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Flat Earth Community / Re: REs netiquette
« on: June 19, 2019, 01:51:48 PM »
How would you describe this society as different than the "other FES"?
I'm merely repeating statements from up-thread, not introducing new ideas. I wouldn't describe them in any way that wasn't already brought up here.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: REs netiquette
« on: June 19, 2019, 09:07:58 AM »
if you did go to a football forum to tell them how rubbish football is and you found every thread was from Rugby fans telling them why Rugby was brilliant and football was a game for pansies then wouldn't you find that odd? It's a football forum but none of the football fans on it are on there discussing who their best player is, whether the manager should be sacked, their hopes for next season.
That's simply untrue. Yeah, your shit threads tend to outnumber internal discussion, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. And, once again, you mistake this forum for FES or the FE community. Can't help you with that, other than by simply pointing it out.

Every thread is Rugby fans telling them how rubbish their sport is. Wouldn't you wonder why they don't either kick them out or create their own threads?
We're already kicking people out if they misbehave particularly egregiously - as one of the most trigger-happy critics of every mod action in existence, you're well aware of this, and I doubt you actually want me to step it up. Your proposed solution is that we become Dubay's IFERS or Davis's "other FES". Those places already exist. If you think they're a good idea, just go there. We're not there because we think it's a bad idea, and we'd rather allow people to discuss freely. If you think your side's contributions are currently unhelpful, you could be part of the change you're asking for.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: REs netiquette
« on: June 18, 2019, 04:41:09 PM »
By definition, Netiquette is about good manners online
  • No, it isn't.
  • Stop shitting up this thread with your irrelevant rambling. Warned.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: REs netiquette
« on: June 18, 2019, 04:28:41 PM »
you could also be a bit more polite
I choose my tone to match my conversation partner. If you've proven yourself to be thoroughly unpleasant and deliberately obtuse, I'm not going to waste my time on something that won't be appreciated.

if you're trying to advocate being polite
Sigh. I recommend that you read the thread and take note of the aspects of netiquette I've been focusing on here. Politeness was really not high up on the list (and arguably not on the list at all). It may also be helpful to read the OP's original proposal - you will notice, once again, that it has little to do with your concept of politeness.

Mind you, you were already reminded of this once:
The OP is about what we REs could do to engage interesting discussions with FEs.
Yet you and Tumeni persist in proving BP's point by repeatedly demonstrating the worst of RE in this thread. Failing to follow the discussion before opening your mouths, deflecting to "uh okay but what about <bad thing about FE that has nothing to do with the thread>", and simply refusing to listen to anyone other than yourselves. Gee, it's so surprising that I treat you like idiots.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: REs netiquette
« on: June 18, 2019, 01:43:25 PM »
... but you actively ASK the general public in. It's right there on the Home Page, under the forum heading.
Indeed, we invite people to participate in a meaningful discussion. That doesn't mean dropping "wow erf rund" turds all over the place. Did you fail to understand the discussion up to this point, or have you just not bothered reading beyond the one paragraph you've quoted?

Focus, Tumeni. Think really, really hard about how productive it is to rush into a thread about how RE'ers could be a bit more civilised and acting like a case study for said thread. I believe in your ability to figure this out.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: REs netiquette
« on: June 17, 2019, 04:28:20 PM »
I think the difference is as much as I think Rugby is boring, I wouldn't bother going on to a Rugby forum to tell everyone how stupid they are and how rubbish the sport they follow is. [...] The idea that anyone would believe in a flat earth [...] is mind-blowing to me.
It's mind-blowing to me that someone would waste their time watching 10-or-so blokes chase a not-so-well-inflated ball, trying to kick it so that it goes to a certain place while preventing another 10-or-so blokes from kicking it towards another place. Like, that's some proper moron-grade stuff. Ooga booga, who kick ball better???? I'm genuinely baffled and depressed by how limited others must be to enjoy this sort of stuff.

Nonetheless, most of the time I refrain from commenting on it, because wasting my time on it would be even dumber - they can enjoy their game as long as they don't get in my way (thank Christ the local pub has a Football-Free Zone policy), and I can think they're stupid without getting all in their face about it. This is where people like you (and the even more problematic RE shitposters) differ from people like me. You guys do come here to complain about your view that someone is wrong on the Internet, actively seeking us out, and then you act indignant when we don't feed you. Quelle surprise.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: God sent Gandhi to Hell
« on: June 17, 2019, 02:49:42 PM »
Dude, you understand that some of the FE Movement - even some people on this site - is based on a certain interpretation of some Bible verses?
Sure. They're wrong and also dumb. Not sure what else I could say tbh

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Now Playing (the Video Game Version)
« on: June 17, 2019, 06:53:26 AM »
Final Fantasy VII

it's p. good

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: God sent Gandhi to Hell
« on: June 14, 2019, 10:10:52 AM »
I know a guy who believes the earth is 8,000 years old and the bible is literal fact.
Trust me, they exist.
Welp, that's terrifying.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: God sent Gandhi to Hell
« on: June 14, 2019, 09:01:25 AM »
Pretty sure no religious person actually believes that, and the "hurhur I interpreted a religion's holy book literally" meme died in 2002.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: REs netiquette
« on: June 12, 2019, 04:58:24 PM »
Check me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t vetting potential believers supposed to be one of the intended purposes of the (since defunct) Zetetic council?
Yeah, I'm gonna go with "wrong" on that one. Vetting people for a board we all agreed would not exist was not part of the ZC's duties.

I'd appreciate it if you'd be willing to clarify that one. I can't help but wonder whether I fit into your demographic. If I'm not wanted, please tell me so.
We're veering massively into the realms of personal judgement here, so please take everything I say here with a pinch of salt. My view is that anyone who comes here to talk about how they think the Earth is round is at least a little bit misguided. In a way (though I readily acknowledge this is a poor analogy), it feels like going to a football fans' forum to complain about one's dislike of football.

But, of course, this is a sweeping generalisation of different groups of people. There are some who come here to literally just repeatedly state that [they think] the Earth is round. Then you have people who one-sidedly argue for RE, without considering or acknowledging other possibilities. At the other extreme of the spectrum, you have RE'ers who actively help push debates in the right direction, direct newcomers to FE resources, and even help develop FET.

I don't know where exactly I'd like to draw the line if one existed. It's one of the reasons I personally wouldn't want to draw a line.

But it comes with the territory of trying to promote yourselves. And wouldn't you prefer if RE people came here and thought "Hmm, maybe these guys are on to something"?
Many do. You just happen not to be one of them. Every time I point out to you the unprecedented growth of the FE movement, you mistake it for starry-eyed pride, but it remains factual.

I get that you'd like to do things differently (and you're welcome to help us progress in the direction you'd like to see!), but ultimately your claims of our incoherence are difficult to follow, and your claims of our inefficiency are simply in conflict with publicly-available stats.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: REs netiquette
« on: June 10, 2019, 04:54:03 PM »
On profile there is also Yahoo YAM information, no sense at all
Talk to the people who made SMF and who added that (I'm guessing) 15 years ago. I agree that this could be purged, but it's so extremely low priority it's probably never happening.

I don't think this is a phase. Or, if it is, then it'll mean when it's past that interest in FE is dying out.
Meh, it is. We've been at it for more than a decade now. Every now and then we get a spike in media attention which brings the RE zealots over, and eventually they get bored. The FE movement at large grows regardless of this pattern. But yes, ultimately the hope here is that interest among a specific demographic dies out.

And the middle ground is people earn their place into those sections. And they don't do that by saying they believe the earth to be flat, they do that by showing they can debate sensibly in the sections they can see.
And who would the gatekeepers for that be? Bear in mind that (for example) you and I have extremely differing views on which contributors here are and are not sensible. If it were me choosing, most of the people who ask for more FE attention wouldn't get in - in effect, nothing would change. If you were choosing, then people like me wouldn't participate - nothing would change.

If you genuinely don't want RE input into those discussions then that's your prerogative of course, but then it does become somewhat of an echo changer.
I think you could be more generous with your assumptions about FE-on-FE discussions, at least the ones I alluded to participating in. The way you describe it, it sounds like you're imagining a room with a few people repeatedly saying "erf flat", "Ah, yes, quite!" to one another. Usually, it's much more heated than that, and the discussion focuses on differences, not similarities. I'm sure many echo chambers exist (well, I know they do, and I've been banned from quite a few, lol), but I agree that those are not useful or interesting.

Indeed, this is why I think the ball needs to be in RE's court here. We get an excessive amount of threads from regulars who just discuss among themselves about how round they think the Earth is, and how much they agree with one another.

Finally: while this forum has its purpose, and the outreach it generates is super useful, I think you're mistaking a relatively small forum ran by FE'ers for the entirety of the FE movement. If you don't like this particular section of the movement, you have plenty of options already available. You could go on Twitter and talk at some of the FE'ers there (many are needlessly hostile and not willing to discuss at all, but some of them can be civil and informative). It all has its upsides and downsides, but there is a diverse selection of means of communication available to you.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: REs netiquette
« on: June 07, 2019, 05:49:48 PM »
So, out of interest, what are these forums for?
One of the Flat Earth Society's core principles is that ideas and opinions should flow freely. This forum will be what its regulars make of it, for better or for worse.

They seem to be mostly used for RE people to ask the same questions over and over again and/or claim that various parts of FE Theory don't work.
Is that what you guys want this place to be?
Personally, no, and I continue to hope that this temporary wave of RE shitposters will either get bored and leave or start doing something useful.

Don't you want some forums where you can discuss your ideas and try and move towards consensus on some of the issues which are in dispute?
We do have that. But if we let the RE crowd in, we'll be back to square one. The alternative is to go full Eric Dubay and start banning people for disagreeing with us - which is completely contrary to our ideals. Another option would be to get the RE crowd to start being constructive, but that's entirely outside of any of our powers.

It just seems a bit odd to have public FE forums mostly dominated by RE people and then have debates amongst yourselves in private.
Surely you find most everything about the FE movement odd. But short of censoring the shit out of everyone, I can't see a better outcome. As I mentioned many times before, these waves of smug RE'ers are temporary. Every now and then they flood us for a year or two in response to some media attention, and eventually they peter out. In my view, it's a case of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".

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Flat Earth Community / Re: REs netiquette
« on: June 07, 2019, 01:45:29 PM »
It's a lot easier and pleasant to 'debate' and discuss with people who already agree with your fundamental belief.
Thanks for the extremely rude assumption/accusation in a thread which advocates for an improvement in netiquette - hopefully the irony sinks in. To those genuinely interested, this sort of stuff is why FE'ers debate amongst themselves in places you won't be admitted to.

Best of luck to those of you advocating for a change of approach - sounds like you've accurately identified (some of) the problem, even if I can't help with the solution.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: South Pole as the FE center?
« on: June 07, 2019, 05:44:04 AM »
I wish we could investigate why it needs to be the North Pole on the center of the FE ?
This logic is extremely backwards. You assume that the Earth is round, and that you can therefore arbitrarily redefine its projection onto a flat plane. There is no "need" for the world to be the way it is - it just happens to be.

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Don't you find this odd?
I don't, you simply apply an unfair standard. I've spoken to RE'ers who don't understand the difference between velocity and acceleration. I've spoken to RE'ers who think the Sun orbits the Earth. And ones who think that the Earth is so excessively curved that you can easily capture it with a photograph taken at ground level. Does that mean that RE'ers "diverge"? No, there's just a lot of idiots on the Internet. Do I find this "odd"? Not in the slightest.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Investigating FE Jupiter
« on: June 06, 2019, 01:36:08 PM »
Just a heads up: throwing the word "investigate" into your thread does not make it FEI.

See https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=10086.0 and https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=10088.0

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 02, 2019, 08:21:35 PM »
They will always fuck over people they hate.  It's kinda implied with the definition.
No - the implication of your assumptions is that they will want to fuck us over. That's very different from being able to do so.

And last I checked, economic sanctions or bans or what-not has never made an enemy friendly.
Indeed - that's quite obviously not the goal.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 01, 2019, 03:21:29 PM »
Thus, making the people poor and the nation weak is not going to make them like us anymore, will it?
Whether or not the people like us is no concern. Whether or not their government fucks us over is.

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