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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Comprehensive explanation for sunsets

« Last post by Pete Svarrior on September 30, 2022, 09:54:16 AM »

The empirical evidence for EA seems to be the observations it is used to explain.

The idea that anyone should be "explaining observations" rather than drawing conclusions from them is at the core of the disagreement here. We're not trying to "explain sunsets", despite the repeated cries of those who claim to support science, but whose actions betray them. We observe, hypothesise, verify, and conclude.

EA is partially hypothesised, and at no point did verification suggest that there's any reason to stop developing the theory.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Comprehensive explanation for sunsets

« Last post by Tumeni on September 30, 2022, 09:35:42 AM »

I am not going to engage in any of your research projects.

My time is too valuable to surrender for free.

Yes, I have a basis for stating the atmoplane is a variable affecting the appearance of objects to individual viewers located at various distances from the object(s) in question.

I am relatively confident you and everyone else has heard of mirages, for instance.

To my mind, the next step would be for you to engage with my "project", and demonstrate how the "atmoplane" has affected it. But you won't. Vague hints in the direction of "mirages" do not make for a sound basis.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Comprehensive explanation for sunsets

« Last post by AllAroundTheWorld on September 30, 2022, 07:24:22 AM »

There is no empirical evidence light does as he proposes, so it gets no farther.

FE always seems to employ circular reasoning with things like this. If light bend upwards then sunset could occur on a FE.
How do we know light bends upwards? We get sunsets.

The empirical evidence for EA seems to be the observations it is used to explain.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Comprehensive explanation for sunsets

« Last post by Pete Svarrior on September 30, 2022, 07:09:20 AM »

This has been a very informative exercise.  Nobody that thinks perspective causes sunsets actually tested perspective.  No exceptions.

I don't think that conclusion is even remotely close to valid, nor will announcing it here help your endeavour. Most FE'ers approach you with open aggression. Part of that is just bias, sure, but antagonising them severely limits your chances at meaningful communication.

You may be thinking that you're going for the double-dog-dare approach. "Pah, nobody can take my challenge, try it, you won't!" It really doesn't work tho.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Russia doesn't invade, they recognize Donbass Republics: send in peacekeepers !

« Last post by crutonius on September 30, 2022, 06:29:01 AM »

Well I'm not going to lie.  I'm pretty disappointed that they voted to join Russia.  But a votes a vote.  I notice that the Ukrainian army appears to be driving Russian out of their own sovereign territory as of a day ago!

Perhaps Russia should take the matter to the UN.  They've always been extremely effective at resolving international disputes.  I have no doubt that a strong letter written by them to Ukraine should cause them to retreat.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Russia doesn't invade, they recognize Donbass Republics: send in peacekeepers !

« Last post by Tron on September 30, 2022, 05:00:05 AM »

Yes, perhaps not everybody voted but I I think there was an effort to include residents of the area, including those who fled to Russia.  It does seem like a high number.  Zelenskyy said he's concerned about people within these regions who may not be so quick to pick sides.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Russia doesn't invade, they recognize Donbass Republics: send in peacekeepers !

« Last post by Tom Bishop on September 30, 2022, 04:49:48 AM »

I haven't a clue what's true or not, but Russia reporting 98% voting in favor seems just a tad suspicious. I mean when in the world has anything like this legitimately resulted in 2% shy of 100%? I guess it could happen, but really, 98%?

Incorrect. It's 98% of those who voted, voted in favor of joining Russia.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Russia doesn't invade, they recognize Donbass Republics: send in peacekeepers !

« Last post by stack on September 30, 2022, 04:26:57 AM »

I haven't a clue what's true or not, but Russia reporting 98% voting in favor seems just a tad suspicious. I mean when in the world has anything like this legitimately resulted in 2% shy of 100%? I guess it could happen, but really, 98%?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Comprehensive explanation for sunsets

« Last post by MCToon on September 30, 2022, 03:45:35 AM »

Since my analysis concluded that sunsets could never happen, the analysis is wrong in your view, why would you want my analysis?

Presumably for the same reason you're trying to solicit an analysis from FE'ers. After all, we disagree with you, therefore we're wrong, so why would you want our position?

I was told I didn't understand the flat earth position.  So I went looking for an explanation.  Nobody other than you and Tom has anything resembling an effort at analysis.  Everyone else's response is "perspective" or refusing to provide anything.

This has been a very informative exercise.  Nobody that thinks perspective causes sunsets actually tested perspective.  No exceptions.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Russia doesn't invade, they recognize Donbass Republics: send in peacekeepers !

« Last post by Tron on September 30, 2022, 03:20:38 AM »

Why does anyone doubt that the some regions in eastern Ukraine would want to seperate themselves from the current Ukrainian government?  In 2014, the same government overthrew there Russian Guy who has since been in exile in Russia. ?