a good argument for legalisation - you could apply the "it'll happen anyway, it'll just go underground" to anything.
But of course the consequences of that in this case are potentially quite serious.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« on: August 04, 2022, 01:44:20 PM »

QED…

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« on: August 03, 2022, 09:11:47 PM »

Basically, every poll is taken from areas where the population is most dense.

That’s a yes, isn’t it?

The areas where the population is less dense are often the areas where the population is most dense…

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« on: August 03, 2022, 06:15:40 PM »

"Mr Biden said the result showed "the majority of Americans agree that women should have access to abortion". - Evidently, the BBC thinks like Biden (for shame), that Kansans represent all of citizens of the US.

Doesn’t basically every poll show that Americans are largely pro choice?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« on: August 03, 2022, 05:57:35 AM »

Yes! More baby murder!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-62402625

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Theory that Black Holes are Land Mass

« on: August 02, 2022, 05:53:27 AM »

Noted, and thanks for the correction.
My point was more around Tom’s intellectual dishonesty. However it’s modelled, the fact is it is modelled very successfully with practical and demonstrable results. Turn your GPS on. Look in the sky at the right time and observe the ISS - with decent optics you can observe its shape. Look at the predictions of eclipse paths  and compare them to on the ground observations.
These are all testable results of our accurate model of the solar system.

Tom learns there is no analytic solution, misunderstands that (possibly deliberately) and argues it’s a glaring omission in the RE model. All while defending a model which doesn’t have a working map - to the point where they can’t agree whether there is one pole or two. And has EA as part of its model, the flaws of which I’ve highlighted above.

Newer models have replaced older models many times in history. Globe earth replaced flat earth, the heliocentric model replaced the geocentric one, Relativity replaced Newtonian mechanics as a more complete model of gravity. In each case the new model yielded better and more accurate results. FE doesn’t do that, there is no coherent working FE model which has any predictive power. Tom repeatedly defends this model, pointing out splinters in RE’s eye (which are often imagined) while ignoring the planks in his own.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Theory that Black Holes are Land Mass

« on: August 01, 2022, 07:53:39 AM »

I pointed out that planets and asteroids would not use gravitationally selective two body problems or mathematical cheats when traversing the solar system.

This is correct, but irrelevant.

You don't have a working model that can exist without these cheats.

It isn't a "cheat" to simplify intractable or complex problems into simpler solvable ones. This is a perfectly valid technique in science and engineering so long as the simplification is a good enough approximation of the reality. It demonstrably works - the Curiosity rover is sitting on Mars, your GPS works, the eclipse paths are predicted down to block level.

This sentence is hard to take seriously from someone who claims to believe in a model with no agreed map. While in the real world goods and people are transported around the globe on a daily basis, you are reduced to claiming that the distance from New York to Paris is "unknown" and that planes don't know how fast they're going. My gut feeling is that you don't believe any of this - you have alluded in the past to treating this place as a debating society. So you are probably debating from a viewpoint you don't hold as an intellectual exercise. Which is fine up to a point, but it becomes tiresome when you resort to such intellectual dishonesty. With a straight face you claim that the n-body problem is a "gotcha" for mainstream science, refusing to understand that it can be and has been modelled as multiple 2 body problems very successfully. Meanwhile you have a Wiki page about EA which has an equation on with no derivation, contains an unknown constant and has no predictive power or any practical use at all. Science is always open to new models replacing old ones, but the new one has to be better. Yours demonstrably isn't. If you can't find a working map - and we both know why that isn't possible - and you can't decide how many poles there are then it's hard to take any of your criticisms of mainstream science or claims to have discovered a better model seriously.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 30, 2022, 08:57:26 AM »

For those not in the UK, the Daily Mail is an awful rag whose sole purpose seems to be to make sure it’s readership are permanently furious about things

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Theory that Black Holes are Land Mass

« on: July 29, 2022, 09:09:20 PM »

If universal gravitation cannot be simulated then it doesn't work.

Well, firstly, what can be simulated in FE? What predictive power do any of your models or theories have?
By that criteria your model doesn't work at all.

Secondly, that's nonsense. A model doesn't have to be perfect to be useful. It's very common in science or engineering to simplify a problem from one which can't be solved to one that can. If the latter is good enough to have predictive power then it's useful. Our models of the solar system have got us to the moon, they've got craft to Mars, they can predict eclipse paths to the block level.

Loads of things can't be simulated accurately, put milk in your coffee and mix it - that's a chaotic system right there which can't be perfectly simulated. Does that mean your coffee doesn't now have milk in?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 29, 2022, 05:06:49 PM »

Thankfully I can't see him getting anywhere near a second term

Never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter.

Ha. Well yes, the UK voters are similarly idiotic.
But...it seems unlikely the Republican party would touch him again after January 6th. And even if they did, while all the cult members will still vote for Trump I doubt many others will. Trump won in 2016 in part because of an "anyone but Hillary" vote. If the Dems put anyone vaguely palatable then they would surely beat Trump even if he did stand.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 29, 2022, 03:34:56 PM »

It is all fake news.

Unbelievable...

It's just like all the suckers that fell for Trump's bullshit get-rich-quick scams.
But this time it's even more spectacular. Trump's people are on a nationally released video openly talking about what a scam it is and yet the dumbass suckers still sign up.

"It's not a scam! This time Trump's telling the truth! I'm going to flip my way to financial independence using the Donald's proven foreclosure real estate techniques. I'll make my $10,000 back in the first week."


The Trumpians remind me of the old saying:
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me over and over again means I'm a hopeless fucking idiot.

It's increasingly clear that Trumpism is a cult. The members don't see themselves that way but...I guess that's one of the things about being in a cult, you don't know you're in one.
Trump's thing about being able to shoot someone on 5th Avenue and it not costing him any votes was depressingly accurate - and a big clue to it all being a cult.
Most people assess leaders in the light of their actions. Not Trumpians. Trump is  their leader and the follow him unquestioningly. So the things he says and does are good...because it's Trump doing them.
Thankfully I can't see him getting anywhere near a second term so as damaging as this has all been for the country, in time I'd like to think that damage can be repaired.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Theory that Black Holes are Land Mass

« on: July 29, 2022, 07:40:15 AM »

We've been through this before Tom.

And you will again - or someone will, there's always someone willing to feed the troll it seems.
What Tom repeatedly fails to understand, or pretends to, is that breaking a problem which we currently can't solve down into smaller problems which we can is a perfectly valid technique. So long as the results are close enough a match to reality to be useful. Which they demonstrably in this case are given the accuracy with which celestial phenomena can be predicted.
One may pause at this point to consider the hypocrisy of pointing out this speck in RE's eye while with a straight face ignoring the log in the eye of FE which has no working map and has "theories" like EA which has an equation with no derivation, an unknown constant and has no predictive power whatsoever.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: HF Radio Signals, Propagation and DX.

« on: July 28, 2022, 06:26:44 PM »

We've been spraying chemtrails heavily since the early 1970's, just after the fake moon landing.  Flat Earth with dome catching the nano- metal particles in the concoction. This acts as the so called fake satellites. Bounce data and a proliferation of data towers everywhere.

And of course you have lots of good empirical peer reviewed evidence to back all that up.
May we see it?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« on: July 27, 2022, 03:55:58 PM »

Bananas don't kill people.
People kill people.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 27, 2022, 11:37:49 AM »

Why are you arguing with Tom?

This is always an excellent question.
Tom's argument is now reduced to "if you draw a straight line between the rioters and Pence then that line intersects walls".
I mean, that's true but humans tend to travel down the straight paths in between the walls, I believe they are called corridors.
And when a corridor ends they turn the corners.
It's clear trolling and not worth engaging with further.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 27, 2022, 09:29:20 AM »

Where are the walls and doors? Just follow the red arrows. Nary a wall nor a door along a simple straight path.

A child could see that that's not a straight path between those two points. Between those two points walls are in the way. You would need to navigate around the walls, through potentially locked doors. The image clearly does not illustrate the doors, and your posting it as evidence that the Capitol is a building entirely without doors is faulty.

"Navigate around walls...", "Not a straight path"  A child can't walk 10 feet down a hall, take a right, walk 20 feet,  take a left and walk 10 feet? There are no walls in the way. Your argument is that humans can't walk 40' down halls from point A to point B unless it's a straight path. Talk about a desperate argument.

What doors? Show the phantom doors? Show that they were locked. Just saying, "Oh well, there must be locked doors" is hardly compelling without any evidence. And it's not like the mob didn't already smash through doors and windows to get in in the first place...Why would a phantom locked door stop them

This is all a bit embarrassing. It seems that all we'd need to do, if we wanted to incarcerate Tom, is to put him round the corner from the open exit.
He would then spend his days fruitlessly bumping into the wall in the direction the exit is, not realising he only has to go along the corridor and then turn the corner to escape.
BuT ThErE's A WaLl In ThE WaY!11!!!!

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 27, 2022, 08:14:06 AM »

Ah, so now it's doors not walls. Apology accepted

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 27, 2022, 07:56:00 AM »

Anyone can see that there are several walls there between Pence and the protestors.

I have assumed they probably wouldn't have gone directly left and tried to burrow through the walls.
My 4 year old boy is apparently better at mazes than you, he helped me work out a route which doesn't go through walls:

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 25, 2022, 06:07:45 PM »

Anyone remember when The Buck Stops Here, was a thing?

Yes, and Trump fulfilled his responsibility.

That would work way better as an argument had it not been Trump who had stirred up the angry mob with months of unsubstantiated lies about how he (and therefore they) had been robbed. And all because he’s a narcissistic giant toddler who couldn’t accept that the country told him no. So protect his fragile ego he tried to rip the country apart rather than accepting the defeat graciously. Disgraceful really. It’s incredible how many cult members still defend him.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 23, 2022, 02:25:59 PM »

January hearings quick summary.

https://www.npr.org/2022/07/22/1112324462/jan-6-hearing-takeaways

The sad thing is that just like the Mueller Report, it's the object truth, in black and white, in their face, kicking their ass and the dim-witted right will still willfully ignore it. Like Nixon, everyone around Trump will go to jail and he'll walk away

Probably true, but one silver lining from all this is it now seems vanishingly unlikely that Trump will get another term. My nephew is convinced he will, but my nephew is wrong about most things (his other greatest hits this year being that Putin is about to start a nuclear war and that Boris Johnson would survive as PM - the latter he said the day before he resigned).
I can see the Republican Party touching him again. And even if they did, while all the cult members would vote for Trump no matter what, the reason Trump got in was in part because of a lot of “anyone but Hillary” voters. Surely a lot of those would become “anyone but Trump”.