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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: Today at 08:44:58 AM »
Saddam, exemplifying the behaviour I'm making fun of while declaring it not to be happening is not helping your case. Your opposition to the presumption of innocence (but only when applied to Trump, because orange man guilty) has been going on for quite some time (and let's remember the specific statement that sent you on that crusade: my suggestion that being obscene does not directly imply being a criminal).

Whenever there's an accusation, you jump on it. Trump said words about how women can be easily abused? That must mean he's personally abusing women! The words themselves are incriminating! Of course, nothing came out of that and you bawled about how you never claimed not to presume innocence.

Now, history repeats himself - after two years of eagerly posting article after article about the many things Trump is totally guilty of we get... nothing. But, of course, every time you posted this drivel so proudly, following with your signature "haha drumpfe make funny face" boomer meme, you didn't actually mean it. Obviously.

Will you learn from your mistakes this time, or will we be having this conversation again in a couple years, where you will have totally-not-jumped on another moronic bandwagon?

With this nonsense out of the way, perhaps we can go back to disliking Trump in ways which don't rely on conspiracy theories. For example, by making fun of his (still not newsworthy) personal tweets:

Is the harassment presidential in the same way that Trump is Presidential™?

Trump, from what I've read, basically was paranoid that the investigation would produce a fake result.  That it would be manipulated.  His entire attack was based on pure paranoia.  Still is.

Ironically, he should be praising the investigation.  Not only has he said "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" but the investigation exposed Trump's long time lawyer's recording of client conversations. 

But he won't because he still thinks Meuller is against him and tried to destroy him. 
This is spot on and completely consistent with Trump's past behaviour. The same paranoia is likely the root cause of him pretending not to remember his past statements (say, the whole "I love Wikileaks" thing) - he seems to think that when people ask him questions, they're universally out to discredit him

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: Today at 12:53:15 AM »
You may have been certain all this time that Trump wouldn't be charged or criminally implicated, but Trump himself definitely wasn't.
I wasn't certain of anything - that's kind of the point, and the crucial difference between the two sides here. I simply adhered to Western values, namely the idea of presumption of innocence. I was mocking the anti-Trumpets for abandoning basic principles for political convenience, and I greatly enjoy the fact that the outcome of this investigation has validated that position. Moreover, I revel in the hand-wringing you guys have to engage it now to avoid having to admit that you fucked up.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: April 18, 2019, 11:42:35 PM »
Yes, after literally two years of the anti-Trump crowd eagerly awaiting the second coming of Jesus Christ in the form of a steaming charge, we get absolutely nothing. Clearly not a victory for Trump.

Maybe, just maybe, it's all a conspiracy.

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Suggestion: Upvote/Downvote Idea
« on: April 18, 2019, 06:58:03 PM »
Surely any such system would only reinforce tribalism? We have two sides of a debate here, one much more numerous than the other. Even if the regulars didn't engage in tribal behaviour, flyby noobs would ensure that all posts which support RE had high scores, while all posts supporting FE would be in the negatives. It's a simple consequence of the respective sizes of each community.

Flat Earth Community / Re: ∞ ¥ =
« on: April 16, 2019, 11:08:49 AM »
Your model will not be accepted well here
On the contrary, we welcome people who question the mainstream FE model.

It's, uh... interesting to see that the bikini crowd has made their way down here. I hope you intend on behaving better than those you associate with.

As for your question: 99% of the time it's extremely obvious. The other day I saw a bunch of RE'ers on Twitter argue with some guy who claimed to be a Flat Earther and a nationalist. The very first thing you'd see if you visited his profile was a pinned tweet reading "geraffs aren't real".

My best advice, therefore, is to think before you write. There's no panacea, there are trolls in every discussion, and unless you exercise the bare minimum of critical thinking, you're gonna get caught up in the crossfire.

As for the monetisation aspect - while I personally think trying to make money off FE is a big no-no, it does nothing to prove of disprove someone's intentions. There are honest FE'ers who make money through merch, and trolls who don't make any money.

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Inconsistent mod actions
« on: April 14, 2019, 08:33:37 PM »
Certainly. Now, I hope you understood the message and will behave from now on. I would hate to treat you equitably now that your grace period has expired.

But, since you insist, here is the sole piece of correspondence I've omitted (since I believe it's been duplicated in your public message):

Oh Pete,

Why don’t you provide some examples of this spamming?

I haven’t changed my posting behaviour recently, but I did make fun of you in AR.

It sounds like you’re just using your mod authority to get back at me.

That’s pretty sad if true.

But if I’m mistaken, then why don’t you reference which replies you  think are spamming. That’s what a mod would do. An honest one anyway. 

Which, again, happened *after* my initial PM warning :)

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Inconsistent mod actions
« on: April 14, 2019, 01:06:45 PM »
In the spirit of transparency, let's start by explaining that we will not be "letting anything run under the bridge"

Hello Pete,

I have been noodling through what to do about this. As you have no doubt discovered, I posted a concern regarding your mod action, and was invited to publicly display the case.

I appreciate the websites promotion of transparency in appeal efforts. What I am not particularly fond of doing is participating in an effort  that may result in shame-based group dynamics. I don’t think you deserve that.

So heres what’s going to happen. I’m going to let this run under the bridge. You’ve no doubt given me a pass before on a mistake, and it would be unclassy of me to not return it.

I am going to expect, however, that in the future if you have some problem with me chiding you in AR or my “scientist credentials”, then you take that up with me in PM. I’ll respond in good faith, and not personally.

There is merit in the FE movement, and I intend to help it gain credibility. Nothing productive is gained through overflexing personal feelings.


Your warning PM included a link to the post in question. As we can see, that post has also received a response with further clarification, as most others would:

If you don't have anything relevant to say, consider not saying anything. Warned

I took your side when you were permabanned, suggesting that you may be reformable. When you came back, you PM'd me with a pseudo-apology, which I shared with the mod/admin team. We've agreed not to put much stock in the apology and to simply watch and see if anything has changed.

After a while, I sent you the following PM:

I just wanted to offer a sincere apology for my past behavior on this website.
That didn't last long, not that anyone is surprised. It looks like you're back to repeatedly stating how much of a scientist you are, derailing threads, and making backhanded accusations.

Please be mindful of the subtle line between making your point and imposing yourself to the point of stifling discussion. We won't tolerate it much longer.

This received no response, and your behaviour (as you rightly point out!) has not changed. We were treating you leniently to see what would happen, and now we know. Of course, you will note that I contacted you via PM prior to your request, and prior to your AR thread. Unless you claim I have some privileged access to future events, I don't think it's very likely that I was retaliating.

We gave you a fair number of chances, and the vast majority of your warnings have not been issued by me. Whether you'd like to become a contributive member is entirely your prerogative, but further attempts at disrupting discussion here will be treated with very little tolerance.

I don't have much more to say on the matter.

Flat Earth Theory / Re: Law Of Perspective
« on: April 13, 2019, 09:44:54 AM »
Stack, one would hope that after spending so much time here you'd be better at browsing the Wiki.

I suspect Tom wasn't looking for an FAQ quote, but was rather encouraging you to read the various articles about the Sun. For example, this one:

Flat Earth Community / MOVED: User Introductions Thread
« on: April 13, 2019, 09:39:31 AM »

Status Notices / [12/04/2019] Changes to avatar upload functionality
« on: April 12, 2019, 10:25:37 PM »
As of today, we have revised the way avatar uploads work on the forum. Without going into too much detail, this means that resized images should be of slightly higher quality, and animated GIF avatars should now work correctly.

As per usual, do let us know if anything seems to be broken. :)

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: On the Notion of Removing Attachments
« on: April 11, 2019, 10:41:05 AM »
As an added concern, the way SMF handles attachments is hilariously broken from a security standpoint. It's on my list of things to fix, but perhaps just disabling it is a better way to go.

I agree that it hardly ever gets used for anything other than old memes posted by school kids. But I also see Jeppspace's point about PDFs and other documents (though, again, mild cybersecurity concern since pdf and docx files are common attack vectors). We could just stop accepting *image* attachments.

Another possible approach would be to restrict privileges for low post-counts. Members with, say, less than 50 posts could belong to a special member group that disallows them from doing most abusable stuff.

Obviously, these three approaches solve three different problems, but personally I think the post count based restrictions might be best for us, combined with continued work to make attachments less terrible.

Flat Earth Investigations / MOVED: Size of the Flat Earth
« on: April 10, 2019, 05:50:15 PM »

Flat Earth Theory / Re: 'Oumuamua Comet
« on: April 10, 2019, 05:48:39 PM »
Celestial dome, celestial plane, celestial whatever.  Does it really make that much of a difference to the gist of the OP's question about the comet's trajectory?
It doesn't. With that in mind, you should heed the same advice.

Flat Earth Theory / Re: 'Oumuamua Comet
« on: April 10, 2019, 10:23:32 AM »
According to the FET, everything is around the dome, completing a full rotation once every 24 hours.
Try not to make claims about something you don't understand or know much about. If you're disputing a specific claim that someone here has made (if they did, they'd be in the minority, but that doesn't preclude discussion in any way), make sure to reference it.

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: FEM
« on: April 09, 2019, 03:40:06 PM »
Yes, we could disable the ability to respond to threads entirely. But isn't that a bit heavy-handed? It sounds like people are looking for a solution to a problem which doesn't exist - a tiny handful of posts getting moved over an extended period of time.

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: FEM
« on: April 09, 2019, 01:03:50 PM »
It's in a section of the forum which encourages people to debate the videos posted.
Purely by your own interpretation, and, from the evidence you proposed, it does not look like people are actually confused by this. Nonetheless, shuffling FEM and FEP to a separate category could be a reasonable move. I'll add it to my lowest-of-low-priority list.

If people think the video posted is full of nonsense argument and things which are just plain incorrect then yes, I do think they have a right to say that - so long a they explain why and the post isn't just a "nuh-uh".
They do, and the steps towards doing so correctly are outlined in READ BEFORE POSTING: Welcome to Flat Earth Media!

And the moderation around how much debate you allow about submissions is not consistent.
You said this multiple times now, but only as an off-hand remark. It sounds like your perception of moderation is the actual crux of the issue here. Of course, you haven't considered the possibility that we are being consistent, and that you simply didn't understand the criteria (we've seen evidence to that effect before). So, perhaps instead of making sneaky accusations, you could simply ask me a question, preferably via PM since I doubt this merits a thread.

You also mistake me stating things as a matter of fact for hostility. You've shown yourself to struggle to understand why things work they way they do around here. You mistake explanations for hostility, and when you don't get what you want, you engage in a tirade of obtuse behaviour and time-wasting. This thread is an excellent example - I disproved your claims by actually looking at the threads you brought up, so you're ignoring that claim and instead focusing on a whole new approach. Anything to keep the non-issue alive, anything to pretend there's something to discuss here.

This is an observation, and not one intended as an insult. If you do not want to be perceived in this way, you can consider no longer doing that.

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: FEM
« on: April 08, 2019, 10:58:08 PM »
A response of "well if you don't like it then you don't have to use it" is not a helpful response.
Yes, from your perspective it probably isn't, because it doesn't give you what you want. Nonetheless, the rationale stands, and the obvious solution of "if you, unlike others, don't like it, you don't have to use it" is the only one available.

Is it, though? Just looking at the first page of that board right now, 6 of the topics have been moved, another 3 don't contain any links to a video and thus don't even belong in that section. 2 recent threads in AR are there because you felt the need to split or move FEM posts.
5* threads moved in a quarter of a year is nothing compared to the rest of the forum - if anything, this substantiates my point succinctly.

We can take this one step further by actually looking at the threads. We have:
So, let's summarise. We've got three newbies making mistakes, one regular who made a mistake but had a hunch that this might be the case (not a problem, we'll happily re-jig threads around when necessary), and one thread which didn't belong in FEM for reasons that are difficult to formally legislate ("no mentally-ill trolls with large followings allowed"?). I fail to see the problem here. The amount of time you've wasted here has already exceeded the workload of maintaining that board for those 3 months.

Also, thank you for pointing out that manicminer has been misbehaving again. Next time, please use the mod report function instead of hoping that I'll notice an off-hand remark in a thread.

Possibly, but if you're going to open up this place to us globetards then that comes with the territory.
No, it doesn't. And that's exactly why FEM should stay the way it is right now. Thank you, however, for admitting that this is exactly what you were after. Now we know not to treat this suggestion too seriously.

Would it be helpful if we revoked your ability to post in that board, or even to view it altogether? Clearly, the issue is not with people you so derogatorily call "globetards", but with you. Normally I only extend this offer to CN/AR when its existence offends people's sensibilities, but I'm sure we can pull some strings to make it happen.

Oh bad luck. You were so close to a whole post without you being a dick but, there it is.
A friendly reminder that you're currently posting in the upper fora. Since you're currently sitting on a final warning, I'm going to ask you very politely, and extremely unofficially, to behave.

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: FEM
« on: April 08, 2019, 01:26:01 PM »
The point of FEM in its current form is to provide a working repository while keeping staff effort manageable. It's no secret that there are more things that need to be done than there are things that actually get done, and while I'd like to think that we prioritise things fairly well and keep things running smoothly, adding more to that pile would not help. A Wiki repository or something external would suffer from the same issue. That is, of course, unless someone new was going to take this on as a personal project and maintain it.

You don't have to like it, or agree with it. You have the simple option of not using it. As it stands, it appears to be (correctly) used by quite a few posters, so I have to surmise it's a useful feature.

To my observation, the vast majority of posters have found the right balance of commentary, and thread splits are relatively rare. Yes, it's not ideal, but it will sort itself out over time. If anything, it's the posters who struggle to differentiate between FEI (question authority, primarily RET) and FET (question FET) that pose a real problem. I worry that your alternative would simply provide these people with yet another board to repeatedly post "if the Earth is flat then why is it round????" in, while effectively killing a useful media repo.

I see your point about FEM (and FEP) being in the "discussion boards" category when they are not intended as discussion boards - that's silly. I'd be in favour of creating a separate category to hopefully enhance clarity of purpose.

AR and CN are the garbage dumpster. If you think of it as anything else, stop doing that. I will not waste my time on you crying about the fact that you'd rather have your posts moved to the food waste bin than general refuse.

Flat Earth Theory / Re: Definitely an Entry-Level Question
« on: April 05, 2019, 09:46:55 PM »
Consider reading the FAQ.

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