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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: What is the true map of the earth?

« Last post by Action80 on Today at 12:49:30 PM »

The answer to this question is entirely dependent on the purpose for which it was asked.

No one navigates utilizing a map of the entire earth.

Waypoints utilized for navigation by seafarers and aviators have been transcribed to the flat earth plane utilizing overhead coordinates of matching guiding light points from the celestial sphere above our heads.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: What is the true map of the earth?

« Last post by Tom Bishop on Today at 11:24:14 AM »

"... faster winds in the south ....".  Ah yes, we've been here before. 

There was a link there: https://wiki.tfes.org/Issues_in_Flight_Analysis

I am asking you guys to address the topics in the link, rather than just read and ignore it and pretend that nothing was posted.

Amongst others at the moment, (now, 0912UTC on 2 May 2024) LAN-Chile has 2 Boeing 787 Dreamliners airborne over the South Pacific. 

Reg CC-BGG is operating as LAN801 from Santiago to Auckland, a route planned as about 5300NM.  The aircraft is just under halfway and estimates completing the journey with a flight time of 12 hours, giving an average ground speed of 440 kts. 

Its sister ship, CC-BGH is operating as LAN804 from Melbourne to Santiago, a route planned as about 6200NM.  The aircraft is about halfway and estimates completing the journey with a flight time also of 12 hours, giving an average ground speed of 520 kts. 

Taking the average of the westbound and eastbound flights, 480 kts, would suggest an westerly wind component of 40 kts acting as a headwind hampering LAN801 and assisting LAN804.  Wikipedia lists the cruising speed of a Dreamliner as 488 to 516 kts. 

As the captains of both aircraft would not have departed unless they were sure of the distance and fuel needed, I would suggest that calculating the distance from South America to Australasia has been calculated in considerably less than "20 to 30 years", and that the windspeeds are well understood. 

Those numbers are around the plane's cruise speed. But the plane should not be traveling at a speed around its cruising speed, since we know that on long haul flights planes across the oceans planes use jet streams to reach their location. It would be traveling the plane's cruising speed + jet stream.

Jetstreams even enable supersonic flight for commercial aircraft.

On the flight trackers there have been some interesting anomalies. Jeran shows at the 1h32m mark of the following video about the flight between Auckland and Santiago that True Airspeed can be seen to far exceed ground speed. Over the course of the flight the True Airspeed is either "N/A" or shows quite fast speeds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKKHY72x3ZU

Screen shot:

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: What is the true map of the earth?

« Last post by DuncanDoenitz on Today at 09:12:36 AM »

"... faster winds in the south ....".  Ah yes, we've been here before. 

Amongst others at the moment, (now, 0912UTC on 2 May 2024) LAN-Chile has 2 Boeing 787 Dreamliners airborne over the South Pacific. 

Reg CC-BGG is operating as LAN801 from Santiago to Auckland, a route planned as about 5300NM.  The aircraft is just under halfway and estimates completing the journey with a flight time of 12 hours, giving an average ground speed of 440 kts. 

Its sister ship, CC-BGH is operating as LAN804 from Melbourne to Santiago, a route planned as about 6200NM.  The aircraft is about halfway and estimates completing the journey with a flight time also of 12 hours, giving an average ground speed of 520 kts. 

Taking the average of the westbound and eastbound flights, 480 kts, would suggest an westerly wind component of 40 kts acting as a headwind hampering LAN801 and assisting LAN804.  Wikipedia lists the cruising speed of a Dreamliner as 488 to 516 kts. 

As the captains of both aircraft would not have departed unless they were sure of the distance and fuel needed, I would suggest that calculating the distance from South America to Australasia has been calculated in considerably less than "20 to 30 years", and that the windspeeds are well understood. 

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: What is the true map of the earth?

« Last post by Tom Bishop on Today at 03:22:31 AM »

Rowbotham's original society solved the sinking ship. Lady Blount's society collected the professional surveyor and railway proofs. This specific society's contribution to Flat Earth has been the celestial model and the gravitational model. Progress was made on these subjects because they are things we can see and test. And with that, we have basically been done here with our current constraints. If you ask me what is happening on earth thousands of miles away, there will be less research there. The total world model is a topic for the next generation of FE to figure out.

At the current trajectory I estimate that it will take twenty or thirty more years for the wider Flat Earth community to actually figure out and perform and repeat the necessary tests that check all the boxes.

At the moment among the Monopole supporters there seems to be some division on whether there are faster winds in the south or whether the planes are actually following the straight line Flat Earth Azimuthal path to their destination, as evidenced by emergency landings.

Someday they might figure it out, but it's not going to be anytime soon.

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Flat Earth Investigations / What is the true map of the earth?

« Last post by AnneFrothingslosh on May 01, 2024, 10:58:49 PM »

There are north-centered, bipolar, etc. map models. But what is the real map? What are the pros and cons of each?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Covid-19 vaccine two shots

« Last post by Action80 on May 01, 2024, 03:42:26 PM »

Just why did the CDC lie about deaths caused by the Covid shot?

https://www.theepochtimes.com/article/exclusive-cdc-found-evidence-covid-19-vaccines-caused-deaths-5632265?utm_source=RTNews&src_src=RTNews&utm_campaign=rtbreaking-2024-05-01-1&src_cmp=rtbreaking-2024-05-01-1&utm_medium=email&est=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa%2BcidhsJxcPN%2FrQut3NAH7F5ww0LIzwgbOIBKcVOYUPVwjDotRvn

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by honk on May 01, 2024, 01:23:09 AM »

Very impressive, Trump now has even more paper wealth that he can't realize or use in any meaningful way.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Tom Bishop on May 01, 2024, 12:56:03 AM »

Anyway, so much winning

Correct.

https://www.npr.org/2024/04/30/1244294199/trump-gag-order-hush-money-trial



https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/DJT/




https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-djt-stock-earnout-bonus-truth-social/





https://www.bloomberg.com/billionaires/

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by honk on May 01, 2024, 12:04:10 AM »

I have nothing to say in the face of such a thorough rebuttal. Anyway, so much winning:

https://www.npr.org/2024/04/30/1244294199/trump-gag-order-hush-money-trial

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Rushy on April 24, 2024, 04:17:23 PM »

The fact that Secret Service protection for former presidents is an entirely optional service that the protectee is free to decline is enough to prove that this is wrong, and even if it weren't, a little bit of common sense will quickly point out the flaws in that theory.

Is it optional or is it "optional"?

Do the Secret Service agents monitor their protectee's phone or intercept and read everything they write down?

Yes.

Do they suddenly rush in and get uncomfortably close so they can eavesdrop if their protectee is whispering in someone else's ear?

Whispering is not a valid method of information concealment, so why does it matter?

Their job is to protect VIPs, not to monitor or control them.

That's where you're wrong, kiddo.

Even if Trump were sentenced to "prison" it would likely end up a form of house arrest. Trump isn't going to go to some random state or federal prison...Allowing a rambling old man who knows more national security information than most people into a prison is ridiculous.

I agree, but nevertheless, this would be impossible with the Secret Service in their current form. Legislation would be needed to either strip convicted felons of their Secret Service protection and let another agency handle the imprisonment or expand the Secret Service's functions to include providing custody of such a prisoner. I don't think anyone who matters was ever seriously suggesting we should just fling Trump into the general population of any given prison and let him fend for himself, which is exactly why the cries of "they want Trump murdered!" are so disingenuous.

This is what Action80 is talking about, if anyone's wondering and doesn't want to click his link. There's no one single case against Powell, there's no mention of this case being considered "frivolous," and I don't really think it's all that big of a deal whether or not Powell ends up being "disciplined" by the Texas Bar at all.

The Secret Service monitoring a person to the point that they are effectively a prisoner is already what they do.