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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« Last post by Lord Dave on Today at 05:09:28 AM »

Here is how I was explained Prayer:
If enough people pray for something, and God is ok on changing his mind on that thing, he will. 

Like: if little Jimmy is dying of cancer and enough people pray hard enough, God might allow Jimmy to live instead of killing him.  But you can't know how many people is needed or if God is willing to change his mind.  So its a crap shoot.

Isn't God supposed to know what everyone is going to do before they do it? In which case he should already know whether they would pray and make the situation different from the start so they don't need to.

He does.  But he still wants them to do it before he does anything.

Basically: if ya don't beg, he won't consider making things better.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« Last post by xasop on August 10, 2022, 09:53:53 PM »

Here is how I was explained Prayer:
If enough people pray for something, and God is ok on changing his mind on that thing, he will. 

Like: if little Jimmy is dying of cancer and enough people pray hard enough, God might allow Jimmy to live instead of killing him.  But you can't know how many people is needed or if God is willing to change his mind.  So its a crap shoot.

Isn't God supposed to know what everyone is going to do before they do it? In which case he should already know whether they would pray and make the situation different from the start so they don't need to.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« Last post by Lord Dave on August 10, 2022, 09:45:00 PM »

Carney's organisation works with an evangelical law firm called ADF International whose London spokesperson Lois McLatchie has been interviewed by Scottish media saying the buffer zones "ban legitimate offers of help and silent prayer."

"Women have the right to hear about these options at the point of need and it is patronising of the government saying women don't want to hear this," McLatchie told BBC Scotland in a recent interview.

Excuse me, what? "Legitimate offers of help and silent prayer"? How exactly are these protests "helping" women?

Here is how I was explained Prayer:
If enough people pray for something, and God is ok on changing his mind on that thing, he will. 

Like: if little Jimmy is dying of cancer and enough people pray hard enough, God might allow Jimmy to live instead of killing him.  But you can't know how many people is needed or if God is willing to change his mind.  So its a crap shoot.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« Last post by WTF_Yuppie on August 10, 2022, 09:36:58 PM »

..... justify the personal irresponsibility of women.

Of course you meant, once again, to say the irresponsibility of men.  Either that or you're simply a sexist who thoroughly enjoys the patriarchy that the U.S. has always been and seems to be heading even further to being.

Men are already responsible. If a woman decides to have the baby, the man is responsible to support it by law and can't walk away. The man is sentenced to 18 years of labor to support the child. When a man complains the societal response is "Your fault, pay up!"

If the woman decides not to have the baby, she can do so without repercussion. She is not held to the same standards to be compelled to support her baby and can choose to kill it and escape responsibility.

Care to actually discuss what you said.  You were 100% blaming the woman for being "irresponsible" and getting pregnant.  It had nothing to do with legal responsibilities afterward.  Your statement was wholly to say that it is the woman's fault she's  pregnant.  This isn't the first time you've said it.  Nice try at deflecting and trying to say it was about something else.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« Last post by Rama Set on August 10, 2022, 09:29:19 PM »

Carney's organisation works with an evangelical law firm called ADF International whose London spokesperson Lois McLatchie has been interviewed by Scottish media saying the buffer zones "ban legitimate offers of help and silent prayer."

"Women have the right to hear about these options at the point of need and it is patronising of the government saying women don't want to hear this," McLatchie told BBC Scotland in a recent interview.

Excuse me, what? "Legitimate offers of help and silent prayer"? How exactly are these protests "helping" women?

You are kind of burying the lead:

an evangelical law firm

How the fuck is anyone supposed to take them seriously if this is on their business card?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« Last post by xasop on August 10, 2022, 09:27:19 PM »

Carney's organisation works with an evangelical law firm called ADF International whose London spokesperson Lois McLatchie has been interviewed by Scottish media saying the buffer zones "ban legitimate offers of help and silent prayer."

"Women have the right to hear about these options at the point of need and it is patronising of the government saying women don't want to hear this," McLatchie told BBC Scotland in a recent interview.

Excuse me, what? "Legitimate offers of help and silent prayer"? How exactly are these protests "helping" women?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Rama Set on August 09, 2022, 08:34:50 PM »

Yes, as it turns out, people who say "defund the police" are universally people who are at the wrong end of the law.

Well that's completely untrue.  Defund the police as a slogan came from people who were fed up with excessive violence propagated by the police.  That's not being on the wrong end of the law, it's being in the out-group police neither serve nor protect.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Rushy on August 09, 2022, 08:17:11 PM »

That appears to be the messaging on this from the GOP.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/09/trump-world-republicans-fbi-2024-run-00050485

Strange how things have turned.  The Republicans are now the ones saying to defund the police.

Yes, as it turns out, people who say "defund the police" are universally people who are at the wrong end of the law.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Dr Van Nostrand on August 09, 2022, 06:20:24 PM »

"When you're attacking FBI agents because you're under criminal investigation, you're losing," Huckabee Sanders wrote in Nov. 2016



Apparently it's only okay for the FBI to investigate democrats.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Lord Dave on August 09, 2022, 05:46:10 PM »

That appears to be the messaging on this from the GOP.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/09/trump-world-republicans-fbi-2024-run-00050485

Strange how things have turned.  The Republicans are now the ones saying to defund the police.

Neal Katyal, a former federal U.S. Solicitor General challenged Trump on MSNBC to release a copy of the search warrant that was left at Mar-a-Lago. “If you believe this is such an abuse, release the warrant and let us decide for ourselves,” Katyal said.

Classic Trump.  Fan the flames with lack of evidence while holding the evidence you say isn't there.