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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« Last post by markjo on Today at 08:50:35 PM »

Parents can and do teach their children not to engage in incest.

Except for the parents engaging in the incest, of course.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« Last post by rooster on Today at 07:34:33 PM »

I guess you are right, but he should admit that there are some valid reasons for abortion even in his mind.

No, he won't. He is literally a troll.

To listen to some in this thread safe abortion enables slutty behavior.  That has to be the most ridiculously misogynistic concept I have ever heard.

Next thing is they will want to eliminate all forms of contraceptives.

Yes. He is a misogynistic troll.

Meeting him halfway to get him to admit to something he never will is just losing the argument that abortion shouldn't be banned for any specific reasons other than time limits. You don't need to engage with him on his level, it just gives him the attention to keep going.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« Last post by WTF_Yuppie on Today at 07:31:41 PM »

..... justify the personal irresponsibility of women.

Of course you meant, once again, to say the irresponsibility of men.  Either that or you're simply a sexist who thoroughly enjoys the patriarchy that the U.S. has always been and seems to be heading even further to being.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« Last post by BillO on Today at 07:27:26 PM »

I guess you are right, but he should admit that there are some valid reasons for abortion even in his mind.  Very few abortions, at least according to reports here in Canada, are simply for birth control reasons.  Nonetheless, women need access to safe abortion if for no other reason than it's their prerogative to decide whether or not they want a child.  After all an unwanted child will not likely have a great life.

To listen to some in this thread safe abortion enables slutty behavior.  That has to be the most ridiculously misogynistic concept I have ever heard.

Next thing is they will want to eliminate all forms of contraceptives.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« Last post by rooster on Today at 06:53:14 PM »

We could go on and on but perhaps you could respond to those 3.

Why? Why proceed with an argument based on the idea that all women should only have sex within a marriage and only require an abortion for some medical emergency or rape? Stop giving Troll Bishop any wiggle room with a stupid premise.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« Last post by BillO on Today at 06:46:45 PM »

The point is clearly that women can just get higher standards or opt for marriage.

Of course women can wait until marriage.  They very often do.  What about the following cases though:

1) A married woman gets pregnant by her husband but then finds out that she has a condition that puts both her and her child at a very high risk of death if she goes full term.

2) A woman get's raped and becomes pregnant but is in no position to be pregnant or support and care for a child.  An example here would be a woman on active duty in the armed forces or otherwise occupied in a life where being pregnant and giving birth are not possible.

3) The child will be born horribly disfigured to the extent they will have no quality of life whatsoever and will not survive, or will require constant medical support to 'live' that is far beyond the woman's ability to pay for.  For example born without a functioning major organ.

We could go on and on but perhaps you could respond to those 3.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« Last post by rooster on Today at 06:40:04 PM »

Yes, because no woman has ever, in the history of humanity, told her suiters that she was waiting until marriage.

Hmm, well are you arguing that all women should act like brain-washed, controlled, prudes or that we should have higher standards? You can only pick one because having higher standards does not equal being the virgin Mary. Or admit that you're a sexist troll and move on.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« Last post by stack on Today at 06:22:17 PM »

It does not matter if it occurred or not. The point is clearly that women can just get higher standards or opt for marriage.

One is not a connoisseur at birth. Only with a solid knowledge base and experience can one develop impeccable taste.

Yes, because no woman has ever, in the history of humanity, told her suiters that she was waiting until marriage.

How does one opt for higher standards and marriage in the case of rape or incest?

Parents can and do teach their children not to engage in incest.

Less than 1% of abortions occur to rape; you are attempting to use an extreme example to justify the personal irresponsibility of women.

If 1% is so inconsequential to you, why not just leave that exemption from the ban in the law?

I guess in your eyes, a woman dying from maternal causes is even more inconsequential than rape or incest:

In 2020, 861 women were identified as having died of maternal causes in the United States, compared with 754 in 2019 (3). The maternal mortality rate for 2020 was 23.8 deaths per 100,000 live births compared with a rate of 20.1 in 2019

What about the personal responsibility of men?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« Last post by stack on Today at 06:02:15 PM »

The bolded bit of SB 1257 is interesting. Example, if a physician determines that a woman is suicidal because of her rape or incest derived pregnancy and believes she will attempt suicide because of the pregnancy and s/he performs an abortion based upon that, that physician will be charged with a Class C felony.

It seems to delineate the authority and duties of a physician and a psychiatrist.

To an extent. Though a regular old physician can make a case for a patient being suicidal. You don't necessarily have to be a psychiatrist.

I think it simply removes the mental assessment and leaves the physical one only. In essence, one can no longer say "I'm going to kill myself if I have to carry my rapist's-fertilized egg to term," and get an abortion.

It just seems inhumane to me to force a woman to carry even just a fertilized egg (not even a heartbeat) to term even if it was fertilized as the result of incest and/or rape. There's something wrong with that.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« Last post by Tom Bishop on Today at 05:51:26 PM »

It does not matter if it occurred or not. The point is clearly that women can just get higher standards or opt for marriage.

One is not a connoisseur at birth. Only with a solid knowledge base and experience can one develop impeccable taste.

Yes, because no woman has ever, in the history of humanity, told her suiters that she was waiting until marriage.

How does one opt for higher standards and marriage in the case of rape or incest?

Parents can and do teach their children not to engage in incest.

Less than 1% of abortions occur to rape; you are attempting to use an extreme example to justify the personal irresponsibility of women.