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Start the 24 hour clock on the September Equinox point where it is 12PM Solar Noon at the point of the Equinox and it will end on ~6PM after one Solar Year. Why would it not stop at 12PM if you are in the same position on the earth's orbit around the sun, as per the diagrams?

.. because the diagrams are an approximation, not an exactness.

Work through the data for each day from 1 - 182.5 and calculate the angles, as per the diagram in the first few pages (EDIT - Reply #135, and in the Wikipedia page for Solar Time (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_time)), which illustrated the sidereal day. See what happens when you work with actual data, not high-level illustrations.

 

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The equinox doesn't happen at the same time every year. Boom, mystery solved. That's what we've been telling you this whole time. If the September equinox of 2023 happens on the 20th, at solar noon local time, the September equinox of 2024 happens on the 20th at around 18:00 local time. It does not occur at solar noon year to year at any location on Earth, and it would be an extraordinary coincidence if it did.

AND, Tom, to go back to your diagram on the first page, it shows the equinoxes and solstices on two possible days in each instance.

Please consider why.

1303
Dude the SpaceX footage is fake ...

Which footage? The Falcon Heavy / Tesla? Something else?

1304
Flat Earth Investigations / Re: NASA Live Stream
« on: April 26, 2018, 08:45:16 AM »
You'd agree that the YouGov poll covered an exclusively American base, though, wouldn't you ... ?

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See the diagram above. The Solar Day has to be the same when the earth returns back to the same Equinox point in relation to the sun. It's looking at the sun at the same position.

The diagrams you cite here, and at the beginning of the thread, are both approximations, not exactnesses (!).

They're intended to show a high-level, general principle of how things work. They have no data, they are merely illustrative. I'll say that again - they have no low-level data (numbers 'n' stuff). 

For actual data, you need to look at astronomical textbooks, papers, journals, etc. and see how astronomers of the past figured this stuff out from first principles and their observations.

 I'm sure the data, from year upon year upon year of actual observation, is out there to be found, but you won't find it from skimming webpages and lifting diagrams from those pages intended for student or general public audiences.

It will be in the work done by astronomers of university level or beyond. You may need to do some groundwork to find it. It will most likely be in real books, in libraries, and you may need to expend some effort to find it, including asking librarians to retrieve little-used tomes from dusty, remote archives. 

Are you willing to do this?

Or is it truly beyond the scope of the 30 mins per day that you devote to this field? If so, just say so.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: NASA Live Stream
« on: April 26, 2018, 08:16:38 AM »
It's the intellectual equivalent of believing in what Uri Geller is telling us because he totally showed us his abilities.

No, it isn't. Geller has never controlled an illusion viewable by the whole wide world, repeatedly, every 90 minutes, over a number of years. Not only does the ISS appear on schedule, bang on time, every time, but it also never fails to show up, and can sometimes e seen twice in one evening. It shows no deviation of course from that published in advance. It shows no behaviour that would suggest it to be an illusion, trick, or something other than an orbital craft orbiting at roughly 17k mph.

If it were an illusion, it would be an absolutely miraculous one.




And shouting "FAKE!" at everything which doesn't fit your world view doesn't make you inquisitive, it's just denial.
It's a good thing I'm not doing that, then.

.. you must admit, though, there are plenty of your fellow members and believers outwith this society who do.


And you really need to stop conflating a growth in interest in the society (which is mostly people pointing and laughing) with growth in the society itself.
Perhaps you need to stop assuming that you have a better insight into the growth of the Flat Earth movement than members of the movement itself? Again, your thoughts and feelings are extremely insignificant in this case, since you're hardly in touch with many FE'ers.

Do you have membership numbers, growth rates, or any other stats?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Horizon is Always at Eye Level
« on: April 25, 2018, 09:37:28 PM »
Define "eye-level".

And also, we've discussed this at length before and the flat earthers didn't understand any of the evidence presented.

Wasn't there an experiment performed a short while ago that soundly disproved this, using a u-tube filled with coloured water?


1308
I'm starting to think alot of Round Heads are Liberals ...

Only the American ones?

1309
Tom, we're up to 12 pages now, and as far as I can see, there's NOBODY who even slightly agrees with you.

Don't you think this might be telling you .... something?

1310
Flat Earth Investigations / Re: NASA Live Stream
« on: April 25, 2018, 11:57:45 AM »
...  it is obviously CGI. It's just another plot by nasa to convert us to Globeheads.

Why is it "obvious"?

Given that it takes Hollywood studios months to generate the SFX to go into their blockbusters, dontcha find it a bit improbable that NASA and the other ISS agencies (you do know what the 'I' stands for, don't you?) would be able to churn this out every day, day after day....?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Celebrity chef involved in faking space travel
« on: April 25, 2018, 09:23:42 AM »
This isn't really a debate topic
Astutely observed. Treep is a fairly transparent troll who does not appear to be interested in debate.

... and that's petty name-calling. The type of thing a moderator would be likely to take a globe-earther to task for.

Treep seems to be on-topic every time, as far as I can see. Not troll-like behaviour at all.

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Equinox is just the sun passing the equatorial plane, its not a fixed point.

... as shown by the equinoxes shown over two days in the illustration which started this thread.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Question from a physicist
« on: April 25, 2018, 08:02:01 AM »
Wait, I've thought that we understand gravity very well... What did I miss?

Most every flattie on YouTube, who thinks gravity is "just an unproven theory"

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Not needed. Look below.
VID

It's a 7 year long research done by many scientists to find the real shape of our earth. They're either all very good liars or we actually live on a flat earth where  BIGGER LIERS  have constructed a false "Global" reality to hid something from us.  I wouldn't be surpised, ONE BIG LIE (Moon landing) and all the puffed up pride  has just led to series of lies that have gone too far (that's it's not funny anymore).

See my responses on the other threads where you posted this mockumentary

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The length of the day on a flat earth
« on: April 25, 2018, 07:32:01 AM »
(Since you posted the video to two threads, I repeat what I said on the other ..)

Here you go.
VID

It's a 7 year long research done by many scientists to find the real shape of our earth.

There's no proof they are or were "scientists". No statement of qualifications, no indication of what work they've done, etc.

They're either all very good liars or we actually live on a flat earth where  BIGGER LIERS  have constructed a false "Global" reality to hid something from us.  I wouldn't be surpised, ONE BIG LIE (Moon landing) and all the puffed up pride  has just led to series of lies that have gone too far (that's it's not funny anymore).

It's a mockumentary. A Spinal Tap for flat-earthers.

A bunch of high-profile FEers on YouTube mirrored it on the day of release, and within a couple of days, they'd pulled it because they realised they'd been had.

Look on YouTube. Not hard to find retractions and backpedalling.

It supposedly took 7 years to make, but nobody ages during this.
At one point, they claim a reading of 15 km, but this is voiced over a display which shows 1.5km
It even has a Cast List in the end credits, and most of the cast seem to be the extended family of the lead role.
The lead role has intitials 'UFO'
Googling provides NO data for any of the cast, apart from the 'Music Critic' listed. Wouldn't you expect SOMETHING about them, IF they were real scientists ...?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Flat earth map is wrong
« on: April 25, 2018, 07:26:40 AM »
Here you go.
VID

It's a 7 year long research done by many scientists to find the real shape of our earth.

There's no proof they are or were "scientists". No statement of qualifications, no indication of what work they've done, etc.

They're either all very good liars or we actually live on a flat earth where  BIGGER LIERS  have constructed a false "Global" reality to hid something from us.  I wouldn't be surpised, ONE BIG LIE (Moon landing) and all the puffed up pride  has just led to series of lies that have gone too far (that's it's not funny anymore).

It's a mockumentary. A Spinal Tap for flat-earthers.

A bunch of high-profile FEers on YouTube mirrored it on the day of release, and within a couple of days, they'd pulled it because they realised they'd been had.

Look on YouTube. Not hard to find retractions and backpedalling.

It supposedly took 7 years to make, but nobody ages during this.
At one point, they claim a reading of 15 km, but this is voiced over a display which shows 1.5km
It even has a Cast List in the end credits, and most of the cast seem to be the extended family of the lead role.
The lead role has intitials 'UFO'
Googling provides NO data for any of the cast, apart from the 'Music Critic' listed. Wouldn't you expect SOMETHING about them, IF they were real scientists ...?

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The Mean Solar Day does not fit into the number of Mean Solar Days in a Mean Solar Year.
The Mean Solar Day is 24 Hours Per Day and the Mean Solar Year is 365.24217 Mean Solar Days.

Of course it won't 365.24 days is not a whole number of days. It matters not whether there are 24 hours in the day or not, if you define a year as 365.24 days, then a whole number of days does not 'fit'.

The clue is in the 0.24.

Over four years, the 0.24s are accumulated into an extra 0.96 or so (4*0.24), and this forms the extra day of the leap year.

1318
You are showing me systems and numbers that are not based on multiples.

You're cherry-picking your systems to only select those which fit your needs.

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What IS the problem?

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I'm not manipulating anything. You will get whole numbers from units in measuring systems that are based on multiples.

... if you pick the multiples to fit the result you want

1 Barrel = 36 Gallons
1 Gallon = 4 Quarts

In this measuring system 4 and 36 share a common factor.

36 Gallons / 4 Quarts = 9. Whole Number. 4 will fit into 36. This fluid measuring system is constant (at least between these two entities).

Now:

1 Year = 360 Days
1 Day = 24 Hours

360 Days / 24 Hours = 15. Whole Number. 24 will fit into 360. This measurement system is constant.

Congratulations. You have calculated that one twenty-fourth of 360 = 15. Nothing else.


1 pound = 20 shillings
1 shilling = 12 pence

20/12 = 1.66666

What does this tell you? That British currency is/was not a 'constant' system? What does that even mean, outwith your own head?

1 mile = 8 furlongs
1 furlong = 10 chains
1 chain = 66 feet
1 foot = 12 inches

Take your pick of which one you would divide by which other (8/12? 10/12? 66/12?), for I think everyone except you has lost track of what point you think you're making....

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