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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Lord Dave on June 02, 2024, 09:53:31 AM »

Action80: Testemony and records of forgery does not mean a crime of forgery.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Action80 on June 02, 2024, 06:45:20 AM »

Everything you list is accurate; however, it is not evidence of a crime.

Nothing criminal here, except for Cohen and Daniels.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: The Final Experiment

« Last post by mahogany on June 01, 2024, 04:21:52 PM »

I think this is the right place for this.
Are you aware of The Final Experiment?

https://www.the-final-experiment.com/

The aim is to send one globe earther and one flat earther to Antarctica to observe the 24 hour sun - which would be an issue for the monopole model. Or, if it doesn't occur would be an issue for the globe.

They have invited high profile people from both sides to participate - I didn't actually see anyone from here on the list, I think they're mostly going for YouTubers.
They say they're going to provide the funding for one person from each side, but others can join at their own expense - it was something like $30,000, so not cheap.

Any thoughts on this? Would any of you have liked to be invited or would be interested in going? Do you think this is a good experiment? If you observed the 24 hour sun in Antarctica would that change your mind about FE or would it just steer you towards a different FE model like the bi-polar one?

Have you not learned anything?

Do you really think that an observational experiment in Antarctica (24 hours sunlight) is going to end up moving the needle or changing anyone's mind either way (for those that are globe earth believers vs. those that are flat earth believers?)

The TFES wiki already provides a possible explanation for 24 hours sunlight in Antarctica via possible light patterns as demonstrated by the YouTube video showing the desktop experiment. If 24 hours is reported back, this may likely be (one of) the possible explanations you will receive.
 

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by honk on June 01, 2024, 02:24:52 AM »

Beyond the testimony of the witnesses, there were bank records of the relevant payments, emails discussing the payments, and even a recording of Trump talking about the payments. You're making a crude argument from your own ignorance if you're going to insist that there was no evidence simply because you didn't hear about what the evidence was - something that you could have easily rectified by paying attention to the trial.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by beardo on May 31, 2024, 08:04:39 PM »

The jury didn't care about evidence, or lack thereof (they had none). They had made up their mind (guilty) before proceedings had even started.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Action80 on May 31, 2024, 06:28:41 PM »

What evidence? There is no evidence he committed a single felony, let alone 34, related to a single incident.

I think it was the evidence that the jury just finished considering before finding him guilty on all 34 counts. So that evidence

New Yorkers serving as jurors have some sort of clue regarding evidence? Even persons serving as magistrates and prosecutors in that area have no clue.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Rushy on May 31, 2024, 05:04:48 PM »

This is an often repeated phrase now, "a convicted felon", but who really cares? Would Democrats vote for a "convicted felon"? The answer is yes. Would Republicans? I think it's obviously also yes.

I don't think there is a single person that was voting for Trump and switched to Biden after the verdict. Trump voters see it as a sham trial that reinforces Trump's "deep state" narrative. Biden voters weren't going to vote for Trump, even if he wasn't found guilty. The outcome of the trial quite simply didn't matter. It was already baked into existing polls.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnll59r891xo

Polls indicate he is in a statistical dead heat with President Joe Biden and maintains a slight edge in many key swing states that will decide the election. But those surveys also provide evidence that this conviction might change all of that.
In exit polls conducted during the Republican primaries this winter, double-digit numbers of voters said that they would not vote for the former president if he were convicted of a felony.
An April survey by Ipsos and ABC News found that 16% of those backing Trump would reconsider their support in such a situation.

I find the idea of someone who would vote for Trump unless he was found guilty of a finance crime comedic but if the polls say they exist then so be it.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by honk on May 31, 2024, 04:47:46 PM »

The Jones case was an out-of-court settlement for a lawsuit over sexual harassment. It wasn't "hush money," it was a very public affair that needed the Supreme Court to first settle if sitting presidents could be sued, and there was no ongoing election that Clinton could have been violating the laws over. Elections have rules, no matter how much Trump and his fans don't like it and don't understand it. Just like it's illegal for foreign governments to interfere and try to swing the election one way or the other, it's also illegal to cover up campaign payments instead of properly declaring them. The irony, of course, is that Trump never needed to make this payment at all, let alone cover it up. Trump's fans admire him all the more for having an affair with a porn star, while also paradoxically maintaining that it never happened at all. And of course nobody will be persuaded to not vote for Trump just because of this verdict.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by AATW on May 31, 2024, 04:20:14 PM »

This is an often repeated phrase now, "a convicted felon", but who really cares? Would Democrats vote for a "convicted felon"? The answer is yes. Would Republicans? I think it's obviously also yes.

I don't think there is a single person that was voting for Trump and switched to Biden after the verdict. Trump voters see it as a sham trial that reinforces Trump's "deep state" narrative. Biden voters weren't going to vote for Trump, even if he wasn't found guilty. The outcome of the trial quite simply didn't matter. It was already baked into existing polls.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnll59r891xo

Polls indicate he is in a statistical dead heat with President Joe Biden and maintains a slight edge in many key swing states that will decide the election. But those surveys also provide evidence that this conviction might change all of that.
In exit polls conducted during the Republican primaries this winter, double-digit numbers of voters said that they would not vote for the former president if he were convicted of a felony.
An April survey by Ipsos and ABC News found that 16% of those backing Trump would reconsider their support in such a situation.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Rushy on May 31, 2024, 03:52:47 PM »

The number of moderates that were deciding who to vote for based entirely on the outcome of a porn star payoff trial is precisely zero. If you were voting for Trump, the outcome of the trial didn't matter. If you weren't voting for Trump, the outcome of the trial didn't matter.

Not entirely. But the fact Trump is now a convicted felon isn’t going to make anyone reconsider? I’m not saying you’re wrong but it would be a bit weird if this wasn’t a factor for anyone

This is an often repeated phrase now, "a convicted felon", but who really cares? Would Democrats vote for a "convicted felon"? The answer is yes. Would Republicans? I think it's obviously also yes.

I don't think there is a single person that was voting for Trump and switched to Biden after the verdict. Trump voters see it as a sham trial that reinforces Trump's "deep state" narrative. Biden voters weren't going to vote for Trump, even if he wasn't found guilty. The outcome of the trial quite simply didn't matter. It was already baked into existing polls.