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Flat Earth Community / Re: Detailed flight times and distances
« Last post by Tom Bishop on Today at 05:15:48 PM »
We've discussed this.

How are kilometers gauged on the left hand side in that chart? Spherical coordinate distances from Longitude and Latitude systems? How do you measure that sort of large distance without using the standard Longitude and Latitude system?

That is the matter under question, yet that graph "knows" how many kilometers the planes flew.

That is the matter under question, yet that graph "knows" how many kilometers the planes flew.
No, the airline does.
And they know how long their flights take.
Planes fly at a fairly standard cruising speed and that graph demonstrates that, time and distance largely correlate.
It's almost like they know how far they're flying and how fast and they have a map which works.
Actually I think Tom's problem is the y-axis. This distance depends on spherical assumptions, and I suspect he thinks the logic is somehow circular.
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Well, people already got enough experiences seeing through the plane window.

This is super sad! My future kids asking me: "Daddy, did the earth look nice from the windows of the planes of your era?"
I would feel cursed to be born in the post-windows era.
I searched a bit about windows and in quora, a man explained how he built a house for himself with no windows, only cameras and flat monitors. So he had to use special bulbs in order his plants to not die without sun light...... And what about the owner of the house?!?! He could get sick without natural light. I could think of diseases like tuberculosis and fungus without natural light.
It makes me think too, about Blade Runner where a piece of real wood was something to see. Nothing was natural in that future.
It is sad. Like those people who run on running machines without going outside, those people who farm inside simulators on their computers.

I vote for keeping the windows.
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Have you actually measured any of these forces to which you refer?
Yes.

Which ones? When? Where? Were your results published? If so, where?
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Flat Earth Community / Detailed flight times and distances
« Last post by edby on Today at 05:04:57 PM »
See below for a plot of flight distances versus flight times.

Methodology:
1. Take airport pairs where there is a direct flight from one airport to the other, and where a flight time is available. 354 pairs in all.

2. Obtain the latitude and longitude of each airport.

3. Use the Haversine formula to determine the distance in km between the airports, using the assumption that the earth is a sphere 6,371km in radius.

4. Plot the distance against the time (see below).

Observations
The distance assumption is clearly based on RE, however the flight time is simply the observed time taken (from published flight times admittedly, but any flat earth observer could easily check these by taking the flights). If the earth is an approximate sphere, we would expect to see a high but not exact correlation between RE distance and time.

The average speed varies between 288 km/h between Paris and Brussels and 939km/h between Jo'burg and Sydney. Generally for shorter times (less than 6 hours) the average speed falls. Hypothesis: this is caused by the time taken to reach maximum speed from zero. One could probably work out an exact relationship, I haven't tried.



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Flat Earth Community / Re: What FE Experiment would you believe?
« Last post by iamcpc on Today at 04:54:41 PM »
It's pretty common for REers to demand FEers perform experiments of varying degrees of practicality and usefulness, so let's check the value. Let's suppose a FEer on this forum decided to go ahead and do one of those experiments (as has happened, but never mind), and he reports back that he got the FE outcome.

Would you believe him?
What would it take for you to believe him?
Are there any users or experiments you would reject automatically, or be more disposed to accept?

Jrowe,

I don't know what shape the earth is. I've been told my entire life it's round. I've come here to learn about alternate shapes of the earth.

The biggest issue that I have here is that there are like hundreds of flat earth models.  Even when i look at the specifics of a full moon in the hundreds of round earth models that I've found. If I ask a round earth astronomer  where the moon is in relation to the earth and sun during a full moon I pretty much get the same answer.

The same question was asked here and I get 4 different answers.
1. above the sun
2. below the sun
3. the same altitude as the sun
4. don't matter the moon is self lit
5. all of thee above.


I would believe much stronger that the earth is generally flat if questions like that didn't have so many different answers.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Is the world fully explored?
« Last post by JRowe on Today at 04:42:18 PM »
In the early days of exploration, early centuries where people worked to map the world, there were constant omissions. One of the most common was the total lack of America in many ancient world maps. Then the Vikings and Columbus set sail, and suddenly it had to be added to the European maps.
With the more recent claimed use of satellites to map out the whole globe world, exploration has pretty much ceased under the logic that we've aerial views of every inch of the planet. But if that is not the case, we are in the same boat as those ancient cartographers that had never heard of the Americas and yet still believed they'd mapped the world. After all planes and boats only show us so much, and there are a limited number of flight paths. Might there be more land that has yet to be discovered, and won't be discovered for so long as the world labors under the delusion that the globe shows us everything?
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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Query: Age and formation of the Flat Earth
« Last post by Round Eyes on Today at 04:37:09 PM »
Well, this would seem to be a bit of a stumbling block to the whole FE hypothesis as it seems no one here knows.


i dont agree with that at all.

What happened/existed before the Big Bang?  no one knows...does that mean the universe doesnt exist?

the age of Round Earth is continually changing over the past 100 years, and thats with the full backing of most scientists working on it...you expect the limited money of FE to have those kind of resources to work on independently verifying the age of the earth?  and what bearing would knowing the age have to do with knowing its shape???  much bigger fish to fry here.
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It comes down to you believing something is real because someone writes or states it is real.

...and you do this multiple times every day, in a variety of different ways. You're just cherry-picking something (RE) to disagree with and pick at.

Examples;

I looked at the news, and there were a bunch of dumb quotes from Trump. Did he really say them? Should I check, or do I take the news outlets at their word? Do I need to look for video and audio recordings of them all to make sure?

I was in the supermarket, and there's a big skull-and-crossbones graphic on the cleaning products, advising that they are hazardous to my health if I ingest them. Should I take the scientists who established this at their word, or should I check it for myself?

I don't like lemon biscuits. If the packet of Lemon Puffs is in front of me, do I take this at face value, or open the packet and check?

You take the word of others in written form, too, in a myriad of different ways. Don't you?
If everyone performs something I fail to see how it is "cherry-picking."

Your analogy concerning lemon biscuits fails miserably.
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Its OK, that people don't think what you think. Its very normal. Without it we couldn't have democracy. Everyone would want to marry the exact same woman. We'd all drive the exact same car, wear the same clothes and decide to use the exact same coffee shop at the exact same time in the exact same city that we all decided was the best place to live. I don't care that you think the earth is round. And I'm not going to insist you change your mind about it.
Those are all terrible examples. Or rather, they're very good examples of things which are subjective. So yes, there will be different opinions about these things.
But the shape of the earth is not subjective. It is what it is. There should not be different opinions about these things. Not all opinions are equally valid.

To answer the original question, I guess for me I'd have to see some really compelling evidence for a flat earth, that the whole space industry is bogus. And some explanation as to how the airline industry has been getting us all round the "disc" while thinking it's a globe. A flat earth map that actually works in terms of distances between places and the relationship between them would be nice too.

A map that works.  Bingo.  That is the only proof I would need to consider the possibility of a flat earth.   It seems pretty simple given the amount of data available.  I have tried and failed.
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It comes down to you believing something is real because someone writes or states it is real.

...and you do this multiple times every day, in a variety of different ways. You're just cherry-picking something (RE) to disagree with and pick at.

Examples;

I looked at the news, and there were a bunch of dumb quotes from Trump. Did he really say them? Should I check, or do I take the news outlets at their word? Do I need to look for video and audio recordings of them all to make sure?

I was in the supermarket, and there's a big skull-and-crossbones graphic on the cleaning products, advising that they are hazardous to my health if I ingest them. Should I take the scientists who established this at their word, or should I check it for myself?

I don't like lemon biscuits. If the packet of Lemon Puffs is in front of me, do I take this at face value, or open the packet and check?

You take the word of others in written form, too, in a myriad of different ways. Don't you?