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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Conspiracy Theory of Space Travel being a Hoax
« Last post by BillO on February 26, 2024, 11:27:04 PM »
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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Conspiracy Theory of Space Travel being a Hoax
« Last post by BillO on February 26, 2024, 11:18:56 PM »
I'm not trying to prove anything, other than the fallacy of Action80's claim that today's routes are essentially the same as when celestial navigation was used.

I agree 100% with your concept of modern air-routes generally being more direct, but you'll likely be looking at oceanic examples to get your point over.
Non-stop flights are great circle routes regardless of being over land or water.  That's what's shown in that directflights image.  There are route calculators out there and I used one to verify that fact.  However they do not produce single addressable images.


Glad you're feeling better btw.
Thanks.
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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Conspiracy Theory of Space Travel being a Hoax
« Last post by DuncanDoenitz on February 26, 2024, 07:19:25 PM »
Need to play Devil's advocate here BillO; the proof is not in this particular pudding. 

The reason for the 1920s/30s routing was, as you say, to accommodate the relatively short range of the aircraft involved (and incidentally goes some way to explaining the current hodge-podge of middle-east politics, as the British Empire ran roughshod over emirates and sheikhdoms in order to provide an air-route to British southern Africa and to India). 

Your Directflights map is not an air-route at all, its a travel agent's illustration of a hypothetical link between the 2 cities, in the same way that the London Underground Map joins Waterloo to Paddington.  Its not a navigational map.  If you look at a tracking site like Flightradar24 you'll find that the normal route is typically Balkans, eastern Med, Egypt, northern Red Sea, Ethiopea, Kenya, Tanzania, and all well to the east of a Great Circle.  The reason for this is to related to common sense as well as insurance requirements; most aviation insurance excludes flight over war-zones, rogue-states and specifically some countries such as North Korea, Libya, Yemen.  Hence, very similar to Imperial Airways, in fact, but in hours rather than days, and not a pith-helmet in sight. 

I agree 100% with your concept of modern air-routes generally being more direct, but you'll likely be looking at oceanic examples to get your point over.  Glad you're feeling better btw. 
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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Conspiracy Theory of Space Travel being a Hoax
« Last post by BillO on February 26, 2024, 04:27:11 PM »
If the routes are different, I would expect you to post evidence of that. You didn't. As a matter of fact, however, the example you provided with Lindbergh is very much "essentially," the same as those taken today.

I'm finally felling better and have a minute or two.

Below is a map for air routes in the 1930s when celestial navigation was used.  As I said before, zigzagging to maximize time over land and minimize the hop distance since those planes had poor range.



Here is a modern day route from London to Johannesburg.  Not very much like to old route, is it?


The only similarities between modern routes and the old routes is that to fly to SOME destinations to the south, east, west or north, you head kind of south, east, west or north respectively.

Also, key factor, celestial navigation does not and cannot work on a flat earth.  https://arxiv.org/pdf/2206.07491.pdf
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Flat Earth Theory / Re: The Conspiracy Theory of Space Travel being a Hoax
« Last post by Tom Bishop on February 26, 2024, 12:22:58 AM »
Where is this evidence that "Ships always disappear below the horizon, distant landmarks are always partially obscured. And here's the point, they always disappear bottom first."? I don't see that you have provided any evidence at all. These are just statements.

Also, the type of curve that this effect is making may not be compatible with creating noticeable obscuration of something near the surface at 23 miles. Most of the examples of variable light curvature of a closer distance. As I have stated, I could either see the other shore or I could not. If light is bending it would need to be bent in a special and precise way to half-obscure a distant 23 mile landmass.
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Science & Alternative Science / Re: New Report on WTC 7
« Last post by Action80 on February 25, 2024, 11:13:22 AM »
The video concerns his report, so I am the one sticking to the video. You are the one who is not. You are the one introducing wild conspiratorial conjecture which will no longer be tolerated.

He didn't say that explosives were not used to bring the building down because the report he released points to the evidence released by FEMA.


It appears that what was said in the Angry Ranting section turns out to be correct... that I am debating our lowest tier debate poster and a large rock while sadly losing an uphill battle against conspiracy theory circular logic.

You have my permission to have the last word.
You've got nothing except to keep pushing the actual conspiracy theory then.

Good to know.
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Science & Alternative Science / Re: New Report on WTC 7
« Last post by Tom Bishop on February 25, 2024, 01:15:52 AM »
Is there any evidence against controlled demolition that isn't a form of denial and excuse-making?

You have the coincidence explanation that it just looks like a controlled demolition. What else is there?
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: The Love of Money
« Last post by Lord Dave on February 24, 2024, 07:54:10 PM »
But see that old man?  Its clear that having all that money means he has no kids and will die alone.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: The Love of Money
« Last post by Rushy on February 24, 2024, 03:20:04 PM »
Did you know at the end of your life you can give your collected money to your children? The more you know!
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / The Love of Money
« Last post by BlessedHope on February 24, 2024, 09:37:01 AM »
Keep your life free from love of money and be content with what you have. If we have food and clothing, with these we should be content. We brought nothing into the world, and we cannot take anything out of the world. Better is the little that the righteous has than the abundance of many wicked. For the arms of the wicked shall be broken, but the LORD upholds the righteous.

Those who desire to be rich fall into temptation, into a snare, into many senseless and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the Christian faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.

Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourself treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.