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Technology & Information / Re: Should I become a console peasant?
« on: September 27, 2020, 04:19:24 PM »
I can't be a console peasant or a member of the PC master race because scalpers and their bots have bought everything. 🤬

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: A question to our resident Brexiteer
« on: September 27, 2020, 11:25:19 AM »

Enjoy your crime and wage depression you stupid Swiss morans.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: A question to our resident Brexiteer
« on: September 27, 2020, 05:06:43 AM »
Should anyone care, today the Swiss go to the polls to vote on if they wish to retain free movement of people with the EU.

Thork's prediction: They are going to vote to vote leave, of course.

Now the Swiss have been told that they are not members of the EU, but they are signed up to many of the things EU membership requires and they have a form of membership even if everyone denies it. They've had the same creeping EU crap that Britain had where you sign up for a trade deal and 40 years later you find you are a vassal state.

Predictably the Swiss are being urged by their politicians not to vote out and are under the same media onslaught and subjected to the same lies about how it will rain frogs if they do. They will still vote out.

Hidden in the BBC article is the reason they will vote out.
Quote from:
The population has risen by two million, from 6.6 million in 1990 to 8.6 million in 2020, and about 25% are non-Swiss and primarily from the EU.
You're at the point where the Swiss will start losing elections to the will of immigrants and if they don't act soon, will lose their country to foreign marauders forever.

I'm very much hoping to see another nail in the socialist machine ... we find out tomorrow.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« on: September 24, 2020, 06:55:39 PM »
Business culture.  By aiming the son of the US VP was on their board, they appear both more legitimate and far reaching.  Which, for other Ukrainian business, that sounds like you're amazing and really have your shit together.  It was like taking a $30 shoe, giving it to a basketball player to wear, and selling it for $150 because "Famous basketball player wears our shoes so they must be good."

You think Hunter Biden has celebrity cache like Michael Jordan and that people will buy more Ukrainian gas because ... 'Hunter Biden'?

Gas is a global commodity. It isn't like a pair of shoes. It trades on the global markets and has a set price. You don't get more for your gas because 'Hunter Biden!'.

I fail to see how the inexperienced addition of the son of a US politician adds to your legitimacy nor do I see how your global company becomes more far reaching when people whisper in hushed tones 'Hunter Biden'.

If I was a Ukrainian Oligarch and my company was being investigated by the UK serious fraud office and all my assets were frozen ... What I'd be hoping is that by hiring the son of the US vice president, that VP might feel he owes me a favour and puts pressure on other nations and so they unfreeze my assets and the case mysteriously collapses. Which by complete coincidence is exactly what happened.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« on: September 24, 2020, 06:31:33 PM »
So why did Burisma Holdings hire Hunter Biden, please?

Please give me your reason for this occurrence and why this Ukrainian company gave away $millions to this particular individual in exchange for zero expertise, experience or labour.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« on: September 24, 2020, 05:01:24 PM »
It doesn't mean you aren't defending an absolute piece of shit human who sold his country out to enrich his family.

I’m not defending Trump. This thread is about Biden.

If there was even the smallest sign of impropriety, you can be sure the GOP would have cried bloody murder.

Pretty sure the GOP aren't the party that cry bloody murder every two minutes.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« on: September 24, 2020, 04:35:58 PM »
My father didn't threaten another nation and try to blackmail them in order to get me a job in a chocolate factory.

Also, you are looking for your next President. Why the hell aren't you concerned with principles?

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« on: September 24, 2020, 04:32:32 PM »
Republicans found there was no conclusive proof of wrongdoing by Biden in the Ukraine.

Wow what a surprise
Kind of is a surprise. When your idiot son gets $millions for being on the board of an oil and gas company and by his own admission knows nothing about oil and gas but your father is Vice-President of the USA ... yeah, that is a surprise there is no conclusive proof. I might also say conclusive proof might be a high bar to leap. It doesn't mean you aren't defending an absolute piece of shit human who sold his country out to enrich his family.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes
« on: September 21, 2020, 07:06:54 PM »

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes
« on: September 21, 2020, 05:59:54 PM »
Trump's team are just so much funnier than anything the dull Dems have.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes
« on: September 21, 2020, 04:57:41 PM »

I hope they find this ... woman? ... and film her/it during Trump's second inauguration.

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: #justiceforRonJ
« on: September 19, 2020, 04:33:06 PM »
Stop derailing the thread with your nonsense about trolling. Deal with the subject matter. Your application of rule 2 when a user was well within their rights subject to rule 1. We've already established that the rules are more important that your useless personal judgement. That's why we have rules. Rules first, judgement second. Rules FIRST.

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: #justiceforRonJ
« on: September 19, 2020, 04:29:06 PM »
Fix the mess you made with Ronj. You gave him a 5 week ban because you and the mod team don't respect the rules of the forum or the manifesto.

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: #justiceforRonJ
« on: September 19, 2020, 03:59:02 PM »
In other words, despite moderators frequently asking users to familiarise themselves with the rules, that's actually a waste of time because they interpret, or one might say make them up on the fly, as they feel like on any given day. In fact, there isn't even any point in the rules because

something isn't mentioned expressly in the rules doesn't mean it can't happen, likewise, just because strict wording of the rules might protect certain behavior doesn't mean a moderator can't just remove bad actors anyway.

so rules are added and ignored by whoever feels like being a dick to the other users on the site. So this begs a new question ... if there aren't any rules ... why do we have mods? We'd be better off without you.

Now, I'd like to direct you to item 4 of the manifesto
Quote from: manifesto item 4
In all decisions, you shall defer to the rules as written rather than relying on your personal judgment.

Which is the exact opposite of
As typical guidelines for behavior subject to the interpretation of moderators and admins.

So you are supposed to use the rules and not your god awful personal judgement. And if you don't like that, please have a read of item 2 of the manifesto.
Quote from: manifesto item 2
At any time, you may revoke your agreement to this or any other version of the manifesto by resigning your position on the forum.

Follow the rules or resign. You can choose.  >:(

Now we know you are supposed to use the rules, back to Ronj ....
As has been stated numerous times in the past, bans are issued for patterns of behaviour, not isolated incidents. RonJ can either demonstrate good faith by improving his behaviour, or he can continue doing what he just did and keep getting banned for it. The choice is his.

Which is the exact opposite of
Quote from: manifesto item 5
You shall apply the same rules equivalently to all members on the forum, without invoking your personal opinion of a member, their posting history or any factor other than the rules and their behaviour in the situation at hand.

Unban Ronj. Your justifications have all been in contradiction to the manifesto which was put in place to prevent the mod team terrorising the user base via
a totalitarian dictatorship and we mods are police that are mad with power.

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: #justiceforRonJ
« on: September 19, 2020, 07:31:18 AM »
The rules aren't, and shouldn't be, read like they're legal rights in a court of law.
Interesting. How should they be read?

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: #justiceforRonJ
« on: September 18, 2020, 08:49:06 PM »
So if you want to apply it that broadly take out the part that says a complaint must be made by the person harassed to the offended party, and make it clear that a mod can define harassment however he wishes. It's still draconian but at least you'd be making the way you implement the rule clearer.
Why do they get to decide how the rules are interpreted? Again, is this site run for the pleasure of its mods ... or its userbase? How do the people who use the site wish to be moderated? We made that clear already. We don't want to be banned for 5 weeks for taking a pop at Tom Bishop in AR.

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: #justiceforRonJ
« on: September 18, 2020, 08:19:55 PM »
Thork, nobody is going to be impressed by your ability to predict that people will disagree with you when you pretty much only ever act disagreeable. RonJ is not worth all of this trouble, frankly I'm kind of surprised he hasn't been permabanned yet. He's being afforded a lot of leeway.

I don't even know who Ronj is.

But when someone gets banned for 5 weeks for a personal attack in AR, that's not right. However, this transcends right and wrong.

The community have said 'we are not happy with this decision'. I mean read the thread. Not one forum user thought it was a fair ban. Then all the mods disagreed as one. So what we really have is a power struggle. The community want the site to be run one way, and the mods a different way. And it begs the question ... who shapes the future of The Flat Earth Society? The mods or its userbase? When the userbase demand a course of action and the mods refuse, the mods are exerting power and using it in an unpopular way.

This won't be the end of this. A simple end would have been Pete saying 2 days ago "yeah ok, maybe I had too much to drink, I had an itchy mouse finger and I blew Ronj away. I made his ban one day, he served that ... lets move on". That's the simple smart way to have dealt with it. No one else would have a dog in the race. But now it's the mods vs the users in a battle of will as to who this site is for. And that's a blister that will get popped another day.

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: #justiceforRonJ
« on: September 18, 2020, 07:25:33 PM »
Well I did not see this verdict coming. 😱

Literally no one agrees with you. Not one person has posted in your defence.
Meanwhile, if anyone actually thinks I fucked up, you have every right to escalate it.
There is no point. The escalation process is broken. The moderation team do not reverse decisions.

There's no voting system or any balance to this forum. If you make a decision, all the other mods will back you no matter how dumb the decision was because they want backing when they f up, and that's it. Once a mod digs their heels in, it never gets changed.
If you will excuse me, during this moment of hyper lucidity I'm just going to the shop to put my lottery numbers on. It seems against all odds, I can predict just about anything right now. 


Suggestions & Concerns / Re: #justiceforRonJ
« on: September 18, 2020, 03:18:35 PM »
Why does anything need to change? Why can't you just admit when you are wrong? You could have done this yesterday before this even left AR and it would all be over. But no. You want to dig your heels in and make a huge drama out of it. Maybe the rules need rewriting, maybe AR needs destroying, maybe Ronj should go into purgatory ... you are prepared to entertain literally any suggestion, other than the common consensus that you got this one wrong. 🙄

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: #justiceforRonJ
« on: September 18, 2020, 02:31:26 PM »
Oh, so it is a personal skirmish. Very well. I hope that's taken into account when staff review the suggestion.

I'm sure you do hope that, but hopefully they'll also take into account that you trying to assign intent to a scenario to trivialise it, is just another deflection to excuse your poor lack of judgement.

I'm rather hoping that they wonder why the hell you banned someone for 5 weeks for a personal attack in AR, when there is no PM from Tom, no moderator report from Tom, no request in the thread for a cease to hostilities from Tom and no participation from Tom in the thread at all. I'm hoping they wonder where is the request from Tom? Where is the evidence of this pattern of behaviour and why is Pete handing out 5 week bans for people making personal attacks in AR when the very first forum rule states "The exception to this rule is in Complete Nonsense and Angry Ranting, where personal attacks are par for the course".

If we are going to examine Personal Skirmish, maybe we should look at how Pete interacts with Ronj and uses his forum privileges on someone he actively dislikes?

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