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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Lord Dave on Today at 02:57:35 PM »

Clintons are "centrist."

What a fucking joke of a take.

Whether they are or not, the weird thing is you seem to be evidencing your position that they aren't by the fact Clinton had an affair with an intern.
"He cant be centrist! He got a blow job in the oval office!".

What the hell are you talking about? How are those two things linked?
Try "He can't be a centrist, he did <insert non-centrist policy he implemented here>"

No no he's right.  Only right wing folk have affairs.  Left are faithful.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by AATW on Today at 02:35:55 PM »

Clintons are "centrist."

What a fucking joke of a take.

Whether they are or not, the weird thing is you seem to be evidencing your position that they aren't by the fact Clinton had an affair with an intern.
"He cant be centrist! He got a blow job in the oval office!".

What the hell are you talking about? How are those two things linked?
Try "He can't be a centrist, he did <insert non-centrist policy he implemented here>"

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Action80 on Today at 10:27:31 AM »

The government is the sole reason why there are policies governing sexual activity within the workplace.

Of course Sadaam is being obstinate.

Clintons are "centrist."

What a fucking joke of a take.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by AATW on Today at 09:54:47 AM »

No, he's talking about the fact that Trump was found liable for sexual abuse rather than rape. We spent several pages discussing this back when the news first broke. According to Tom, the fact that the jury chose not to find Trump liable for rape is a clear repudiation of Carroll's entire story and proof that Trump is entirely innocent; however, the fact that the same jury found Trump liable for sexusl abuse and defamation when he denied the whole thing even happened means nothing at all.

Ah yes. Schrödinger's Jury. Beyond reproach when they find Trump not guilty, irrelevant when they find him guilty.
Cult members gotta cult member I guess.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by honk on Today at 07:51:41 AM »

It's a matter of politics, certainly, but not of policy.

Yes, of course.

There are no government policies regarding sexual conduct in the workplace.

Look, you're just being obstinate at this point. You know what I mean. Clinton's affairs didn't make him any less of a centrist.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Lord Dave on Today at 07:39:22 AM »

It's a matter of politics, certainly, but not of policy.

Yes, of course.

There are no government policies regarding sexual conduct in the workplace.

Between two conscenting adults?  Sometimes but that exists in every business as well so I'm not sure I'd call it a government policy if private sectors do it as well.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Action80 on Today at 07:30:02 AM »

It's a matter of politics, certainly, but not of policy.

Yes, of course.

There are no government policies regarding sexual conduct in the workplace.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by honk on Today at 06:39:42 AM »

No, he's talking about the fact that Trump was found liable for sexual abuse rather than rape. We spent several pages discussing this back when the news first broke. According to Tom, the fact that the jury chose not to find Trump liable for rape is a clear repudiation of Carroll's entire story and proof that Trump is entirely innocent; however, the fact that the same jury found Trump liable for sexusl abuse and defamation when he denied the whole thing even happened means nothing at all.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by AATW on Today at 06:20:45 AM »

Please stop lying. The jury ruled that he didn't rape E. Jean Caroll, and the leftists here were in shambles over it.

Aww, bless. You don’t understand the difference between adjudicated and convicted, do you? Trump is a convicted felon and an adjudicated rapist.

If a jury says someone is not guilty that doesn’t actually mean they’re saying the person didn’t do it. It just means they don’t believe the evidence is good enough to establish beyond reasonable doubt that they did. For good reason there is a high bar for conviction, and rape cases have a notoriously low level of conviction.

But the judge clearly believed Trump did it

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/07/donald-trump-rape-language-e-jean-carroll

That’s the trade off with the high bar for conviction. You don’t want innocent people being locked up but you do end up with a lot of people, like Trump, who are most likely rapists walking free.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Tom Bishop on Today at 03:21:20 AM »

The jury actually ruled that he didn't rape anyone.

Is someone who has an affair logically more or less likely to cut taxes? To pursue foreign intervention? To support gay marriage? It doesn't really make sense.

Remember who you’re talking to.
I’ve literally no idea what Action is talking about. Clinton had an affair with an intern and therefore he’s left wing seems to be the implication.

It’s a “if she floats then she’s made of wood and therefore a witch” level of logic.

Trump has had multiple affairs. He’s been adjudicated to be a rapist. So what does that make him? Is that more or less left wing than Clinton? Just utter nonsense

Please stop lying. The jury ruled that he didn't rape E. Jean Caroll, and the leftists here were in shambles over it.