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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: April 02, 2020, 11:45:16 PM »
Secret Service just ordered $45,000 of golf cart rentals at Trump National Golf Club this weekend.

Can you guess why?

https://imgur.com/gallery/Pd9025s

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: April 02, 2020, 11:25:59 PM »
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/04/trump-fired-pandemic-response-jared-kushner-coronavirus.html#comments

Damn, that Jared Kushner can do anything! I'm surprised he hasn't solved world hunger yet, surely he has a solution in mind.

This is terrifying.

"... reports that, in one meeting, the presidential son-in-law insisted that he had mastered the problem of ventilator disbursement. “I have all this data about ICU capacity. I’m doing my own projections, and I’ve gotten a lot smarter about this."

Wow. That really inspires confidence. Not.

"There is no chance that bringing in a rich kid who happened to marry into the family to direct the federal government’s response to a catastrophic pandemic is an optimal, or even reasonable, management structure."

Spot on.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: April 02, 2020, 11:21:04 PM »
Trump sez "Nobody saw this pandemic coming". Biden did.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/04/nobody-expected-the-coronavirus-pandemic-joe-biden-did.html

"...  Biden ...  wrote an op-ed on January 27 warning that Trump had left the country unprepared to handle the coronavirus outbreak, and proposing steps to counter it. One of his main advisers, Ron Klain, wrote an op-ed making similar points five days before that."

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Black Holes and Paper Cuts
« on: April 02, 2020, 11:03:45 PM »
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So you would agree that the surfaces of the seas and oceans can be regarded as following this foundational straight line?

Yes, on large scales.

OK, so you go to the water's edge and construct a tower of 100 metre height, which you can climb and look out from atop it.

Out on the sea, you construct another tower, also 100m high.

Do you agree that the flat plane of the sea, the two towers of the same height, and the sightline from top of one to the other form a perfect rectangle, with the sightline parallel to the surface of the sea?

Y/N

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: April 02, 2020, 05:51:37 PM »
Tues 31 Mar "Trump to roll back Obama-era clean car rules in huge blow to climate fight"

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/mar/31/trump-epa-obama-clean-car-rules-climate-change

and ...

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2017/03/how-trump-is-changing-science-environment/

It's almost like he WANTS to make the environment worse for Americans...

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: April 02, 2020, 05:29:46 PM »
Tom

March 6, Trump visits the Centre for Disease Control, and can't help blathering about his phone call with the Ukranian president - ""The [coronavirus] tests are all perfect. Like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. This was not a perfect as that, but pretty good.""

Same visit, he seems to want the folks on board a cruise ship to die in order to keep the numbers down on the mainland - "I like the numbers being where they are. I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship"

There you go. Just two examples of the despicable nature of Trump

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/18/coronavirus-donald-trump-timeline

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: April 02, 2020, 05:23:23 PM »
... goes on to describe the despicable nature of the media.

Trump's administration disbanded/stramlined the global pandemic office in early 2018.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2020/03/18/coronavirus-did-president-trumps-decision-disband-global-pandemic-office-hinder-response/5064881002/

When asked about that now, Trump describes it as a "nasty question". That's Trump's despicable nature, right there.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Black Holes and Paper Cuts
« on: April 02, 2020, 05:07:46 PM »
.... yes, you could view a drawn straight line as a foundational point.

So you would agree that the surfaces of the seas and oceans can be regarded as following this foundational straight line?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Black Holes and Paper Cuts
« on: April 02, 2020, 04:35:29 PM »
Really, you're getting hung up on the word 'disc?'

I'm not. You introduced at as though I spoke of it, and I said I did not. How is that ME getting "hung up" on it?

What you're actually saying is 'in applictaion to all FE models where the underlying physics I am appealing to are as I imagine them to be, ie the RE model.'

No, I didn't say that all, I specifically asked you not to do this. Don't put words into my mouth. Address what I'm actually saying, not what you think I want to say.

In consideration of ANY type of Flat Earth model, the starting point is a straight line on a piece of paper or computer screen, is it not? Y/N

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: April 02, 2020, 04:21:38 PM »
I remember when the world thought that GW Bush was the dumbest president ever ... Oh, how we were wrong.

Yesterday "Trump started his coronavirus briefing by talking up a Defense Dept. effort to stop narcotics from coming into the U.S. on the same day the death toll from COVID-19 surpassed the number who died in the September 11th terror attacks. "

Dontcha think, Tom, that he has his priorities all wrong?


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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: April 02, 2020, 03:34:12 PM »
Imagine being a liberal democrat and hoping that people die just to make Trump look bad.

Don't need that to happen for him to look bad. He manages that by walking out in public in his oversized suits, Kim-Jong-Un pants, carefully-tended strawberry blonde coiffe, facial paint, and everytime he opens his mouth.

Honestly, the child cast from Young Sheldon are better public speakers, and far more coherent than POTUS 45. Funnier, too.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Black Holes and Paper Cuts
« on: April 02, 2020, 03:26:37 PM »
Really? How are you making any claim about what is or isn't possible under FET if you aren't using any FE models?
Oh, wait, your idea of a model is 'everything functions exactly as it does under RET only on a disc,'

I didn't say anything about a disc. Please don't put words into my mouth. Respond to what I say, not what you want me to say, nor what you think I'm not saying.

something no actual FEer believes, but that's all you're capable of arguing against because you're still blindly following RET. That's why comparing models help. It makes you not look like a joke.

If the underlying plane of the Earth, upon which heights and levels are based, is anything other than a straight line, we cannot be talking about a Flat Earth anymore.  If it has a convex or concave aspect, when considered in a side view, it ain't flat.

So, in consideration of ANY Flat Earth model, the starting point is a straight line on a piece of paper or computer screen, is it not?

This applies whether it's a discworld or not.

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And here is where we are going to differ.
You believe there is such a thing as outer space.
I do not.

....which renders all of your arguments about types of imaging and photography from space totally moot.

It's as if you're arguing about seafaring methods of navigation, but you don't believe the oceans and seas exist.

Or quibbling about whether the lumberjack used a chainsaw or a handsaw when you don't believe there's a forest.   

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: FE maps and Tectonic Plates
« on: April 02, 2020, 10:57:07 AM »
Never heard of the place.

Yes, you have. You just read and quoted my post where I mentioned it explicitly.

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It could be, but even that is altered, as is obvious to the objective viewer.

Is there any qualification to this, other than you say so?

Well, a scanner on a satellite doesn't take a single image of a hand.

It runs over select areas and then turns out a stitched image.

I can select the areas of my hand that I want to scan, could scan all fingers and thumb separately from the palm, and stitch them together later to make a stitched image.

If I did this, would you assert that I had not actually scanned it?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: FE maps and Tectonic Plates
« on: April 02, 2020, 10:50:06 AM »
Thanks, I missed that part.

I didn't click any of the links on the page that popped up.

Now, which school of Earth Sciences is this?

And why is it 20 years old?

Oh, come on ... you don't really need THIS much help, do you?

It's a school within Leeds University in the UK.   leeds.ac.uk in the URL. 

The University itself was founded in 1904. As I'm sure you can appreciate, it has changed since then ...

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Most of NASA's stuff are images created by things such as scanners, not point and shoot cameras.

Most? So you accept that some of their output is from "point and shoot cameras"?

However ... I have a scanner next to my desk. If I place my hand on the scanner glass, and start the scanner, I end up with a scan of my hand. If I pick up my phone or camera, and press the shutter to take a photo of my hand, I still end up with a scan of it. One focuses an optical device on segments of a full-size scanner glass, the other focuses the scene through a lens onto an optical device with a matrix of optical receptors.

Both results are taken from a real hand. So I don't see how you justify the rejection of the scanned one, simply because a scanner has been used.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: FE maps and Tectonic Plates
« on: April 02, 2020, 10:29:26 AM »
But why is it that only NASA can seem to prove it?

No one could really prove it without NASA to tell them that their theories were correct. Funny that.

They were, until the last few years, the only space agency with launch and operation capability in the US.
 
An analogy for you, Tom.

You live in a two-storey building with three others - Fred, Joe, and Sam.

Sam is the only one with a stepladder. You and the others do not have a stepladder, and you cannot afford one.

So you ask Sam to clean the upstairs windows, since he's the one with the stepladder.

Is there anything suspicious about this arrangement? 

Substitute NASA for Sam and you have the reason why people collaborate with NASA to operate stuff in space.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: FE maps and Tectonic Plates
« on: April 02, 2020, 10:23:54 AM »
Who authored that dubious webpage?

Oh, come on.... you can't follow the link within it?

https://www.see.leeds.ac.uk/structure/dynamicearth/index.htm

"Welcome to teaching resources to support dynamic earth and tectonics teaching in the School of Earth Sciences. These are currently being constructed. New material is being added as available. Material on this site is primarily designed for the first year module (called Dynamic Earth) here in Leeds but there is more too. We hope you find it useful.

Rob Butler October 2001.
web authoring: Clare Gordon"

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Black Holes and Paper Cuts
« on: April 01, 2020, 11:30:41 PM »
I said several times over I'm fine with experiments, and encouraged doing so. My objection was only the belief that it was the only way to compare models, when you can also compare quality and quantity of assumptions.

I've seen the same experiment repeated over and over, and done the experiment myself. The conclusion from the experiment is
that the Earth is decidedly Not Flat.

It's not a question of comparing "models", it's simply a case of applying simple, school-level geometry to the observation, and finding that that geometry, if we presume the surface to be flat, does not fit with the observation.

The only assumption that needs to be made is that Pythagoras was correct with his theorem of right-angle triangles.   

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