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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes
« on: December 01, 2021, 04:12:14 PM »

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: November 30, 2021, 11:16:01 PM »
I don't use streaming services to watch shitty US sitcoms. I can find them everywhere on the web, in part and in their entirety, not just on Hulu and Netflix. So you're going to have to shut down my entire interwebs. How do you post here and not know this?
I don't need to brick up a river to stem its flow. If I cut back the amount of access that is readily available, people will watch less ... partly because they'll have seen all the things they want to watch elsewhere and partly because many can't be bothered to hunt for stuff late when they are tired. I'm not trying to make every citizen go to bed on time every night. I'm nudging the population towards a more sensible lifestyle. some will, some won't, but those who will then save my health service billions.

See above. It's not just streaming services, it's everything. Again, how do you not know this?
Nudging.
https://govinsider.asia/innovation/six-ways-governments-nudging-citizens/

And do you have data on the health risks of watching shitty US sitcoms at 3:01 AM?
Do you think it is good for you to get not very much sleep? I don't need a fucking scientist to tell me things that are common sense.

I'm pretty sure it's a universal truth that it's a blessing that you wield zero political power and have zero guidance sway over any portion of the populace.

And you want to mandate all of this, but have a problem wearing a mask into a shop.  ::)
Again ... I don't intend to force anyone to do anything.

My manifesto changed corporate behaviour to nudge citizens to make better choices.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: November 30, 2021, 08:28:56 PM »
- What if I make my own chips and am eating them in public?
I'm not stopping you.
So it's not illegal like me cooking my own meth?
I haven't made eating crisps illegal. I have only made selling them in denominations other than 40g illegal. Unless you own a crisp factory, you're fine.

Does a cop come up and bust me for eating contraband chips?
No, I made a change to weights and measures. what you do in your own home is up to you. 

I'm not in my own house, I'm munching on a street corner.
I don't care. I'm not after you. I'm after the corporations. That's the whole point. I legislated at businesses, not people.

So if I sell them at 41g a bag, I'm busted? What's the penalty? I'm just an individual, how is that a corporate thing?
If you are selling them, you are a business. Otherwise it is illegal as you aren't paying taxes.
Quote from: https://www.businesscompanion.info/en/quick-guides/weights-and-measures
Nearly all measurable goods must have their quantities stated in metric amounts - for example, kilograms, litres or metres. Note that the pint must be used for draught beer, lager and cider; milk in returnable bottles may also be sold by the pint.

Equivalent 'imperial' quantities - such as pounds, ounces, pints and yards - can be given in addition to the required metric indications, but they must not be more prominent.

Some products have to be sold in particular quantities:

unwrapped loaves of bread without any weight indication given: 400 g or 800 g or any other multiple of 400 g
beer, lager and cider: 1⁄3 pint, 1⁄2 pint, 2⁄3 pint or multiples of 1⁄2 pint
wine: 125 ml, 175 ml or multiples of 125 ml or 175 ml
whisky, gin, rum or vodka: 25 ml or 35 ml or multiples of 25 ml or 35 ml
For detailed information, check the specific In-depth Guides below for the items you sell.
I'm only adding to laws that already exist. This isn't revolutionary. It is common sense.

I sell fast-food type items and baked goods in my little old corner store. Along with shampoo, toothpaste, and toilet paper. I'm not a corporation.
You get the bars. If it hurts your business, remove the bars and remove the fast food. This is like complaining that you own a petrol station and are not allowed to sell pints of beer as well as petrol.

I'm not a corporation, I'm an individual. How is this only corporate oriented?
All the laws are aimed at companies who sell a service that is bad for you. I'm not saying "You can't go on a train without a mask on  >o<". I'm saying Mars can't sell you a Mars bar that weighs 90g.

Like I said, have fun with that. Who mandates what the approved recipes are? Some may say vegan is the only healthy diet that should be taught. Some may say keto. Who decides?
In the UK, Ofsted approve the recipes. they report to parliament.

I know you didn't say that, but where does it stop? I mindlessly binge-watch plenty of shitty US sitcoms on my computer via the internet at 3 AM. Are you going to stop me from doing that?
I'm going to stop streaming services from providing that service. You can do what you like. Maybe you will use a VPN? But my nudging stopped millions of people ... not all people, but millions from staying up all night watching trash TV.

So now you are taking something away from me because you don't like shitty US sitcoms? You disapprove of the content and are saving me from myself. You're worse than any existing mandate and basically acting as thought police.
No, you can watch shitty sitcoms. But not at 3am. This isn't hard. You can't buy a beer at 3am either. The pubs are shut by law. I am only stipulating the hours at which they companies can offer their services. That is very common already. Construction companies are not allowed to operate near built up areas all through the night. Most airports have to stop operating at night. I'm asking streaming companies to do the same.

So now you've defined adult behavior as not watching content in the wee hours in my own home? What if I don't have work tomorrow?
I don't give a fuck. Maybe you work nights. Doesn't matter, the pubs still shut regardless of YOUR waking hours.

What if I said I found public swimming facilities a cesspool of bacteria and we apparently don't have the necessary means of properly maintaining them with adequate standards and governmental resources for safety testing and mitigation measures. So we are now shutting them all down. And bicycling has been deemed very dangerous. The health benefits don't outweigh the amount of infrastructure and resource needs, e.g., bike lane construction/maintenance, health services, etc. So, bicycling has been banned. Because that's my decision based upon my health benefits assessment.
Yes, but you are a half wit and I am Thork. I have been ushered to leadership upon a wave of popularity and thrust into the seat of power. People want my guidance. No one has voted for you in my manifesto scenario. You're just an angry neck beard who is looking for things to complain about.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: November 30, 2021, 06:52:31 PM »
- What if I make my own chips and am eating them in public?
I'm not stopping you.

Does a cop come up and bust me for eating contraband chips?
No, I made a change to weights and measures. what you do in your own home is up to you. 

I'm an individual, not a corporation. But now I have to spend 10 days in the hole and pay a fine for being in possession of illegal fried potato strips.
You aren't selling potato chips. Therefore, you can serve them out in any quantity you like. But if you want to sell them to the public ... 40g bags please.

- I'm a small independent single-owner shop keeper. I'm going to put bars up to only let the slim get in - What if someone just wants to buy some shampoo, toothpaste, and toilet paper, but they are too portly to squeeze in?
I only applied the law to fast food outlets and bakeries. McDonalds don't sell shampoo to the best of my knowledge.

What if I decide not to put bars up? Am I fined, imprisoned? I'm just a person, not a corporation.
If you are a business owner, sure. You can be imprisoned for not complying with the law. That's pretty much how life is anyway.

- I have no problem with compulsory cooking lessons. But then you are now going to have to mandate what a cooking teacher can cook as far as recipes go. Have fun with that.
Its called a syllabus. If you can mandate what kids learn in History class, you can mandate which basic meals they should learn to cook.

- Shutting down TV? What's next, you're going to have corporations shut down internet access between those times too?
I didn't say that, did I? Mindlessly binge-watching box sets of shitty US sitcoms until 3am isn't the same as checking your facebook before you go to bed.

Where does it stop? What if I'm swing-shift, work evenings, nights?
Then you will be used to things being shut when you are working.  ::)

I can't watch TV when I get home from work? The government is now denying access to information - That seems pretty draconian to me.
Turning off Netflix is no different to making sure the pubs shut at closing time. No, you cannot drink until 4am on a Tuesday, and no, you can't stay up all night watching Squid Game. You've got work tomorrow. If you can't be an adult, my government will help steer you in the right direction and will do it by preventing corporations from leading you astray.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: November 30, 2021, 05:52:51 PM »
Wearing a mask is "subservient", and the government is stoking fear. Yet your mandates, banning chips, metal bars in front of shops only allowing the emaciated to get in, no TV after midnight, vilifying fat people, that's at all not subservient and stoking government fear? What's the government penalty for eating banned, contraband chips in your new world order?  I thought you were against most government intervention in people's personal lives. Now you seem super gung-ho at the government peering into your cabinets and checking your scale and penalizing you accordingly. What a bizarre thorkian twist.

None of my laws were laws against the public. That is the difference. all of my laws were laws at corporations that have made people sick in the last 60 years.

Changing weights and measures of sweets dictates to a corporation ... but they already have all kinds of laws like you have to metal detect your goods and weigh them before you can sell them. I'm adding corporate nudging to change lifestyles.
If Netflix must shut between midnight and 8am ... how is that different to any other shop having trading hours?
Putting bars on a shop to make sure only slimmer people can enter for their own safety and health is no different to putting a height restriction on people wanting to use a rollercoaster. And again, it's the shop that is being mandated at ... not the public.
School is compulsory anyway. Why would making the lessons in it such as cooking or sports be any more draconian.

Every suggestion forced corporations to make the changes. Our government never takes on corporations. Instead they want to force me into being vaccinated, force me to wear a mask, force me to work from home, force me to self isolate. Governments attack people and their sovereignty. I would have gone after the corporations instead because a corporation is a legal entity but it doesn't have feelings. 

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: November 30, 2021, 01:37:40 PM »
You want your government to mandate all of that, but you think government mask mandates are an overreach?

You have to look at it from his perspective.
If he isn't affected, its not overreach.
Ding ding ding! We have a winner. I'm not someone who needs health policing. I look after myself. It is why I get so annoyed when a guy who looks like he could die at any minute starts issuing mandates. Shitty mandates at that.


^This is a man who never exercises. Ever. A man with poor sleep hygiene. A man with a dreadful diet who is flushed red with his sky high blood pressure. A man who dives into his medicine cabinet every time he picks up a sniffle and fills himself with drugs. I don't want a man like that giving me health advice. He knows fuck all about health. Look at him.

I'm healthy. If people lived a little more like me, we wouldn't have all these health issues. And so yes, if you want to treat your body badly and go outside of what is sensible, then you need to be picking up the bill if we have socialised health care. You need higher premiums. Your premiums are low because people like me aren't accessing the services. I'm paying for you.

So you have to wear masks in shops and you get tested when arriving in the UK? Is that really that burdensome for you? Seems like a fair precaution not knowing whether this variant is worse than Delta or not. Where's the mandatory work from home bit?

Or do you know something about Omicron that no else does? You're acting like you do.
I know that this variant cannot be allowed to just pass without action. It is a great opportunity for government. They must maintain the fear. They must maintain the mantra that citizens need them.
Quote from: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59426353
European stock markets have fallen after the boss of Moderna cast doubts on the effectiveness of vaccines against the new Omicron Covid variant.
^Oh, that's very very convenient. Yup, that'll keep people subservient until February.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: November 29, 2021, 11:01:55 PM »
Just how would you propose that the government go about this task of getting everyone fit?

Ban multipacks of crisps, sweets and cakes. You have to buy everything individually. No BOGOF deals or discounting of any sort allowed.
Change the weights. Every bag of crisps max 40 grams. Every chocolate bar or bag of sweets, max 40g.
Soft drinks only to be sold individually. You can only buy cans. Can size reduced from 330ml to 250ml.
Now I have the portions under control each sweet or crisps or soft drink is a treat. 3 treats a day for a man, 2 for a woman, 1 for children under twelve as a guideline. 20g half treats can now be a thing.
No VAT on exercise equipment, training gear or training memberships.
Annual fitness check costing £50. If you are deemed in great shape, you get a massive reduction on your national insurance reflecting your risk to the NHS. Sliding scale. Fatties get hammered for taxes.
Proper cycle lanes everywhere. Smooth, no cars. Then make companies install a shower at work by law for every 15 employees, they have to make sure people can freshen up after commuting to work.
Start a culture war against the big is beautiful brigade. Vilify fat people. Use shame.
Place strong metal bars in the doorway of every fast food shop and bakery, spaced 8 inches apart. If you can't squeeze through the gap, you can't go in to buy anything.
Fast food delivery made illegal. You want to eat shit, get off your fat arse and go and get it. I hope you can get through the 8 inch bars or you better learn to cook.
Cooking lessons mandatory in schools until the age of 18.
TV and streaming services shut down at midnight to make sure people get a proper night's sleep.
Doctors retrained to ensure they only give drugs to people who actually need them. Doctors handing out too many drugs get struck off.

Vote Thork for a better healthier future where personal responsibility is heaped upon the individual.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: November 29, 2021, 09:25:58 PM »
Apparently, you missed a bit from your article:

"We don't yet exactly know how effective our vaccines will be against omicron but we have good reasons for believing they will provide at least some measure of protection.
"If you're boosted, your response is likely to be stronger so it's more vital than ever that people get their jabs and we get those boosters into arms as fast as possible."


You stated I'm not vaxxed against Omicron. How would you know? And what does your claim that somehow you know vax's don't work for Omicron have anything to do with your government stripping you of your civil liberties?

Do you know something about Omicron that no one else does?
??? No one cares about the facts. Least of all, governments. How will you be TREATED now we have a new variant? Answer: As though you haven't been vaccinated again. Go put on your masks, work from home and live exactly like you did before the 'world saving' vaccines were developed.

Its going to stay a constant threat for as long as people are fat as fuck. When people start making sensible health choices, less will be in danger from coronavirus and restrictions will ease. That will likely never happen because most people are lazy and stupid. But that isn't Tom's fault.
There is indeed a correlation between a higher BMI and more sever illness (https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2021/03/10/obesity-coronavirus) among those who received a COVID diagnosis.  But no correlation has been found (that I am aware of or that you have posted) between BMI and the likelihood of getting infected or BMI and vaccine effectiveness.   
So what? If people are healthy and covid poses no risk, we don't have to have all the drama-filled restrictions that go with that. We've had almost 2 years to get people fitter, eating better and looking after themselves and we have done zero. The message is stay at home on your fat arse and wait for science to save you. It's a pretty shitty message.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: November 29, 2021, 08:04:22 PM »
lol @ anyone who thought that they were, or ever would be, fully vaxxed



I guess I'm fully vaxxed now. Cool.
Nope. You aren't Omicron vaxxed.

Becaues of people like Tom, this won't go away.  Ever.  So we'll need to keep getting booster shots for the newest strain.
You realise that coronavirus infects wild animals that can re-infect humans again, right? No one ever ever said we could eradicate coronavirus. You made that up in your own head. You are blaming Tom for things you imagine now.
Eh.  Technically the Corona virus has been around for decades.  But I was more referring to it as a constant and large threat moreso than "total eradication".
Its going to stay a constant threat for as long as people are fat as fuck. When people start making sensible health choices, less will be in danger from coronavirus and restrictions will ease. That will likely never happen because most people are lazy and stupid. But that isn't Tom's fault.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: November 29, 2021, 07:56:53 PM »
lol @ anyone who thought that they were, or ever would be, fully vaxxed



I guess I'm fully vaxxed now. Cool.
Nope. You aren't Omicron vaxxed.

Do you have some sort of direct line to the researchers around the world trying to determine how transmissible and how severe illness could be from Omicron and the efficacy of current vax's against it? Apparently, you know something no one else on the planet knows yet. Delusions of grandeur?
If being able to read is a 'delusion of grandeur', sure.

My government already told us how it wishes to strip us of our civil liberties using omicron as the excuse. And they don't give a crap if you're vaccinated or not. We all get treated as 'not'.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/11/29/new-covid-rules-uk-omicron-variant-tests-face-masks-christmas/

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« on: November 29, 2021, 07:37:40 PM »
lol @ anyone who thought that they were, or ever would be, fully vaxxed



I guess I'm fully vaxxed now. Cool.
Nope. You aren't Omicron vaxxed.

Becaues of people like Tom, this won't go away.  Ever.  So we'll need to keep getting booster shots for the newest strain.
You realise that coronavirus infects wild animals that can re-infect humans again, right? No one ever ever said we could eradicate coronavirus. You made that up in your own head. You are blaming Tom for things you imagine now.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Mobile experience is poor
« on: November 21, 2021, 10:21:04 AM »
Using the overall theme wouldn't solve your problem as you currently describe it. Most threads in CN would break that theme, because they're enormous quote pyramids, the letter "B" in an egregiously large font, or ginormous unscaled images of any old shit.

You don't have to use CN. It is, deliberately and intentionally, a barely usable mess for people to dump complete nonsense into. Maybe that's not your cup of tea, and that's fine. If you do not like CN, do not use CN. In doing so, you also "vote" with your posts.
Maybe someone who isn't interested in being unhelpful would like to respond instead?

I don't dislike CN. In fact I like using it because I can say what I like without picking up bans. That is why almost all my posts are on those lower forums these days. Because those are the rules I wish to subscribe to. The moderators here aren't good enough to run the other forums sensibly without resorting to mod powers to win arguments that they've decided to take personally.

The issue is on mobile, CN is practically unreadable because the font is too small. I'm asking if a mobile friendly font can be installed instead. Being as the site already has such a thing for every other board, can you not just apply the same theme? Daniel's joke is maybe 15 years old at this point. It's ok for us to not have the same shitty theme any more.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Mobile experience is poor
« on: November 20, 2021, 11:08:56 PM »
Absolutely. Once you've developed an appropriate theme, please pull request it to our repo as per usual and we'll have a look
Just use the theme that the rest of the forum uses ???

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Suggestions & Concerns / Mobile experience is poor
« on: November 20, 2021, 09:17:22 PM »
In CN.

Ok, I know it's the silly forum with snow, but I make most of my posts in there and I can't do that from my phone because it isn't responsive.

The snow is an old joke now. Can we just fix it?

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: 2022 FIFA World Cup
« on: November 15, 2021, 09:23:33 PM »
Tonight ... San Marino vs England

I predict:      San Marino 0 - 6 England
You meant by half time, obviously.
Obviously. I'm not even watching the second half.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: 2022 FIFA World Cup
« on: November 15, 2021, 02:59:56 PM »
Tonight ... San Marino vs England

I predict:      San Marino 0 - 6 England

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: 2022 FIFA World Cup
« on: November 14, 2021, 09:56:43 PM »
Luxembourg 0 – 3 Republic of Ireland

Maith sibh, a chairde!
Celebrating a win over Luxembourg shows how new you are to football.

Apparently you can just pick someone else to support.
Why would I do that?
I don't know. Rama says borders don't matter. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

This might come as shocking news to you, but England is not the only English-speaking country in the world. The English don't even speak English particularly well, unless you compare them to the Americans.
wut?

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: 2022 FIFA World Cup
« on: November 14, 2021, 09:39:20 PM »
And apparently I miscalculated because Ghana is now going to the World Cup instead of South Africa. Let's hope the Netherlands does well on Tuesday, or I won't have a team to support.
Apparently you can just pick someone else to support.

They have become synonymous with ineptitude and it is made worse by their blindly devoted fan base adoring them
What are we supposed to do? Support France instead? What a silly comparison.

I know you can’t fathom a world where your allegiances aren’t constrained by arbitrary borders, but it’s already out there.
You speak English. You should support England.

I suppose if you can't beat them on the field, all you can do is complain about their fans.
England have played South Africa 19 times. England have won 18 and drawn 1. Beating South Africa isn't a concern. We just don't want to listen to their awful vuvuzelas.



It ruined that world cup. Every game had that buzzing noise all the way through.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: 2022 FIFA World Cup
« on: November 14, 2021, 08:03:03 PM »
Meanwhile, a far more interesting match is about to unfold in just a couple of hours. South Africa is almost guaranteed to qualify for the World Cup, but if Ghana beats them by 2 goals or more, they get to go instead. Grab your biltong and your Windhoek Lager and settle in for a deciding moment!
South Africa need to go out. They are responsible for the vuvuzela. We don't want their fans at any world cup ever with those things.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: 2022 FIFA World Cup
« on: November 14, 2021, 03:51:28 PM »
The Netherlands just threw away a 2 - 0 lead over Montenegro.

For context the last 2 times England played Montenegro (2019) the score lines were
England 7 - 0 Montenegro
and
Montenegro 1 - 5 England.


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