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Science & Alternative Science / Re: MEDICAL QUESTION: How does saline spray work?

« on: September 30, 2014, 10:08:47 PM »

You'll start to turn orange if you eat too many carrots, continue to eat more over a period of time and you'll die.  Also, poisoning is the same as overdosing, it's just that poisonous plants have a very low overdose level.  Why do you think drinking 2 gallons of water in an hour leads to water toxicity aka water poisoning?

You wont die of carrots, the body regulates how many nutrients are absorbed. As we saw earlier in the thread, if you take 1g of powdered Vitamin C almost everything is absorbed. If you take 13g, almost nothing is absorbed. The same goes for other types of nutrients. The bowel does not simply absorb everything you shove in your mouth.

Water and electrolytes are the few exceptions to the rule because the molecules are too small to be regulated by the bowels, and just pass through. The filters of the bowels are on a larger scale to regulate the bigger and more complex vitamins, fibers, fats, and nutrients. This is why it is possible to die from drinking too much water, but not die from eating too many strawberries. The body is more concerned about you getting the exact ratio of nutrients to match its present needs than stopping you from doing something stupid like ignoring your instincts to stop drinking down gallons of water.

As per poisons like cyanide and hemlock, and poisons that physically destroy the cells of the gut to punch its way in and destroy everything in its path, that's not really in the realm of discussion.

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: Natural Medicine is better than Unnatural Medicine

« on: September 30, 2014, 07:16:22 PM »

Testimonial evidence exists for alien abductions, bigfoot, flying bunny monster, and anything else that you can make up.

Testimonials are not evidence of anything.

This is incorrect. If multiple sources are claiming that a man was gunned down in a nearby neighborhood, it is evidence that a shooting took place and it gets reported in the newspaper.

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: Natural Medicine is better than Unnatural Medicine

« on: September 30, 2014, 07:14:28 PM »

Here is a short three minute video which proves to me that Vitamin C is beneficial.

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/video/#!/news/health/Could-Vitamin-C-Help-Treat-Pancreatic-Cancer-/137546083

According to this video the majority of pancreatic cancer patients at this clinic showed regression after receiving Vitamin C IV therapy. A majority! As the doctor states in the video, pancreatic cancer is the most deadly type of cancer with a cruel 1% survival rate using traditional medicine.

It would be hard to say that these patients in this clinic regressed because of some reason other than Vitamin C.

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: Natural Medicine is better than Unnatural Medicine

« on: September 30, 2014, 07:08:43 PM »

Ok, ignoring that you are putting words in that doctor's mouth, the fact remains that there is not apparently a large statistical group to say definitively that Vitamin C does what you say it does.  Couple that with there being evidence dissenting against your view, it seems like the responsible and logical thing to do is remain agnostic, doesn't it?

There are no large statistical studies because no pharmaceutical company is picking it up for the large clinical trials. Dr. Cathcart doesn't have the means to organize thousands of patients for prolonged clinical trials. He knows that he can treat AIDS and other diseases, and that's good enough for him.

There are plenty of testimonials for the effectiveness of Vitamin C:

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1313858#
 
"Vitamin C infusions saved my life. My chemo treatment was killing me, putting me into the hospital and straining my heart. I was at deaths door, and one treatment, only one treatment before my next chemo, (the one I thought was going to be my last because I thought was sure I would be dead) and I was a whole new person. I am very angry that the doctors did not tell me about this therapy and I almost didn't make it because of that."

 
http://www.breastcancertreatment.co.nz/intravenous-vitamin-c.htm

Pam Stevens (New Zealand). "After just five months of twice weekly treatments together with a broad range of pharmaceutical grade nutritional supplements the patches of cancer in my bones had completely disappeared. I have survived very aggressive, invasive breast cancer without resorting to chemotherapy, radiotherapy or drugs. Instead my chosen treatment path has been surgery, intravenous vitamin C and pharmaceutical grade nutritional supplements. The dose of vitamin C I have been on is 82.5 grams - initially twice a week but now once every fortnight. This has been administered since September 2005 and tolerated without any side effects other than thirst while having the treatment."

http://www.maryclinic.com/about.html

"Charles C. Mary, Jr., A physician in New Orleans, Louisiana (was practicing IVC since the times of Pauling lectures) - Not only does he recommend it for his patients, he has personal experience with the healing properties of ascorbic acid. In 1990 he developed colon cancer. Not wanting to go the traditional route of "cut, poison and burn", he decided to treat himself with mega-doses of ascorbic acid. Every day, for three months, he took 100,000 milligrams (100 grams) intravenously. Upon the persistence of his family and colleagues he agreed to have a resection of his colon after the vitamin therapy. Much to the astonishment of the surgical team and pathologists, his cancer was gone- visibly and microscopically."
 
http://www.healingcancernaturally.com/vitamin-c-cancer-therapy-cure.html
 
"George received 30 grams (30,000 milligrams) of vitamin C twice a week for six weeks. X-rays six weeks later showed a marked decrease in the size of the tumors. George continued the injections. Six months later there was no evidence of cancer. Mr. Williams lived a relatively healthy life for another 14 years and died a few years ago of congestive heart failure at the age of 84."
 
http://www.topix.com/forum/health/cancer/T87R8EG2BCFCK2S4A/p2#lastPost
 
"Tricia Thompson, (Canada). He takes Morphine to numb the pain he experiences. After one round of chemo, and a bout in the hospital for illeus (bowel stopped working), he is now to sick to continue chemo at this time. He started on Int Vit C about 2 weeks ago, 50g 3x a week. He hasn't felt any improvement in his symptoms yet and said he actually feel a bit worse (Feb 21, 2007). My dad went for his blood work and although his white blood cell count was still up and his red was still low, his cancer marker count ca9-19 went fro 950 to 320. We understand this is still high, but it's definately a step in the right direction."
 
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20060810/news_1c10patients.html
 
"Bill Nath (one of 3 in Levine's study)- Nath consulted experts at four major cancer centers from Wichita to New York. All recommended chemo, radiation, and removal of all or part of the bladder. Total removal would include the prostate, adding risks of incontinence and impotence.
One specialist "said if I didn't remove the whole bladder, I would die," said Nath. "It was pretty traumatic."

Nath ultimately made a choice that seemed suicidal to his wife, friends, and doctors: to keep part of his bladder and forgo chemo and radiation. Instead, he got 30 grams of C twice a week for three months, then every month or two for four years at the Center for the Improvement of Human Functioning in Wichita. It was founded by Hugh Riordan, a physician and friend of Pauling's, now deceased. Today, a decade after his diagnosis, Nath is cancer-free. Levine, in collaboration with National Cancer Institute pathologists, reexamined, then published Nath's case and two others from Riordan's center."

also, from http://www.maryclinic.com/about.html
 
"Countless cases of people told to go home and die by their doctors were treated and outlived their death sentences. Patients with all types of cancer - breast, lung, colon, prostate, pancreatic, kidney, leukemia, even metastatic cancer- can be helped with ascorbic acid. But it is not just the Vitamin C. At the clinic, we believe in a more wholistic philosophy. Medicine cannot be the only answer. We are complex organisms that require many different things to operate. What we eat, what we breathe, what we drink, how we feel, how we interact with each other, our spirituality- these things will not be separate. These are the core issues of health and wellness. There is no magic bullet. For those of us whose health is less than optimal, we need to remember that it took a while, occasionally many years, to reach the state of disrepair in which we reside. It may take some time to retrain the body- cell by cell- back into proper form and function."

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: Natural Medicine is better than Unnatural Medicine

« on: September 30, 2014, 06:25:22 PM »

You are right.  This one says "preliminary evidence" which is saying "not enough evidence to draw a sound conclusion from".

The deck is stacked against people who try promoting natural alternatives to medicine. Legally, that's what he has to say. If he went around claiming that he could cure your AIDS, the FDA would be all over him.

To be FDA approved someone has to sponsor the treatment through FDA-approved clinical trials, which can take tens of millions of dollars to achieve. The for-profit medical industry is never going to do this for Vitamin C because it will put them out of business. They have very large billion dollar businesses to protect. Vitamin C cannot be patented. Anyone can make it. There is no propriety and no profit potential. These businesses would rather that people die than know about Vitamin C.

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: Natural Medicine is better than Unnatural Medicine

« on: September 30, 2014, 06:16:20 PM »

One anecdote about one person being cured?  You know how ridiculous that is?

Where does it say he only cured one patient? In his paper he says that he worked with 12 of his own patients, and cites 90 others who have used Vitamin C.

Funny that you claim people have been cured of HIV or AIDS when there has apparently only been one case of a person being cured and it was by accident.

http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/scientists-closer-understanding-how-berlin-patient-was-cured-hiv

The allopathic pharmaceutical industry ignores and suppresses naturopathic research. This is no surprise.

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: MEDICAL QUESTION: How does saline spray work?

« on: September 30, 2014, 06:14:13 PM »

Tom, you can and will die from severe overdose of literally anything. Even drinking too much water is deadly. There is nothing you can overdose from and not suffer any ill effects. That is why it is called overdose in the first place.

No you cant. The bowel does not absorb everything you eat. Water is an exception to the rule, as water molecules are incredibly tiny and small enough to fit through the filter of the bowels. The bowel filters and manages input on a compound level, not on an atomic one. The filter of the bowels can't be too small, else the bigger and more complex vitamins and nutrients could not be absorbed. The filters of the small bowel aren't small enough to manage water and electrolytes, which is why you might occasionally hear of someone dying of water overdoes, or of a substance containing lots of electrolytes such as sodium.

No one dies of strawberry overdose. If you ate too many strawberries your body would simply reject it. You will be ill from the vomiting and diarrhea, but you will not die. Maybe your body would starve or dehydrate itself to death if you ate so many strawberries for such a prolonged time and no other liquids, fats, enzymes, or  nutrients from other sources. But as far as things like "strawberry toxicity," it does not exist.

You can certainly die from eating too many carrots, too much cinnamon, and a lot of other natural things.  Not to mention that a lot of natural plants are toxic in even the smallest doses, such as several species of mushrooms (I know, fungus not plant).

You're mixing in a couple of things here. The topic here is overdose, not poisoning. When you die from eating a poisonous fungus you have not "overdosed" on it.

As per carrots, you will not die from carrot overdose. You are sooner to die from the poisonous pesticides on the carrot, than the actual carrot. You might die from cinnamon, since store bought cinemmon has a lot of preservatives and flow agents in them. But actual organic cinnemon that the body recognizes as a food source will not lead to death if consumed in large quantity. The body will just expel it out.

Try to find a story of someone dying of eating too may strawberries or carrots. It will be difficult to find.

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: Natural Medicine is better than Unnatural Medicine

« on: September 30, 2014, 05:55:18 PM »

Here is a doctor who has successfully treated HIV and AIDS patients with Vitamin C

http://www.doctoryourself.com/aids_cathcart.html

"My previous experience with the utilization of ascorbic acid in the treatment of viral diseases led me to hypothesize that ascorbate would be of value in the treatment of AIDS (acquired immune deficiency syndrome). Preliminary clinical evidence is that massive doses of ascorbate (50-200 grams per 24 hours) can suppress the symptoms of the disease and can markedly reduce the tendency for secondary infections. In combination with usual treatments for the secondary infections, large doses of ascorbate will often produce a clinical remission which shows every evidence of being prolonged if treatment is continued. This clinical remission is achieved despite continuing laboratory evidence of helper T-cell suppression. There may be a complete or partial destruction of the helper T-cells during an initial infection that does not necessitate a continuing toxicity from some source to maintain a permanent or prolonged helper T-cell suppression. However, it is possible ascorbate may prevent that destruction if used adequately during that prodrome period. Emphasis is put upon the recognition and treatment of the frequent intestinal parasites. Food and chemical sensitivities occur frequently in the AID syndrome and may aggravate symptoms considered to be part of the AID syndrome. A topical C-paste has been found very effective in the treatment of herpes simplex and, to a lesser extent, in the treatment of some Kaposi's lesions. Increasingly, clinical research on other methods of treating AIDS is being "contaminated" by patients taking ascorbate"

There you have it. People have been cured of AIDS with Vitamin C, and a tell-all paper on how to do it.

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: Natural Medicine is better than Unnatural Medicine

« on: September 30, 2014, 05:43:24 PM »

The claim that Vitamin C cures AIDS was at the centre of vitamin überquack Patrick Holford‘s attempts to silence Ben Goldacre. It is, needless to say, complete bollocks.

Why don’t doctors tell you that Vitamin C cures AIDS?

Because it’s not true.

The words "complete bollocks" are hyperlinked, and bring you to a page by that person describing that the Vitamin C claim is false because the WDDTY website had some banner advertisements which advertised Vitamin C.

The referenced What Doctors Don't Tell You link goes through the actual benefits of Vitamin C.

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: Natural Medicine is better than Unnatural Medicine

« on: September 30, 2014, 05:38:52 PM »

At the same time, however, extremely high levels of the vitamin are more toxic to the HIV-infected cells than to healthy immune cells, the investigators report in the Feb. 28 issue of the Journal of Biological Chemistry.

How does more toxic to HIV cells than healthy immune cells make it a cure for HIV?  What dosage is required to completely cure someone of HIV. There is no indication. 
Maybe that is because:

The laboratory research provides the foundation to begin to understand the relationship among vitamin C, HIV infection, and cell metabolism, and may lead to new therapeutic targets to counter the AIDS virus, he added.

It looks like the connection you are claiming is not claimed by this clinic.  Instead it was an interesting preliminary result that deserves further research.  This is not a cure and to claim so is irresponsible.

It shows that Vitamin C to treat diseases is not bollocks. If it were bollocks it wouldn't have done anything.

Linus Pauling has treated AIDS and cancer patients in his clinic. His has published books about it. Other doctors are treating patients as well.

Another study: http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/pdf-files/hiv99percentreduced.pdf

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: Natural Medicine is better than Unnatural Medicine

« on: September 30, 2014, 05:32:12 PM »

What fruit should one eat to cure HIV?

The treatment for HIV is Vitamin C.

See:

The Truth about HIV and Vitamin C
https://www.patrickholford.com/advice/the-truth-about-hiv-and-vitamin-c

A Cure For AIDS?
http://www.cqs.com/aidscure.htm

High Levels of Vitamin C Prove Toxic to HIV
http://www3.scienceblog.com/community/older/1997/A/199700701.html

What Doctors Don't Tell You: Vitamin C Cures AIDS
http://wwddtydty.com/2013/10/wddty-lies-vitamin-c-aids-cure/

From the conclusion paragraph of your own source, Tom

The claim that Vitamin C cures AIDS was at the centre of vitamin überquack Patrick Holford‘s attempts to silence Ben Goldacre. It is, needless to say, complete bollocks.

Read the What Doctors Don't Tell you link on that page. People were treated with Vitamin C with good results. The guy saying it's complete bollocks bases his opinion on an advertisement that appeared on that page in the banner area that picked up the keyword for Vitamin C and advertised Liposomal Vitamin C to him.

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: Natural Medicine is better than Unnatural Medicine

« on: September 30, 2014, 05:22:37 PM »

High Levels of Vitamin C Prove Toxic to HIV
http://www3.scienceblog.com/community/older/1997/A/199700701.html

If Vitamin C does nothing to HIV, and was complete bs, then what is this study doing here?

It proves that the HIV load was reduced with Vitamin C. It proves that the body uses Vitamin C to cure itself of disease.

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: Natural Medicine is better than Unnatural Medicine

« on: September 30, 2014, 04:54:33 PM »

What fruit should one eat to cure HIV?

The treatment for HIV is Vitamin C.

See:

The Truth about HIV and Vitamin C
https://www.patrickholford.com/advice/the-truth-about-hiv-and-vitamin-c

A Cure For AIDS?
http://www.cqs.com/aidscure.htm

High Levels of Vitamin C Prove Toxic to HIV
http://www3.scienceblog.com/community/older/1997/A/199700701.html

What Doctors Don't Tell You: Vitamin C Cures AIDS
http://wwddtydty.com/2013/10/wddty-lies-vitamin-c-aids-cure/

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: Natural Medicine is better than Unnatural Medicine

« on: September 30, 2014, 03:08:44 PM »

All diseases can be cured through natural means. Diabetes, Chrons, Arthritis, Lyme, Asthma, Ebola, Polio, and many more diseases which are thought to be "incurable" are easily cured by cleaning the body and providing the nutrients and vitamins it needs to combat the disease.

Ebola is easily curable? 

There is an easy cure for Ebola as there is for any viral disease. Ebola can be  easily cured via Vitamin C injections.

The main reason we don't see the FDA and CDC descending on Africa with Vitamin C is because this single vitamin threatens trillion dollar empires. They would rather see people die than Vitamin C take off. Vitamin C, an acid natural to the body, is the ammunition the immune system uses to combat viruses, bacteria, and fungus which invade the body. The immune system identifies the disease the uses the vitamin acid to dissolve it from existence. By receiving mega-doses of the vitamin, a vitamin which cannot be created by the body, we can assist the immune system in its natural process of combating disease.

Have you ever noticed that dogs and other animals rarely get sick, except maybe right before they're about to die? We don't see many animals with chronic long-term diseases like we see in humans. That's because their bodies naturally create megadoses of Vitamin C in times of crisis. Humans and a few other species such as Guinea Pigs, are among the few who cannot create Vitamin C and must receive it from an outside source.

Vitamin C is the cure for many diseases. It has been studied for the last 60 years. There are few conditions it cannot help out with. This single vitamin has been suppressed by higher powers because they are afraid of it. It can cure tuberculosis. It can cure the common cold. It can cure pancreatis. It can cure polio and malaria and influenza and pneumonia. In sufficient quantity it can even cure cancer.

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Science & Alternative Science / Natural Medicine is better than Unnatural Medicine

« on: September 30, 2014, 02:26:14 PM »

All diseases can be cured through natural means. Diabetes, Chrons, Arthritis, Lyme, Asthma, Ebola, Polio, and many more diseases which are thought to be "incurable" are easily cured by cleaning the body and providing the nutrients and vitamins it needs to combat the disease.

There is a website called curezone.com, where people the world over get together and speak about what works for them. There are thousands of willing and desperate people who are willing to try anything, any supplements, any diet, any fast, any cleanse, to rid themselves of their ailments. I've heard of people with Diabetes curing themselves with a purely raw diet. There are stories of Chrons sufferers curing themselves with DIY fecal transplants. Arthritis is a symptom of toxicity, and is virtually eliminated once the body is detoxified with a substance like organic sulfer. Bilary colic and galbladder disease is cured via liver flushing. Asthma is really a fungus infection of the lungs, and can be cured with anti-fungals. A lot of these methods are ancient, but the power of the internet has brought people together to experiment and refine on a large scale.

There is a conspiracy in medicine. I've learned a lot over the last year I've been sick with my own disease affecting every organ in my body. I've come to the concision that doctors don't really know much. They went to medical school and were taught by the industry and pharmaceutical companies with a twisted view of medicine designed to maximize profits. See, a pharmaceutical company can't get behind a substance like Vitamin C, because it is unpatentable. No pharmaceutical company will invest tens of millions of dollars to put Vitamin C through the FDA approval process because it gets them nowhere. There is no protection for a substance anyone can make.

Pharmaceutical companies maximize profits by educating medical students under their allopathic version of medicine where profit trumps health. Antibiotics are handed out like candy. People are kept on Proton Pump Inhibitors for years. Cancer treatments literally poison the body. If you're old and in pain, doctors would rather treat you with pain killers and call it a cure, than to figure out the root cause of the condition. If you get worse with the poisons they're feeding you, all the better, it just means more profit for them when you crawl back begging for more.

The greatest minds of medicine are not at Stanford University, but at schools like Bastyr University, the top Naturopathic school in the country. Students are taught the truth about the human body, and the truth about disease. They are not fed lies like "having yellow stools for a long period of time is of no concern" like you would hear in a medical school. If you complain of light colored stools you will go untreated. But yellow stools are a bad thing and lead to other diseases. It means there is a bilary duct obstruction and must be treated by removing the liver stones with a Liver Flush and liver cleansing. There is no such thing as a liver flush, or cleaning of the organs, in allopathic medicine. If you ever develop gallbladder disease the recommendation is removal. If you develop liver disease you are put on a waiting list for a transplant, hoping that you get a liver before you die like many others have with that disease.

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: MEDICAL QUESTION: How does saline spray work?

« on: September 21, 2014, 03:20:28 AM »

And how are they making money off you when you're dead?

By the time you're dead you've spent a whole lot more money on cancer drugs and other drugs for chronic issues than you would have if you spent the rest of your life stopping into your doctors office a couple of times a year for a perfectly safe antibiotic.

I wonder how health insurance companies feel about that, especially now with Obamacare in effect.

Insurance companies are evil too. The insurance companies are very strict about what doctors can and can't do. They typically have doctors send patients to do one major test at a time. An ultrasound of the Kidneys here, an upper endoscopy there. Medical tests can take a long time to schedule. This is unfortunate when someone has a chronic condition, exhibiting many issues throughout their body, and needs a full workup. A full workup in a non-emergency setting can take years. It's a slow game, hoping that the patient either gets better or dies before the insurance company has to put out too much money.

Also, the yearly $6000 medical deductible and $6000 prescription deductibles in the low range Obamacare plans designed for low-income people discourages them from going to the doctor, which is an evil unto its own.

9437

Flat Earth Projects / Re: Impeachment of Roundy

« on: September 21, 2014, 02:59:58 AM »

I appreciate Roundy's contributions over the years, despite recent inactivity. I say that rather than impeachment, we promote him from Council Member to Council Adviser and give him continued access to this forum, to provide opinions and advise.

I kind of like this idea, but we'll have to make a constitutional amendment before before it can happen. Fortunately the constitution hasn't been ratified yet, so I can just add new sections at will. If Thork or Secret User agree I'll add it in immediately.

I'm thinking that it'll be a position granted at the will of the Council (regular three fifths majority)

I vote no. Considering he asked to resign I say we let him. No need to give him a voice when he's too busy to use it.

You are assuming that he did not simply resign to save face.

The opinion is at 2-2.

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: MEDICAL QUESTION: How does saline spray work?

« on: September 21, 2014, 01:33:46 AM »

While it might theoretically be possible to accidentally overdose on Vitamin C, the logistics make it inconceivable. The LD50 in rats is 11.9g/kg. Assuming a similar level for humans you are talking about 550,000mg for a 50kg human, which is 275 of the highest dosage tablet generally seen on the market. Taking in to account that Vitamin C is water soluble, and excess quantities do not stay in your system for very long I think you would deliberately have to set out to OD on flinstones vitamins.

That's assuming that absorption of Vitamin C was 100%, which it isn't. If you could swallow 550,000 mg, the theoretical lethal dose, you would actually absorb very little of it.

Vitamins In Foods: Analysis, Bioavailability, and Stability

"Beyond physiological intakes, absorption becomes progressively less efficient, falling from 75% of a single 1-g dose to 16% of a single 12-g dose (Table 19.2). This fall-off in efficiency occurs because absorption of high luminal concentrations of vitamin C takes place mainly by simple diffusion, and this passive movement proceeds at a very low rate."

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: MEDICAL QUESTION: How does saline spray work?

« on: September 20, 2014, 11:59:37 PM »

Tom, you can and will die from severe overdose of literally anything. Even drinking too much water is deadly. There is nothing you can overdose from and not suffer any ill effects. That is why it is called overdose in the first place.

No you cant. The bowel does not absorb everything you eat. Water is an exception to the rule, as water molecules are incredibly tiny and small enough to fit through the filter of the bowels. The bowel filters and manages input on a compound level, not on an atomic one. The filter of the bowels can't be too small, else the bigger and more complex vitamins and nutrients could not be absorbed. The filters of the small bowel aren't small enough to manage water and electrolytes, which is why you might occasionally hear of someone dying of water overdoes, or of a substance containing lots of electrolytes such as sodium.

No one dies of strawberry overdose. If you ate too many strawberries your body would simply reject it. You will be ill from the vomiting and diarrhea, but you will not die. Maybe your body would starve or dehydrate itself to death if you ate so many strawberries for such a prolonged time and no other liquids, fats, enzymes, or  nutrients from other sources. But as far as things like "strawberry toxicity," it does not exist.

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: MEDICAL QUESTION: How does saline spray work?

« on: September 20, 2014, 11:39:56 PM »

And how are they making money off you when you're dead?

By the time you're dead you've spent a whole lot more money on cancer drugs and other drugs for chronic issues than you would have if you spent the rest of your life stopping into your doctors office a couple of times a year for a perfectly safe antibiotic.