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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes
« on: February 02, 2021, 08:16:21 PM »


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I have literally just taught you 50% of all the BBcode. Start using it.  >:(

Next week, bold, italic and font sizes.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes
« on: February 02, 2021, 12:41:03 PM »


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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: February 01, 2021, 06:12:27 PM »
Thork, it seems like you've allowed yourself to understand just enough to form a really shitty opinion on the subject   ::)
The penny has dropped, hasn't it? I'm right. And now you see how stupid getting the vaccine is if you are healthy. Which by the way You are going to be encouraged to get this vaccine every single year for the rest of forever.

Every year, regular as clockwork, you'll queue up and stick some pharma gunge you don't need into you and someone somewhere will get rich.

Now you don't like that I'm right. I'm going against all the angels you love like Biden and Merkel and the WHO and Ursula von der thingymabob. But they backed themselves into a corner with these lockdowns and the only credibility they can muster to unlock their countries is to pretend this vaccine is a magic bullet. And yes, it puts you on the evil side of the world. The Thork side. One day I'll have you voting for a nationalist party. Slowly slowly ... one post at a time.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: February 01, 2021, 05:48:54 PM »
It’s not true that being vaccinated doesn’t inhibit the spread of a disease at all. Limiting your viral load reduces the chance of transmission.  A quick and efficient immune response limits the window in which you could possibly be infectious.
The manufacturer has literally said that they don't know that. How is it that you know that? You know more about Pfizer's drugs than Pfizer?

How do you know more than all the leading experts?
Quote from: https://fortune.com/2020/12/22/covid-vaccine-infectious-face-masks-transmission/
It’s surprising, but experts agree: The tens of thousands of people being vaccinated against the coronavirus right now may still be able to carry and transmit the SARS-CoV-2 virus to others, despite being well-protected against the symptoms of COVID-19 themselves. That means they must still wear masks and practice social distancing to protect those around them.

I am currently "trusting the science" in that the recent data I have seen implies the antibodies may not last all that long.
Oh, you're looking for a life-long subscription to Pfizer's latest drug. An annual booster like a little old lady getting her flu shots. I need to become a Pfizer shareholder. I had no idea people were this foolish.


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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: February 01, 2021, 05:28:18 PM »
I recently recovered from covid.

Still going to get the vaccine.

Why? You are already immune. How do you think you recovered from the disease instead of dying? Your body developed antibodies to overcome coronavirus. What does a vaccine do? Helps you develop antibodies to overcome the virus.

I feel like the collective world has take an IQ bath and washed away all common sense and powers of reasoning.


I already said it's not 100% effective, but 95% is pretty damn good,
It is 95% effective at provoking an immune response from you after 2 doses. It is not 95% effective at stopping you spreading the disease. These are not the same things. This is like saying I can long jump 5 metres. Therefore I can high jump 5 metres. You are comparing apples and pears.

Getting vaccinated does not make me less contagious. I already linked you my government telling me that on their 'terrify the public' website.


For those still struggling.
You get the vaccine. It has the same protein coating as the actual disease. Your body goes ... mmm ... ok. That's not part of my body. Its foreign. I'll kill it. Bodies are pretty xenophobic like that.
Now, your body remembers that protein. The next time it sees it it jumps into action and says "I already told you to fucking die!  >o<".

This is where it gets complicated. Put your finger under the words and mouth them out loud for easier comprehension. You go out after being vaccinated and someone coughs on you. The coronavirus enters your body. Its right there. You are now contagious and can give other people the disease. Your body makes short work of it, having seen it before. But you coughed on a little old lady and she died anyway. The vaccine made no difference.
Three weeks later you go out and you French kiss a sailor. His beard feels warm and comforting. But your body suddenly realises something is wrong. You got covid again. "Die motherfucking covid  >o<" yells your body and kills it all over again. But not before you sneezed on a tramp and killed him too.

BEING VACCINATED DOESN'T PROTECT OTHER PEOPLE FROM YOU. IT ONLY PROTECTS YOU.

If you already had the disease, you already have that protection. The proof of this being that you aren't dead. IE you had an immune response that was successful. Ergo, you don't need to be vaccinated. Any 'scientist' claiming you do is lying to either flog more drugs, frighten people who had a flu and thought they had covid or because they are dumb ... which many scientists are these days because when you send literally everyone to uni and give almost all a degree ... you lower the bar to the point stupid scientists are everywhere.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: February 01, 2021, 03:25:13 PM »
We don't want you to die.
Well now I know you are lying.

Also, contact spreading is a thing.
Nope. I'm not explaining it again. You have sources, you have the reasoned arguments. Read it again or just let it die. I'm not taking the vaccine. I have sound reasoning for this. I've explained it. Finito.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: February 01, 2021, 03:11:13 PM »
If the vaccine doesn't stop me spreading the disease ... why the fuck do you want me to take it?  >o<


It is like talking to a bunch of pre-schoolers.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: February 01, 2021, 02:18:40 PM »
I could take the vaccine and still infect people.

Welcome to literally every vaccine ever.

I am responding to ignorant comments such as
Not everyone who wants one can get one, and the vaccine isn't 100% effective, none are.  So you can still spread it to others. That's the problem.

The problem is being selfish can kill people.  Some of us understand that and actually care about other people.

JSS seems to think if I get vaccinated, it stops me spreading the disease. It doesn't. He says I'm selfish. He's wrong. Me being vaccinated or not only effects one person ... me. And I have weighed the risk ... practically zero from covid ... against a vaccine that is unlicensed where the manufacturer accepts zero liability where those same manufacturers are unable to answer very basic questions about their drug at this point in time ... and I think I'm best off just giving this a swerve. It is easy to get caught up in mass hysteria but if you can keep your head whilst all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you ... you will be a man, my son.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: February 01, 2021, 01:32:05 PM »
Quote from: British government
Can you give COVID-19 to anyone if you have had the vaccine?
We do not yet know whether it will stop you from catching and passing on the virus
Source

That's how little they know about these vaccines or if they even work very well. I could take the vaccine and still infect people. My taking the vaccine or not has no bearing on anyone else at all.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: February 01, 2021, 08:18:18 AM »
If enough people are like Thork and don't get vaccinated, then we won't reach the levels required to stop it and it will continue to spread and kill people.
Kill who? People who chose not to be vaccinated? That's their choice, huh? And they made the same choice as me so they can hardly complain.

If Thork was the only one not taking it I wouldn't care, but we run the very real risk that enough people like him will refuse and we will fail to contain it.
Contain it from whom? If everyone who wants a vaccine can have one, what is the problem?

Remember, one person can spread it to dozens, and then hundreds.
Oh yes, I should bear in mind how a virus works. Thank you, Captain Obvious.

Just a single unvaccinated person can spread it far enough to where you have people dying.
Spread it to who? Other unvaccinated people who CHOSE not to be vaccinated ... probably because they realise they aren't at risk in the first place?

And yeah, I honestly don't have any confidence at all he wouldn't intentionally spread it if he thinks he personally won't suffer.  He's already willing to avoid it and put peoples lives at risk, so that's not out of character at all.
I'd cough all over you in a heart beat.  >:(

It's not just an old person's disease. This kid is one example of many where someone in their physical prime is completely derailed by the effects of covid.

Death rates are low, infections are high, complications are common and can be terrible.

Please consider getting the vaccine when it is available to you.
This is like saying ... "Young people can be killed in car accidents. Please don't drive." ... we haven't banned cars. I'm not interested in edge cases. This kid is in the news because what happened to him is so rare. Literally no one would report that I grew a sunflower in my garden last year. But, if that sunflower was 30 feet tall, suddenly I get to sit on a sofa with Phillip and Holly because my sunflower is so rare in its hugeness.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: January 31, 2021, 05:13:12 PM »
Do you really think the drug manufacturer is gonna settle your suit?  Most likely you'll be offered some small sum of money and told to take it or be out lawyered.  This ain't their first rodeo.
??? class action. They'd settle as fast as possible before more people joined and would try to keep publicity to a minimum.
The problem is you'd need alot of people with the same issue.  If there are big side effects, its likely to a small group.  Small enough to be covered under the "Well, you're the .01%" in side effects.

Yes they'd settle quick.  They'd offer you some small amount in pounds (maybe a year's salary) and tell you to sign on the dotted line or they'll let you take em to court and see how it goes.



Also: my risk is apparently 1:100,000 of death.
1:4049 of being hospitalized.

Dave, a quick google would tell you that you are talking nonsense. I'm tired of responding to things you just make up.
These three ladies got $800,000 each. Not maybe a years' salary and they are a small group.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: January 31, 2021, 04:35:50 PM »
Do you really think the drug manufacturer is gonna settle your suit?  Most likely you'll be offered some small sum of money and told to take it or be out lawyered.  This ain't their first rodeo.
??? class action. They'd settle as fast as possible before more people joined and would try to keep publicity to a minimum.


Humans are terrible at risk assessment, I submit you as exhibit A.
Using the following tool (feel free, have a go yourself) I have a 1:83333 chance of dying from covid. A 1:4405 chance if I end up in hospital.
https://www.qcovid.org/Home/AcademicLicence?licencedUrl=%2FPatientInformation%2FPatientInformation

The algorithm doesn't take into account things like how much exercise I do (quite a lot), how sickly I am in general (I'm not), and how bad my mother's cooking was when I was a child giving me a cast iron immune system from all the times she food poisoned me. Also this uni will want to over inflate the odds rather than play them down. My risk is probably more like a lottery win than the numbers they have given me. I'm in no danger at all.

How's your risk?

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I'm not sure how helpful all these one line answers are.

A flat earth is the centre of the universe. And that's nice. You are special. You are not on an insignificant little speck of dust in an enormous universe by accident. Your life has meaning. There is a design. There is a purpose.

The earth is flat, but stars, planets and the moon are not. They are balls. The earth is not a planet. 'Planet' comes from the ancient Greek for 'wandering star'. The earth isn't a wandering star. Things are closer than you have been led to believe. The sun and moon are just 3000 miles above you and they are both 27 miles across. The stars are higher and smaller still. Depending on which flat earth theory you subscribe to, stars may be mounted into the firmament.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: January 31, 2021, 08:31:05 AM »
1. The NHS will.
The NHS will what? If I get a life changing side effect from one of these vaccines, I should be able to sue that company for £millions to ensure my care costs are covered forever due to their negligence. So that I can have disabled ramps put in my home, a 24 hour a day carer, shower and toilet adaptations, a guide dog if I need it, a transit van with a wheel chair lift, a bed with a hoist ... you know shit you need if you get seriously hurt. All the NHS will do is put me to the back of a 10 month queue to see a doctor who will prescribe me something for the pain. It is not the same thing at all.

The vaccine is largely based on previous vaccines and they are extremely confident that there aren’t long term side effects.
Not confident enough to put their share price on the line should they need to compensate people for any damage caused. They can say anything they like. That they swear on their mother's grave, that they promise their firstborn, they can swear on the holy bible ... until they back their products with their money and accept liability for them, I'm not taking them. I think only an idiot would, unless you were extremely vulnerable, which I am not. 

If it did come back, would you get the vaccine?
Fuck yeah. I'd trample a bingo hall full of an old ladies to get it. Smallpox is a dreadful disease. It leaves permanent scarring, can cause blindness ... and that's if you are lucky enough not to die from it. Smallpox (aka red plague) ravaged ancient Rome. Huge death tolls. But the difference is
1) smallpox is dangerous to me where coronavirus isn't
2) smallpox vaccine is licensed and manufacturers accept liability for those drugs.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: January 30, 2021, 09:16:06 AM »
How about you find me a medical citation saying this vaccine won't turn me gay? Because if it does, I won't be able to sue the pharma company as they have been given immunity from prosecution.

I don't know why this is so hard for you to understand. If a pharma company will not stand behind its own products with its wallet ... I'm not risking my health on those same products. The instant Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Janssen et al accept liability for their products ... I'll know they are safe to take. Not a moment before and not because you wrote 1) No, 2) No 3) No 4) No. You aren't going to pick up my medical/care costs if I get hurt either. 

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: January 30, 2021, 08:18:24 AM »
You are aware that there are diseases that don't affect humans, right?
Yes. Why would we bring that into a conversation about saving human lives? It is a ridiculous strawman. And you'll be stunned to learn that I am not a veterinary historian. And literally no one on this website had heard of rinderpest. And Iceman only found it after a google to say "ah haaa!" having been unaware that we haven't eradicated many diseases as he suggested. His argument is in shreds. Mine still stands. Our record of erradicating diseases is actually extremely poor. There is only one disease that you might have got, that is now eradicated. We are moving on. This strawman deserves no further discussion.

Thork: you do know that Corona is a type of SARS virus, one which has been studied for decades?
Remember swine flu?  Bird flu?  Thats the same family as Covid19.

So the vaccine thats been developed was made based on the nearly 2 decades worth of reasearch into that family of viruses.
I'd guess there are at least a clear 30 points between our respective IQs and you are the one in deficit. If you want to patronise me, you'll get the same back. I'm also aware of MERS which you get from camels. So what if they have been studied for decades? They are different diseases. Just because we can effectively treat some types of cancer doesn't mean we can treat others. Just because we have vaccines for some coronaviruses doesn't mean you can use their vaccines on this disease. You can't. You need a new vaccine. And in this case, a new and unlicensed one where the scientists themselves are unable to answer very basic questions such as ... do I need regular annual boosters? Do I need it, if I have had real coronavirus or am I already immune? Am I still contagious if I have been vaccinated?

If they can't answer those questions, I'm not so sure they can't answer questions like ... will the vaccine hit my sperm count? Can the vaccine give me autoimmune problems? Will this vaccine give me a brain tumour? Will the vaccine turn me into a homosexual 5 years after taking it?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Joe Biden is winning by a landslide
« on: January 29, 2021, 09:39:46 PM »
https://www.azleg.gov/legtext/55leg/1R/bills/HB2720P.pdf

The AZ GOP is trying to pass an election reform bill that will allow the legislature to overturn the certification of electors with a simple majority. RIP AZ’s democracy.

The terrifying thing is if the Democrats didn't have a majority in the House, the GOP might very well have simply declared Trump the winner and it would absolutely have been RIP for democracy for the entire country.

It's scary how close we came to turning into a dictatorship.  I wonder how long the US is going to last at this rate before the fascists finally get their way.

You need to turn off CNN and go outside.  ::)

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: January 29, 2021, 09:37:13 PM »
I was like "What the hell is rinderpest?". And then I find out it doesn't effect humans. It should never have been in the conversation to begin with. So no, zero apology for that. It was a red herring.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: January 29, 2021, 09:20:29 PM »
Well it's literally two, rinderpest being the second. But thanks to vaccinations, polio, measles, rubella, yellow fever are all things I dont have to worry about.
You never had to worry about rinderpest. It is a bovine disease.


Also why would you worry about yellow fever? Do you like in the Amazon basin or central Africa?


Vaccination programs have made mumps, measles, rubella and polio irrelevant to billions of people.
And that's probably the reason they haven't been eradicated. Imagine the money made from giving billion of people vaccines. Compared to the $0 received for vaccinating precisely nobody against small pox.

You don’t think people like you, Total Lackey and AATW complaining about the oh so massive infringement on their rights has something to do with it?
No.

I have been vaccinated for mumps, measles, rubella and polio. The vaccines were licensed, decades of testing has been done and if anything goes wrong, I can sue the pharma company because they haven't been given immunity from prosecution for those vaccines.


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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: January 29, 2021, 08:45:00 PM »
Vaccination programs have made mumps, measles, rubella and polio irrelevant to billions of people.
And that's probably the reason they haven't been eradicated. Imagine the money made from giving billion of people vaccines. Compared to the $0 received for vaccinating precisely nobody against small pox.

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