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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trans athletes
« on: June 04, 2021, 10:32:18 PM »
I’m not convinced that pandering to people’s psychological issues is helping them.
The current medical consensus is that gender dysphoria is much more nuanced and complex than "psychological issues", and gaining official recognition as the gender you choose to identify with is a lengthy process filled with painful obstacles - not quite the same as "deciding that you identify as a woman".

The general public have a very elevated opinion of their understanding of these sort of issues, but when it comes to actually showing that understanding, it usually turns out to be vanishingly small. Any argument here will be meaningless if we don't even know what we're arguing about.
I'm interested in how selective you (plural) are about how much weight to give to the consensus of experts...

I was being flippant in my first post, admittedly. But there surely has to be something psychological going on here. We are, after all, talking about how people feel. My maleness is not a subjective opinion, it's determined by my biology and chromosomes. What makes me "feel" male? What does that even mean? I don't know how it "feels" to be female. I imagine there is some nurture element going on, society treats males and females differently, parents bring up boys and girls differently. That has to have an effect.

This is obviously a complicated subject. And fine, I'm not an expert on this. But just because someone feels something, that doesn't mean they're correct and that we should all pander to the way they feel. Where does that start and end?

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trans athletes
« on: June 04, 2021, 10:13:30 PM »
Gender dysphoria is sometimes very extreme. People self harm, hate themselves, have thoughts of or actually commit suicide. If a surgery alleviates those symptoms and gives them the body they identify with, then yes it is a huge relief. I know a couple transpeople who have completely different and happier lives after transitioning.
There are also conditions where people hate a certain limb and want it amputated. Should they just be given surgery to do that?
It might alleviate the condition but it would obviously make their lives harder in other ways which would require them to have help.
Obviously people with these conditions need help, the debate is surely how best to help them. It doesn't feel like lopping their cocks off is the right way of doing it.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trans athletes
« on: June 04, 2021, 10:09:58 PM »
I can't believe some of you are this upset about pronouns and genitals. It's really not that complicated or difficult to just.. respect people and not worry about their lives.

I can respect someone and also not think that society should have to pander to their delusion. And I'm sorry if you don't like the word delusion, but what else do you call it? I am male, and I'm human. That's not an opinion, it's not subjective, it's encoded in my DNA.
You're going to make a distinction between gender and sex of course, it's a completely spurious distinction. How many made up genders are we up to now? I'm not saying that people don't really feel these things and yes, they should get treatment. But I don't think that treatment should involve cutting bits off of them or sticking other bits on or pumping them full of drugs to try and simulate the gender they think they are.

What's one good reason a 16 year old girl, with standard female estrogen levels, can't play soccer with other girls?
If the 16 year old girl you're talking about is called Barry and has a cock then it's because they're not a girl.
Them thinking they are doesn't make them correct.

The only people I ever see complaining about this are transphobes who are not affected by it whatsoever.
It's not transphobic to think that certain sports are better being single sex. In things like snooker and darts there is a mix and it works fine, they're not sports which rely on physical strength or size, there's no inherent advantage in being male or female. In sports like tennis, athletics or football (soccer, for you Yanks) - and in most sports really - there's a clear advantage for males.
Does it affect me? I guess not. And I disagree with the notion that it affects the whole of the sport as someone said above. But it's part of the pandering which I actually believe is counter-productive and not ultimately helping people in the right way.

If the International Olympic Committee can allow transpeople to compete in their respective sports, then why the hell would a high school be pressed about it?
That's fair, but I think the IOC have incorrectly bowed to politically correct peer pressure. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: June 04, 2021, 06:57:56 PM »
I am still not vaccinated. I'm sure it's only a matter of time before I die horribly from the flu.
Or, more likely, you won’t get that ill (if you’re fairly young) but you could pass it into someone who is at risk. Or you could get long Covid which I know people who have had and it isn’t super fun.
This isn’t just the flu. It might not be an “ZOMG LETS SHUT DOWN THE COUNTRY” level event either but it’s definitely a situation which demanded a response.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: June 04, 2021, 06:41:56 PM »
4 More Years!

Well, 2 will do I guess.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trans athletes
« on: June 03, 2021, 08:15:57 AM »
Holy shit, leave trans people alone. Let them be addressed with the pronouns they want, let them use the bathrooms they want, and let them have their sports. These are real people who are trying to live their lives with dignity. Let them have that. You don't have to date them or have sex with them if you don't want to. Just let them live their lives without excluding them or marginalizing them. Whatever twinge of unease you might feel about their existence or whatever intellectual duty you think you have to "debunk" them simply doesn't compare to the moral imperative of not treating your fellow humans as second-class citizens.
Oh, cool.
So I’ve just decided that I identify as a woman so can I go into the women’s locker rooms now? What do you mean no? Don’t you oppress me.
I’m not convinced that pandering to people’s psychological issues is helping them.

If this was the major source of energy in the surface, then temperatures would not drop at night or when the sun is blocked from clouds.
This doesn't even begin to make sense - if you have 2 sources of heat (in the colloquial meaning of the word) and you remove one, the temperature is going to drop. The existence of multiple sources of something does not change the fundamentals of subtraction.
He clearly said “major source” in response to a post which implied that the earth’s energy comes entirely from geothermic sources.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: May 31, 2021, 06:31:30 AM »
So that's less than 7 doses each. Less than!  :o
Fewer than. Fewer than!

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: May 30, 2021, 08:33:34 PM »
Have to say, as much as the UK government bumbled around messing pretty much everything up last year, the vaccination program has been one of the best in the world. The missus has had both jabs, my second is in July.

Have you never experienced a day with patchy cloud and observed the difference in temperature when the sun comes out?

Even in the FE model the seasons are explained by the sun’s changing orbit. It’s clear that pretty much all our energy comes from the sun.

Three poles now? Well that’s a new one.
Spoiler: We checked. There’s two.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: May 27, 2021, 12:09:19 PM »
Good to hear you know more than a licensed MD.

Says the man who thinks he knows more than scientists...

Sorry for your loss, and all that. But it sounds like your relatives had ongoing health conditions which would have got them in the end.
It's possible that certain appointments being missed sped that up, and I do think the pandemic will cause deaths because of things like that or missed diagnoses. But the pandemic is a real situation which required a response - according to MDs, the people you are claiming know better than us. Whether it was the right response...probably not, but doing nothing wasn't really an option.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: May 26, 2021, 04:37:05 PM »
81 year old man dies shock exclusive.
The jab took 6 months to kill him. It's not very effective a poison.
It does show what a waste of time and money.

He spent the last 6 months of his life locked away, unable to see his family and then died promptly afterwards. Why are we 'saving' these people again?
Overall I think our vaccine rollout has been one of the few things our idiot government have got right.
BUT...I agree that this obsession with vaccinating every single person is wrong.
But hey, he might have had another 10 years or more so I don't think that him being old should have been a reason for him not getting it.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: May 26, 2021, 04:07:09 PM »
81 year old man dies shock exclusive.
The jab took 6 months to kill him. It's not very effective a poison.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 26, 2021, 01:54:52 PM »
And look at that huge drop last year when Trump was in charge. Trump had the ball and he dropped it massively.
Thank goodness Biden has got things back on track.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 26, 2021, 12:51:53 PM »
Biden has the ball. Biden is at fault. Another 5 months will go by and you guys will still be blaming Trump.  ::)

No one blamed Trump for anything. You are the one casting blame and all that was pointed out is that took the narrowest, least charitable view you could because it’s obvious you don’t care about accurately representing reality. All that was pointed out is that the phenomenon started before Biden.
Exactly. I don't know what has caused the rise in prices, although a bloody great pandemic is a fairly likely culprit. That isn't Biden's fault, or Trump's. I don't even know if the rising prices are a bad thing.

What is dishonest of Tom, and of course I expect nothing less, is to sit by while prices rise and crime goes up under Trump and say nothing and then a few months into a new presidency highlight it and say "Aha! See? Biden bad!".

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: May 26, 2021, 08:46:09 AM »
Biden doesn't actually have to implement anything. He just needs to be there saying that he's going to raise taxes, stop the wall, give handouts, etc., and market tanks.

From Market Insider -

Wheat increased after Nov 5 2020:


Literally every graph you've posted shows a clear rising trend throughout 2020, way before Biden became president.
I'm no economic expert but clearly the pandemic will have wreaked havoc with the economy
And as stack has noted, you've done the same with crime. There was already a rising trend under Trump.
You dishonestly ignore that, just look at the rise since Biden came in to power and say "Biden Bad", ignoring the rise under Trump.

I expect this sort of behaviour from you by now of course, but it's good that people are calling you out on it.

Science & Alternative Science / Re: FE and ICBMs
« on: May 25, 2021, 06:31:13 PM »
celestial navigation is based on a precopernican world view (the earth was believed to be the centre of the universe)."
And what shape was it known to be?

Science & Alternative Science / Re: FE and ICBMs
« on: May 25, 2021, 03:59:24 PM »
You do not even know if ICBM's work on a round earth.

You've never seen one in action.
Well I know that rockets are a thing. I've seen plenty of launches on TV and I've seen a shuttle launch in person.
So I'm pretty confident that the technology to create an ICBM exists.
From what I understand an ICBM has never been fired in anger, but with anything I haven't personally witnessed I use my model of reality to assess how credible it is. I've never been to Australia but I know people from there, I know people from here who have visited and I have seen plenty of photos and video of the place. I don't have to have seen it with my own eyes to believe it exists.
If ICBMs were said to teleport to their destination then I would be highly sceptical, I don't believe that technology exists. But I know that rockets exist so it seems perfectly credible that ICBMs are possible with current technology. Either multiple countries are lying about having them and no other countries are calling them out on it, or they're a thing. The latter seems far more likely. And as I said and you agree, they'd work on a FE. But you'd need a working map to aim them correctly and we both know why you don't have one.

Science & Alternative Science / Re: FE and ICBMs
« on: May 25, 2021, 01:20:09 PM »

There's a really simple way to end all of this nonsense.  Simply produce an accurate Flat Earth map.  That's all you need to do and this all ends.  It truly is just that simple.

We'll wait.
Something something, no research budget, something something... (at a guess).
But the point is you don't need a research budget. There are web sites where you can track ships or planes in real time. All you need is to be near a port or an airport to verify that the planes or ships arrive when those sites say they have. I can go to Heathrow if it helps and he can go to his local international airport and we can verify when places leave from there and arrive at Heathrow, or the other way around, see if it matches what these web sites say. And sure, we can't verify whether the plane is where the sites say it is in between times but if we verify that it is at the start and the end of the journey then it seems reasonable to be confident that these sites know where these things are at all times.

It's bizarre that Tom thinks that RE geometry working is a "belief". There are global airline and shipping industries which rely on it working. We all use GPS routinely these days and can verify from personal experience that it works. It doesn't get much more Zetetic and empirical than that. I just had a look at my phone and I am where it says I am. Are we supposed to believe that this doesn't work at sea? RonJ has provided his personal experiences of how it does work and he'd be in trouble if it didn't. I'm sure many of us have been on flights and used the "Time to Destination" feature where you get a map, it shows you exactly where you are, how fast you're going, how far it is to your destination and how long it'll take to get there. Is the suggestion that all this is faked and doesn't really work?

It's all too silly. You can trivially prove that no FE map is possible given known distances, so the only way of maintaining FE belief is to claim that those distances aren't really known. But that's a difficult claim to justify given the above.

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