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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: September 15, 2021, 05:08:22 PM »
The unhealthy. They need the vax. Everyone else will be fine.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Holy shit, vegans suck
« on: September 13, 2021, 03:52:33 PM »
Which isn't to say that farming techniques don't cause animals to suffer unnecessarily because they do. And I don't think they should.
But...sausages and burgers are bloody lovely. Which makes me a bit of a hypocrite but at least I own up to it.

I am someone who eats meat and I do it because I love animals.

Last night I went to a restaurant and ordered a lamb shank roast dinner. It was delicious. Now sure ... a lamb died in order I could eat it. But that lamb at least existed and had likely a reasonably nice life plodding around fields eating with its friends until its demise. Vegans are trying to push extinction.

Imagine everyone bought into 'meat is murder'. Then who farms sheep? You can't make money from the wool (you get 65p per fleece in the UK and it costs £1.65 per sheep to get them shawn. In other words it costs a farmer £1 every time a sheep is shawn and they do it for the animal's welfare, not profit). So if farming sheep becomes unviable because no one is eating meat ... sheep become extinct. No one can afford to keep them. They can't survive in the wild ... they are domesticated animals.

Vegans have a wicked agenda. They are trying to remove all kinds of species of animal from the planet. Cows, pigs, chickens, etc. I am keeping those animals alive with my purchasing choices. I ensure those animals are preserved for the next generation by putting a viable business model underneath them. Vegans will cry about a decline in a penguin population and then push the extinction of farm animals because they are too dumb to see the bigger picture.

If you love animals ... tuck into one for dinner tonight. Its for their own good.

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: New Users’ Posting Rights
« on: September 04, 2021, 06:32:15 PM »
Moderators in this analogy clean up the place when it has been trashed, and they throw the person out so they can’t do more damage.
Bouncers stop them getting in in the first place.
We're hardly over run. We need those ass hats with the leaflets who promise you free shots if you go into the bar to get more people in, not bouncers keeping people out. Otherwise you'll come into your favourite bar and it'll just be you, me and Tom Bishop nursing a beer.

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: New Users’ Posting Rights
« on: September 04, 2021, 09:52:10 AM »
They might have someone on the door to try and make sure you’re not just there to trash the place…
You mean like a moderator?

he took his shirt off and was a bit portly like yourself
Now under 11½ stone. Stomach is flat, thank you. There is a glimmer of a six pack there under a generous layer of bacon. I'm working on the bacon now.  >:(

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: New Users’ Posting Rights
« on: September 04, 2021, 12:30:35 AM »
No. The introduce yourself thread, would be like the friendly chat thread where you just break the ice.
Why should anyone be forced to do that? If you went to your local bar, do they ask you to stand on a table and introduce yourself, or can you just go order a beer?

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: New Users’ Posting Rights
« on: September 03, 2021, 11:54:04 PM »
I've seen some boards where there's an "introduce yourself" board, a person's first post has to be there before they are released in to the wild (that could happen automatically, or manual review).
A terrible idea. Instead of making a post asking the thing you want to ask, you now have to dox yourself in a community you know nothing about. You don't know what lurks here when you arrive. The last thing you want to do on a strange forum is start telling everyone else about yourself. Most people dip a toe into the forum. They ask about sunsets or link 100 things someone else thought of because it feels safe not giving anything away about yourself. And with some luck, Tom Bishop or Total Lackey or someone will interact with them, p*** them off and draw a conversation out of them. Welcome to

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: August 31, 2021, 01:14:28 PM »
Let's just say he is as guilty as Prince Andrew, perhaps more so when you recall that he bragged about going in to the Miss Teen USA dressing room when the contestants were in there and grabbing women by the pussy.
Again, allegations aren't convictions. We don't live in the era of witch trials. Please get some better standards.

Only billions are terrible?  You whinge about people in the UK losing their jobs to other EU citizens, but it takes billions of deaths to be a tragedy?  That's pretty sick.
Pandemic ... not epidemic. Come back to me when billions.

Trump insisted it was not a problem in public, while acknowledging it was a serious problem in private.  You should try and keep up.
That's a way to stop panic. Panic causes problems.

The millions who died from it would disagree.
How? Being dead is somewhat of a disability when it comes to expressing one's own opinion.

It hasn't gone away at all.  Please at least have your silly trolls informed by real life facts.  Many red states in the US are hitting new highs in deaths and hospitalizations this week.
Fudged numbers from the corporate drug pushers. Look around you. What do YOU see?

Yet the US has hundreds of thousands of excess deaths that correlate quite strongly with increases in COVID cases.  But you don't care because it's not you.
Why would you bother looking after people who can't be bothered to look after themselves? - hold that thought, its going to come up again in a second.

I eagerly await your applause for Biden not only avoiding conflict but actively ending one then.
Credit where credit is due. Ending the war in Afghanistan was a good policy. Its actually a Trump policy that Biden inherited, but the execution of the withdrawal on Biden's watch has been a shit show.

He did so in a way that actively hurt the American economy by demonstrably not understanding how tariffs work. 
No, he successfully started bringing jobs back to the USA.

Did he try to enforce law and order? Yes.
Except when he encouraged his followers to violence.  Then he encouraged that.
The never-ending CNN lie about insurrection. Give it up. It's a non-story. ::)

I don't care if he said he wanted to grab a woman by the pussy once upon a time.

Of course you don't.  You have often underplayed how serious a crime rape is.  I sincerely hope you aren't projecting.
That would be sexual assault. Not rape. Why do you always exaggerate?

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: August 31, 2021, 11:34:45 AM »
Tell me ... what was the terrible thing Trump did?

You mean aside from all the sexual assault allegations?

Are people guilty until proven innocent in the USA? So your big hatred comes down to allegations by those looking for money, fame or political gain? But no hard evidence or conviction. In other words ... Trump was great but you can't admit you voted for a deranged old fool instead by mistake because you are too proud. Got it.

Well, there was that time we had a terrible pandemic
What terrible pandemic? How many billions died? Where are all the dead otherwise healthy people?

and Trump spent several months insisting that there was no problem,
It wasn't.

it wasn't a big deal,
It was made into a big deal, but the virus itself wasn't a big deal, no.

and it would go away by itself very quickly,
Pretty much what has happened. Vaccines are getting the credit for the work done by natural immunity at this point.

and also indirectly encouraged his followers to refuse to wear a mask in public.
On the advice of Dr Fauchy. Is Trump supposed to contradict the chief medical officer? You'd have screamed bloody murder if he had.

We'll never know what would have happened if there had been a competent president in the Oval Office rather than someone asleep at the wheel, but hundreds of thousands of Americans are dead, and Trump must bear some responsibility for that.
Hundreds and thousands of Americans die every year. They die prematurely because they are as fat as fuck and never exercise.

Also, the discussion was about Biden's behavior and mannerisms being "embarrassing" to a certain type of conservative who supported Trump. I'm in full agreement with AATW that that is the height of hypocrisy after four years of Trump's bullying, insults, and general boorish behavior.
Trump spoke his mind. Biden reads other people's minds off of a teleprompter as he no longer has one of his own. You picked a rotten President this time around and he as already made more terrible mistakes than Trump made in 4 years.

lol... I'd start a list but I have to work today, I don't have several hours to recount every awful thing Trump did while in office but I invite you to read over the Trump thread if you've really forgotten, most of it is in there.
I don't care about CNN knicker wetting over minutia. Did he start any wars? No. Did he try to reign in China? Yes. Did he try to enforce law and order? Yes. Then he did a pretty good job. I don't care if he said he wanted to grab a woman by the pussy once upon a time.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: August 30, 2021, 02:25:17 PM »
an apologist for everything Trump did.

What exactly did Trump do? I'd be interested to know the terrible things he did. Based on his actions and policies, I'd say he was a reasonably good president. I mean, he didn't surrender to the Taliban and leave £billions of military hardware in Afghanistan. He didn't read everything from a teleprompter and only take questions from pre-selected journalists. He knew what day of the week it was.

Tell me ... what was the terrible thing Trump did?

Technology & Information / Red Dead Redemption 2
« on: August 21, 2021, 10:29:27 AM »
I just bought this. I doubt I'll be online for the next 3 weeks. See you all later.  :-*

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: The Taliban Won
« on: August 17, 2021, 10:07:56 PM »
Where is the evidence their interpretation is 'heinous'?

I am not going to repeat myself.  Feel free to circle back and have another go.
Yeah, I don't accept your INDIVIDUAL one off anecdotes. If you've nothing else to add, we'll park it there. In every country there are a minority of bad people. That doesn't make the Taliban heinous.

You said millions of Afghans are content.  I am asking you to prove that, not prove they aren't being persecuted.
Its the same thing. You are asking me to prove that they are ok. Well they aren't dead, fleeing or being mass raped. That's ok. Got anything saying they aren't ok? They being more than say 5 of them, because I know how much you like to equate one=many with your lousy sources.

Women, as an entire class, were not allowed to be educated under Taliban rule.  Women, as an entire class, were prevented from working.  Please take the time to read what I write carefully, so you don't make elementary errors like this again.
Women have gone back to work in Afghanistan, women are being offered rights in Afghanistan, women will probably fare better being as 20 years have gone by and even the Taliban will catch up with the rest of the world one day. They are making all the right moves right now.

You declared that everthing was fine for women because one appeared on an Afghani news network.
Never did I say that. Feel free to find that quote.

I asked you why you trusted that news network, when you don't trust other media networks.
I still don't think you realise who Al Jazeera are. They are not Afghanis.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: The Taliban Won
« on: August 17, 2021, 07:20:10 PM »
Ah yes, the incredibly equitable Islamic law.
It is an islamic country. Were you expecting them to adopt French law?

They were always enforcing Islamic Law. Their particular interpretation was heinous. Maybe they’ve changed, but I will want to see evidence of that.
Where is the evidence their interpretation is 'heinous'? The war was justified by 9/11 ... which is them hurting Americans, not each other.

So no evidence of millions of content Afghans. Got it.
The people as described are getting on just fine. No evidence of millions being persecuted. The burden of proof is on you. You can't ask me to prove something isn't happening. You have to prove it is.

I’ve shown you evidence of systemic oppression of women by the Taliban as well.
An isolated incident isn't 'systematic oppression'. You keep giving me isolated incidents. That isn't proof. I could give you isolated incidents of murder in the UK. It doesn't mean everyone is a murderer.

The evidence the BBC used was Afghan television. It was literally the entire point of the article. In fact, all the BBC added was where the embedded video originated from and a headline. It feels like you didn’t click your own link.
So I received BBC news and you want me to accept it as Afghani news? No, I got my news and viewpoint from the BBC. They decided what I should and shouldn't see. They were the gatekeepers. Not the Afghanis.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: The Taliban Won
« on: August 17, 2021, 05:23:13 PM »
No women are not all having acid thrown in their face, but there are some other take always you should acknowledge. Women are not allowed to attend school. This was reported by Al Jazeera, so it’s not just a MSM ploy as you have asserted.
The Taliban have already asserted today that 'women will have rights within Islamic law'.

Being as they are rebranding the country as "Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan" that isn't much of a surprise.

Basically cover your head and do all the other dumb stuff Islamic women have to do and there's no problem.

Along with putting female newsreaders back on the news, offering everyone an amnesty and generally running the place sensibly. What is the problem?

Quote from:
It's much busier in the city than yesterday. There is much more traffic, a few more shops are open, and people are doing their usual jobs.

There have been no reports of violence in the city - no sound of gunfire or helicopters. I can hear a few military jets flying high over the city.

I can see the Taliban presence has increased. Fighters have come from different areas of Afghanistan, the majority of them from Logar province south of the capital. They say they are here to keep order.

The ones I have seen are behaving nicely with people. Sometimes they even ask if you are alright, or if you need help with anything.

I spoke with two street vendors in the centre on Tuesday. As poor Afghans, they said it didn't make any difference to them whether it was the Taliban or Americans in charge.
^ There's the quote you wanted. Poor Afghans don't care who is in charge. It makes no odds to them.

I’ve already given you an example of horrible acts that occur in Taliban Afghanistan. Just a couple of days ago, they admitted to killing a comedian for… reasons.
I'm not interested in your isolated incidents. US soldiers are forever getting called up on war crimes, rapes, murders, torture. Individuals are not the voice of the Taliban.

I never said they were terrorists. I said they were a totalitarian theocracy. Please try and rebut the points I have made.
Well that's just name calling. The US called them terrorists. Now you are calling them a totalitarian theocracy. You just walked away from the terrorist tag. I doubt you've any better evidence for the 'totalitarian theocracy' one.

You posted a BBC link with an embedded clip from the Afghani news outlet, Tolo News, and held that up as proof that women are not oppressed by the Taliban.
So my source was the BBC and not Afghani news. Thank you for clearing that up. I trust you are now satisfied I am not taking my queues from Afghani television. 🙄

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: The Taliban Won
« on: August 17, 2021, 04:38:35 PM »
Ignorance is not an excuse. Here is Al Jazeera reporting on a girl who had acid thrown in her face because she wanted to attend school, which women were barred from doing under the Taliban
No no no. You don't get to do that. That's a MSM trick. You find a single example of something and make out that it is commonplace. Its not. It made world news precisely because it isn't and because it fits with the narrative. One mental person doing something awful isn't typical of the Taliban any more than a school shooter in the USA is typical of Republican voters.

So no evidence that millions are content. As expected.
No evidence they are in danger, either. You are the one asserting things are going to get bad. Prove it.

I'd like you to engage your brain for a second.
No need for personal attacks.
Not a personal attack. I'm asking you use some critical thought rather than parroting back to me something you read.

The Taliban asking people to stay and remain calm says nothing about their intentions of how they will treat them.
Terrorists do not ask people to remain calm. Quite the opposite.

History has shown them to be a totalitarian theocracy and I’m not sure why that would change.
And the USA is a totalitarian democracy. What's the difference?

You literally started this by holding up a clip of a woman on Afghan television as proof that the Taliban will treat women equitably, despite the evidence that they have treated them barbarically in the past. This is your absurd point we are discussing.
Al Jazeera isn't Afghan television. It is a Middle Eastern media outlet based in Doha, Washington and London.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: The Taliban Won
« on: August 17, 2021, 03:30:03 PM »
Ok, but what about when Afghani women talk about them?
What are they saying? I'm not seeing any complaints other than those of leftist academic women from Afghanistan who are pushing the liberal agenda into our MSM again and getting paid to say the things they say.

How do you know there are millions of content people?
The only people bleating, are those who latched onto western powers to rule the nation. The enemy of the Taliban.

I'd like you to engage your brain for a second.
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The Taliban has declared an “amnesty” across Afghanistan and urged women to join its government, trying to calm nerves across a tense capital city that only the day before saw chaos at its airport as thousands mobbed the city’s international airport in a desperate attempt to flee.
So, the Taliban reach out to women. Offer amnesty to those who are its natural enemies. And thousands ... not millions flee.
^This doesn't sound dangerous. Its sounds like the American puppet government is being kicked out and other Afghanis are just coming in to rule. And they have no axe to grind, but they want independence from the USA. Sure, the USA have been humiliated again, their fall-of-Saigon images are all over world news and likely Kim Jon Un and pals are going to wave their dicks about knowing America wouldn't dare get into another long war it can't win. But I don't think this is dangerous for the average Afghani citizen. It's a change of party. We have those all the time in our countries. They've been forced to have US endorsed candidates for 20 years. It should be noted other countries like Pakistan and China have welcomed the Taliban and wished them well. America could find itself on the wrong side of history.

Why would they have set up a new TV company when they just took over a city with one that is already functioning?  All they had to do was give them talking points.  You know, the thing you accuse Western Media of doing?
Because you keep labouring this point and for the avoidance of any doubt ... I have not been watching any Afghani television. I don't get Afghani channels. I don't know the name of any Afghani channels. I don't speak Dari or Pashto. I have never watched Afghani TV. Therefore I am confident they have not influenced my thinking in any way shape or form. Can we move on from this absurd point?

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: The Taliban Won
« on: August 17, 2021, 02:47:48 PM »
I am not sure why America being hypocrites on the international stage makes the Taliban any more palatable.
If you don't give a shit about Saudi women, why should I take you seriously when you complain about the rights of Afghan women? These trampled rights you speak of are probably not as terrible as America makes them out to be, when it suits America to talk of them.

A bunch of people fleeing the country indicates to you that people feel safe in that country?
Its not the people leaving, the few American lackies. Its the millions who seem content and are just getting on with their lives.

You are aware that the Taliban are back in control of the country?
And you are aware it takes more than a day to set up a TV company with a full agenda and get everyone singing from the same hymn sheet?

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: The Taliban Won
« on: August 17, 2021, 02:05:25 PM »
So in your mind, its more likely that a hardline Islamic Theocracy will treat women equitably than not, despite the Qu'ran proscribing harsh constraints on women's lives?
So you've been told. But Saudi Arabia and the UAE are affluent first world Islamic nations. They have a few rules on their women but I don't see America protesting that. Too busy buying oil.

How can they stop them?
With guns.
Borders are fairly porous things in landlocked countries with no walls.

I couldn't help noticing from the images on people fleeing on US aircraft ... they were all men of fighting age. Women and children were not fleeing. That's telling, I think.

What do you think that's telling us?
Its telling me the average Afghani doesn't think they are in any mortal danger.

I've never even seen Afghan media. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I don't believe our media. Its corrupt as hell.

The default position when you don't trust western media, shouldn't be to instantly trust the media you have never watched before.  This is especially surprising from you, considering your extensive history of Western chauvinism.
How am I trusting media that literally doesn't exist? There is no Taliban TV yet. What are you talking about?

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: The Taliban Won
« on: August 17, 2021, 01:53:40 PM »
How did you discern which are lies and which are truths?
Well how can anyone? You have to apply logic and common sense and hope you come up with something resembling the truth. What you can't do is let them spoonfeed you whatever they like.

Don't you think that if the Taliban are what we they are portrayed as, women won't be allowed to leave the country?
How can they stop them? I couldn't help noticing from the images of people fleeing on US aircraft ... they were all men of fighting age. Women and children were not fleeing. That's telling, I think.

^ A few women near the front, probably leaving with their husbands. Not many though. Its mostly young men. The ones who likely fought with the Americans.

So you don't believe Western MSM, but you do believe Afghanistan's MSM? Why is that?
I've never even seen Afghan media. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I don't believe our media. Its corrupt as hell.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: The Taliban Won
« on: August 17, 2021, 01:19:47 PM »
Why do you imagine the Taliban will have changed their treatment of women?
Its not that I think they change how they treat women. Its that I don't believe what I have been told by the MSM about how they treat their women. We are always told our enemies are monsters. Saddam Hussain had WMDs. Assad in Syrian is a madman. Kim Jon Un, also mad. As was Kim Jon Il. Its often lies to get you on board with an unpopular war.

Let's just let the dust settle and see. Driving all of the women out of your country isn't going to make for a very strong next generation of Taliban. I think much of what we got told is BS.
^Seems women are allowed to carry on as before.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: The Taliban Won
« on: August 17, 2021, 12:52:27 PM »
Except women. Women will be worse off. So half the population will be worse off. Oh, and all the men who think women shouldn’t be treated like slaves. They also will be worse off.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think America should have been there for 20 years and I don’t doubt on the ground level, many people won’t have their lives substantially disrupted. Except women, of course.
But that's just it. I don't think women will be persecuted in the way our media are saying. Can the Taliban AFFORD to educate girls? Mmmmm. Maybe not. Are they going to actively go out to attack women ... I'm not so sure they will. They all have mothers, sisters, daughters and wives. We should put a pin in that one and revisit when the dust settles. Being told a terrible outcome will occur by the media and that imagined doom actually coming to fruition are usually two very different things.

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