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Flat Earth Community / Re: Sorry were not going to Mars now....Really?
« on: January 20, 2020, 01:40:57 PM »
Do you have any evidence that these people haven't visited the ISS as claimed?
That's not how this works. While the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, you don't get to just shrug the burden of proof off with a "nuh-uh, you prove that God doesn't exist!" Please keep in mind that I'm not making a negative claim here - I'm asking the RE'ers to justify their claim. It would be odd for you to flip this around when I haven't taken a stance.

what these people are claiming isn't that they've gone and lived on the moon for 6 months, or discovered the elixer of eternal youth or developed an invisibility cloak.
You're trying to draw a distinction here between things that might be impossible that nobody normal has any chance of verifying and things that might be impossible that nobody normal has any chance of verifying. Hopefully my tone has already betrayed this, but just to be explicit: I don't agree that this distinction is valid, or well justified.

has anyone called them out on the lie if it is one?
Well, there are plenty of space conspiracy believers who pretty much live their entire lives dissecting ISS videos. So yes, plenty of people have called them out.

Flat Earth Theory / Re: I'm a RE'r and have some questions!
« on: January 20, 2020, 08:31:36 AM »
For reference, however old you think the earth is, multiply the years by 1.03 and that's how many times the speed of light we are traveling now.
This is where you have immediately outed yourself as lacking understanding in the subject. It's a shame you didn't think to look for/read the comments on UA made by RE'ers with a background in physics. But let's dig deeper. You claim "we" would be "travelling" several times the speed of light. What is this velocity relative to?

As an aside, you've started this discussion in the worst way possible. "I'm right, and if anyone wants me to explain why they're wrong, I will happily oblige!" You're not going to have a healthy discussion with this sort of attitude. I'd suggest starting over. Get a grasp of the basics behind the debate (FET, common RE responses, actual RET [the amount of people who come here to defend RE while having no clue about their model is astonishing], what has and hasn't been done to death) and come back with an open mind.

To have a bilateral discussion, you need to be willing to convince, and to be convinced. If you're not interested in doing that, then honestly this place won't be interesting to you, and your presence here won't be interesting to us.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Kyle Jurek
« on: January 20, 2020, 08:26:53 AM »
Please can you supplement the OP with some information, and an actual subject you'd like to discuss?

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: January 18, 2020, 10:30:26 AM »
Counties don't vote! People vote!
Given that we're talking about US presidential elections, you're obviously wrong. States vote.

Flat Earth Community / Re: Sorry were not going to Mars now....Really?
« on: January 17, 2020, 05:39:48 PM »
I can't really do anything about your lack of believe that it has
Then why are you still posting here? That's the subject of the thread. If you have nothing to say on it, move on.

nor can I do anything about your prejudice toward people richer than you.
No prejudice here, friend. As I said, it's perfectly possible for an honest billionaire to exist. It's just that one hasn't come to be yet (or there is no evidence of one existing or having existed - it's kind of like atheism, you see). If you mistake a simple analysis of the facts for prejudice, then perhaps you have to, once again, review your opinion of yourself as motivated purely by facts and not emotions.

I for one, don't own the new £50k Mac computer
Congratulations, you didn't get scammed (though your phrasing implies you might own some Mac computers, so maybe you did get scammed, but only a little bit). I don't see how that helps here, though. Now, if the new £50k Mac was coming out in 1980 1990 2000 2020 uhh real soon now and claimed to offer quantum computing and Blast Processing to the home user, I would be sceptical, and I wouldn't accept the claim that a university managed to add two numbers together with a prototype quantum computer as particularly relevant evidence.

Flat Earth Community / Re: Sorry were not going to Mars now....Really?
« on: January 17, 2020, 03:44:19 PM »
it doesn't have to be rich untrustworthy people, hell the next space tourist could well be someone in your family
That's great. Hypothetically, someone might (maybe) one day do it, perhaps. Just fantastic.

Can you stop wasting our time already?

Flat Earth Community / Re: Sorry were not going to Mars now....Really?
« on: January 17, 2020, 02:07:16 PM »
maybe exaggerating just a tad by saying  [multi-]billionaires.
It's really not, considering the specific people AATW has listed.

Also a tad unfair to make harsh assumptions of those people as being untrustworthy just for having money.
Look, I'm not saying it's strictly impossible to be a billionaire and an honest, trustworthy individual. I'm just saying that their track record doesn't make them look that trustworthy as a demographic. Once an honest billionaire graces our Flat Earth with his or her presence, I'll happily withdraw from this position. Until then, eat the rich, no war but class war, etc.

Any every day loser can win the lottery and go to space
Oh, great, so you're saying our chances of accomplishing it (if it actually is a thing) are functionally zero, to the point where any expert would advise you against trying and describe it as an "idiot tax". Thanks for nothing.

Flat Earth Community / Re: Sorry were not going to Mars now....Really?
« on: January 17, 2020, 11:32:06 AM »
But space tourism is already a thing - 7 people have paid to spend time on the ISS
Allegedly. Unfortunately, [multi-]billionaires tend not to be the most trustworthy of sources.

Flat Earth Community / Re: Tools of the trade...
« on: January 16, 2020, 01:33:43 PM »
Though I must admit I have not yet investigated how a flat earth vs round earth model could affect this.
That might be a good place to start.

Flat Earth Community / Re: Sorry were not going to Mars now....Really?
« on: January 16, 2020, 01:32:50 PM »
I don't know if Branson is "lying".
Sure, I'll concede that.

The implication I get from this sort of thread is the idea that "space travel for all" hasn't happened in some ways provides evidence that space travel isn't a thing at all. That is erroneous logic.
I think the truth is somewhere in-between the two stances. We've got RE'ers (and we've had them coming for literal decades) telling us that we'll get OMGWTFBBQPWNED any moment now because everyone's dog will be flying to the moon to do its business, and it'll be cheap, and it'll be accessible, and Mexico will pay for it. The response of many FE'ers is to (often aggressively) point out that it hasn't happened last time we were promised it, and that it seems to still not be happening. It does not strictly mean that it'll never happen, but it does inspire some skepticism.

In some ways, it's a case of the boy who cried "wolf": we've been promised magical space tourism so many times that we've gotten quite jaded about it.

Flat Earth Community / Re: Sorry were not going to Mars now....Really?
« on: January 16, 2020, 10:26:19 AM »
My point is for years there has been talk of planes (air planes, not space planes) whizzing us round the, ahem, globe at very high speeds.
But that's not what Richard Branson was promising. Seems like a big reach to go from "Branson lied about how spaceplanes are gonna be whooshing us around Real Soon Now™" to "aeroplanes don't exist".

I'm sure there are many other examples of people predicting future technologies which never happened.
It's one thing to get excited about speculations for future technologies, and another thing entirely to advertise a product that will be available soon.

"They said we were going to have space hotels, that hasn't happened, that is evidence for the whole thing being fake".
This is faulty logic. Just like I shouldn't use the lack of hyper-sonic commercial air travel as a smoking gun that the airline industry is fake.
I disagree. You seem to believe that a claim of "Everyone who promised <x> lied, so <x> might not be feasible" is the same statement as "Everyone who promised improvements to <y> has lied, therefore <y> magically ceases to exist, despite plainly being out there"

What you're trying to do here is take a statement that's weak, but not completely insane, and turn it into a completely insane statement. It's strange.

Flat Earth Community / Re: Sorry were not going to Mars now....Really?
« on: January 16, 2020, 08:03:35 AM »
Do you think the fact that hyper-sonic commercial air travel has not become a reality means that air-planes don't exist?
Why would you mix up aeroplanes and spaceplanes like that? It sounds like you're setting up a strawman.

Flat Earth Theory / Re: Sunset
« on: January 16, 2020, 07:56:12 AM »
I find it extremely unlikely to explain this phenomenon by claiming the Sun both increases in apparent size as it moves away and conveniently dims into darkness at exactly the moment the alleged perspective effect of sunset brings it below the horizon.
Well, yes. We'd expect you to familiarise yourself with the basics of FET instead of making up an explanation of your own and then decrying that your explanation is bad. Please put some more effort into future upper fora threads.


Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: January 14, 2020, 04:58:55 PM »
Trump announced his candidacy with the escalator ride on June 16th, 2015. The Simpsons short "Trumptastic Voyage" aired on July 7th, 2015.
In other words:

Are they time travelers?

Yes, they traveled forward in time and then they made the episode. The plot thickens.

Indeed, there is. In the future, please put more effort into your threads than just saying "A thing on the Internet exists"

In fact, there are two of them circulating at the same time. Many people on Twitter seem to think it's particularly noteworthy. It isn't.

It's pretty obvious that the stars are in motion relative to the Earth (and, to state the obvious, that the Earth is in motion relative to the stars). The fact that a photographer chose to stabilise his timelapse on a particular star provides us with no new insight, even if it's pretty.

EDIT: For reference, here are the two videos that the OP may be referring to - hopefully we can save some people from visiting the cancer that is Reddit.

Suggestions & Concerns / MOVED: Where to post?
« on: January 14, 2020, 10:00:45 AM »

If the sun was a spotlight, I assume it would only emit light downwards.
Stop assuming, start reading. You're expected to familiarise yourself with the basics before posting here.

Flat Earth Theory / Re: Lunar Eclipses
« on: January 13, 2020, 04:09:17 PM »
Specifically the  shadow of the anti moon needs to be seen on the moon.
Yes. Do we need to state every obvious detail?

Since the anti moon is on the other side of the sun.
This is obviously not the case during a lunar eclipse. It's perfectly possible for the Sun and antimoon to be located far from the observer (i.e. the observer experiences night), and for the antimoon's shadow to eclipse the Moon.

Flat Earth Theory / Re: Lunar Eclipses
« on: January 13, 2020, 03:07:02 PM »
However the correct alignment to produce lunar eclipse would be

Anti Moon (night side)
Moon (night side)
This is incorrect. All that needs to be visible from the night side is the antimoon's shadow.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: A question to our resident Brexiteer
« on: January 13, 2020, 12:06:51 PM »
We chose to join the EU, we can choose to leave - because we are sovereign.
For now. Texas chose to join the USA, a loose federation of states, but it can't leave the USA, the nation.

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