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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why earth alone is flat in the solar system?
« on: October 14, 2019, 11:42:22 AM »
Yes - as predicted, you redefine the term every time you turn out to be wrong. The OP asked about bodies, you tried to make it about large bodies, and now "bodies" means something else than it does in physics.

We will not be having this discussion here. I am asking you to get back on topic, and I'd like to keep it to just asking.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why earth alone is flat in the solar system?
« on: October 14, 2019, 11:14:28 AM »
Well, I need it to be a body :) rather than a cloud of gas and dust.
A nebula is a celestial body - a body is a mass of matter distinct from other masses. What you're really looking for, in a patently obvious way, is to restrict it to spherical bodies and then complain that I can't find you a body that both is and isn't spherical.

If you can't engage with this subject in a mature way, please don't engage at all.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why earth alone is flat in the solar system?
« on: October 14, 2019, 09:17:16 AM »
No, not brand new. On 27th September in this thread I said
What do I care about what you said? You're not the OP, and you keep trying to inject your position into the thread with nobody really asking for it. The question was about celestial bodies. You keep trying to introduce new requirements, because you cannot engage the debate in an intellectually honest way. And now you want to project that onto others. Hilarious.

This is the problem with RE zealots. You want a big body, you can have the Carina Nebula. Oh, wow, what's that I hear, you didn't actually just need it to be big and massive? How shocking!

Come back when you're ready to discuss this seriously.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why earth alone is flat in the solar system?
« on: October 14, 2019, 08:24:06 AM »
Interesting. So isn't that the answer to the OP then? It isn't alone. Or are these objects not in the solar system.
If it was the answer to OP's question, I would have stated it as such in the first place. Of course, I already answered OP's question, so you already know what my answer actually is. No need to guess.

Interesting. So isn't that the answer to the OP then? It isn't alone. Or are these objects not in the solar system?
Can you give examples? I mean, if you're talking about asteroids then sure, for matter the form into a spherical sphere it has to be above a certain mass and a certain degree of oblateness is caused by spin. That is all to be expected. But do you have an example of a non-spherical (ignoring a certain degree of oblateness) celestial body of significant mass?
"A certain degree of oblateness" is really pushing it when you're talking about a turd-shaped celestial body (ʻOumuamua). And hey, suddenly we have a brand new requirement of mass! It's almost as if you were well-aware that your "universal" properties are not at all universal, and that they're conditional on many factors. As I said, you'll just keep adding excuses.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: UA and Inclined Planes
« on: October 14, 2019, 06:54:30 AM »
I understand EP enough to know that in order for it to apply, in one reference the object is at rest and in the other, the object is being accelerated.
Yes, that's the problem. You "understand" it so well that the very first part of your attempt at describing it is wrong.

There's no way around this. You need to learn physics before you can meaningfully argue it. Again, nothing to do with FE vs RE, and everything to do with understanding of the fundamentals.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why earth alone is flat in the solar system?
« on: October 13, 2019, 08:11:38 PM »
it wouldn't significantly change our understanding of how the universe works
And the discovery of further flat celestial bodies wouldn't change our understanding of how it works. You choose to ignore the evidence of FE - your choice. But seeing more flat worlds wouldn't snap you out of it. You'd just make a new excuse.

and why all the other celestial bodies we can observe are too.
We already observed non-spherical celestial bodies, other than the Earth. Which brings me back to my point - it doesn't matter how many times you zealots prove yourselves wrong.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: UA and Inclined Planes
« on: October 13, 2019, 07:25:13 PM »
How does the equivalence principle explain how UA…an upward force…can be responsible for accelerating something downhill?
This is the same argument as your spirit level fiasco. You do not seem to understand that acceleration is relative to a frame of reference. There will be no helping that until you brush up on high school physics.

Your question boils down to "What is the equivalence principle?" You're well capable of Googling that.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Distance to the Sun - Rowbothams investigation
« on: October 13, 2019, 06:16:11 PM »
what do you suggest might be causing light to bend 'upwards' by such an extent
It is expected that you will read up on the basics before posting here.

An easier, more simple and likely explanation is surely that the Earths surface is curved?
An "easy" and "simple" answer is not always the correct one.

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Flat Earth Community / MOVED: If you can't beat him, ban him
« on: October 13, 2019, 04:39:23 PM »

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why earth alone is flat in the solar system?
« on: October 13, 2019, 04:27:50 PM »
I completely disagree with this assertion. Earth is, admittedly, the only place we know of where life exists but
a) We have a very small sample set of planets to check, compared to the scale of the universe.
b) Our exploration of them is in its infancy, relatively speaking.
Right, but then we're on the same page with both questions.

Why haven't we found life outside of Earth? Dunno, maybe it's not there, or maybe we need to keep looking.
Why haven't we found other flat celestial bodies? Dunno, maybe they're not there, or maybe we need to keep looking.

Surely you noticed that my original question (How come you believe reports of all other celestial bodies in the solar system being entirely lifeless, but you somehow think there might be life on Earth?) is not meant to be taken at face value? You're not disagreeing with me - you're merely spelling out what I wanted our readers to infer :)

The Earth is unique amongst the celestial bodies we have good amounts of knowledge about. As a necessary consequence, it is unique within the solar system (divert your attention to the thread's subject for a moment). It may or may not be unique in a broader context. We can speculate about how likely that is until the cows come home, but in the end we simply don't know.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: UA and Inclined Planes
« on: October 13, 2019, 04:22:41 PM »
How would one calculate the rate of acceleration of an object on an inclined plane in a UA scenario?
The same way you would in RET, as per the Equivalence Principle.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Fixed illumination of the Moon explaination?
« on: October 13, 2019, 04:22:10 PM »
when you say that there is no gravity on Earth so presumably there isn't in the universe.
Don't presume. Read.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Fixed illumination of the Moon explaination?
« on: October 11, 2019, 10:07:50 AM »
how do these models explain the fact that during the night the illumination does not change as the Sun moves?
That's not a fact, that's a misconception. In both RET and FET, the illumination of the moon does change throughout the night, if only slightly.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Round disc?
« on: October 10, 2019, 09:06:27 PM »
Consider reading the FAQ.

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Other suns do exist. [proceeds to describe something that has nothing to do with the FE concept of a sun]
If you can't stay on topic, refrain from posting.

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how has there been no other observations of them in our galaxy?
How is it that there have been no other observations of intelligent life in our galaxy? Clearly, if life existed, we'd have seen it elsewhere by now.

This question is silly. It's also unanswerable. It could well be that other suns exist and we simply have yet to find one, or it could be that it's unique. Why would it matter either way, other than to feed your personal feelings of (in)credulity?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: FE Gravity
« on: October 04, 2019, 05:52:04 AM »
I've been thinking about this. I can sense acceleration. I can feel it. If the car is accelerating I can feel the acceleration. On an airplane I can feel the acceleration. I can feel the thing that i'm on or in actively increasing it's velocity.
You can also feel your weight. Remember that UA is largely equivalent to the gravitational model you consider more intuitive, so your question can well be rephrased of "why don't I feel gravity in RET?"

The answer is simple: You absolutely do feel it, but it's also your "default" state - it's something you've felt your entire life and grown accustomed to. Not feeling it would mean experiencing weightlessness, which you'd likely find remarkable.

Is this planetary level acceleration different somehow so that it's undetectable?
It's entirely detectable. You can pick up a cheap accelerometer and detect it with little effort. And, again, all that "detecting" it entails is realising your weight. You're not currently weightless (I presume you're actually on Earth, and not indefinitely falling in a vacuum - apologies if I'm mistaken about your circumstances), ergo you've already detected your weight/UA.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The FE Map
« on: October 04, 2019, 05:41:48 AM »
I was talking about this map, Pete.
I'm aware. I didn't need you to explain yourself, but rather to educate yourself.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Curvature investigation
« on: October 01, 2019, 08:16:41 PM »
Just putting the word "investigation" in the title doesn't make this an FEI. Read the "read before posting" sticky before posting.

Since this thread simply boils down to "I think the Earth is round", I'm going to call this one safe to lock.

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