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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Experiment with sun sets

« on: February 28, 2018, 12:33:45 AM »

The ground does rise to eye level. Look at the horizon. The ground there is higher than the ground beneath your feet.

Why? Because you look down at your feet, then raise your eyes to see the horizon?

That's just optical illusion. I'm on the approach flightpath to an airport. Every day I see planes on my horizon, miles away from my house, and they climb in my field of view to go over my house. But I know from online trackers and from details of arrivals at the airport that they're not climbing. They're coming in to land, and descending.

It's the reverse of your feet and horizon illusion

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Flat Earth Community / Re: SpaceX BFR

« on: February 27, 2018, 09:18:53 PM »

Personally, I don't think it was edited or fake.

I agree. I made a few videos, including an analysis of the first hour of coverage, comparing the shots from the roadster with those from a Japanese weather satellite.



There's so much correlation between the two, that there's no way it could be a 'CGI' construction, as has been claimed. It was webcast live, how would SpaceX know enough in advance about the weather all around the planet to get it to correlate with the ongoing feeds from the weather sats?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: satellite hoax

« on: February 26, 2018, 11:08:53 AM »

“...saw NO satellites, NO ISS,

Out of camera range.

NO space debris,

Well, we did, except Team Hoax insist it was 'bubbles' ....

NO oblate spheroid

Most folks are watching on PCs or smaller devices; too small to see the oblatemness

NO spinning Earth

Why would you, when the craft is rotating and orbiting far faster?

“People who believe that the Earth is a globe because ‘they saw a car in space on the Internet’ must be the new incarnation of ‘It's true, I saw it on TV!’

... but there's a whole tranche of folk who not only saw it on TV and webcasts, they tracked it with their telescopes and found it exactly where it should have been. 

SpaceX have fourteen launches lined up for the remainder of this year. Since the Tesla, they've already done another standard launch from Vandenberg. These fourteen include TWO MORE Falcon Heavy launches, wherein they will be launching commercial payloads for paying customers.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: What is eye level?

« on: February 26, 2018, 01:07:03 AM »

Well, it doesn't "rise to eye level" at all...

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why is the Earth not round

« on: February 25, 2018, 04:30:13 PM »

If you draw in the line of the horizon into your illustration, like I did on page 1, you will find that the moon would be seen pointing towards the earth.

The pointer is the brightest area of the moon's phase - the apex of the crescent. The moon's crescent is  supposed to point towards the sun.

The apex IS pointing to the Sun. It intersects the horizon line you've drawn, but that doesn't mean it's pointing toward the observer's horizon, for you haven't drawn that. You've drawn a side view of the plane of the observer's horizon.

See my annotated version below;

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why is the Earth not round

« on: February 25, 2018, 03:01:10 AM »

If you draw in the line of the horizon into your illustration, like I did on page 1, you will find that the moon would be seen pointing towards the earth.

Drawing a blue line on my diagram doesn't change the orientation of the Moon in the diagram. The Moon is still 'pointing' toward the Sun, regardless of whether you draw a blue line across it or not.

The pointer is the brightest area of the moon's phase - the apex of the crescent. The moon's crescent is  supposed to point towards the sun.

And it does, in all my diagrams

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why is the Earth not round

« on: February 25, 2018, 02:58:54 AM »

Even if the sun does line up with the moon, the scenario is still geometrically unsound. The moon needs to be pointing TOWARDS the earth in the RET model, not away from it.

Says who or what? Which particular aspect of the RET model are you referring to here?


If the observer is in night, the direction of the sun is down towards the earth on the day side.

If the observer is in day, the direction of the sun is exactly the same, surely? The direction to and from the sun doesn't change because one or more folk have moved around on Earth


The moon should NOT be seen pointing away from the earth.

Yes, it should. It should be pointing at the source of light, which can be 'seen' by the Moon on a line going PAST the Earth to the Sun

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why is the Earth not round

« on: February 24, 2018, 06:42:30 PM »

Illustrate it for us. You keep showing illustrations where the moon is pointing TOWARDS the earth.

My illustrations show the sightline between Earth and Moon.

You do see the shading, white/grey to show lit and unlit sides of each, don't you?

Show something where the observer is on the night side and the moon is pointing AWAY from the earth.

I think I have. I've shown London on the night side, and the lit side of the Moon linked to the Sun PAST the side of the Earth, i.e. AWAY from the Earth.  It's in the YT video linked to above.

You still haven't explained what you regard as your "pointer".

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why is the Earth not round

« on: February 24, 2018, 06:33:28 PM »

The moon is pointing AWAY from the earth in this illustration. The center point is out into space. It needs to be pointing TOWARDS the earth, since the sun is on the day side.

Covered this already.

Sun/Earth/Moon at three points of a triangle. Earth is at the point opposite the side connecting Sun and Moon. Sunlight passes along this line to illuminate the Moon. The centre point of Moon's lit side is aligned with this line.

You, the observer, are up to 240k miles to the side of this line. The Sun shines past the Earth. 

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why is the Earth not round

« on: February 24, 2018, 06:23:50 PM »

Sorry, but you're just repeating yourself.

Please explain what you mean by the Moon phase 'pointing' in any particular direction. What's the pointer? How are you identifying this 'pointer' on my diagrams? Is it one of the lines I've drawn, or another one that's in your imagination? If the latter, how are we supposed to know what it is?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why is the Earth not round

« on: February 24, 2018, 06:15:36 PM »

The moon phase is still pointing towards the horizon in both of those images. You need the moon phase to point AWAY from the horizon.

Please explain further what you mean by this, or better still, illustrate it for us. I've shown a line connecting moon and sun, and the illuminated hemisphere of the Moon faces the Sun. To my mind, that IS the 'phase' pointing toward the Sun.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why is the Earth not round

« on: February 24, 2018, 05:44:48 PM »

Presuming Tom's example photo to have been taken from London, as suggested above, here's a demo of how a viewer in London can see the Moon in their south-east, whilst themselves being in twilight, and hence unable to see the Sun.

I've taken no account of axial tilt, since I don't know when the photo was taken, so this should be taken as an approximation to demonstrate the principle.

In the first slide, you HAVE to use your imagination, for the Moon should be nearer to you than the flat of the page/screen. This is reflected in the plan view second slide.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why is the Earth not round

« on: February 24, 2018, 03:51:11 PM »

In the illustrations in #42, three lines connect Earth and Moon. However, the range of locations from which the Moon can be observed are best described with reference to a Spherical Cap.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_cap

Determine position of Moon, draw a line connecting the centres of both bodies, passing through the points on their surfaces which are nearest each other, and the range of locations from which the Moon can be seen will be described by a spherical cap, where line h passes through this connecting line, and the meeting point of lines a and r is the point at which a line can be drawn from the Moon to a tangent on Earth's surface.



Anyone on Earth at the highest point of line h will have the Moon directly overhead. Anyone at the end of line a/r will have it on their horizon. Anyone inbetween will see the Moon at some elevation between these extremes.

In short, you need more info on observer/photographer location before drawing a horizon line for such an observer.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Why is the Earth not round

« on: February 24, 2018, 01:01:31 PM »

Good. Now which of those positions you've created illustrates the phase of the moon facing AWAY from the horizon?

You do realise all these illustrations are from the position of an imaginary observer suspended in space, set off to the side of the Earth/Moon/Sun system (EDIT - ABOVE the system), and that you have to turn these around, possibly invert them, to imagine yourself as the observer on Earth, don't you?

Simply drawing a line on these diagrams shows a tangent line based on their imaginary position, not a horizon line from their viewpoint....

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: satellite hoax

« on: February 24, 2018, 12:55:40 PM »

Were all laughing in your faces for believing all the nonsense of space. There's a dome, no one is going anywhere.

I genuinely can't tell if you missed out the sarcasm emoji or not.

Are you being serious?

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Oregon FE meetup Sat 27 Jan

« on: February 23, 2018, 03:45:11 PM »

Do you actually understand the purpose of the thread? If you have nothing to add, then refrain from posting. Warned.

How can asking a supplementary question for clarity be held up as "nothing to add" ... ?   

The original purpose of the thread was merely an advert, surely?

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Oregon FE meetup Sat 27 Jan

« on: February 23, 2018, 12:08:11 PM »

So .. it's essentially a summary of historical works, with no new information, and no actual field work or research by the speaker?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Orbiting International Space Station visible from Telescope

« on: February 23, 2018, 11:07:48 AM »

Look at SpaceX's launches. They go East from Florida when aiming for non-polar orbits, and South from Vandenberg when aiming for polar orbit with the likes of Iridium.

BTW, they have around 14 more scheduled for this year, including two more Falcon Heavy launches (i.e. the Tesla in space wasn't a fluke, nor a hoax)

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Oregon FE meetup Sat 27 Jan

« on: February 23, 2018, 11:01:07 AM »

I jumped in at 10 mins, and he's whining about non-FE being mean to FE. 

My experience is exactly the reverse of this, particularly on YouTube. The profanity, anger and hostility ALWAYS emanates from the flattie, the "natural science" proponent, the one who tells you it's a "globe lie".

That and the over-enthusiastic use of YouTube's blocking facility to hide the comments of those who disagree with them.


Gods, he's tediously slow and laboured.

Would anyone be willing to summarise the salient points, and indicate where in the video these are made?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: satellite hoax

« on: February 23, 2018, 10:51:41 AM »

planewavemedia have tracking videos.  In one screen shot, you can see the output from the telescope (the satellite itself, with the starfields moving behind it), the telescope itself in motion as it tracks the satellite, a stellar map showing where the telescope is pointing, and a data window, showing the raw data relating to the track

This is just their most recent tracking video - there's around half a dozen more at their channel




Asserting that GPS is "ground-based" is merely a diversion tactic, for most of the sats up there are not GPS satellites

Domestic Satellite TV/Radio
Fleet Tracking
Weather Monitoring/Mapping
General Mapping
General Communications
News Gathering
Event Relay & Broadcast
Military Apps
etc
etc



The Space Geodesy Facility in the UK specialises in bouncing lasers off the passing satellites to track them. They are part of the wider International Laser Ranging Service. I'll leave you to look up the other member organisations

http://sgf.rgo.ac.uk/


I've watched the ISS go by myself. I have, on more than one occasion, seen it twice in one evening, separated by around 90 mins. Do I need to tell you why that proves it to be a satellite, and not a balloon/aircraft/hologram?

This guy uses auto tracking software to video the ISS