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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Lord Dave on June 13, 2025, 07:43:41 AM »

She was a good 10-20 feet away from the line.

if you get a direct hit in the torso at that range you are going to buckle over instantly and possibly bleed out since rubber bullets have a metal core and can penetrate the skin.

since all i have to go on is a performative tiktok video where the person filming switches it to selfie mode before "rendering aid" i am going to take it with a grain of salt. if she files a lawsuit and provides some evidence of injury i am happy to be proven wrong. my random hot take is that she didn't actually get hit. but since she would need medical attention if she did i am sure there will be evidence of any harm caused because in the best case you are looking at massive bruising. worst case is internal bleeding, ruptured spleen, broken rib(s), and other bad things.

Not all rubber bullets have a metal core.


So I found her tictok with the extended version.  Which doesn't show much in terms of new information or evidence.

I'm not gonna dismiss your claims because
1) no injuries were shown. Which is pretty important.
2) the woman never appears on camera close up so we can see her face.  Maybe intentional to avoid cops IDing her. 
3) no follow up information Or news outlets picking it up beyond the video.
4) in the tictok video she meets another protester who she talks to about it.  Doesn't mean anything but it's there so maybe another angle was gotten by someone else.

None of this proves one thing or another but it does make me doubt the validity of the claim tho the lack of info and follow up is easily explained away.

Which is a sad thing in this world.

The cop's gun recoils.
So unless the cop is in on it...he fired a shot.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by juner on June 13, 2025, 05:50:32 AM »

She was a good 10-20 feet away from the line.

if you get a direct hit in the torso at that range you are going to buckle over instantly and possibly bleed out since rubber bullets have a metal core and can penetrate the skin.

since all i have to go on is a performative tiktok video where the person filming switches it to selfie mode before "rendering aid" i am going to take it with a grain of salt. if she files a lawsuit and provides some evidence of injury i am happy to be proven wrong. my random hot take is that she didn't actually get hit. but since she would need medical attention if she did i am sure there will be evidence of any harm caused because in the best case you are looking at massive bruising. worst case is internal bleeding, ruptured spleen, broken rib(s), and other bad things.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Lord Dave on June 13, 2025, 04:26:15 AM »

LD, the expert cop.

The cops were doing what they are going to do.

You want that to change or if you have a real beef about it, move back to the US, stop being the griping AI bot, and change it.

The woman was likely a paid actor.

So you think it IS ok.
Glad we had this chat.

Also: paid actor?  Really?

Not gonna claim the cop was a paid actor too?  Since he shot her for the film?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Action80 on June 13, 2025, 02:49:03 AM »

LD, the expert cop.

The cops were doing what they are going to do.

You want that to change or if you have a real beef about it, move back to the US, stop being the griping AI bot, and change it.

The woman was likely a paid actor.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Tom Bishop on June 12, 2025, 07:38:09 PM »

When the famous billionaire owner is coming from out of town and appears in front of the building with his limo, obviously everyone will know about it.

Of course people would have known he was there, that doesn't mean they would have expected him to come barging in to their dressing room while they were getting changed.

It appears to me that you are repeating liberal falsities.

I'm repeating Trump:

“You know they’re standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women. And so I sort of get away with things like that.”

What's there to "get away with" if that's OK?

Obviously your tactic to keep defending the perversions of your cult leader is deny, deny, deny. Whatever helps you cope I guess.

You are referencing a comedy show where participants are encouraged to skew events to be as humorous or lewd as possible. Comedy sources are not a good way to get your information.

We have a witness who says that the reality was different. Trump did go backstage, but the participants were warned ahead of time. These pageants are fairly sensitive about this sort of thing and potential lawsuits from inappropriate behavior or sexual harassment

Another contestant throws doubts on your narrative:

https://www.tmz.com/2016/10/13/katie-blair-donald-trump-beauty-pageant-dressing-rooms/

Katie was Miss Teen USA '06 and Miss CA USA '11 ... and Trump owned both pageants at the time. We talked to her about her interactions with the boss, and while she admits there were plenty of situations for him to leer ... she insists it NEVER happened.

Katie says anyone who's had any experience with live TV would know there's an obvious reason why Trump couldn't have done many of the things some other pageant contestants have accused him of doing.

In the embedded video on this page she affirms that if Trump did go backstage, that the girls were well aware of it. She also points out that it is operationally unrealistic that some of what is claimed could happen during a live broadcast.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Lord Dave on June 12, 2025, 07:15:36 PM »

I was now able to see the video LD posted.

The woman said she was trying to get to her apartment.

A. There is no evidence provided she had any business in that area.

II. The police told her to leave the area.

c. She ignored the situation.

You guys were all here cheering on the draconian response to covfefe.

Spare us your wails of anguish over this incident as they ring hollow.

A) Well, she likely had an ID that had her address on it.  Which the police could have asked for.  But no... they didn't.  They didn't even GIVE her the chance to show she had business. 

B) Of course, like a good boy, I'm sure you'd be like "Yes sir, I'll just sleep in the streets tonight,sir." >_>  What about all that love of freedom?  Doesn't apply to cops?

C) I think her standing a good 20ft away was not an "I'm ignoring the situation" kinda thing.  If she tried to walk through the line then sure, I'd probably agree.  But she didn't. 

So, do you think shooting her, when she was far from the line, not in the area, claimed to have business there, AND posed no threat... was appropriate behavior?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Action80 on June 12, 2025, 06:54:57 PM »

I was now able to see the video LD posted.

The woman said she was trying to get to her apartment.

A. There is no evidence provided she had any business in that area.

II. The police told her to leave the area.

c. She ignored the situation.

You guys were all here cheering on the draconian response to covfefe.

Spare us your wails of anguish over this incident as they ring hollow.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by AATW on June 12, 2025, 03:29:36 PM »

When the famous billionaire owner is coming from out of town and appears in front of the building with his limo, obviously everyone will know about it.

Of course people would have known he was there, that doesn't mean they would have expected him to come barging in to their dressing room while they were getting changed.

It appears to me that you are repeating liberal falsities.

I'm repeating Trump:

“You know they’re standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women. And so I sort of get away with things like that.”

What's there to "get away with" if that's OK?

Obviously your tactic to keep defending the perversions of your cult leader is deny, deny, deny. Whatever helps you cope I guess.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by markjo on June 12, 2025, 02:56:17 PM »

Would you, like the woman, enter an area cordoned off by police?

If yes, what would you expect to happen?

Did you not even read the headlines?  She was trying to get home.  It was even in the url.

WATCH: Woman Shot by Police at Point Blank Range With Rubber Bullet While Trying to Get Home During LA Protests
"I live here, I live here," the woman insisted while crying

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Tom Bishop on June 12, 2025, 02:26:42 PM »

Actually they were once friends, but Trump banned Epstein from Mar-a-lago for being a pedophile.

Why would he have done that? Trump loves that sort of thing

Four women who competed in the 1997 Miss Teen USA beauty pageant also said the Republican used to walk in. Some of the girls were as young as 15.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-former-miss-arizona-tasha-dixon-naked-undressed-backstage-howard-stern-a7357866.html#

Trump has openly boasted about doing this and sexually assaulting women. He has been adjudicated as a rapist.

The lengths you have to go to in order to defend him are increasingly desperate

This is clearly incorrect. When the famous billionaire owner is coming from out of town and appears in front of the building with his limo, obviously everyone will know about it. The chaperones told them ahead of time when a visitor was coming. A participant of the 1997 Miss Teen USA event you referenced says that you are promoting lies:

https://nmpoliticalreport.com/2016/10/13/trump-backstage-activity-in-97-exaggerated-says-former-miss-teen-nm/

A former Miss Teen New Mexico contestant that year confirmed that Trump made his way backstage at the Miss Teen USA pageant, but told NM Political Report that some reports of his actions have been exaggerated.

Victoria Hughes, Miss Teen New Mexico in 1997, said she remembers chaperones “saying that we had a visitor and to get covered up,” but stopped short of accusing Trump of inappropriate behavior.

“While I do not support Donald Trump, stories about him barging in on teenage girls is not correct,” Hughes wrote in an email to NM Political Report. “Our chaperones would never have allowed that to happen, and no one, not even Donald, deserves to be lied about in this way.”

It appears to me that you are repeating liberal falsities.