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##### Flat Earth Community / Re: More fake moon landing proof.
« on: March 19, 2020, 10:53:15 AM »
Holy cow...if a bullet remains the same size while it is traveling down the barrel, then how on earth do we conduct ballistics testing?

Tell us what you think happens as the bullet travels down the length of the barrel.

Does it expand or contract lengthwise? Does it expand or contract across the diameter of the barrel?

Does it change in size again when it leaves the barrel?

Are you referring to Internal Ballistics?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_ballistics

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##### Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Proof of Flat Earth in DFW, Texas?? You decide!
« on: March 19, 2020, 12:49:32 AM »
Why should my diagram "account for" curvature when it is explicitly based on a presumption of a flat plane?

Right. I mean Why address the gigantic hole in your argument--the missing curve?

We don't need you to explain WHY we can see the buildings perfectly on a Flat Plane. We know WHY we can see them--because it's a Flat Plane!

This is hilarious.

You don't see that the observation in the photo is inconsistent with the sightlines which would apply, IF the plane below the various land features were presumed to be flat?

If it were flat, the photographer would be looking up from 850 to 991, and the 650 hill in the middle would not intrude on this sightline

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##### Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Proof of Flat Earth in DFW, Texas?? You decide!
« on: March 19, 2020, 12:32:21 AM »
This is hilarious. Didn't read my previous post AT ALL

Re; Texas photo.

Let us presume the base level from which all the heights are measured is a flat plane.

Let us examine the geometry of the hills and buildings, how that would fit with that flat plane, and whether that geometry accords with what we see in the photo. Shall we?

Why should my diagram "account for" curvature when it is explicitly based on a presumption of a flat plane?

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##### Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Proof of Flat Earth in DFW, Texas?? You decide!
« on: March 18, 2020, 11:21:06 PM »
The photographer says we can just see the ball of Reunion Tower above the intervening land.

The intervening land is lower than the photographer, yielding a downward sightline over the peak of that land. A downward sightline should reach the area of Reunion Tower somewhere below 650 feet, then. But it does not.

Why would that be?

The top of the tower is only just visible above the intervening land, and the top of the tower, at 991 feet, is above the photographer, who is presumed at 800 - 850.

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##### Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Proof of Flat Earth in DFW, Texas?? You decide!
« on: March 18, 2020, 10:45:11 PM »
Re; Texas photo.

Let us presume the base level from which all the heights are measured is a flat plane.

Let us examine the geometry of the hills and buildings, how that would fit with that flat plane, and whether that geometry accords with what we see in the photo. Shall we?

Shall we calculate the angles, and see where the downward sightline should lead?

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##### Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Proof of Flat Earth in DFW, Texas?? You decide!
« on: March 18, 2020, 10:29:54 PM »
Re; Texas photo.

Let us presume the base level from which all the heights are measured is a flat plane.

Let us examine the geometry of the hills and buildings, how that would fit with that flat plane, and whether that geometry accords with what we see in the photo. Shall we?

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##### Flat Earth Community / Re: More fake moon landing proof.
« on: March 18, 2020, 09:33:44 PM »
The bullet expands inside the cylinder...

Hogwash, the bullet remains the same size at all times

The same way the piston in rings expand to fill the cylinder.

Hogwash, there's nothing on a bullet that can expand

Causing the gasses to expand behind it.

The bullet doesn't cause gases to expand, the ignited propellant is what does that

Which gasses, pushing off the bullet, cause the gun to recoil.

So you agree the expanding gases push against the back of the bullet, and the inside of the casing as well?

I understand perfectly.

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##### Flat Earth Community / Re: More fake moon landing proof.
« on: March 18, 2020, 12:54:54 PM »
A poor analogy and a strawman.

... which YOU introduced to start with... nobody mentioned a wall before you did.

Exhaust leaves the engine at high speed, pushing air backward and outward. In the area surrounding the rear of the engine, the air is merely a passenger, pushed, pulled and dragged along by the exhaust.

In the same way that ripples on a pond eventually dissipate with distance from centre, the effect of the exhaust dissipates with distance and time. This is clearly due the presence of the air, and the atmospheric pressure of the air.

But that cannot transfer energy to the body of the craft. By the time the surrounding air has slowed the exhaust to stop, or by the time it has had any significant influence on its speed, the exhaust and the air are far away from the craft.

So how can they influence the craft at this stage?

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##### Flat Earth Community / Re: More fake moon landing proof.
« on: March 18, 2020, 11:03:01 AM »
If the exhaust pushes atmosphere away from the craft, it cannot be getting an opposite reaction from it.
Once again, it has too...or the ENTIRE atmoplane is GONE...are you still breathing?

It cannot be getting an opposite reaction from air that has been pushed away from the craft.

Exhaust leaves engine, pushes surrounding air back and outward away from the rear of the engine, in the case of a typical passenger jet, hundreds of metres away .... how can the air at this distance be providing any 'push' to the airframe of the craft?

To use your analogy, how much push can you get off the wall if the wall is on frictionless castors, and moves away from you when you push it?
Ever seen a wall on frictionless casters?

I never have.

No, because it's an ANALOGY, one that you introduced. Have you ever seen an atmosphere that stays in one place, the way that a wall does? I never have.

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##### Technology & Information / Re: Just look at this...
« on: March 17, 2020, 04:14:08 PM »
I see depictions of orbits up to around the 55sec point.

Why don't you see them?

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##### Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 17, 2020, 01:39:23 PM »
Regardless, there is no requirement for people to be insured.

A lot of people I know go without it by choice.

So what? Your question was "how many" in the country, and I told you (approximately).

What happens in your close circle is not relevant to this
You told me a number...

A highly doubtful number...

Kinda matches up with the reported number of illegal immigrants in the country.

I gave you an approximation, which is that between 25 and 35% of the country have NO or INADEQUATE health insurance. They are unable to pay for their healthcare, and therefore must go without healthcare.

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##### Flat Earth Community / Re: More fake moon landing proof.
« on: March 17, 2020, 01:36:47 PM »
No, you've misunderstood the intent of my bolding, so I shall re-do this

Jets take in air, add fuel (or even sometimes extra fuel, known as afterburners) and that hot air is ejected out the aft, pushing against the atmosphere, resulting in an opposite reaction called thrust, causing the jet to move forward.

If the exhaust pushes atmosphere away from the craft, it cannot be getting an opposite reaction from it.

To use your analogy, how much push can you get off the wall if the wall is on frictionless castors, and moves away from you when you push it?

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##### Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 17, 2020, 12:09:45 PM »
Regardless, there is no requirement for people to be insured.

A lot of people I know go without it by choice.

So what? Your question was "how many" in the country, and I told you (approximately).

What happens in your close circle is not relevant to this

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##### Flat Earth Community / Re: More fake moon landing proof.
« on: March 17, 2020, 12:04:21 PM »
Jets take in air, add fuel (or even sometimes extra fuel, known as afterburners) and that hot air is ejected out the aft, pushing against the atmosphere, resulting in an opposite reaction called thrust, causing the jet to move forward.

No. Like the rocket, the jet exhaust pushes the atmosphere away from the engine. Large quantities of exhaust move large quantities of air, with the associated high volume of sound that goes with it. There's a lot of sound because there's a lot of movement of the air, away from the craft.

If the atmosphere resisted, this would not occur.

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##### Flat Earth Community / Re: More fake moon landing proof.
« on: March 17, 2020, 09:56:16 AM »
Further quotes from popular science sources;

https://www.explainthatstuff.com/jetengine.html

"In brief, you can see that each main part of the engine does a different thing to the air or fuel mixture passing through:

- Compressor: Dramatically increases the pressure of the air (and, to a lesser extent) its temperature.
- Combustion chamber: Dramatically increases the temperature of the air-fuel mixture by releasing heat energy from the fuel.
- Exhaust nozzle: Dramatically increases the velocity of the exhaust gases, so powering the plane."

"When we talk about jet engines, we to tend think of rocket-like tubes that fire exhaust gas backward. Another basic bit of physics, Newton's third law of motion, tells us that as a jet engine's exhaust gas shoots back, the plane itself must move forward. It's exactly like a skateboarder kicking back on the pavement to go forward; in a jet engine, it's the exhaust gas that provides the "kick". In everyday words, the action (the force of the exhaust gas shooting backward) is equal and opposite to the reaction (the force of the plane moving forward); the action moves the exhaust gas, while the reaction moves the plane."

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##### Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 17, 2020, 09:35:01 AM »
You're off by about 100 million. Its about 320 million in America.

OK, that's fine. 82/320 = approx 25%, not 35%

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##### Flat Earth Community / Re: More fake moon landing proof.
« on: March 17, 2020, 09:31:52 AM »
The reason the publication is called "Popular" Science, and not "Applied Science", "Complex Science" or "Advanced Science" is specifically that it is targeted at the General Populace. The man in the street. The average citizen.

It's not a research paper, it's not a comprehensive text on the topic, it's a broad-brush summary, where complex matters are simplified, and set out in terms that are understandable to that audience.

With simplification comes lack of precision with regard to descriptive terms.

This has to be borne in mind when quoting from it and claiming absolute certaintly with regard to isolated phrases pulled from it.

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##### Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 17, 2020, 12:12:58 AM »
Because you guys keep writing about the need for this stuff, but seem to not have the actual specifics about WHO is involved.

How many of these people exist in the US?

Millions. What do you want? Names? Numbers? Cities most affected? States most affected?

EDIT
Alicia suffers from Multiple Sclerosis and is uninsured. She has two children (ages 10 & 12) who take care of her at home. She is confined to a wheelchair and can't afford home care.

44 million Americans are uninsured, and eight out of ten of these are workers or their dependents. Why is being uninsured a problem?

About 44 million people in this country have no health insurance, and another 38 million have inadequate health insurance. This means that nearly one-third of Americans face each day without the security of knowing that, if and when they need it, medical care is available to them and their families.

(https://www.pbs.org/healthcarecrisis/uninsured.html)

44+38 = 82 million.

Population is, I believe, total 240 million or so, so that is (82 divided by 240) = 35% of the country with no or inadequate health insurance.

35%.

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##### Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 14, 2020, 09:19:04 PM »
Can you point specifically to who needs it?

FFS, anyone who needs medical treatment and CANNOT AFFORD TO PAY FOR IT....

Why does this need to be clarified for you?

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##### Flat Earth Theory / Re: What is agreed upon?
« on: March 14, 2020, 04:58:27 PM »
I am not sure what you mean, as all maps are flat.
And all flat maps are very definitive.
It has been years since I have run across an inaccurate flat map.

The same can be said of any technical drawing, architect's drawing, or schematic of a device or item of manufacture.

All have, at least until the advent of CAD, been drawn on flat sheets of paper, as a representation of a 3D object.

That maps are drawn the same way does not make what they represent flat.

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