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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 04, 2021, 06:44:11 PM »
Sounds like good evidence that you are getting your information from bad sources.
Tumeni is his own source. To date, every time he said that something "has been reported" while providing no source, it turned out to be his fantasy. I strongly suggest that he shouldn't be engaged on things like this.

So it seems reasonable to ask questions about this model even if some members don't agree with it.
If you read my posts again (or for the first time, as the case may be), you might notice that I said nothing about asking questions, nor did I claim to disagree with the Ice Wall model (indeed, I stressed multiple times that this is the only model being discussed in this thread). I was forcefully objecting to a deliberate lie, which you either failed to understand or chose to defend. In either case, it does not make you look very good.

I am curious, though: did you fail to take note of what we objected to here, or are you once again arguing in bad faith?

Flat Earth Community / Re: A working map of the Flat Earth
« on: March 02, 2021, 09:55:55 PM »
I explained my reasoning for thinking that a map is necessary, so perhaps you could address that?
I tried. That's how we got to the point of you ditching the scientific method in favour of your personal flavour of consensus fanaticism. (This, by the way, beautifully illustrates what RE'ers do all the time. Declare the wonderful and rock-solid consensus, only to immediately ditch it in favour of opinions that clash with it.)

As I said: there is honestly not much more to say about that. A somewhat natural consequence of there not being much left to say is that I won't be able to say much more.

Flat Earth Community / Re: A working map of the Flat Earth
« on: March 02, 2021, 06:08:41 PM »
Surely consensus follows on from verifiability.
Yes, in an idealised world it might. Sadly, we live on Earth, regardless of its shape.

The starting point has to be a working map of the Earth
Even if I pretend not to see your conceit: we simply disagree. There is honestly not much more to say about that.

Flat Earth Community / Re: A working map of the Flat Earth
« on: March 02, 2021, 05:22:12 PM »
This example is from religious belief rather than Science. In Science, consensus is everything.
If your belief system (not actually representative of science, but perhaps that's where the capital "S" comes into play?) relies more on consensus than it does on verifiability, then our differences are even more severe than I originally suspected. I'm simply not going to be able to help you with that. You're pursuing something else than we are.

Flat Earth Community / Re: A working map of the Flat Earth
« on: February 28, 2021, 08:30:41 AM »
This is a huge problem for FE
Even if your next claim is correct - why? The degree of consensus does not translate to correctness. There is more consensus on religious matters among Jews than there is among Muslims, and both of those have fewer differences than Christians. Does that make one group more correct than the other? The answer is a rather emphatic "no".

since the RE model has one highly detailed model that is almost universally accepted
This is fundamentally false. If you spend some time here actually discussing issues rather than just trying to blindly push your preferred agenda, you will notice that the vast majority of RE posters here disagree with many fundamental assumptions of the "mainstream" RE model. The difference does not lie in the level of consensus (if anything, RE'ers are less consistent when allowed to speak freely), but rather different approaches to democratised knowledge. The RE doctrine allows the excuse of "oh, yeah, none of the posters here fully endorse or understand RET, but they're not who you should be listening to!" This is a deep philosophical difference we probably won't bridge any time soon. We want thoughts to be free, you want them to be strictly supervised by people you fetishise.

Show an A0 300 dpi map and then we can see if it matches reality.
For as long as you're presupposing your preferred worldview as "reality", you're wasting your time and ours. Do what you will with your time, but please respect ours.

Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Where is the sun at night?
« on: February 28, 2021, 08:21:52 AM »
Please familiarise yourself with the basics prior to posting here. Locked.

Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Where is the sun in daytime?
« on: February 28, 2021, 08:20:07 AM »
I doubt many people will pick you up on this subject, because it presupposes RET. We generally ignore subjects that boil down to "if the Earth is flat then why is it round?"

Playground taunts like "hnyeeeh, they won't reply because of how right I am" certainly don't inspire confidence, either. Perhaps you should re-evaluate your reasons for posting here?

Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Experiment proposal
« on: February 24, 2021, 07:35:13 PM »
I just arrived in this thread but I would argue strongly that GPS are not fake, or hoaxed using radio towers.
Nobody is proposing that, nor is anyone discussing any properties of GPS (or, more accurately, RTK) other than the fact that it relies on electromagnetism, rather than mechanics. Perhaps it would help for you to read the thread prior to posting in it?

If people are claiming that our phones send out a signal and communicate with the GPS satellites
That's not even remotely what this thread is about. Regicide may have misspoken slightly, but it's absolutely not worth putting any time into which device signals which, and when - the nature of the signal is what matters.

Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Experiment proposal
« on: February 24, 2021, 07:23:33 PM »
There seems to be some severe misunderstanding of how GPS works in this thread.
You are mistaken.

If you have an argument to make, make it. There is absolutely no need to post basic videos with no explanation as to why you're posting them.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: An Idea for the flat earth cover-up
« on: February 23, 2021, 02:56:30 PM »
If I'm missing the point, perhaps you could explain it to me?
It's really quite bland - for most practical purposes, other than illustrating the RET model currently considered as factual, people tend not to use globes.

Yes, he used a little bit of hyperbole, but this really isn't worth splitting hairs over (especially by pointing people to dictionaries, even after it was explained to you why that doesn't work, and especially by pointing to terrible "dictionaries").

It's really hard to believe that you're not being disingenuous here, and if you are, then naturally you shouldn't be posting here.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: An Idea for the flat earth cover-up
« on: February 23, 2021, 02:18:16 PM »
According to the dictionary you are wrong.
I wonder, do you actually not understand Action80's point here?

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: February 21, 2021, 10:28:05 PM »
As a non American, I assure you that the rest of the world is laughing at you far less now there’s a grown up in the White House.
I'm not sure citizens of Brexitville are the best judges of character out there. Indeed, I'd take the UK's opinion as a great bellwether for what not to believe.

Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Other Gravity Solutions
« on: February 21, 2021, 10:21:47 PM »
Why is there only one solution for gravity presented, which can't explain everything about ordinary modrel of gravity?
Please consider familiarising yourself with the basics of the Flat Earth Theory prior to posting here.


Flat Earth Community / Re: A working map of the Flat Earth
« on: February 18, 2021, 05:14:16 PM »
If you're moving longitude lines around and changing distances from what they are in reality
If you presume RET from the onset, then there is no point in you debating FET vs RET. In that case, you should probably leave the discussion to those who are interested.

Flat Earth Community / Re: A working map of the Flat Earth
« on: February 18, 2021, 02:12:18 PM »
So you're telling me of all the hundreds of thousands of FE believers in the world today, none of them is able to draw up a detailed map ?
Longitube is rather passionate about telling people that he thinks the Earth is round. Personally, I wouldn't put much stock in anything he says about FET. (And he knows better than to make these sort of comments here.)

The reality is that there are multiple competing models, some with a long history (and arguably mainstream), some rather new and original. You can find some of them at

Flat Earth Community / Re: Is Earth Moving?
« on: February 18, 2021, 01:29:33 PM »
The reason it is getting ripped to shreds so much
It's not getting "ripped to shreds". A few betabunkers are upset with it because they never bothered to try to understand how it works. Your self-importance is clouding your judgement.

it is trying to be both
Well, it isn't. If you're trying to read it that way, I'm not surprised you're unhappy. Luckily, that's a problem you created for yourself, and thus you can fix it quite easily.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, satisfying you isn't our priority - our target audience is not sycophants who come here to tell us how round they think the Earth is, and we likely won't waste much time on them.

Flat Earth Community / Re: Is Earth Moving?
« on: February 18, 2021, 09:35:00 AM »
I'd say my broader point still stands
Your broader point is an abuse of my brevity. I haven't referred anyone to the Wiki - I told them to familiarise themselves with the basics. "I won't read the Wiki for you" could easily be substituted with "I won't do your homework for you" (Oh, but Pete, there is no homework section on this website! How could someone possibly do homework that doesn't exist? This is a very serious contradiction, and I will demand to discuss it now!), for example.

And, for people like RazaTD (who simply come down here and post a deluge of nonsensical questions they think are "gotchas"), the Wiki would be a good starting point. Sure, it's not perfect, and some branching out to old threads and other FE resources will be necessary, but gosh darn it if I waste any more time on your insincere defence of permanoobs permanoobing.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes
« on: February 17, 2021, 10:27:24 PM »

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