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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Upcoming Solar Eclipse in USA
« on: April 27, 2017, 04:32:45 PM »
The moon disappears when it is near the sun, just like any other planet or celestial body. I don't find anything convenient about it. There is a massive area of the sky near the sun which we know nothing about.

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"The Astronomical Almanac is the direct descendant of the British and American navigational almanacs. The British Nautical Almanac and Astronomical Ephemeris had been published since 1766, and was renamed The Astronomical Ephemeris in 1960. The American Ephemeris and Nautical Almanac had been published since 1852. In 1981 the British and American publications were combined under the title The Astronomical Almanac."

More info is here: http://astro.ukho.gov.uk/nao/publicat/asa.html

Another source is this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newcomb%27s_Tables_of_the_Sun

"Newcomb's Tables were the basis for practically all ephemerides of the Sun published from 1900 through 1983, including the annual almanacs of the U.S. Naval Observatory and the Royal Greenwich Observatory. The tables are seldom used now; since the Astronomical Almanac for 1984 they have been superseded by more accurate numerically-integrated ephemerides developed at Jet Propulsion Laboratory, based on much more accurate observations than were available to Newcomb. Also, the tables did not account for the effects of general relativity which was unknown at the time. Nevertheless, his tabulated values remain accurate to within a few seconds of arc to this day." (emphasis added).

So the calculators have even been improved to become more and more accurate over time based on more recent observations, although the earlier calculations were remarkably correct also.

Nirmala,

Look at the words "Ephemeris" and "ephemerides" in the sources you provided.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephemeris

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Modern ephemerides are often computed electronically from mathematical models of the motion of astronomical objects and the Earth. Even though the calculation of these tables was one of the first applications of mechanical computers, printed ephemerides are still produced, as they are useful when computational devices are not available.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Upcoming Solar Eclipse in USA
« on: April 27, 2017, 03:43:21 AM »
Apparently, some "dark object", blocks the light from both the sun and moon on their respective eclipses, wich only appears during eclipses, for the rest of the time, it remains "invisible" [makes wavy gestures with fingers]

How visible would a celestial object orbiting around the sun and always in the daytime be?

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I was watching some videos made by flat earthers and they made comments about how nuclear weapons and nuclear power are hoaxes.  Is this a commonly held belief among flat earthers or are those people more on the fringe?  The reason why I ask is I was a Submarine Officer in the US Navy (all submarines in the US Navy are Nuclear) for 9 years and I was frequently in charge of the engine room and the reactor.  I am curious how flat earthers could explain how my submarine could remain submerged for months at a time without ventilating if we didn't have a nuclear reactor.  What power system could move a 7,000 ton submarine at 20+ knots without oxygen?  All surface ship propulsion (with exception to Nuclear Aircraft Carriers) requires oxygen to function.  Other countries use batteries or AIP for their submarines but their submarines are much smaller, weight much less, are much slower and can't stay submerged as long.

Nuclear Bombs = Real
Nuclear Power = Real
ICBMs that can get into space and travel half way "around" the world sub-orbitally = Fake

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In Rounder's comment, you are the random stranger. He is saying that anyone who takes your advice is foolish.

Since this thread seems to be getting thousands of views I've added a disclaimer to the OP instructing people to consult a medical professional before exploring a path of self treatment.

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I think it's important not to dissuade people from seeking orthodox medical treatments.

Tom what you are doing is borderline immoral, giving people diet tips is fine but you are doing harm to people of you discourage them for seeking professional help.

Anyone who takes medical advice from a random stranger on the internet has only themselves to blame for their "treatment" outcomes.  Just saying.

It's a good thing I have been citing medical research studies then, isn't it?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: April 26, 2017, 03:31:54 AM »
Of course Trump is doing this to benefit himself. Are we really going to entertain the notion that this might be an altruistic act? He lost the right to the benefit of the doubt when he refused to both release his tax returns and divest from his holdings.

The American people voted him into office to do this, who are all very well aware that it would lower Trump's taxes as well. This is what the voters wanted. Shaming Trump, when he has been candid about lowering taxes from the very beginning, and voted in democratically to enact that plan, is incredibly duplicitous.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: April 26, 2017, 03:15:10 AM »
I didn't criticize Trekky's link. I criticized Trekky, who stated that Trump is going to save a whole lot of money with his plan, as if Trump were doing it for that purpose.

Again, you seem to be jumping to conclusions.  Is the fact that the plan benefits Trump personally in doubt, and if not, what exactly was incorrect about Trekky's comment?

It wasn't a mere statement of fact. Does it appear that we are posting irrelevant statement of facts in this thread? Trump was born on June 14th. Trump has blond hair. Is that what we are doing here?

No, that is not what Trekky is doing. The sentence he wrote implies that Trump sought office for financial gain, which is insulting and ridiculous since he already won that game many years ago. Trekky ignores the fact that he was voted into office to lower taxes because that is that the American people wanted, who were all well aware that it would lower Trump's taxes as well.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: April 26, 2017, 02:52:21 AM »
Trekky is apparently not aware of it, since his implication is that Trump is lowering taxes to benefit himself; when in truth a major part of why people voted him in is because they wanted personal and business taxes lowered.

Can't it both benefit Trump and be something voters wanted?

Sure. Lowering taxes benefits the American people, and Trump is an American person. Building the wall is also something that will benefit both Trump and American people by helping to keep drugs out of the country. Are we going to start seeing accusations saying that Trump is just building the wall so he can live in a country with less drugs?

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Still not seeing where you draw that conclusion.  In fact the article Trekky links to directly states that he's trying to make good on his campaign promises so unless you think Trekky linked an article he didn't actually read I think we can safely assume he knows that it was one of Trump's key promises in the election.

I didn't criticize Trekky's link. I criticized Trekky, who stated that Trump is going to save a whole lot of money with his plan, as if Trump were doing it for that purpose.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: April 26, 2017, 02:25:59 AM »
According to the Wall Street Journal, Trump is planning to cut the top tax rate for owner-operated businesses from 39.6% to 15%, which would dramatically reduce taxes on Trump's real estate empire.

Lowering taxes has been part of the plan since the beginning and a huge part of his campaign. It's a big reason for why many people voted for him. Have you not been paying attention?

I'm having trouble seeing which part of Trekky's post indicates that he wasn't aware of this.  ???

Trekky is apparently not aware of it, since his implication is that Trump is lowering taxes to benefit himself; when in truth a major part of why people voted him in is because they wanted personal and business taxes lowered.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: April 26, 2017, 01:30:11 AM »
According to the Wall Street Journal, Trump is planning to cut the top tax rate for owner-operated businesses from 39.6% to 15%, which would dramatically reduce taxes on Trump's real estate empire.

Lowering taxes has been part of the plan since the beginning and a huge part of his campaign. It's a big reason for why many people voted for him. Have you not been paying attention?

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Planetary Ecliptic
« on: April 25, 2017, 05:06:51 AM »
So what angle is the "dish" tilted at compared to the earth?

The tilt changes throughout the year, and I provided an illustration which shows what angles it tilts between. The apparent angles in the sky it moves between are listed in the left margin:




This "dish" is constantly tilting throughout the year, or rather wobbling, with the sun being a fixed location on that wobbling dish. This means that when the sun is low whatever is on the opposite side of the dish is high, and when the sun is high, whatever is on the opposite night side is low.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Planetary Ecliptic
« on: April 25, 2017, 04:37:18 AM »
Tom, I fully understand the change in the solar ecliptic throughout the year.  I'm looking for an explanation of why then planetary ecliptic declines while the solar ecliptic inclines.

If one side of a dish is tilted downwards, the other side of the dish will be tilted upwards. If the sun is low, the planets seen at night will be high.
You just stated that the "dish" was tilted.  What is the dish you are are referring to in the above quote?

The sun and planets are on the same "dish", or "plane," or whatever you choose to call it.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Planetary Ecliptic
« on: April 25, 2017, 03:45:28 AM »
The gif you supplied is the apparent ecliptic of the sun.  What is the "tilt" of the planetary plane?

The sun and planets are one plane. Please follow along.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Planetary Ecliptic
« on: April 25, 2017, 02:36:55 AM »
Tom, I fully understand the change in the solar ecliptic throughout the year.  I'm looking for an explanation of why then planetary ecliptic declines while the solar ecliptic inclines.

If one side of a dish is tilted downwards, the other side of the dish will be tilted upwards.
By what degree?

The degree varies throughout the year. See the image I posted above. The degrees are listed in the left margin.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Planetary Ecliptic
« on: April 25, 2017, 02:34:24 AM »
Tom, I fully understand the change in the solar ecliptic throughout the year.  I'm looking for an explanation of why then planetary ecliptic declines while the solar ecliptic inclines.

If one side of a dish is tilted downwards, the other side of the dish will be tilted upwards. If the sun is low, the planets seen at night will be high.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Planetary Ecliptic
« on: April 25, 2017, 12:17:24 AM »
By what angle is the planetary plane tilted in the flat earth understanding?

The angle changes throughout the year. The Sun moving along the ecliptic:


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The Sun, moon and earth are also not literally at those distances or those sizes. It's a diagram for illustration purposes. Don't be so obtuse - like most flat earth theorists, you completely ignore the concept of scale.

If you read the rest of this thread you will find that we discussed an illustrated how an accurate scale would affect the scene.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Planetary Ecliptic
« on: April 23, 2017, 10:19:00 PM »
Venus can sometimes be seen in the daytime: http://www.space.com/24667-rare-venus-daytime-sky-views.html

Also Jupiter and maybe Mars: http://earthsky.org/space/10-surprising-things-to-see-in-the-daytime-sky

This site has a video with observations of Mercury, Mars and even Saturn in the daytime: http://sky.velp.info/daystars.php

Those observations are in twilight, and even so, a twilight observation would have a slightly higher (or lower) ecliptic than a midnight observation. The solar plane of the sun and planets is tilted. It is tilted in RET as well, except that it is claimed that the cause is the earth being tilted.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: April 23, 2017, 09:58:03 PM »
Because he is so fragile nowadays that he can't stand to be roasted.

Trump's rallys are actually televised speeches to the american public to communicate his progress and intentions. That seems to me to be a lot more valuable, and a better use of his time, than attending some dinner party.
If he didn't spend nearly every weekend golfing, I might want to believe you. 

Trump spends his weekends working for the country by golfing with world leaders. How hard do you work on your weekends?

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