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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Circumnavigation World Record Sailing Discrepancies

« Last post by Action80 on Today at 05:41:51 AM »

"...something that is not the Ice Ring and where the boat would not sail anyway ...".

Well this is bizarre.  Southern extent of the world's oceans, but not the Ice Ring?  And "not where she would sail"; did you scroll around?  The Earth's entire oceans are on the page, and I believe she sailed on an Earth-ocean.

I looked at your map. The only winds not traveling in the same easterly direction are those eddys forming close to land she wasn't sailing in those areas.

It is bizarre to provide your source as some kind of counter.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Tom Bishop on Today at 04:47:08 AM »

The Oklahoma school system responded and defended their requirements:

https://thehill.com/homenews/education/4916077-oklahoma-trump-bibles-schools-ryan-walters/

Oklahoma defends Bibles-in-schools proposal after report that only Trump’s might qualify
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“We are excited to bring back the Bible in its essential historical and literary context to Oklahoma classrooms. Superintendent Walters has committed the agency to an open and transparent RFP process, consistent with the norms for state procurement, that will be adequate to meet the needs of Oklahoma classrooms. There are hundreds of Bible publishers and we expect a robust competition for this proposal,” the spokesperson said.

They are saying that they are giving other Bible publishers a chance. I'm betting that other publishers can beat $60 for this unique project to bring Biblical study back into the school system under the context of American and constitutional history.

It is no longer the 1800's where custom stamped templates are created for every page of a book. It is not a labor intensive process to copy paste some freely available content into a word processor for book creation and get it printed. Books can be created on-demand now. It's more of a medium than a product. This situation is basically comparable to a school wanting a website which contains freely available versions of the Constitution and the Bible, with you guys here trying to convince me that only Trump can make such a website.

You would be better off arguing from the separation of church and state angle than this anti-competitive argument.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Circumnavigation World Record Sailing Discrepancies

« Last post by RonJ on Today at 02:38:55 AM »

The most pertinent thing here is what was the estimated sailing distance for the trips around Antartica?  In order to qualify for a record, the trips must be above the 60th Southern parallel.  This opens the door for some serious discrepancies between the flat earth model and the round earth one.  On the (verified) round earth model the distance between all longitude lines decreases the further you go either to the North or to the South of the equator.  The flat earth model appears to have increasing distances between the longitude lines South of the equator.  This would result in a big, estimated distance discrepancy for the trip around Antartica.  A trip around Antartica on the flat earth model would have to be a whole lot longer than on the round earth model.  To make a trip in a specific time would require a lot higher speed on the flat earth model than on the round earth one.  That's the basic discrepancy on this thread. 


Keep in mind that the trip by Lisa Blair was a single handed one.  That makes a big difference.  There has to be time for her to sleep so her sailboat would have to have the sails hauled in and a sea anchor put out to allow for some hours of sleep.  There were plenty of ice bergs to navigate around and lots of ice forming on the mast and sails to make things more difficult. Some of the other sail boats that made the same trip had multiple crew members allowing some to safely sleep while others were on watch.  This means they could be traveling ahead 24 hours a day for the whole trip.     

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Lord Dave on October 05, 2024, 11:50:47 PM »

A Bible that includes the US Pledge of Allegiance and the US Constitution is pretty much a 1950's-era conservative meme. This is likely why the Bible that Trump endorsed was created in the first place. Neither Trump or the Bible printing company originated the concept of merging US Constitution studies and Bible studies - that is an old 1950's Americana thing.

The claims that this requirement is anti-competitive are weak, even if Trump is the only person currently selling that Bible and gave schools the idea for the concept. None of it is copyrighted, and none of it is original. For it to be anti-competitive would have to play dumb and pretend that this is hard to obtain or create, or that no publishing companies have ever produced special prints for schools, which is false.

If someone who is eligible to make a bid wants to create that meme Bible, they can throw it together and order prints within a day with various online services. Any major publishing house has the resources to bid for the requirements easily. The God Bless the USA Bible that Trump endorsed is also $60. If someone can beat that price in a government bid, they get the contract.

Except thats not how it works.
I've done the whole bidding process.

So first you get a list of approved suppliers from the state.  This is done annually or bi-annually and doesn't change much. 

The suppliers have pre-agreed upon prices for items.  This is a contract and can't be changed.

If no approved suppliers has the item you need on their lists, you are allowed to find one who does.  And lo and behold... They did.

A publisher can't simply go "we'll make you one to order" as that won't be on the list.

It's VERY possible that the mandate was made after the list was published and the publishing company Trump uses added his bible to the contract list.  Which makes it the default winner.  But I'd need to see timelines.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« Last post by Tom Bishop on October 05, 2024, 11:20:38 PM »

A Bible that includes the US Pledge of Allegiance and the US Constitution is pretty much a 1950's-era conservative meme. This is likely why the Bible that Trump endorsed was created in the first place. Neither Trump or the Bible printing company originated the concept of merging US Constitution studies and Bible studies - that is an old 1950's Americana thing.

The claims that this requirement is anti-competitive are weak, even if Trump is the only person currently selling that Bible and gave schools the idea for the concept. None of it is copyrighted, and none of it is original. For it to be anti-competitive we would have to play dumb and pretend that this is hard to obtain or create, or that no publishing companies have ever produced special prints for schools, which is false.

If someone who is eligible to make a bid wants to create that meme Bible, they can throw it together and order prints within a day with various online services. Any major publishing house has the resources to bid for the requirements easily. The God Bless the USA Bible that Trump endorsed is also $60. If someone can beat that price in a government bid, they get the contract.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Circumnavigation World Record Sailing Discrepancies

« Last post by DuncanDoenitz on October 05, 2024, 04:21:49 PM »

"...something that is not the Ice Ring and where the boat would not sail anyway ...".

Well this is bizarre.  Southern extent of the world's oceans, but not the Ice Ring?  And "not where she would sail"; did you scroll around?  The Earth's entire oceans are on the page, and I believe she sailed on an Earth-ocean. 

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Circumnavigation World Record Sailing Discrepancies

« Last post by Action80 on October 05, 2024, 02:02:51 PM »

Winds on the inside of the ice ring always travel the same way.

That is simply incorrect. 
 
https://www.windy.com/?-74.235,-66.562,3

You show a picture of some eddy winds around something that is not the Ice Ring and where the boat would not sail anyway and you claim I am incorrect?

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Circumnavigation World Record Sailing Discrepancies

« Last post by DuncanDoenitz on October 04, 2024, 10:28:03 PM »

I don't think we need to start writing letters to the editor yet, but we can perhaps clarify something, and put a bit of meat on the bone.

Yes, the record for global circumnavigation is 41 days, but as Longtitube suggested earlier, that was in a multihull vessel.  The record for a single-handed monohull is actually 74 days (Armel le Cleach, 2016-17 Vendee Globe).  Still faster than Lisa, but 41 days/74 days illustrates the variables involved.  (Bit of a stretch to suggest that we are claiming it's a "bad boat" btw).  And go back to 2001, same race, the record stood at 93 days.  I guess the moral is (like all things), keep plugging away, get a faster boat, the records fall. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Around_the_world_sailing_record#

Speaking of which, of course, a Round-the-World record is really the Blue Riband event; boats and sponsors are tripping over themselves to break records and pick up the kudos.  On thre other hand, refer back to the Sail-World article in the OP and we find that Lisa is actually only the 3rd person to ever perform the Antarctic journey.  Not bad, for a tree-hugger. 

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Circumnavigation World Record Sailing Discrepancies

« Last post by Tom Bishop on October 04, 2024, 09:42:45 PM »

We know that hundreds of people are trying to beat world records, and there are even yearly races around Antarctica (which we are often pointed to, but the details are rarely discussed). This represents the best boat, so your arguments are pretty invalid.

Most of also know that many world records, including circumnavigation records, have any number of categories based on the particular type of craft and crew size, so context matters.  Picking one record and saying that the rest don't matter is nothing more than cherry picking.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Around_the_world_sailing_record

Lisa Blair holds the generic record for fastest circumnavigation of Antarctica by sailboat.

If you are sure that there is a category where sailing boats have sailed around it in a faster time then I would suggest finding it and then contacting Guinness World Records to inform them that they are incorrect about Lisa Blair holding the record for fastest circumnavigation by sailboat.

Come on guys. Now we are accusing Guinness World Records of being incorrect about the records. How about a response with something more than "NoOoO it could be this!"

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: Circumnavigation World Record Sailing Discrepancies

« Last post by markjo on October 04, 2024, 09:08:02 PM »

We know that hundreds of people are trying to beat world records, and there are even yearly races around Antarctica (which we are often pointed to, but the details are rarely discussed). This represents the best boat, so your arguments are pretty invalid.

Most of also know that many world records, including circumnavigation records, have any number of categories based on the particular type of craft and crew size, so context matters.  Picking one record and saying that the rest don't matter is nothing more than cherry picking.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Around_the_world_sailing_record