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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Is the UK okay?
« on: August 26, 2024, 06:00:54 PM »Nevertheless, he was very clearly talking about prosecuting people for the crime of "inciting" people to commit crimes by posting online.Right - and that's illegal in the USA, so collaborating with US law enforcement shouldn't surprise you.
He's talking about prosecuting people for expressing opinions online or calling for actions that rile up other people or encourage them to commit crimes.I don't understand your point. Like I said, if people committed crimes in the UK, then fucked off and carried on committing crimes in other countries, typically those two countries will work together to track the individual down and have them face the consequences. I'm not sure why you're saying this all serious-like: No, I'm not misreading this, I'm not taking it out of context, law enforcement really do be enforcing laws. Chilling stuff.
There are at least three people who have been punished for this already.Right. But that's identical to the USA. I don't understand how you're only now discovering that inciting violence is not acceptable in the West.
Some pertinent quotes from your first example:
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Jordan Parlour, 28, was jailed for 20 months after pleading guilty to inciting racial hatred with Facebook posts in which he advocated an attack on a hotel in Leeds as part of the violent public disorder that swept England last week.
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In Northampton, Tyler Kay, 26, was given three years and two months in prison for posts on X that called for mass deportation and for people to set fire to hotels housing asylum seekers.
For what it's worth, I'd strongly suggest not posting "Dagnabbit, those there immigrant hotels, we should burn these sonovaguns down! Come join me on <date> at <time>! Load my guns and horn my swaggle, we're goin' a' killin' tonight!" It's not gonna go well for you.
Also, out of curiosity - do you know who Wayne O’Rourke is, or did you just bring him up because you thought the short article supported your position?
I wish I could find more timely examples, but there's a guy who dressed his dog up as a NaziOnce again, I'm assuming you have no idea who "Count Dankula" is, and outside of "haha wow silly Britain arrested a guy for a Nazi dog!!!!!" you have no awareness of his long history with law enforcement?
The lengths you've been going to defend actual neo-Nazis here are impressive. I know this is out of extreme incompetence and not malice, but I'm not sure I'll be able to take you seriously the next time you claim to not be racist, or to support anti-racist movements.
and there's a guy who ranted about Muslims online.I'm not sure how you can see a man who posted photos of himself holding a gun and threatened to kill people based on their religion and decide that it was "ranting about Muslims". It really surprises me that you see no difference between making credible threats on people's lives and "ranting". Then again, I understand you've got a mythology to defend here.
According to this article, there was even a huge anti-hate speech crackdown some years ago, with thousands of people being arrested over the course of a year.Have you read that article? Did you follow up on what happened after it was published? It's talking about law enforcement overstepping its boundaries, and it has since led to significant adjustments. Like, yea, things went badly eight years ago when the government was trying to respond to a rise in violence. Lessons were learned, changes were implemented, and now things are going less badly. This is a good thing - it shows that our system works, and self-corrects when needed. I think y'all could learn from that, and it's not the big "gotcha" you were looking for.
There did appear to be a certain negative connotationNah, c'mon, both sides here are doing a bit. Just as Rushy and Roundy are grossly exaggerating for comedic effect, so am I. Cue one of them pointing out that they're not exaggerating at all, and me confirming that America is literally North Korea in turn.
More importantly, American schoolchildren are not required to say the pledge of allegiance. They only have to stand during it. That changes everything.I stand (🥁) corrected.