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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Dr Van Nostrand on August 11, 2022, 06:28:42 PM »

That's pointless and likely not possible.

Imagine telling 50 cops "You're fired" then having no police coverage for like 2 weeks, while you try to hire people to replace the people you just fired, knowing there likely won't be anyone to hire and/or they are people who were fired for doing the same shit you just fired your force for doing.

It's definitely a heavy lift that would require a high level of choreography between the outgoing and the incoming. Instead of going weeks without a police department, they could have the old and new departments overlap by a few weeks.

The problem is that taking the corrupt cops off the force is like whack a mole. Remember, one of the cops standing around watching George Floyd die was in his first week on the job. If no one had videotaped the incident, those cops would have gone back to the office, written their reports and been heroes that killed another filthy criminal. That was the training that the newbie was receiving.

Imagine a new, honest police chief walking into a department looking at 50 crooked cops. Is he going to tell them that they're fired?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« Last post by Tom Bishop on August 11, 2022, 05:50:06 PM »

Men are already responsible. If a woman decides to have the baby, the man is responsible to support it by law and can't walk away. The man is sentenced to 18 years of labor to support the child. When a man complains the societal response is "Your fault, pay up!"

If the woman decides not to have the baby, she can do so without repercussion. She is not held to the same standards to be compelled to support her baby and can choose to kill it and escape responsibility.

Care to actually discuss what you said.  You were 100% blaming the woman for being "irresponsible" and getting pregnant.  It had nothing to do with legal responsibilities afterward.  Your statement was wholly to say that it is the woman's fault she's  pregnant.  This isn't the first time you've said it.  Nice try at deflecting and trying to say it was about something else.

We are talking about abortion. Women can escape responsibility by choosing to end life legally and men can't. This makes women responsible for abortion. A woman's right to choose makes them responsible. Adoption is an option, as is having the baby and utilizing child support/welfare/family support. The man is legally on the hook for the child and does not get to escape responsibility like with the options the woman has.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Lord Dave on August 11, 2022, 05:34:34 PM »

Defund the police doesn't mean we won't have police. It means we're going to stop paying these assholes and come up with a different vendor.

A different vendor than the government? Presumably that means you're in favour of private policing (if not, what's the alternative?). That sounds like a fantastic way to make things much worse.

Privatizing any use of force, police, prisons or military is a bad idea.

The municipality would simply dismantle the police department and rebuild a new one with a new name, new charter and new people.
Hopefully, this could skirt the union protections that have helped protect the corrupt cops.

That's pointless and likely not possible.

Imagine telling 50 cops "You're fired" then having no police coverage for like 2 weeks, while you try to hire people to replace the people you just fired, knowing there likely won't be anyone to hire and/or they are people who were fired for doing the same shit you just fired your force for doing.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Tumeni on August 11, 2022, 05:03:25 PM »

Many US cities and towns are massively overfunding their police forces. I'll post stats later, but when you look at some of them, the city or town budget is basically a police force that does some other incidental stuff.

Spend elsewhere to keep the populace happy, housed and fed, and you have less need for the police force. Take money away from police (defund them) and if you spend it in the right places elsewhere, you won't notice the defunding.

Example; Uvalde. 40% of the budget on police, and look where it got them ...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-28/why-police-funding-makes-up-40-uvalde-s-city-budget

Check out the graph halfway down the page

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Dr Van Nostrand on August 11, 2022, 05:01:49 PM »

Defund the police doesn't mean we won't have police. It means we're going to stop paying these assholes and come up with a different vendor.

A different vendor than the government? Presumably that means you're in favour of private policing (if not, what's the alternative?). That sounds like a fantastic way to make things much worse.

Privatizing any use of force, police, prisons or military is a bad idea.

The municipality would simply dismantle the police department and rebuild a new one with a new name, new charter and new people.
Hopefully, this could skirt the union protections that have helped protect the corrupt cops.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Pete Svarrior on August 11, 2022, 04:20:22 PM »

Defund the police doesn't mean we won't have police. It means we're going to stop paying these assholes and come up with a different vendor.

A different vendor than the government? Presumably that means you're in favour of private policing (if not, what's the alternative?). That sounds like a fantastic way to make things much worse.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« Last post by BillO on August 11, 2022, 04:19:32 PM »

95% percent of the time, it is her fault.

5% of the time you post something that is not this ridiculous.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Dr Van Nostrand on August 11, 2022, 03:51:34 PM »

I live in a town where a corrupt and violent police force has brutalized the citizens for over half a century. Only in the last 20 years is the truth starting to surface about them.
People filed ethics complaints, they had peaceful protests and vigils then escalated to violent riots. Nothing changed.
The police were protected from the city authorities by powerful unions. The state officials didn't care to take any action. The federal government threatened to support the corrupt police with Federal troops.

The roots of this corruption are so deep that three police Chiefs have come and gone in 2 years trying to get the Department under control.

Defund the police doesn't mean we won't have police. It means we're going to stop paying these assholes and come up with a different vendor.

If your cable company gives you shitty service, you fire them and go to a different cable company.


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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« Last post by Lord Dave on August 11, 2022, 02:37:49 PM »

95% percent of the time, it is her fault.

mEn JuSt CaN't CoNtRoL tHeMsElVeS!!!!!!!!1111111111111

Nah.  Its women.  They release pheramones that make men super horny.  They are mind controlled into having sex.  Otherwise all men would be celebet.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Tumeni on August 11, 2022, 02:02:31 PM »

Yes, as it turns out, people who say "defund the police" are universally people who are at the wrong end of the law.

Well that's completely untrue.  Defund the police as a slogan came from people who were fed up with excessive violence propagated by the police.  That's not being on the wrong end of the law, it's being in the out-group police neither serve nor protect.

This. It came on the back of the killing of George Floyd, the cover-up surrounding the Amhoud Arbery killing, and a whole host of other instances where police over-escalation and violence led to injury or death for innocent parties.

The homeless guy in the wheelchair who lost an eye from a baton round, the journalists who similarly suffered.

The elderly pushed over onto concrete, then ignored by Buffalo police.

The innocent cyclist crossing the road who was picked on by NY police because he happened to be passing by.

etc
etc