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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: September 25, 2022, 08:04:07 PM »
Why aren't you asking the others why they were "obsessed" with Biden's lavatorial functions?
Because it's just one person, and he's completely unhinged. Not worth anyone's time.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: September 25, 2022, 10:04:14 AM »
People's obsession with Trump's dump truck of an arse is peak politics

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: The Queen
« on: September 20, 2022, 10:36:40 PM »
If Trump were president, he wouldn't just get front row seats. He'd be sitting in the coffin. That, my friends, is the Art of the Deal.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes
« on: September 15, 2022, 04:14:59 PM »
I can assume memes aren't real.
Oh, sweet summer child

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 14, 2022, 05:44:49 PM »
Unless he never backs it up.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 14, 2022, 05:23:14 PM »
He tweeted from the phone and/or computer he doesn't have.
I mean, presumably he can still walk into a store, buy a new phone, and tweet from it. Say what you want about the guy but I don't think he's impoverished.

He has a pc.  Because there is no way he does excel spreadsheets or powerpoints on his phone.
I'm not sure he would know how to fill in an Excel spreadsheet even if he had a PC. It's probably someone else's job.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Britain's Pedo Prince
« on: September 14, 2022, 07:35:48 AM »
But it's a good thing you see.  Countries that have a pedo monarch are much more stable and democratic than countries without a pedo monarch.
Not in the upper.

Flat Earth Investigations / Re: The Blatant Lies of National Geographic
« on: September 08, 2022, 03:05:14 PM »
I would go as far as to advocate that tfes makes this one of its next front page posts, demanding an apology and retraction of the video content from National Geographic. If they do not remove it then it is clear evidence of a lie to the public by a high profile science and education organization.
I will happily support this. Would you like to put together a post to that effect? Just post in any board and ping me so I can move it to Announcements.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Liz Truss
« on: September 07, 2022, 07:36:42 PM »
Boris is charismatic
I know this won't come as a surprise at this point, but wow, you and I really read people differently. Are we talking about the same person?

Anyway, my expectation is that Truss will be relatively milquetoast. She's a boring candidate that will continue pushing the Tory agenda, which is pretty shit, but I don't think she's about to be dramatically worse than Johnson or May.

Maybe, just maybe, we'll get an opposition at some point so people can start voting for not-Tories in General Elections.

Nobody "wonders" that. Not even you.

If anyone apart from you does, just leave them to tell me.
Allow me to clarify. While you post here, you will follow basic netiquette. I explained what you need to do and why for your benefit. If you can't follow these simple steps, you will not post here.

Twitter @erickbellomy
Tumeni, for the love of Bambi. Copy the link to the tweet and paste it here. It will display the tweet together with its source, so that people don't have to wonder whether you've made shit up every time you claim to have seen something.

Of course, in this case, you're talking about footage which was released by the authorities, illustrating that the checks and balances in place appear to be adequate. But it would be so refreshing if you provided this information yourself, rather than sending people on a wild goose chase with nothing but inflammatory and unsourced comments you farted out.

Yeah, with all due respect, BillO, you're the one who's misinterpreting others' intentions here.

You really think I'm an idiot, eh Pete?
Not an idiot per se, but I have a sneaking suspicion you've never produced a digital painting, and that you don't understand the work that ordinarily goes into it. It's the only way you could make this comment:

However ..

.. he won in the digital art category ..

I'm still not convinced we all need to run for the hills screaming tough.

and think that it somehow diminished the issue. You're clearly dismissive of the form, and it is my opinion that it's rooted in inexperience.

Also, the article was not clear on whether or not it was disclosed as being an AI creation before it was evaluated.  That would be interesting to know.
He did not:

BillO, out of curiosity, what do you think "digital art" entails?

Since I have not done that why would I bother?
Well, you did claim that your brand of "science" is "science as practiced by you know actual scientists". I'm glad you now realise that was incorrect. I guesss this is a special case of you using words without knowing what they mean.

You can make the case for that if you like, I doubt you will do so and my "brand" of science is science as practiced by you know actual scientists.
To support your claim, please name 3 scientists who follow the approach of "just state any old shit and claim that 'all the data shows it' without providing any evidence".

If the universe, even if its a multi-verse, is everything than everything is natural.
It is a good idea to understand the words you use before you use them.

I really like GauGAN2 (and its descendant, Nvidia Canvas) for that kind of purpose.

Like, that's pretty damn cool. If you need a random backdrop for a larger art piece, you can now specify the rough shape of the scenery.

However, the real patrons of visual art will not be interested in hanging some AI produced soulless image on their walls.
I mean, you're obviously correct there. However, I still worry that this changes the threat model for potential artists. Currently, you'll either make it big or you'll live an OK life producing art for commercial use - the kind that doesn't appeal to "the real patrons", but which clearly has its place in the world.

If AI were to take that segment over, your threat model becomes "you'll either make it big, or, uh, enjoy wasting half of your life becoming an expert at something nobody wants". How many people are going to take that risk?

As for where this is going, I have no more idea than anyone else.  However its interesting to note that self driving cars was thought to be pretty doable, we'll have this working in just a few years.  But it turns out its a lot harder than originally thought.  It would not surprise me if we find that creating art (as something that inspires that touches people etc) is in a similar class.
This is an interesting point, and of course part of the issue here is that "art" is a very broad spectrum of things, ranging from works meant to inspire to more mundane things like, I dunno, the cover image for an opinion piece on a news site.

That latter half of the spectrum is important, because it's a somewhat reliable source of income. It's a safety net for someone who wants to get into (visual) arts - maybe they'll make it big, or maybe they'll live a comfortable enough life creating something that might not make them the next Michaelangelo, but which provides clear value to society. In my opinion, it's that safety net that's currently at risk.

To try and illustrate that point, here are a couple of AI-generated oil paintings of Trump, currently on fire*:

Now, is this revolutionary art that's going to inspire generations? Of course not. But could it be used as the cover of the next WaPo article about how Trump is a criminal? Yeah, probably. So, if an idiot like me can spit that out of a generator without having to pay for a stock photo or a comissioned art piece, what's stopping large companies from never commissioning artwork again?

* - I should note that while DALL-E 2 is supposed to be restricted from generating images relating to real people, those restrictions are terrible.

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