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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Size of the Inner Hemiplane
« on: May 17, 2015, 11:06:11 PM »
Think about it. The stick-shadow experiment will only tell you about the circumference of a round earth if it is assumed the earth is a sphere. If it is assumed that the earth is flat the shadow experiment tells you about the area of land the light of the sun affects on a flat earth. We use that shadow experiment to get our diameter.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: What keeps the sun & moon from falling?
« on: May 17, 2015, 06:08:20 PM »
Unknown.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Membership
« on: May 14, 2015, 08:54:01 PM »
What CMS system is the front page of the site using? Maybe we can find a wordpress plugin for it for membership signups.

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Technology & Information / Re: cool fun programming stuff
« on: May 09, 2015, 04:28:02 PM »
Okay, so I downloaded vpython for win32, and pasted the code into the vpython editor, but can't seem to run it. I selected my base python 27 wpython.exe when the program ran. This is what happens when I press F5:


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Technology & Information / Re: cool fun programming stuff
« on: May 09, 2015, 04:06:13 PM »
How do we get the visual module?

PS C:\Users\tbishop\python> python .\spoon.py
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File ".\spoon.py", line 2, in <module>
    from visual import *
ImportError: No module named visual
PS C:\Users\tbishop\python>

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Membership
« on: April 29, 2015, 09:59:10 PM »
I know this is quite obviously not my area of expertise, but perhaps the person who donates more gets higher on this list? I mean, if someone pays $150 to say "you suck", would you care too much?

I see where you're coming from, but I'd be against that. We're not for profit, and I'd hate to be pressuring people to give more

Perhaps we could offer a free membership level, and then offer some membership packages with an increasing amount of swag and perks at higher price points with some built-in profit. It could be like a kickstarter.

What would we do with the money?

It likely won't be a lot of money. We can use it to fund equipment costs for any telescope, laser or high altitude air balloon experiments we want to try through the year. Maybe we can print and pass out educational materials about the flat earth to school children, inciting the media to do a news story over the controversy. There are a lot of things we can do if we had a small equipment and materials income.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Membership
« on: April 29, 2015, 08:26:52 PM »
I know this is quite obviously not my area of expertise, but perhaps the person who donates more gets higher on this list? I mean, if someone pays $150 to say "you suck", would you care too much?

I see where you're coming from, but I'd be against that. We're not for profit, and I'd hate to be pressuring people to give more

Perhaps we could offer a free membership level, and then offer some membership packages with an increasing amount of swag and perks at higher price points with some built-in profit. It could be like a kickstarter.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Membership
« on: April 28, 2015, 08:09:15 PM »
Do we have to have names at all. Can't we have '3402 members and counting'? If we allow people to put in names of any sort we are going to end up with "you are all idiots" and "It's flat morans" etc.

the national trust have members but I can't view their membership list.
https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/membership/

Just because Daniel made a list, doesn't mean we have to follow suit by making ours publically available. Let's just fill membership with as many free perks as possible so you feel like a member. I think that should include a quarterly newsletter/eshot every now and again, but of course it does mean someone has to write one. Could be an issue but would remind people to come back and visit us.

After some thought, I agree. We don't need a list. We can just have a count for now.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: are the sun and moon the same size?
« on: April 25, 2015, 02:44:49 PM »
My point addressed the question of how two things can be the same size. Is there a rebuttal?
No, not really.  You said something about sand dunes reaching some maximum size determined by the wind.  What about all of the smaller sand dunes?

The smaller sand dunes come in various smaller sizes, just like the planets and celestial bodies come in.

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How are sand dunes like the sun and moon?

My example illustrates a simple physical process that can result in entities ending up the same maximum size. Some examples from the previous thread on this topic:

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Air-borne particles. Particulate matter floating in the air can only get so massive before it falls to the ground. The particulate matter in the air can be composed of a vast array of different materials, but only the particulate matter of a certain mass and size can stay airborne. Therefore the largest particulate matter which is airborne for a long period of time is of similar mass and size.

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Rain drops. When drops are formed, they can only become so small else they are whisked and flitted away away into the air and evaporate. They can also only get so large before they break up into multiple drops by air friction. Therefore we have rain drops which can only exist in a narrow size range. The largest of the raindrops are all the same size and the smallest of the rain drops are all the same size.

Examples of forces in nature which compel bodies to be of similar sizes are seen all around us in nature, and is no coincidence.

What has yet to be explained, however, is the incredible coincidence where the sun and moon under RET have a difference in size by over four million times yet appear to be the same size in the sky. 

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: are the sun and moon the same size?
« on: April 25, 2015, 02:12:45 AM »
Is it a coincidence that the biggest sand dunes on the monterey bay are about the same size, just below which can be sustained in the winds in that area?

The real coincidence is how the sun and the moon appear the be the same size in the sky, 0.5 degrees, despite the sun being 400 times as far and millions of times larger.
The OP is asking about the sizes of the FET sun and moon.  The RET sun and moon are irrelevant and off topic.

The FET sun and moon was addressed with my first sentence, of which I have yet to hear a reply.
Are the sun and moon sand dunes on your FE model?  ???

My point addressed the question of how two things can be the same size. Is there a rebuttal?

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Membership
« on: April 24, 2015, 08:56:01 PM »
We can do a zero cost membership with an option to get the physical products mailed for a fee. I dont see any problem with that.

For the public roster, users should at least have to make their user name public. I don't like the long list of 'Anonymous' members on the other site. Can we compromise on public user names?

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Membership
« on: April 24, 2015, 06:43:16 PM »
I say that membership should cost some small amount of money, and a member will receive:

- 1 Official Membership Card
- 1 Printed letter officiating them into the society
- 1 Certificate of Membership
- 1 Cardboard Certificate Holder
- Access to the Zetetic Council Forums with voting privileges
- Name will go onto a public roster. But no anonymous option. Flat Earthers should not be ashamed of who they are.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: are the sun and moon the same size?
« on: April 24, 2015, 02:56:30 PM »
Is it a coincidence that the biggest sand dunes on the monterey bay are about the same size, just below which can be sustained in the winds in that area?

The real coincidence is how the sun and the moon appear the be the same size in the sky, 0.5 degrees, despite the sun being 400 times as far and millions of times larger.
The OP is asking about the sizes of the FET sun and moon.  The RET sun and moon are irrelevant and off topic.

The FET sun and moon was addressed with my first sentence, of which I have yet to hear a reply.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: are the sun and moon the same size?
« on: April 24, 2015, 04:59:55 AM »
Is it a coincidence that the biggest sand dunes on the monterey bay are about the same size, just below which can be sustained in the winds in that area?

The only coincidence is how the sun and the moon appear the be the same size in the sky, 0.5 degrees, despite the sun being 400 times as far and millions of times larger.

but I thought they both were really like 30 miles wide

Not under RET they arent.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: are the sun and moon the same size?
« on: April 24, 2015, 04:27:05 AM »
Is it a coincidence that the biggest sand dunes on the monterey bay are about the same size, just below which can be sustained in the winds in that area?

The real coincidence is how the sun and the moon appear the be the same size in the sky, 0.5 degrees, despite the sun being 400 times as far and millions of times larger.

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Actually, no, it was not a felony to be informally an "MD" in England at the time. Many people were called "MD" simply because they practiced informally. It was considered a "Gentleman's Profession" that one could "learn by doing". Modern concepts of medical school were only just then being developed. In fact, many doctors didn't even charge fees, but took unobtrusive "donations" for their services. I recommend any good history book of the medical profession. Evidently you need some education.

No, JROA, I am not. There are no emigration records of him leaving. And he was very much a public figure. He was the leader of a commune, and then he was parading around the country bilking people of their money trying to get them to believe the world was flat. There was no time for him to have ever been able to get a PhD in America, which wasn't offered until the 1860's, and there is no evidence he spoke German to get one there, which was the only other country that offered one at the time.

Really? You think that the practice of medicine was informal in the late 1800's? Anyone could perform surgeries, deliver babies, prescribe powerful drugs, perform lobotomies, and start hacking and slashing away into whomever they pleased? Medicine has been regulated by governments since the first day people looked around and thought of something to regulate. Even the Ancient Greeks regulated their doctors.

You are claiming that Rowbotham got away with claiming himself a doctor for all of his career, despite being constantly in the public light. That is simply ridiculous.

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I'm pretty sure it was a felony to represent yourself as a doctor if you were in fact not one. SBR was very much in the public spotlight with his movement. The idea that he got away with pretending to be a doctor and running a medical practice for over 35 years is laughable.

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The workshop is different. Only a few people have the necessary knowledge or honed debating experience to write a chapter of a Flat Earth book. Everyone has the ability to make suggestions for what they would like to see for the society and vote on it.

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The Ayes have it. Membership will be opened and the current Zetetic Council will be abolished and reorganized.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Reasons for believing the Earth is round
« on: April 18, 2015, 05:04:35 PM »
http://wiki.tfes.org/Occam%27s_Razor

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Occam's Razor asks us which explanation makes the least number of assumptions. The explanation which makes the least number of assumptions is the simplest explanation. Occam's Razor works in favor of the Flat Earth Theory. Several examples exist below.

What's the simplest explanation; that my experience of existing upon a plane wherever I go and whatever I do is a massive illusion, that my eyes are constantly deceiving me and that I am actually looking at the enormous sphere of the earth spinning through space at tens of thousands of miles an hour, whirling in perpetual epicycles around the universe; or is the simplest explanation that my eyes are not playing tricks on me and that the earth is exactly as it appears?

What's the simplest explanation; that NASA has successfully designed and invented never before seen rocket technologies from scratch which can accelerate 100 tons of matter straight up at 7 miles per second, and that NASA can do the impossible on a daily basis, explore the solar system, and constantly wow the nation by landing a man on the moon and sending robots to mars; or is the simplest explanation that they really can't do all of that stuff?

When I walk off the edge of a three foot drop off and go into free fall while observing the surface of the earth carefully the earth appears to accelerate up towards me. What's the simplest explanation; that there exists hypothetical undiscovered Graviton particles emanating from the earth which accelerates my body towards the surface through unexplained quantum effects; or is the simplest explanation that this mysterious highly theoretical mechanism does not exist and the earth has just accelerated upwards towards me exactly as I've observed?

What's the simplest explanation; that when I look up and see the sun slowly move across the sky over the course of the day, that the globe earth is spinning at over a thousand miles per hour - faster than the speed of sound at the equator - despite me being unable able to feel this centripetal acceleration, or is the simplest explanation that the sun itself is just moving across the sky exactly as I have observed?

What's the simplest explanation; that the sun, moon, and stars are enormous bodies of unimaginable mass, size, and distances which represent frontiers to a vast and infinite unknowable universe teeming with alien worlds, black holes, quasars and nebulae, and phenomena only conceivable in science fiction; or is the simplest explanation that the universe isn't so large or unknown and when we look up at the stars we are just looking at small points of light in the sky exactly they appear to be?

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